After Davis’ arrest, US operatives leaving Pakistan

Published: February 28, 2011

The foreign ministry states that there are 851 Americans with diplomatic immunity currently in Pakistan, of whom 297 are not working in a diplomatic capacity. PHOTO: FILE

LAHORE: At least 30 suspected covert American operatives have suspended their activities in Pakistan and 12 have already left the country, according to sources familiar with the matter.

In the aftermath of the shootings in Lahore on January 27 by suspected CIA operative Raymond Davis, intelligence agencies in Pakistan began scrutinising records of the Americans living in Pakistan and discovered several discrepancies, causing many suspected American operatives to maintain a low profile and others to leave the country altogether.

The foreign ministry states that there are 851 Americans with diplomatic immunity currently in Pakistan, of whom 297 are not working in a diplomatic capacity. However, sources at the interior ministry put the number of non-diplomats at 414. The majority of these ‘special Americans’ (as the ministry refers to them) are concentrated in Islamabad, with some also residing in Karachi, Lahore and Peshawar. Interior ministry records show that most of the “special Americans” live in upscale neighbourhoods in Islamabad and Lahore, with smaller presences in Karachi and Peshawar.

Most of the ‘special Americans’ are suspected of being operatives of US  intelligence agencies who are on covert missions in Pakistan, reporting to the US Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC), according to sources familiar with the situation.

Counter-intelligence agencies in Pakistan have long suspected a covert US espionage presence in Pakistan. The first internal investigation into suspicious activities by American citizens in the country was conducted in March 2009, which revealed some significant gaps in the implementation of laws concerning foreign citizens.

Under the Foreigners Act of 1946, foreign citizens are not allowed to live in cantonment areas anywhere in the country. Yet the majority of the suspected American intelligence operatives in Lahore are reportedly living in the Officers’/Generals’ Colony on Sarwar Road and Cavalry Ground in the Lahore Cantonment.

Several senior retired army officers – ranging in rank from brigadier to lieutenant general – have rented out their homes to American citizens at rates astronomically higher than the rents of similar homes in the area. The presence of these Americans came to light when several serving and retired Army officers who lived in the neighbourhood reported suspicious activity, including unauthorised foreigners living in cantonment areas.

Foreign citizens in Pakistan have to obtain a no-objection certificate (NOC) from security agencies before they can rent a residence. This process is meant to ensure that they are not living in prohibited areas. But somehow American citizens were able to get NOCs issued to live in cantonment areas in violation of the law.

Sources say that the intelligence agencies’ reports state that many of the Americans living in these residences are assumed to be US Special Forces – including members of the covert Delta Force of the United States Army – and therefore are considered armed and dangerous.

The report further claims that the late US special representative for Pakistan and Afghanistan, Richard Holbrooke, had visited one of the covert American teams in Lahore, at a residence on Sarwar Road owned by a retired army general.

Published in The Express Tribune, February 28th, 2011.

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Reader Comments (89)

  • Feb 28, 2011 - 9:01AM

    Wow, now if only 2 million illegal Afghans could also leave because of daring ISI then Pakistan’s problems will be solved.Recommend

  • Haris Farooq
    Feb 28, 2011 - 9:02AM

    Only one positive outcome of this sorry incident. Lets hope for more positive and less negative outcomes for Pakistan. Recommend

  • Fareedi
    Feb 28, 2011 - 9:30AM

    We have to learn to live as a nation with dignity, only then the rest of the world shall treat us with dignity, respect and honor.
    Return to basics. This is not our culture and ethics. The subcontinent had its own identity. Return to your culture and basics!Recommend

  • Feb 28, 2011 - 9:53AM

    Several senior retired army officers – ranging in rank from brigadier to lieutenant general – have rented out their homes to American citizens at rates astronomically higher than the rents of similar homes in the area. The presence of these Americans came to light when several serving and retired Army officers who lived in the neighbourhood reported suspicious activity, including unauthorised foreigners living in cantonment areas.Recommend

  • Fazal Gafur
    Feb 28, 2011 - 9:59AM

    Well! i’m reading all news paper these days exactly for the USA presence in Pakistan and have read huge amount of reports on the ISI and CIA.

    What I found is that our intelligence agencies are either slow or helpless as our retired Generals and may be on job army staff are involved as well.
    I’m expecting a lot from ISI & MI & media expecting a very quick action before its too late.
    I’m doubtless that USA is not our friend and can never be as we look at the history.
    Generally we forget history very quickly and some may not.

    I would request ISI MI and Media to please highlight these issues and we need a quick action as an ordinary citizens and i’m sure you all can do it.

    i’m expecting very matured Media reports and would love to read some originally from our local media instead of mentioning UK and US Media.

    I want Pakistan Growing all around instead of becoming red zone for every one.
    I love Pakistan and please please please save it. Recommend

  • Faisal Awan
    Feb 28, 2011 - 10:07AM

    Now every thing is becoming crystal clear, Thanks to Raymond Davis; ISI is clearing the mess Americans put in Pakistan, either in shape of Drone attacks or unexplainable suicide bombings on mosques and shrines.

