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Christmas is evil?

Daily Mail reports a group in the UK has launched a nationwide poster campaign denouncing Christmas as evil.

December 24, 2010

Christmas is evil?

LONDON: A group in the United Kingdom (UK) has launched a nationwide poster campaign denouncing Christmas as evil, reported the Daily Mail on Thursday.

According to the report, the "fanatics from a banned Islamic hate group" plans to put up thousands of posters around the UK which say Christmas is “responsible for rape, teenage pregnancies, abortion, promiscuity, crime and paedophilia.”

The group’s website xmasisevil.com, which has a vivid “Beware xmas is the path to hellfire” sign hanging on the home page, says “the reality is that Christmas is more about office parties, house parties, raves night clubs, alcohol, drugs and all the things that these lead to, like illicit sex, violence, rape, domestic violence, crime, vandalism and so on.”

The Daily Mail reported “the campaign's organiser is 27-year-old Abu Rumaysah, who once called for Sharia Law in Britain at a press conference held by hate preacher leader Anjem Choudary, the leader of militant group Islam4UK.”

COMMENTS (19)

Tyrone | 13 years ago | Reply Hi Waqar, Perhaps I misunderstood but: 'Although, he is generally considered as an annoying hypocrite rather than a serious threat like his predecessors the media uses him as a pawn for their talking points when the establishment needs to build up hate for Islam' 'Totally IMMUNE from prosecution. He is as much of an actor as the ‘Muslims’ on Eastenders (long running British soap drama).' These suggest you believe he is a plant. The ‘British establishment can do no wrong’ mindset shown by people like you is getting very tiresome! Wrong they can do no right! :) Happy New Year to you too!

Waqar | 13 years ago | Reply @ Tyrone You need to re-read my post above. Where do I categorically state that 'classifying EVERY Muslim person who doesn’t behave in a responsible way as a plant or an agent of the CIA/RAW/Mossad'? Or was there any intention to imply as such? 'MANY' Muslims in the UK and non-Muslims are not the same as EVERY Muslim. I think we can be clear on this understanding. I would be interested to know what your definition of 'responsible way' is? A certain minority of British Muslims as well as non-Muslims DO NOT BEHAVE in a responsible way and the CIA/RAW/MOSSAD have nothing to do with it! Muslims can do wrong. Incidentally, I have never alluded to CIA/RAW/MOSSAD (they have their own agendas) in any of my postings except for one reference from the public domain served for informational purposes. My post was in reply to this article about the 'Christmas is Evil' campaign in Britain with the man Anjem Chaudary, which very few people know about his past and links to Al-Muhajiroun. What I will say is that the inextricable link between radical groups and their protection under the 'Covenant of Security' by the British Intelligence Services needs to be thoroughly investigated. I can easily apply your same statement to the effect 'the day people like you stop classifying every Muslim person as potential terrorists or sympathisers is the day people like average Joe Blogs will start to change their opinion! The ‘British establishment can do no wrong’ mindset shown by people like you is getting very tiresome! I'd like to think I am little more intelligent than making such comments. Happy Christmas and a prosperous new year to you.

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Tyrone | 13 years ago | Reply Waqar the day people like you stop classifying every Muslim person who doesn't behave in a responsible way as a plant or an agent of the CIA/RAW/Mossad is the day people like Jeffery will start to change their opinion! The 'we can do no wrong' mindset shown by people like you is getting very annoying! I'm Catholic and by God the IRA are Catholic (they've been excommunicated but let's ignore that) they're not plants of anyone to malign Catholics, they are misguided Catholics who have been sent a very strong message by the Vatican and the Church: We cannot condone your violence. The Catholics of N Ireland have a right to independence but I'd not support any efforts to achieve that right if it involves the shedding of one human life no not an innocent life but a life! AS someone said "The cause alone must not be noble but the means of achieving the cause must be noble as well!"

Dr+Dev+Mishra | 13 years ago | Reply J Hatcher, liked your comments, but sad abt the generalization. Waqar, spot on. I, a hindu Indian doctor living in the UK for 25 years, can vouch for the fact that it amazes everybody that Anjem Choudhury is SILL FREE. He is a raving lunatic and has done much to damage the muslim image in UK. But he is not a MI5 stooge. If the Brits are culpable here, then it is of sheer incompetence in letting him run around freely. The same incompetence that results in their shambolic immigration policy. When I first came to the UK, I did not particularly mind the term Asian. But the rise of radical loony Islamic radicalism has resulted in a matching rise in Islamophobia, and therefore, EVEN BEFORE 9/11, most Indian hindus or sikhs like me were beginning to emphasise their non muslim identities. Sad, but true. I do not want my house bricked because some disgusting ppl are going around saying xmas is evil. Merry Christmas and a happy new year all. Dr Dev Mishra, UK and India

