LHC avoids ruling on Davis immunity

Published: March 15, 2011

LHC questions foreign ministry's stance and says it is not being clear on the matter. PHOTO: AFP/FILE

LAHORE: 

The Lahore High Court (LHC) ruled on Monday that the matter of immunity for US citizen Raymond Davis will be decided by the trial court, and disposed of all petitions challenging his diplomatic status in Pakistan.

When the government replied vaguely on the issue, LHC Chief Justice Ijaz Ahmed Chaudhry silenced petitioners’ lawyers — who created pandemonium after hearing unclear replies submitted by the foreign ministry, — by observing that since the Davis trial was in progress, the trial court should be allowed to “adjudicate on this matter”.

Questioning the government counsel if his side had submitted any letter establishing his diplomatic status, the chief justice said that if the foreign ministry did not issue any letter for the diplomatic status of the accused, why should the court insist on submitting such a certificate?

The court has already put the accused’s name on exit control list to stop him from going abroad.

As according to the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations of 1963 and Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations of 1961, the federal government is supposed to issue a certificate to prove diplomatic immunity of any foreigner.

On Monday, the federal government did not produce any such certificate.

However, in response to court queries, the ministry of foreign affairs wrote back: “Raymond Davis is a US citizen and he was given a visa on the request of the US government. Davis came to Pakistan on official business visa and the US embassy notified his name to the foreign ministry as Raymond Allen Davis. No efforts are being made by the foreign minister to alter the record (to favour the accused). The US embassy had approached the foreign ministry on January 27 with the request to release Mr Davis and hand over him to US consulate-general, Lahore, as he was holding a diplomatic passport. The foreign ministry is not interfering in…any investigation.”

Interestingly, all replies submitted by the foreign ministry were signed by Khalil Ahmed Bajwa, the deputy chief of protocol, ministry of foreign affairs’ camp office in Lahore. None of the replies contain answers to questions raised by the high court:

The foreign ministry, through Deputy Attorney-General Naveed Inayat Malik, simply reproduced the questions asked by the LHC.

Some analysts are of the view that no one, including the federal government and the judiciary, appears to be ready to take the responsibility for making clear decisions on key issues like diplomatic immunity.

The court was hearing identical petitions filed by Asif Hussain Shah, Ahmad Masood Gujar Advocate, Barrister Muhammad Javed Iqbal Jafree, advocate Rana Ilumddin Ghazi, who had challenged the diplomatic immunity status and opposed handing over Raymond Davis to the US.

However, the court issued a notice to the federal government for March 29 in a petition filed by Muhammad Azhar Siddique, a lawyer, who has challenged the Vienna conventions, terming them to be “against the Constitution of Pakistan”.

However, the petitioner’s counsel Barrister Jaffree submitted that it was important to establish “correct identity of the accused” because if he was not who he said he was, then he could be prosecuted under the law.

Commenting upon the decision, Jafree said that the trial court already had declared that accused Davis had no immunity therefore, the same court could not adjudicate on the same point. He said Davis could file an appeal for his immunity before the Lahore High Court.

Another lawyer, Muhammad Azhar Siddique, contended that the government was obliged to submit a certificate under Section 4 of Privileges Act of 1972 to ascertain whether Davis was a diplomat or not. He alleged that the government was just “wasting the court’s time by filing incomplete replies”.

Published in The Express Tribune, March 15th, 2011.

Reader Comments (60)

  • kumar
    Mar 14, 2011 - 12:31PM

    If the vienna convention is not being given proper observance and effect by the Paki govt,why should any country maintain diplomatic relations with it? Best to withdraw all diplomats,expel pakistani diplomats and maintain relations indirectly through a third country such as saudi Arabia or even China.Recommend

  • Eeman
    Mar 14, 2011 - 12:43PM

    If he had diplomatic passport, he’s desensitized automatically. Though, for “grave crimes” he can be tried in courts of Pakistan — which will be an ultimate wish of our Army and extremely disturbing for America. Ultimately, America will win.
    End of story.
    Recommend

  • Asmat Jamal
    Mar 14, 2011 - 12:48PM

    @kumar:
    If wishes were horses India would have been flying on the seventh sky!!!Recommend

  • Mar 14, 2011 - 12:50PM

    Diplomats never roam about with a huge cache of spying gadgets, state-of-the-art weaponry, and top espionage equipment like GPS devices, Satellite phones and drone chips. Since the US embassy applied for a non–diplomatic visa for Raymond Davis at the Pakistani FO, once again the issue of diplomatic immunity remains out of question (Dunya News, Kharri Baat by Mubasherr Luqman).