    Since the arrest of Raymond Davis, there has been not a single attach in Lahore, Karachi or Islamabad. The only major incidence during the period is the killing of Col. Imam (ISI officer who created Afghanistan Taliban) by TTP. Which clearly distinguish TTP from Afghanistan Taliban and this killing was a message to ISI that TTP will act to save Raymond Davis Recommend

  • SK
    Feb 28, 2011 - 10:10AM

    this story should clarify it to every Pakistani about selfishness of so called Generals and Brigadiers who have been renting their homes to foreigners despite knowing very well about the country’s situations and prevalent laws- as they say Pakistanis will sell their mothers for money so these so called defenders of Pakistan are selling it for their own vested interests Recommend

  • RizwanTKhan
    Feb 28, 2011 - 10:20AM

    This should be a non-stop operation. US agencies operatives dont leave that easily so our govt and other agencies should not take this matter lightly.Recommend

  • Feb 28, 2011 - 11:09AM

    This is the eye opening for all of us..Recommend

  • Khalid Rahim
    Feb 28, 2011 - 11:14AM

    When Pakistan was created the only feudal landlords were those who had received titles from
    the Emperors of Delhi or the State Maharajas before the Viceroys decided to give charitable gifts to their proteges. In course of time when Ayub Khan brought his Industrial revolution and land reforms, good many of the newly created 22 families also benefit through the land reforms
    and joined the feudal club. But this irked the top brass of the Army and they too wanted to be
    members of the Club. As today they seem to exceed the original members of the feudal club!
    This parting of the tenants from these houses will not effect the purses of the landlords for the present as annual rents have been claimed. Would they persuade the present chief to bring back the ” special tenants” so that their livery does not suffer?
    With every passing day we fail to comprehend the futility of our myopic vision.
    Unless we change that and learn to accept our faults without prejudice.
    We will remain no better then hyenas- khalid rahim.Recommend

  • Ahmed Khan
    Feb 28, 2011 - 11:31AM

    Well fed, Mr. Kharal. But, by disclosing all this, you have always to take care of our own country’s interests. Pakistan is very much right in saying that we are Allies not Satellite, so we should be given the equal status in the War on Terror.Recommend

  • Feb 28, 2011 - 12:09PM

    They won’t go away taht easily. Recommend

  • Mukhalif
    Feb 28, 2011 - 12:21PM

    Hope the relationship is not too badly damaged. Pakistan still needs the aid money that the US provides. Our all-weather friend – China, will not spare a paisa. They will try to sell their inferior products to Pakistan instead. Recommend

  • salman
    Feb 28, 2011 - 12:49PM

    amerikans have to answer one question, are they with us or against us? if they are with us, then they need to prove it, as words do not matter these days, words are all lies. If they are with us, then why these espionage networks and connections with thugs, terrorists, bandits and TTP agents? if they are against us then there the question of relationship is gone, then all the staff needs to pack their bags..Recommend

  • Hamesh Khan
    Feb 28, 2011 - 1:03PM

    Every American Should be scan before interning Pakistan. Like they did with us in america they never be our friends and we do not wanna them to be friends. Recommend

  • Abdul Rauf Hashmi
    Feb 28, 2011 - 1:10PM

    Who is Spying on Whom?
    Let there be end to the era of special protocol for US spying network in Pakistan. The Government of Pakistan must investigate all those responsible for the flaws in the visa issuance process and reprimand them on their act. The broad criterion should be that, our personal relations and personal gains should not govern the national interests of Pakistan. The sovereignty, integrity and national pride of Pakistan should be kept in the forefront, while developing our relationship across the national frontiers. Recommend

  • bunny
    Feb 28, 2011 - 1:15PM

    Waoo…I have a questions to all of these generals and brgadiers who have rented out thier houses…Mr… Army personals when u with ur asian face speak any dubious word or act dubious in any foreiegn country…People are very open in telling to their security officials to make thier work wasy….DOnt u think u should report it…u r army personal….dont u have anydoubts about the living of such forigeners…Did u ask about thier visas and thier work in pakistan…never bcoz u would be getting hell of monay….waooo….please wake up nowwwRecommend

  • Karim Khan
    Feb 28, 2011 - 1:18PM

    The most interesting part of this report is: “But somehow American citizens were able to get NOCs issued to live in cantonment areas in violation of the law.” Somhow huh?Recommend

  • bunny
    Feb 28, 2011 - 1:18PM

    Guess what our gpvernment gonna do against it…..they will say them be coolll…..let the dust settle…let the people beocme cool…then gp further with ur operationRecommend

  • Ahmer Ali
    Feb 28, 2011 - 1:19PM

    Assalam-o-Allaikum Warahmatullah.Leaving American operatives is a good sign and US operatives must do so because interference by US officials in Raymond Davis’ case has been too much.And our leaders must honor and respect the nation’s sentiments Raymond Davis’ and other critical issues related to Pakistan’s and its nation’s internal and external concerns as the other advanced countries’ leaders do when they face any important issues related to internal and external concerns to protect their nations from any threat,menace and danger.Recommend