Waqar | 13 years ago | Reply Hmm, Anjem Choudary, rings a bell. Agent provocateur extraordinaire. There are many Muslims in the UK and non-Muslims who think he is a British Intelligence psyop and an intelligence asset (Google his name). Although, he is generally considered as an annoying hypocrite rather than a serious threat like his predecessors the media uses him as a pawn for their talking points when the establishment needs to build up hate for Islam. He is given an extraordinary amount of coverage in the mainstream British media spewing his incoherent and inconsistent statements. The aim of his objectives is simple, to provoke animosity between British Muslims and British non Muslims through provocation. His modus operandi is usually in the form of viral web propaganda for which Islam4uk.com was the infamous one and he takes advantage over sensitive issues such as the Wooten Basset marches . His site was closed down and the Whois registrar revealed a discrepancy in the listed address. The Islam4uk.com website was registered to Abu Abdullah Islam a convicted terrorist with links ot the British Intelligence services. Strange how they let convicted prisoners set up hate websites WHILE apparently in prison. Despite having links with a radical organisation called Al-Muhajiroun which was declared a ‘Terrorist’ group and why after making many statements and declarations calling for acts such as killing people and issuing many press releases which immediately get covered by the mainstream media why hasn’t Anjem Choudary been arrested? Muslims get arrested and charged and convicted for merely possession of the wrong DVD. Yet Anjem Choudary has been on the scene for 10 whole years spouting his rubbish unopposed by the police or by the authorities. Totally IMMUNE from prosecution. He is as much of an actor as the ‘Muslims’ on Eastenders (long running British soap drama). I wonder where Anjem Choudary source’s his advertising campaigns from? If this newly formed hate group is so concerned about the evils of Christmas why not condemn the MUSLIMS in Pakistan and Lebanon and Dubai and elsewhere IN THE ISLAMIC WORLD who are practicing Christmas with lights, trees, santas etc – afterall the Caliphate will be established in the lands of the Muslims, not the lands of the non-Muslims. Anjem Choudary’s controversial publicity stunt

Scott | 13 years ago | Reply Zahid- Islam is not a religion of peace. It is a religion of submission to the will of God. Buddhism is a religion of peace. (About half a billion of them, most of them poor, and never in the news for killing in the name of their religion). To the rest of the English: 1. This poster shows what the extremists within the Islamic community think about England. 2. This episode will be but a blip. It will be cast off as the work as an "extremist", and people will be told to be mindful of the "vast majority" that don't believe in it. However, anything, ANYTHING, that criticizes Islam to a similar extent will be seen as a racist plot, and might involve police investigations into a hate crime. That the people behind this plot feel so open about putting up such overtly anti Christian posters in London is troubling, as it is a sign of growing confidence. I chalk this one up to another sign of the Decline and Fall of England.

Jeffrey Hatcher | 13 years ago | Reply @ sandeep+limaye Your example of pornstars seems to be a good rebuttal to me, but only at 1st glance. Perhaps not explicitly enough, I spoke of a threshold when I said: "Nevertheless, there comes a time ". I should rather have said that there is some intolerable level. Many big cities have had periods of rampant levels of prostitution. Can we agree that prostitution is not as great a sin as suicide bombing? If so, then we can agree that some levels of prostitution, although bad, are not as bad as some level of religious extremism. In Christian scripture, Jesus had a much greater tolerance of prostitutes who sold their bodies to feed themselve than he ever had of hypocrytical religious zealots. Though an atheist, my moral values are still influenced by my upbringing, and so I am much, much more tolerant of prostitution than of zealotry. Yet, I have seen neighborhoods in which a level of tolerance for prostitution sends a message to the greater world saying "send us your thieves, drug dealers, and drunkards, and come destroy our community!" Clearly, it becomes incumbant upon everyone to be vigilant against prostitution - people must support politicians who address these crimes in a very firm manner. MOST IMPORTANTLY they must hold the MEN who are ultimately the cause of prostitution to account for their crimes of solicitation! EVERY MAN has a responsibility to RESPECT A WOMAN'S DIGNITY more than he respects his craven desires. It also becomes incumbant upon a community to make sure that abuse of women in people's home is eradicated. I can think of no greater source of prostitutes than an abusive, hateful father who causes a daughter to flee into the world where her immediate need for food and clothing can be most readily met by laying on her back. EVERYBODY MUST HEAP SCORN UPON SUCH A MAN, and abusive fathers must be punished with the greatest severity, as it is they who generate the male thieves and the female prostitutes. If a community fails in its vigilance against abusive fathers, solicitous men, and its responsibility to protect and educate its daughters, then at some point, YES, the entire community merits scorn. Do you recognize the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah in Islam? So I feel satisfied with my logic that there is a communal responsibility to minimize prostitution (only a fool will think it can be eradicated). I also feel comfortable in saying that if a community consistently fails to do so over a long time, then I am not disturbed if people call its residents Sodomites. And if I am comfortable with that, then I must be comfortable with the notion that there is a threshold of violence above which I am not morally obligated to have respect for a community that generates suicide bombers.