    Only the CIA hires contactors from so-called security firms like Black Water (now known as Xe Services LLC) DynCorp and others for its expeditious operations in other countries and even inside the US. According to Chomsky, their missions include espionage, sabotage, unfolding chaos, and anarchy, abduction and kidnapping for blackmailing and ransom, killing and targeting high value and high profile figures, triggering unrest (including economic and strategically planned situations), bomb blasts and spying on governments and institutions. These are only few missions and objectives, which have been mentioned here. Apart from these, contactors of this kind have a very wide spectrum of activities, and they are most highly paid, and that’s why the CIA has to raise drug money from places like South America and Afghanistan to fund their filthy game.

    Shocking and chilling revelations have been made by the Raymond’s GPS device, mobile phone and wireless phone. Data retrieved by Pakistan’s premier intelligence agency (the ISI) has revealed that Raymond Davis has links with Pakistani-based terrorist organizations and has been roaming in the South Waziristan Agency. He has entered the area no less than a dozen times. His links with TTP and other terrorist faction leaders have been a tremendous discovery, and this is further confirmed by Gen Kiyani’s statement that Americans have infiltrated the Talban ranks in the guise of Taliban fighters. In this connection, it is important to note that more than 80% of CIA assets working inside Pakistan are local people such as retired security officials, businessman, journalists, and common people.

    More on: http://totallyfreepress.wordpress.com/Recommend

  • Basit
    Mar 14, 2011 - 12:51PM

    @kumar:
    You think can can do it…
    I only say that try to do it. Even YOU India can not do it, forget about America.

    Secondly, that guy killed people and he should be trialed, first go and read Vienna Convention and then come here to comment, it is clearly mentioned there that even if a dimplomat has immunity he can be trialed for grave crimes. Moreover, he doesnt enjoy the diplomatic immunity. With all the efforts and pressure of America, it is still not able to produce the documents… why???? because he is NOT having any immunity, simple.

    Now ponder over it before commenting :)Recommend

  • Fayyaz Haider
    Mar 14, 2011 - 1:04PM

    Mr. kumar our courts are independent. Why are you so frustrated. The person belongs to USA and not to India. if you have any clearance of the subject person regarding his immunity please produce it in our courts through a counsel. These courts are Pakistani not indian, hence independent.Recommend

  • Faisal Awan
    Mar 14, 2011 - 1:11PM

    @ Kumar

    First Vienna convention don’t give any blanket immunity to cold blooded murder. Second, what international Law allows drone attacks.

    America is not abiding by international laws when it comes to Pakistan, now Pakistan will act, what is beneficial to it. Recommend

  • KAKA
    Mar 14, 2011 - 1:43PM

    @Kumar, let India discontinue relations with Pakistan first!.It seems India have too much idle time at hand!
    BTW, Paki is not an appropriate word to use. You should know better .Recommend

  • Khalid Rahim
    Mar 14, 2011 - 2:02PM

    Perhaps it is time for US to behave like a real soldier and face adversity with a smile. America
    as the world’s strongest state must act in the manner as her founding fathers wished by not exploiting the weaker nations and impart justice even if her own vested interest was under dark
    clouds. America is now far greater follower of zionist philosophy of subjugating weaker nations through perfidious means. Since Camelot has failed to give cover to Xe knight then let him face
    the peers of justice and if he can pull the sword from the stone? He can return to his castle. Recommend

  • Amer
    Mar 14, 2011 - 2:03PM

    People like Kumar only come to these sites to spew hatred for Pakistan. They hate Pakistan as much as any terrorist blowing up in a crowded market! Recommend