  • yacoub ansari
    Feb 28, 2011 - 2:02PM

    americans were just helping us to get rid of militants they r not our enemies if they were then y were they ones to help us with the most aid during the floods. my pakistani friends please don’t play into the hands of terrorists and extremists of this countryRecommend

  • Khalid Rahim
    Feb 28, 2011 - 2:13PM

    @Aamir Ali: Are these two million Afghans living in Karachi? And if you want them out! ask your divine mentor to return from London and address your grievances from here.Recommend

  • H. Zaidi
    Feb 28, 2011 - 2:50PM

    Army generals renting out their homes in Cantonment areas to suspicious foreigners in contravention of the Army Act, Americans without diplomatic status enjoying diplmatic immunity. Such wonderful phenomena are a logical result of Musharraf’s policies, and those of his successsors in power. It took a foreign agent to commit a stupid mistake in broad dayight on a crowded Lahore street to bring these things out into the open, in full public knowledge. The ruling elite were never uncomfortable with these facts. Let us hope they are now, after the general public, the media and the independent judiciary made it impossible for them to put such matters under wraps and quietly smuggle the offender abroad to the safety of his home! Recommend

  • Philip
    Feb 28, 2011 - 3:13PM

    @Salman Sir, As an American who studies Pakistan carefully I can tell you we are against you. I agree we should pack our bags and make it quick. ISI said Raymond Davis “crossed red lines.” No kidding. Our cooperation is completely micromanaged by Kayani and Pasha. We try and work around this, to uncover the sinister aspect of cooperation between the terrorists and ISI. I warned this two weeks ago: The US and nearly all foreign diplomats will pack up and call it quits. And we will all cut off your aid. All of it. It will become a virtual state of war, as if it is not already. Your people need to understand what Musharraf, Kayani and Pasha have done for you. They set you up for total failure through their arrogance and their serious game of harboring Osama and Zawahiri in Dir. You are exporters of terrorism and you are very good at it. And you are absolute masters at English doublespeak. Everything you say can be taken two ways; therefore there is no meaning. I for one do not trust you one inch. I advocate war. I’m serious. I am surprised by the timing of this. I can already see Kayani and Pasha drawing up the No-exit list. You better be fast, because we are out of there. Recommend

  • Salman
    Feb 28, 2011 - 3:24PM

    Pakistani agencies should set-up a hotline and promote it on all media channels and billboards to inform any suspicious activity by these thugs. If they are roaming around where they are not suppose to be should be reported. Thats the fastest way to rid of all anti-pakistan elements from the motherland. Recommend

  • Noble Tufail
    Feb 28, 2011 - 3:33PM

    America is great country and certianly has much better things to offer to rest of the world than sending these bacterias. God has blessed America with great human values, research,education etc. they should share the good things for great outcomes. a simple message for thier “think tanks”Recommend

  • Feb 28, 2011 - 3:37PM

    What a joke!

    Yet the majority of the suspected American intelligence operatives in Lahore are reportedly living in the Officers’/Generals’ Colony on Sarwar Road and Cavalry Ground in the Lahore Cantonment.Recommend

  • gupshup
    Feb 28, 2011 - 4:08PM

    so what this means, our own army and people from the interior ministery who give NOC to live in unpohibited areas were all involved in the last couple of years killing and blasting, they have their share in these blooding acciendetn, shame for those poeple who subrented the houses illegelly and issues NOCs , these people should be brought to justice and should be trailed in the courts. and again we showed, ham paisy kilyii kuch bhi karleety hay,,,Recommend

  • hina
    Feb 28, 2011 - 4:13PM

    Mr Philips your theatening attitude is something the whole world has got used to. What a blatant lie. America has always cretad havoc wherever she went, South America/Nicaragua?, Vietnam?, Iraq?, the list is endless and now Pakistan. I mean there is so much to say against your governments that this is not the right forum to express it in. You can never be the friends of the Muslim world but yourself and your like. In fact it has become a tiring effort now to say the same thing again and again. As you cannot trust us we cannot trust you and a wise decision would be to cut off from us and not to worry we will survive because survival is in Allah’s hand not in the hands of USA. Thank you very much.Recommend

  • Ashraf R
    Feb 28, 2011 - 4:16PM

    We will have to wait and see what the long-term effect of this sudden exodus is. I am sure, the attitude of the US will change towards Pakistan. They never forget any humiliation and right now, Pakistan needs all the help it can get. I am not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing.Recommend

  • bunny
    Feb 28, 2011 - 4:26PM

    Hello Mr Tight Dhoti….. Guys I found one thing interesting that someone is living in our land wihtout papers and illeagally…like few Pakistaniz live abroad and always their governments pin point our peoples…see how important we are…we need to clean it….Recommend

  • goggi
    Feb 28, 2011 - 4:45PM

    @Fareedi: Mr Fareedi can you name me one single politician who can address the nation in 100% Urdu or other local languages of our country. Not using English words is a sign of Analphabetism. The cultural identity begins with the usage of language/s of the particular country. . . . . . I WAS STANDING IN ONE-AND-A-HALFY, AN EAR-PALMA CAME AND WENT INTO THE PEACOCKY!” ? Now decode this oxford english and ask your friends as well, such is the standard of our so-called Pakistani intellectuals.Recommend