Tony Singh | 13 years ago | Reply and add Read the news father killed daughter because she was aiming to be a suicide bomber. The father made the choice, killed the daughter. These choices are hard, but have to be taken.

Tony Singh | 13 years ago | Reply There comes a time when one has to choose. Either one is with them or against them. There are no passive observers.

Zahid | 13 years ago | Reply @ Jeffrey, Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance, if a muslim is not exercising it, then he is not a true follower of Islam.

Imtiaz | 13 years ago | Reply What about the Muslims across the world who commit the same atrocities drink, rape, kill, etc.?

sandeep+limaye | 13 years ago | Reply dear friend. net is open to all the rascals. anyone may come and abuse anyone. if some Indians are using abusive language on net then according to you all Indians use abusive languages. there are western porn stars. so many of them. then we should think that all the western girl's are prostitutes. if they are not protesting against pornographic movies and stars. according to you all the good god fearing girls of western countries are pornstars them selves. don't paint every muslim by same colour for god sake and grow up a little. Jeffrey

lota6177 | 13 years ago | Reply I completely agree with Jeffrey Hatcher and would like to add that most moderate muslims are cowards infront of religious extremist and fundamentalist muslims. The moderates are like a stunned chicken who has no clue how to preach tolreance to the exremist minority. Any ideas how to put the bell around the neck of the cat?

Mulla Toofhan | 13 years ago | Reply Christmas is NOT EVIL. It's People like Abu R and the Preacher who suggested Burn a Quran Day are evil. They are from the same tree of hate You people are consumed by your own hate so much that people like us do not even care for your existence leave alone your hateful preaching. Anything or Anybody who may differ from your point view or is not like you becomes target of your concocted view of religion You guys can try as much and as hard you like to spread hate but we the Good,Tolerant and the Loving will always WIN because that how God wants it.

m | 13 years ago | Reply I am a Muslim. My educational background is in Islamic theology. From Islamic view Muslims are not allowed to post such posters which offend the feelings of other faith groups. Theological discussion and argument are ok. Those people who launched the campaign do not understand Islamic teaching and they are not to any extant Islamic scholar.

Fahad Javaid | 13 years ago | Reply Dear Sir, Every religion have extremists and clerics; you just can't simply blame Islam for that. I have been living in UK and to be honest, I have never ever experienced any hatred against Europeans or anyother human being. You need to reconsider you statement.

Jeffrey Hatcher | 13 years ago | Reply Sara, Non-Muslims are very well aware that the vast majority of Muslims do not subscribe to a philosophy of hatred. Even under the Third Reich, most Germans doubtfully thought that all of Europe's Jewish population should be killed in gas chambers. Nevertheless, there comes a time when a people must stridently oppose all persons who preach hatred of others. If they fail in their responsibility to oppose hatred, they are little better than those who hate. So long as the response is one of ambivalence, then those people who stereotype their beliefs (as I have very knowingly done) can do so with a clear conscience. I firmly believe that there are very many Muslims who are greatly troubled by the beliefs and activities of some of their fellow believes. I firmly believe that some would speak out against the hatred, but they are too fearful of bringing harm to their families and themselves. However, I also see these outlandish and hateful accusations against Christmas as just another example of a failure for introspection by Muslims. Progress is being made towards countering the hate. Yet hardly a day goes by that somewhere, some Muslim isn't commiting a random act of violence against other people, both Muslim and non-Muslim. I do not yet see how you differ from 'peaceful' Germans who allowed their brethren to commit the greatest crime that the world has yet known. For that reason, I no longer refrain from stereotyping you.

Sara | 13 years ago | Reply Mr. Jeffrey Hatcher All muslims have not same thoughts. If one crow in syberia is white it doesnt mean all crows are white in all over the world.

Jeffrey Hatcher | 13 years ago | Reply And still people wonder why infidels link Islam to hatred....

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