  • Mohammad
    Mar 14, 2011 - 2:16PM

    It may be pointed out here that Diplomatic passport alone does not grant anyone to “diplomatic immunity”. The type of visa issued, proper registration at the Foreign Office of the host country, along with issuance of the related “diplomatic/special” card, can only ensure the proper accorded status and type of “immunity” enjoyed by the foreign diplomat/operative.Recommend

  • Faraz
    Mar 14, 2011 - 2:19PM

    @kumar … hope you enjoyed India and South Africa match Recommend

  • J Oberoi
    Mar 14, 2011 - 2:24PM

    @Faisal Awan:
    The drone attacks are going on due to a secret agreement with the US during the Musharraf regime. I don’t think the US will rest until Davis is free. Aisa na ho ki lene ke dene pad jaye. Panga barabar waalon se li jaati hai.Recommend

  • hunter
    Mar 14, 2011 - 2:31PM

    @kumar:
    believe me Pakistani people will be very glad for such American step, at least Pakistani govt. will learn some lesson about standing on its own feet.Recommend

  • Amer
    Mar 14, 2011 - 2:50PM

    @Kumar: How does it feel when everyone on this site is spitting on you? LOL Recommend

  • Roflcopter
    Mar 14, 2011 - 3:00PM

    Just hang him and get it over with.Recommend

  • Mulla Toofhan
    Mar 14, 2011 - 3:06PM

    Which ever agencies of Pakistan are involved in this case maybe tightening the noose around their own neck. Never have an American diplomat(?). ever been convicted and sentenced by Pakistan. Pakistan is sailing in uncharted waters and may not be aware of consequences of its action. There are hundreds of foreign agencies ready to oblige the American. If the terrorist are supported by these contractors then you can imagine what Pakistan is up against.Recommend

  • Amer
    Mar 14, 2011 - 3:14PM

    @Mulla Toofhan: You must be a Mushy advocate! One of the ones who try to spew non-sense all the time. Recommend

  • Omar
    Mar 14, 2011 - 4:32PM

    To all international law experts – please make my day and find the section in Vienna convention regarding “grave crimes”. Maybe you should first read original text before making any comments. Or maybe you just don’t understand difference between Vienna convention on diplomatic relations and Vienna convention on consular relations. By the way Vienna Conventions on Dip. Relations does give blanket immunity – that is why our diplomats were not arrested when committed crimes as well. Have a good day. Recommend

  • Mar 14, 2011 - 4:48PM

    Remain vague and prosper?Recommend

  • Mulla Toofhan
    Mar 14, 2011 - 5:04PM

    @ Amer
    Is that all you have to say. Get your head out of the sand. Wake up and smell the coffee.Recommend

  • Lala
    Mar 14, 2011 - 5:28PM

    @Mulla Toofhan: There you go again with the non-sense my friend! What rubbish! Recommend

  • Nadeem Ahmed
    Mar 14, 2011 - 6:19PM

    The so called spy tools found in Davis car are very ordinary. These days every driver needs GPS, Maps, Cell Phones etc. and if you are in a country like Pakistan, which is one of the most dangerous country in the world, you need state of the art weapons and other tools to defend yourself. Living in Pakistan and travelling around is like sailing close to Somalian waters, where everyone looks like a pirate. Davis is alive today, because he took no chance and killed those robbers before they were able to shoot at him.Recommend

  • Babloo
    Mar 14, 2011 - 6:48PM

    The Davids episode will help clarify the true character of Pakistan to USA. Truth is always good. My position has been that Pakistan has conned USA well over past 60 years and USA too has been a willing fool. Maybe the fool will learn a lesson.Recommend

  • Basit
    Mar 14, 2011 - 6:54PM

    @Nadeem Ahmed:
    Mr Nadeem,

    Do you live in Pakistan?

    I can be able to comment you only after getting an answer from you.Recommend

  • Bangash
    Mar 14, 2011 - 7:13PM

    Govt and courts just passing the buck to each other. Why pick a fight with US if you don’t have the stomach for it ?

    Raymond Davis is protected by Vienna Conventions and should be set free.Recommend

  • Waqar
    Mar 14, 2011 - 7:50PM

    @ Nadeem Ahmed….