  • maitre
    Feb 28, 2011 - 4:54PM

    It’s not suuficient. Take the houses of these brigadiers and generals who had rented their houses for money in such sensitive residential locations. Their attitude shows they are money greedy and their lust for money can put at stake country’s sovereignty. I believe that all these Americans should be sent packing home for they are on a covert mission to create chaos in the nuclear deterrent country.Recommend

  • sri
    Feb 28, 2011 - 4:58PM

    Wow. ISI and Army are going to bankrupt Pakistan with their approach on Davis.
    Davis is too small a pawn to play hardball with. America will now show Pakistan its true colors.
    How Pakistan is going to fund its budget is to be seen.Recommend

  • Faisal Awan
    Feb 28, 2011 - 5:28PM

    @ sri

    the total expected budget deficit of Pakistan after worst floods in century in only 6.5%, but the budget deficit of USA,UK,Ireland,Greece, Spain and others is more than 10%. The total grant from USA only 1% of Pakistan GDP and 4% of budget. Recommend

  • Aamir
    Feb 28, 2011 - 5:55PM

    Marriage of CIA and ISI is in trouble these days. If we eliminate American agents from Baluchistan where they are concentrating to dismantle Pakistan, our beloved province will be peaceful again. I am sure ISI will be concentrating on Baluchistan now which is riping to cripple Pakistan.Recommend

  • Roflcopter
    Feb 28, 2011 - 6:08PM

    ISI should track every single American agent and shoot them on sight to prevent further loss of Pakistani lives by these American terrorists.Recommend

  • khan
    Feb 28, 2011 - 6:11PM

    According to ‘announced’ news the government ‘clandestinely’ issued visas to US nationals without having their credentials vetted by our valiant security agencies. However, when most of these visas came up for renewal they had to be vetted once again by these very same agencies and were renewed. So the question is why the sudden pretended innocence and outrage.

    It is time these people stopped playing games, and more importantly stopped trying to fool us. Recommend

  • Roflcopter
    Feb 28, 2011 - 6:16PM

    @Philip, stop barking mate. US is the real terrorist and they have proven to be a bunch of lying, backstabbing animals. You support terrorists yourself then blame on others. What a joke. CIA operations in Pakistan have been exposed and you can no longer come up with lame arguments against Pakistan.Recommend

  • Jerry
    Feb 28, 2011 - 6:22PM

    @Faisal Awan:
    haha “Unexplained Mosque attacks” A Muslim could never do that. It has to be from the outside.

    Pak attitudes like this are why your country is in trouble. Pakistan has always been a conspiracy laden blame game country.

    The bronze age religion they all cling to the stupifies the masses and doesn’t help much either.Recommend

  • Jerry
    Feb 28, 2011 - 6:24PM

    @sri:
    Pakistan has no one to blame now…………..
    time for Pak media to make up a new and creative conspiracy.Recommend

  • Jerry
    Feb 28, 2011 - 6:25PM

    @Roflcopter:
    Yes because the americans are doing all the suicide bombs…….stupid.Recommend

  • Feb 28, 2011 - 6:42PM

    ‘Khas kum jahan pak’ – less cia operatives in pakistan, less problems for pakistan.Recommend

  • Amna
    Feb 28, 2011 - 7:31PM

    “But somehow American citizens were able to get NOCs issued to live in cantonment areas in violation of the law.”

    At the end of the day, we come to the conclusion that no one would be able to abuse Pakistan unless we allow it.Recommend

  • Roflcopter
    Feb 28, 2011 - 8:40PM

    Jerry is probably a mad little indian :)Recommend

  • Rameez
    Feb 28, 2011 - 9:01PM

    Musharraf’s mistake was to allow filthy Americans enter Pakistan and present government and the military general are making the same mistake by letting them stay.
    All suicide attacks started after these Americans were allowed to carry out operations in Pakistan and these terrorist attack will not stop until these Americans are made to leave.Recommend

  • Khan
    Feb 28, 2011 - 10:48PM

    Mr. Philips, mind your words please. You or your country are not giving any ‘aid’ per se to Pakistan. It is simple business. Your war on terrorism has destroyed our economy, peace, security and on top of it national integrity.

    It is simple business. You are paying for the services and logistical support we are providing you. Its not your ‘grants’ we need. We are trading with you with you getting more profits loss incurred by us.Recommend

  • goggi
    Feb 28, 2011 - 10:57PM

    @sri:
    Mister the name Pakistan is a name of a movement against the oppression which took it`s political form in 1947. I have the feeling that you madrasis are not even clear who actually the people of Pakistan are? Our land was the doorway for all the conquerors who came from the north and we the people of this Indus culture, with which you Indians attach your identity, have seen in our history more blood then your whole population of south. We are a nation of warriors and I take it as a compliment, when such a powerful and large country as your´s claim, that we started all the three or four wars. Our national Poet Allama Iqbal sahib wrote:
    “jhapatna palatana, palat kar jhapatna; Lahu garm rakhne ka hai ik bahana”…..
    The destiny of Pakistan is in the hand of Almighty Rab-ul-Alameen and not in the hand of such mass murderers as those in the USA. We have proved that death is for us, the followers of Holy Quran and Prophet Muhammad PBUH no deterrence! The more you try to suppress us the more we shall retaliate! And I am a proud Lahori!Recommend