    Who says Pakistan is the most dangerous country in the world…. baised western media..? unless you live in FATA where there are just a handful of ” loose raymond davis” running around having fun at the cost of innocent Pakistanis…!
    And if you happen to live in the West where everything sounds like is so “honky dorey”
    unless you have to stop at the ATM to withdraw some money in case of any emergency…
    would you still suggest your friends to carry weapons and a GPS…just in case anyone tries to kill you….?Recommend

  • Aamer
    Mar 14, 2011 - 7:53PM

    @Nadeem,

    Its not difficult to understand the state of paranoia you are in, and although millions of pakistani’s commute to their work everyday, I can tell you one thing for sure. For paranoid people like yourself, government offers guards and security, specially if you’re a foreigner.

    I know you’re too proud a liberal to understandRecommend

  • Aamer
    Mar 14, 2011 - 8:03PM

    @Mulla Toofhan

    So your basic view point is that we should just crank ourselves in a tight corner, scared of what will happen if we bring a man to justice.

    No wonder Musharraf found support, there are many who would lay on their backs on a simple phone call.Recommend

  • Uzair Javaid
    Mar 14, 2011 - 9:33PM

    Kumar is amongst the clan of hyenas who would come up on and around the hunt of others, where they have no business but would yet do their best to snatch away a meatball =D
    I mean literally do you and your men have any business here? You are advocating what everybody in the world now knows was murder and espionage. Try not to poke your nose in every matter where you later get bashed badly in every single post.

    Its better that never return to this website. This is a platform to discuss not just degrade Pakistan. So better back off and do what you are best at in your countryRecommend

  • Mulla Toofhan
    Mar 14, 2011 - 10:47PM

    @Aamer,

    I just hope that Pakistanis realize that they may have to pay a price that they may not be able to afford,
    Not that you are wrong in asking for justice but at what cost. Its a sensitive issue for lots of pakistani and emotions may run high but what if the justice you are seeking is not followed through. Let’s wait and see the courts judgment and what punishment is given if any. By the way I don’t know how Musharraf or any other ruled/s Pakistan because I am not under their jurisdiction.Recommend

  • Nadeem Ahmed
    Mar 14, 2011 - 11:35PM

    Waqar and Aamer, Please don’t close your eyes like pigions. Pakistan is most dangerous country in the world. Those people who live in guarded houses, travel in bullet proof cars, their streets are gated and security guards are posted outside their bedrooms and above all their bills are paid by someone else, will never accept the fact. More than half of Pakistan has absolutely no government writ. For those people who are living in Islands of peace, FATA, KP, Baluchistan, two thirds of Karachi, Rural Sindh and Southern Punjab are not in Pakistan. Wake up guys, islands of peace are shrinking fast.Recommend

  • Uzair Javaid
    Mar 15, 2011 - 12:04AM

    @J Oberoi: You are wrong. Their helicopter violated Pakistani air space and fired at a check post held by the Paramilitary force there. Pakistan suspended all the routes to Afghanistan where NATO and US’s supplies move. They were literally chocked and apologized accordingly. So its not that a US operative (spy) is beyond law. He would be held accountable soon. Recommend

  • Nadeem Ahmed
    Mar 15, 2011 - 12:07AM

    Basit dear, I am an ordinary Pakistani, I live in FATA, KP, Karachi, Quetta, Rural Baluchistan, Rural Sindh, Southern Punjab, Swat, Northern Pakistan. Why your judgment about me would be different, if I am from a different area.Recommend

  • Waqar
    Mar 15, 2011 - 1:27AM

    @ Nadeem Ahmed….

    No.. we’ll keep our eyes open like owls…trust me on that my friend….

    …but how many of us travel in bullet proof cars, how many of us live in guarded forts with huge stone walls and bullet proof windows and of course no body pays nobody’s bills….
    everyone pays from their own pocket….it’s not easy to persuade someone to pay your bills….of course unless you are a pretty sexy girl…..