  • sri
    Feb 28, 2011 - 11:46PM

    This CIA agent is no diplomat.
    a clear article on why davis does not have immunity http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/feb/28/cia-agent-diplomat-pakistan-raymond-davisRecommend

  • goggi
    Mar 1, 2011 - 12:19AM

    @Philip:
    “America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilisation in between.” – Oscar Wilde…….do you remember with your great American pride the “little boy” and “fat man”? Just the mere labels for those barbaric, inhuman and unthinkable operations are so disgusting decadent and I feel all the living beings on our planet vomiting on your nation. My dear country people, these operations were the atom bombings on Hiroshima and Nagasaki from these cultureless horde of barbarians known as the USA. A Sikh friend of mine has a PhD in the “History of Blacks in the USA” and according to him white Americans are born criminals. Till today you people are tirelessly involved in creating and fighting wars, just for your sick weapon and oil mafia which in vain is trying to capture the control on the whole earth. The day is now not far, when all your country people will be confined in reserves as you did with the indigenous Red Indians.And by the way, what shall happen of these more then 100,000 American mercenaries fighting for money in Afghanistan? The only lifeline for them is through Pakistan, or you plan to get their grub and booze through The Islamic republic of Iran? Recommend

  • G.Khan
    Mar 1, 2011 - 2:27AM

    @Khan , Hina, Roflcopter
    There is no need to call him Mr. That’s an insult of the word “Mr.”. This guy Phillips is a Hindu terrorist in Guise of American. I am an expert on hunting such RSS Hindu Nazi terrorists. Proof is that a Guy named “Jerry” which Roflcopter, spotted very well is definately an Other Hindu terrorist who came to the help of So called “Phillips”. These both are the Rss Hindu right wing Terrorists and Facists. They are trying to fool people under such Guise. Coward Hinud will always show up under such guises. So next time be careful. See you all soon.Recommend

  • Nadeem Ahmed
    Mar 1, 2011 - 2:38AM

    Pakistan is a hub of terrorists and one of the most dangerous countries in the world. During last few years almost all successful or unsuccessful terrorist attacks anywhere in the world were planned in Pakistan. Pakistani intellgence agencies cannot counter these terrorists alone, therefore it is very important for USA and other foreign intellegence agencies to have their informers, operators, and other resources in Pakistan. Some of these operators are working with Pakistani intellegence agencies and some are working alone. There is a trust issue too, Whatever the case may be, they are here to help Pakistan. They are not enemies of Pakistan, they are here to stop and kill terrorists. Ordinary Pakistani should not be afraid of them. If all of these foreign and USA operators leave Pakistan and terrorists strike succesfully somewhere in USA or in Europe, then imagine the consequences for ordinary Pakistani.Recommend

  • Commoner
    Mar 1, 2011 - 4:12AM

    “After Davis’ arrest, US operatives leaving Pakistan”

    Yeah and they better keep walking! Take your Indian comrades with you.Recommend

  • syed maududi
    Mar 1, 2011 - 4:12AM

    may Allah bless Pakistan and her peopleRecommend

  • F Robinson
    Mar 1, 2011 - 5:51AM

    US has provided generous aid and helped Pakistan every time.
    Pakistani response is sad and truly ungrateful.Recommend

  • Jerry
    Mar 1, 2011 - 7:02AM

    @sri:
    The country of Pakistan granted the Diplomatic Visa. It doesn’t matter who he was. They granted it. Now they go back on their word to appease the ridiculously conspiracy laden sheepy Pak masses.Recommend

  • Major Salmar Haidar (retd.)
    Mar 1, 2011 - 7:11AM

    @ Philip : You are raving nonsense and your lack of comprehension but reflects in your rhetoric. Pakistan is NOT afraid of ‘west’ or ‘east’; we are able to build our destiny. America has offered us aid on free will and if it doesn’t want to give, welcome to take it back. We are not demanding it in lieu of our soverignity. Recommend

  • khan
    Mar 1, 2011 - 7:54AM

    Some commentators are suggesting that the US is behind the suicide bombing campaign. This would then mean that all Al Qaeda, the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban, Lashkar-e-Taiba are all US agents.

    Strange isn’t it that logic is the first thing to fly out of the window when emotions are aroused in our sadly confused country. Recommend

  • Kashif
    Mar 1, 2011 - 7:55AM

    http://www.counterpunch.org/

    I Had Ray Davis’s Job, in Laos 30 Years Ago
    Same Cover, Same Lies
    By ROBERT ANDERSONRecommend

  • SARA
    Mar 1, 2011 - 10:06AM

    salute to our army officers who have allowed them to live among them in such society. armed forces dont have any check and balance sheet that what their officers are doing? and how come our govt letting other suspicious americans go that easily they should raid and investigate. But again our government and other systems are like those three monkeys who dont listen, dont see and dont hear…Recommend

  • SARA
    Mar 1, 2011 - 10:16AM

    @Philip…relax mr…you dont have to say all those things we exactly know what you all actually, every politician or say any thing in our country is being controlled by the US, we were stronger than your country but its your agencies who made us so weak.and what’s you are doing around the world.if you are blaming musharaff and the rest then those were your players we didnt made them and if you are talking abt osama then he was your agent from the beginning n now blaming afghanistan n other muslim countries. stop blaming others you know alot already so you better know what you all are in real. you control media as well that’s why we cant justify ourselves there. you show what you wanted to show but deep down you know that you all are guilty for all the downfall around the world.Recommend

  • Abdullah
    Mar 1, 2011 - 10:29AM

    So much for Rehman Malik’s enthusiastic claim that he’d swear on the Quran that there aren’t any covert operatives operating in Pakistan.

    And what the hell were our counter intelligence agencies doing prior to this? 400 +!!!! operatives are operating in Pakistan and they find out now? That’s a pathetic attempt at doing their job. So much for “intelligence”. I mean, 20 sure, even 50/60 is understandable, they can slip under the radar. But bloody 400 + ?! Phew, no way are they doing their job.

    The management of the ministry of interior is a sham. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were a part of the covert deep cover operatives program of the bloody amreeki government.

    And Philip, please do go and suck an egg. We don’t need your aid and we don’t need your morally righteous yet entirely misguided crap. Please do leave, and do so at the earliest. We have fought your war for nearly a decade. Our pathetic leaders have allowed you to drag us into it. If you even had a modicum of curiosity and a thirst for the truth you would have researched your country, just a little. The biggest terrorist in this world is the U.S of A. And if you want, I can cite multiple references to prove this claim. On the other hand, U.S of A now admit there weren’t any nukes in Iraq. The U.S of A does not have any conclusive proof which would stand up even in your own court of law (where the standard is “proven beyond a reasonable doubt”) that Afghanistan had anything to do with 9/11. Investigative journalists with integrity, political commentators with a true moral backbone, belonging to your country have written books and released statements that 9/11 was an inside job. Basically your country shot itself in the foot and pointed its greedy finger elsewhere.

    U.S of A disgusts me. Recommend

  • dar
    Mar 1, 2011 - 10:56AM

    “Ramond davis network” in Pakistan seems to to be as organised as that of A.Q.Khan…………………………………..!Recommend

  • Billoo Bhaya
    Mar 1, 2011 - 11:42AM

    @goggi:
    I love your quote of Allama Iqbal.Recommend

  • cidpusa
    Mar 1, 2011 - 1:14PM

    Retired Generals will rent their motherland for moneyRecommend

  • Vinayak
    Mar 1, 2011 - 1:15PM

    @Faisal Awan:
    “the total expected budget deficit of Pakistan after worst floods in century in only 6.5%, but the budget deficit of USA,UK,Ireland,Greece, Spain and others is more than 10%. The total grant from USA only 1% of Pakistan GDP and 4% of budget.”

    -> The US and UK economies are powerful enough to manage such a deficit budget. This is not the case with Pakistan. The other countries you mentioned (Ireland, Greece, Spain) have financial issues. Still international lenders (like IMF) are more willing to lend to them, than to Pakistan.

    This is because Pakistan already has a mountain of debt to service. 60 % of what your government earns is spent for defense and debt service alone. Even after this Pakistan badly needs more money for debt service. This does not leave much for badly needed development projects. That is why the 2 billion or so that US gives as aid annually becomes important for Pakistan economy.Recommend

  • Faisal Awan
    Mar 1, 2011 - 3:09PM

    @Vinayak

    Loan to GDP ratio and budget deficit ratio are the exact measure of economic position of country and financial health of country. See the CIA Fact book to know the exact financial position of economies of USA,UK,Greece and others and you will know that big tycoons are on verge of collapse but not Pakistan.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2186rank.html?countryName=Pakistan&countryCode=pk&regionCode=sas&rank=52#pk

    We can overcome this 2Billion Aid by brining a small token tax on ISAF and USA transit facility. Recommend

  • Fazal Gafur
    Mar 1, 2011 - 3:46PM

    Totally agreed with u SRI.Recommend

  • Vinayak
    Mar 1, 2011 - 4:14PM

    @Faisal Awan:
    Loan to GDP ratio and budget deficit ratio are the exact measure of economic position of country and financial health of country
    -> Sounds logical but it is not as simple as that. Ground reality is that lenders are much more willing to lend to US and UK than to Pakistan, because the perception is that their economies are robust, and they will be able to pay back. They have taken a larger budget deficit because THEY CAN. Same principle in credit-cards — the rich tend to live more on borrowed money.

    We can overcome this 2Billion Aid by brining a small token tax on ISAF and USA transit facility.
    -> Taxing is one good way of coming out of debt, but tends to be unpopular with the masses.

    Also you need US support for getting loans from IMF, to tide over your immediate debt issues.

    No simple solution unfortunately. Lot of political will needed, aur jeben tight karni padegi.Recommend

  • Bangash
    Mar 1, 2011 - 8:29PM

    Suicide bombings in Pakistan started after Alqaeda and Taliban ran away from Afghanistan after 9/11 and were welcomed in Pakistani FATA. Those who claim Americans are responsible for suicide bombings in Pakistan are lunatics who still cannot come to grips with the fact that Pakistan’s 30 year policy of supporting militants is the cause of its terrorism problem today.