    Pakistan is our country…. so who is going to change it….? if we all Pakistanis don’t take the responsibility and try to put everything on each other then….Let’s not listen to a handful of thugs in the government who ride in bullet proof cars and live in those stone walled guarded houses carrying dual nationalities….because those are the ones who are dividing us Pakistanis on the basis of color, language, ethnicity and race….but they can never win….InshallahRecommend

  • Aamer
    Mar 15, 2011 - 1:39AM

    Well Nadeem, your advice is appreciated but i would request you to atleast read with your eyes opened.

    I have already mentioned, Pakistan is the most dangerous for the paranoid(heck you’ve been to Afg. or Iraq?), and thats why they have security guards, just as you said. If Davis was so scared being a CIA officer:

    1)He shouldn’t have joined CIA in the first place
    2)He should’ve kept an extra guard

    Secondly, its not that Davis was out to make Pakistan a much more peaceful place to be with his glock. Recommend

  • Cherish Raj
    Mar 15, 2011 - 1:58AM

    Raymond Davis was on Pakistani soil to keep an eye on Lashkar e Toiba, the pet of the ISI. The ISI uses LeT to terrorize India but now the organization has started to emerge out of ISI’s shadows to organize attacks in Western countries in addition to India. The ISI was worried about Davis trailing behind its favorite strategic asset and decided to eliminate Davis and the whole operation turned out to be a mess. The Pakistani security establishment and the right wing judiciary is trying to finish off Davis to reaffirm its backing of the LeT honchos. The whole truth behind this Lollywood drama was brought to light by the New York Times.Recommend

  • Malik Nasir
    Mar 15, 2011 - 2:16AM

    @kumar … hope you enjoyed India and South Africa match…
    I think Kumar will never post on any such controversial issue again and he should be Hanged on the same place where he comited the crime !Recommend

  • Kakapataka
    Mar 15, 2011 - 3:53AM

    @ Nadeem Ahmed: Dude, your spellings, punctuation and composition are all terrible. Please go back to Kennedy High in Trenton, NJ.Recommend

  • Midnight Drummer
    Mar 15, 2011 - 3:53AM

    @Omar:
    International Expert, here you go:

    CIA main may not have immunity.Recommend

  • Kakapataka
    Mar 15, 2011 - 3:54AM

    @kumar: Abhi ishq kai imtaha aur bhi hain!Recommend

  • F Robinson
    Mar 15, 2011 - 3:56AM

    Time has come for Pakistan to release US diplomat kept hostage.
    If this is not done then consideration should be given to cut generous US aid and UN section be placed on Pakistan for violating International law.Recommend

  • Blithe
    Mar 15, 2011 - 4:55AM

    @kumar:
    Sad to see that Indians have made an occupation
    of coming on this website and talking utter rot
    against Pakistan, regardless of the merits/ demerits.

    It is a ‘little man syndrome’ on India’s part to be behaving like this.

    If any diplomats need to resign en mass ,
    it should be Indians. India, after all, has brutally/ inhumanely occupied
    Kashmir in violation of UN Resilutions.Recommend

  • Mohammad Ali Siddiqui
    Mar 15, 2011 - 9:34AM

    Issuing a Diplomatic Passport for the purpose of espionage does not mean that Raymond Davis has automatically come under diplomatic immunity.

    There are uncounted US under cover agents who have been issued Diplomatic Passports but there actual jobs are to create intelligence net work in collaboration with such guys who work against the interest of state.

    Irrespective of the outcome of the Court, Raymond Davis case will leave behind a lesson for government of Pakistan not to trust to any foreigner, no matter if he or she is an American National or representing some other country.

    Look how rigorously US Government is following up the case of Raymond Davis so save his life and take him back to US but on the contrary Pakistani Government does not protect its own people in foreign countries.

    Uncounted Pakistanis are languishing in jails for foreign countries on petty matters, but our Government has turned a blind eye and never approach the foreign governments to et them release from jails and bring them back to Pakistan.

    The core reason behind this is that our Government is a beggar Government, whereas US and other foreign governments are the donors governments. And Beggars cannot dictate their terms and become Masters. Recommend

  • Ali
    Mar 15, 2011 - 9:59AM

    Public affiliations on this matter aside , The silience of fedral govt and Min of foriegn affairs attitude towards this totally baffles us . Nobody wants to come forward with the documentated status of the this cow boy. I feel very sorry that the govt is playing a dirty game here and just want to buy time on this.