    By the way the first suicide attack ever in Pakistan was against Egyptian embassy in 1995. Recommend

  • Mar 1, 2011 - 9:03PM

    Musharaf is an Indian and Adnan Sami (Singer) is still Pakistani. How an american can stay in a contenment area which is prohibited for foreigners? How he can get NOC? All the leaders we saw are corrupted. Still today nothing action taken against Musharraf who declared Emergency in the Country, Killing the innocent in Lal Masjid. When will Pakistan wakeup?Recommend

  • Kamran
    Mar 1, 2011 - 9:14PM

    Do read the artcle below on Counter Punch website by a former US Green Beret (commando) who then worked for the CIA in Laos during the Vietnam war.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/anderson02282011.html
    Had Ray Davis’s Job, in Laos 30 Years Ago
    Same Cover, Same Lies
    By ROBERT ANDERSONRecommend

  • The Pak-German
    Mar 1, 2011 - 9:43PM

    at Phillips sir you made me laugh and I am thanks-full for that! Your aid? What kind of AID? Have you ever heard the name of John Perkins? In his book “Confessions of an Economic Hitman” he writes: “Economic hit men (EHMs) are highly-paid professionals who cheat countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars. They funnel money from the World Bank, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and other foreign “aid” organizations into the coffers of huge corporations and the pockets of a few wealthy families who control the planet’s natural resources. Their tools included fraudulent financial reports, rigged elections, payoffs, extortion, sex, and murder. They play a game as old as empire, but one that has taken on new and terrifying dimensions during this time of globalization.” so can you please enlighten us who benefit most from such AID? Almost 70 to 80% of AID never reached the acceptor and rest goes to bribe-takers. Please leave Pakistan as fast as you can, then otherwise digg your grave deep in Afghanistan. The Americans are the biggest terrorist. You are coward people. You cant fight people who fight you back with stones…:-) Please dont take a risk on us… Take all your money and get lost… InshaAllah, we will survive and we are much better on without you.Recommend

  • XX
    Mar 1, 2011 - 11:27PM

    @Phillips Are you sure you’re not Indian? I’ve never met an American who ‘studies Pakistan’ so closelyRecommend

  • Anoop
    Mar 2, 2011 - 11:02AM

    US had already threatened if Pakistan continues to ignore the Vienna Conventions it’ll have to pullout staff responsible for Aid distribution in Pakistan. I’d not be surprised if it actually goes ahead and pulls out Aid workers.

    The things are hotting up and the only Country to benefit in all this is India. Recommend

  • anniedarc
    Mar 2, 2011 - 1:16PM

    @Humze Premjee:
    **Well noted. Its these greedy brigs and gens who need to wake up or be stopped by their chiefRecommend

  • Salman
    Mar 2, 2011 - 4:07PM

    Not Likely – 400 Indian, Israeli agents infiltrate CIA operating in Pakistan

    http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Politics/02-Mar-2011/400-Indian-Israeli-agents-infiltrate-CIA-operating-in-Pakistan

    Thanks to Haqqani & PPP!!!Recommend

  • abdul
    Mar 2, 2011 - 5:52PM

    it mean all foreigner in Pakistan they are living ilegaly.
    Mr khan and Roflcopter i like your reply to Mr Philips. this is slap on his face.Recommend

  • farhan badr
    Mar 2, 2011 - 7:21PM

    lolz @ phil your thoughts are really interesting. Recommend

  • Imran Altaf
    Mar 3, 2011 - 4:17AM

    As far as I am concerned this is what Pakistan has become under this new so called leadership, if you like killing muslims then let any American come on in and shoot the crap out of your citizens showing little or no respect for human life, this is what happens when you have an uneducted, inexperianced and 3rd rate President in charge. What we now need is a revolution!!! Time to reclaim our land back from the Americans, the fundamentalists, the so called Elite.Recommend

  • Watcher
    Mar 3, 2011 - 5:53AM

    @Mukhalif:
    It’s all about the MONEY…. is that correct?Recommend

  • Jerry
    Mar 3, 2011 - 8:10AM

    @Roflcopter: I live in Central America…… Not indian.Recommend

  • adil al hashimy
    Mar 3, 2011 - 1:46PM

    ALL and I mean it ALL the bomb explosions happening in Pakistan are being carried out by CIA proxies like Tehreek e Taliban Pakistan….they are not Talibaan ….the real Taalibaan are defending their country from foreign occupation and have nothing to do with Pakistan….imagine no American died in bomb blasts?? why?? These proxy groups are taking cash and weapons from their CIA patrons and carrying out the dirty bombing campaign against our country to destabilize it. Ultimately, to weaken it to such a point that US special forces will take control of our nuclear weapons and disintegrate our country. They are the ones inflaming insurgency from Afghanistan to Baluchistan and other parts of Pakistan. WE DONT NEED AMERICANS….their friendship is as dangerous as their enemosity….better to get rid of their influence on each and every aspect of our lives through the slave governments of Pakistan. These slaves are selling our souls and minting their own money. We need a revolution against our govt’s collaboration with USA….WE can survive with out their aid….and that aid isnt really aid it is a loan at pretty high interest rates…these govt officials will go to other countries and we will be left to repay these dirty loans….CRUSH these dirty collaborators who are selling our country in the name of peace….what peace are they talking about when there are drone attacks on daily basis?? Recommend