    The LHC is also playing back scratching game here with no clear end in sight for this matter.Recommend

  • Anoop
    Mar 15, 2011 - 10:53AM

    Lets skip the whole Court business on the Pakistani side.

    The Pakistani courts will convict him on some idiotic argument. The US will take the issue to International Court, where the real trial will begin and evidences presented in its truest forms.

    The Pakistani Courts will play to the galleries, like every institution in Pakistan does, including the Military and Civlian leadership, but the International Courts will work on the principle of Justice and Evidence. I am sure that the US will have come up with all the evidence necessary and will force the Pakistani government to present a weak defence, resulting in his release.

    That is how I look at it, but there is only one thing that you can be sure of in Pakistan- Its unpredictable. All your predictions go down the drain.Recommend

  • Faisal Awan
    Mar 15, 2011 - 11:43AM

    @ F Robinson

    I think, its time for Pakistan to charge 10 billion Dollars to America for the free of cost route they are getting to Afghanistan(after all they are damaging our road network and causing security problems).
    Further Pakistan should give its security agencies right to kill any american seen on sensitive areas(after all Pakistani Taliban are using american weapons and getting sensitive informations)
    Recommend

  • IZ
    Mar 15, 2011 - 11:48AM

    Its a hot potato no one wants to take responsibility for. Sad.Recommend

  • Basit
    Mar 15, 2011 - 1:46PM

    @Nadeem Ahmed:

    I asked you because I was wondering either you not living in Pakistan or you live in only some war torn area.

    Ok, tell me that, how many countries you have travelled which made you realize that Pakistan is the most dangerous country?
    Ever been to Somalia, any african country? or Sri lanka, or India? or even in Europe, who are very good in torturing people if you are somehow in their way?

    Well, I accept that now our society is breaking into peices, but just realize the reason, we are self afraid people, and its natural that afraid people are more dangerous.

    anyways, I can give you my words that Pakistan is not dangerous, remove the blinds of media from your eyes and keep working for the good of Pakistan and Pakistanis.Recommend

  • Neeraj, India
    Mar 15, 2011 - 9:55PM

    What about the Pakistani mercenaries working in Bahrain’s security apparatus who killed, maimed and tortured hundreds of Bahraini protesters? Now Baharini revolution is on and the local people are lynching, stabbing and hunting for Pakistani expatriates.
    Pakistanis are the most hated people in Bahrain today.
    You pakistanis always act like victims of this or that and never want to see what you have done to others.
    http://tribune.com.pk/story/132418/pakistani-murdered-in-bahrain/ Recommend

  • Daffy Dil
    Mar 16, 2011 - 12:43AM

    @Neeraj, India:
    Pakistanis are the most hated people in Bahrain today.
    and Indians are the most hated people in Australia.Recommend

  • Nadeem Ahmed
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:41AM

    Aamer, Kakapataka, Basit and Waqar, Your comments have convinced me. You were right and I was wrong. These minor incidents of suicide bombings, blasts, destruction of schools and businesses, killings, robberies and other crimes are a normal thing. So what, if we have lost half of the country to terrorists and seperatists. Still we have other half, which is very safe and developing. Why to bother, instead I should focus on English composition, spellings and punctuations. Recommend

  • Basit
    Mar 16, 2011 - 3:19PM

    @Nadeem Ahmed:

    Dear Mr. Nadeem,

    Your taunts… I can only laugh at them because thats what many people find easy to do.

    The only thing I want to say that crying and shouting the way you are doing will not bring any good to you neither to Pakistan… I never said that there are not problems, but I said that you are over exaggerating them…

    I just wish that somehow people get sincere to their land and gets motivation to do some good for that. we will see a change. If we will remain apathetic then it will be disaster dude.

    Dont be a crying baby or passimist. Say that yes we can make things good and we have to. Bring changes only in your own circle. Your one achievement can motivate thousands, and this is how societies develop.

    I hope you understand now. and try to find out the realities, try to visit Swat, Khaber Pakhtunkhwa, Baluchistan, talk to the people who are living there, only they can tell you the real stories,,, not CNN or GEO.Recommend

  • Neeraj, India
    Mar 16, 2011 - 5:17PM

    Daffy Dil,
    Then, go and distribute mithai, but don’t do it in Australia, they may take you for an Indian and you will end up with a bruised eye and broken nose.Recommend

  • Basit
    Mar 16, 2011 - 6:52PM

    @Neeraj, India:

    Well Neeraj, I will not disagree to you, but I want to clear a little here, that the Pakistanis are recruited for the security in Bahrain because of Saudis…

    I can not say these poor people totally wrong… but our government should keep an eye that what they are doing infact. It makes us bad in the eyes of Bahrain people.

    Also its Bahrain, who is taking Pakistanis away and then they are made to do whatever they order.

    but dont generlaize things, please.

    ThanksRecommend

  • Neeraj, India
    Mar 16, 2011 - 11:23PM

    @Basit,
    //Pakistanis are recruited for the security in Bahrain because of Saudis…//
    Frankly buddy, I have no Idea what are you trying to imply. How come that Pakistani govt. or establishment allowing its citizens to be enrolled in the security forces of an another country. This is very serious issue. No govt. worth its salt would ever allow this to happen.
    I am not generalizing at all, on the contrary, I have been specific on pointing at this phenomenon. You Pakistanis are outraged at a foreign national roaming in your country with arms (rightly so) and even ended up, killing your fellow citizens, which is unacceptable, I am with you on this. But, what about your own citizens who, with a total approval from your govt., doing the same thing to the innocent, unarmed citizens of another country, who merely and justifiably asking for their basic democratic rights.
    Don’t you think this is a double standards? Particularly when you cry hoarse at American meddling in your country, but stay silent when the same thing is done by your own government?Recommend

  • Basit
    Mar 17, 2011 - 2:32PM

    @Neeraj, India:
    com’on man,

    I told you its not the Pakistani who are doing bad to Bahrainis. and to your question Pakistanis are responsible for few private security. Just like the Royal family of saudis are having private pakistani security.

    you can not make responsible the Pakistanis for those few men who are forced to do this filthy job and ofcourse they are not killing there, they are supposed for provide security. But I can understand, that even this can bring hatered in the hearts of Bahrainis.

    Tell me any incident where Pakistani killed any Bahraini?
    I totally disagree to your comment:
    what about your own citizens who, with a total approval from your govt., doing the same thing to the innocent, unarmed citizens of another country, who merely and justifiably asking for their basic democratic rights.

    Give me any proof , any incident…

    To your last comment, remember, I can give you my words that Pakistan can only have stakes or you can say influence in Afghanistan other than that, every country is invovled in pakistan issues from USA, UAE, Saudis, China, Iran…

    How can you say that Pakistan is responisble for anything related to Bahrain? I really dont understand that.Recommend

  • Neeraj, India
    Mar 17, 2011 - 8:04PM

    Basit,
    Here are the links. Don’t forget to read the comments that follow the first link. Particularly, go through a comment made by a Pakistani expatriate living in Bahrain donning a name javed,.
    http://tribune.com.pk/story/132418/pakistani-murdered-in-bahrain
    http://tribune.com.pk/story/133492/meddling-in-bahrains-internal-affairs/Recommend

  • Basit
    Mar 17, 2011 - 8:39PM

    @Neeraj, India:
    Hey,
    man, I know there were problems in Zia regime. No one disagree to that. But what I said tell me where any Pakistani killed in Bahrain.

    Dont give me the article of guys like that. Show me the news. I can show you thousand of articles rediculing Indian Army, USA Army, may be I can myself write one as well :)

    Ok I read the comments as well.. its sad.. but rather he is saying that they are being killed. I donno man what you want to prove.

    May be i will read it again.Recommend

  • Neeraj, India
    Mar 17, 2011 - 10:01PM

    @Basit,
    Mr. Basit, you are not that innocent as you are pretending to be. What are mercenaries are recruited for, why was Raymond was recruited for? Obviously, to kill, maim and torture. Bahrain despots are not recruiting Pakistani mercenaries to work for mother Terressa.
    Are they? Recommend

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