  • Salim
    Mar 3, 2011 - 4:35PM

    Very few Pakistani understand Amercans’ psychie. They enter into deal with you, using all their tools and techniques, and make the payment for the agreement. CIA is not interested in stability of Pakistan. It has its own objectives and has so much influence in US Administration that no one could even know what covert activities they are carrying. CIA and ISI had been in partnership for Afghnistan and Khalistan. Since they achieved the objectives of opening up of Indian markets for American companies they forced Pakistan to hand over list of Khalistan terrorists to India. Since then US and India have become real strategic allies and Pakistan for public consumption. Since 2004 CIA and RAW joined hands to change the mindset of Pakistanis that the war on terror was in the interest of Pakistan and it was not for USA only. They created TTP provided them with funds and arms (US Auditor reported that 1 million sophisticated arms were lost in Afghnistan but no action was taken and the news was burried under carpet. CIA has entered deep into Pakistan and about to achieve the objective of creating a new catastrophe of nuclear theft by Taliban. However, Raymond Devis case had put a temporary halt on this objective. CIA has gather tremendous intelligence and deept contacts with Taliban and Alqaida that they could do it sitting in Afghnistan. Generals in Pakistan now must wake up and break silence due to peanut AID going into pocket of Politicians and some Army officers.Recommend

  • Breimo, D.
    Mar 3, 2011 - 11:49PM

    @Roflcopter:
    You are right about who the real terrorists are. Google: Killing Hope+William Blum
    and from http://www.sandiego.indymedia.org you can read this detailed book about US covert activity during the last century.Recommend

  • Abdul-Mughis Rana
    Mar 5, 2011 - 12:19AM

    @Salim @ Adil al Hashimy: Exactly thats how they intend to make a kill. Around 60 countries have been dealt with by these helpers (in God, we trust)!!Recommend

  • AK
    Mar 7, 2011 - 1:09PM

    @ Jerry

    Its very easy to play the blame game sitting in your seat (whereever you are). Do you even know that you can get anything done in this country by offering a few hundred dollars (the worthless currency that it is). Do you even know how the drone attacks work? The intelligence used for the drone attacks comes from people who are paid pennies by the US Intellingence Agencies to drop a chip at the target place. If I were poor or hungry, I would be landing these chips left right and centre regardless of who is being attacked.. you know you should be just be happy that there a no drones where you live..coz if you were living in Pakistan you wouldn’t have the liberty or time of passing such ignorant remarks… and talking about liberty.. perhaps you should be more concerned about your own freedom, because as I see it there is no need for drones where you are sitting… you are already under the full control of the media and the elite (so called) in your country… open your eyes and stop calling this a conspiracy theory… the truth is out there…..Recommend

  • Jerry
    Mar 7, 2011 - 5:06PM

    @AK:
    I understand how convenient it would be for you if I was a dull American sitting in my house making comments based on what he saw on fox news.

    Look at your ridiculous news! A year ago wasn’t there an uproar about 10,000 US Marines being in the Embassy? What a joke. And the best part was, many many Pakistani believed and were flustered by it. Until they found out there was only about 20-30. Fact checking you news reports, doesn’t sell.

    Also, why was it conveniently forgotten that when this Davis case first came out that the autopsy report showed that four out of seven bullets had hit the gunmen in the front, confirming the threat to him. And that the criminals had earlier robbed two passersby of their cell phones and money. Also, that they were carrying unlicensed pistols. It was a 2vs.1 situation. Or……does this go against Pakistani passions so it’s not mentioned. Recommend

  • Jerry
    Mar 7, 2011 - 5:09PM

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/02/01/cutting-off-the-nose.html

    “What I myself saw on the very day of the shooting, about two hours after the event, was the interview of a young man off the street, conducted by a loud and vociferous channel. When asked what he had seen the man said: “pistol” (“The two motorcyclists drew their pistols to rob the foreigner [using the near-pejorative term , or Whitey] who shot them dead”). This was repeated twice in a period of 30 or so minutes and then taken off air. This is what I saw and heard myself. It is pertinent to note that that young man has not been seen, nor heard from, again. Neither has any newspaper quoted what he said on record.

    Far more than this, there are stories in the press that the police is hesitant to register cases of mobile phone and wallet snatching against the two, crimes that two people allege they committed a few hours before their encounter with David, for fear of a backlash. Ghairat Brigades

    Is this in itself a case of the dishonestly trying to turn the situation into an ugly one for the government, and for generally queering the pitch even further for American-Pakistani official relations? Is this yet another conspiracy to throw yet another spanner in the works with regards to the war on terror? None of which, of course, is to say that the Americans have done what they should have done in the very first instance: give a clear statement on just who the man was, what the circumstances of the shooting were, and then stick to it.”Recommend

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