Don't bother with India, General Musharraf

Published: December 7, 2010
The writer is communications adviser of the All-Pakistan Muslim League

The writer is communications adviser of the All-Pakistan Muslim League

This is a just a note to share how one feels regarding the Indian government denying General Musharraf a visit visa. Frankly, it didn’t come as a shock to most of us since he has gone there several times and won over both their public and their press. His recent forthright remarks regarding Indian involvement in Balochistan didn’t go down well either with the Indian government.

To make the refusal look kosher, the Indians now claim that Kargil has become an issue — which seems a bit sudden give that it happened over a decade ago. How come India didn’t have any problem on this issue when General Musharraf was invited to, and visited, India in the last few years?

I think India is uncomfortable with General Musharraf in the current situation, which is that a former army chief is making a comeback through the political system and he knows all the realities of India’s intent towards Pakistan. Also the fact that each time he was there, he managed to make himself heard is something that the Indian establishment does not want.

Once, on a visit to India in 2000, I was asked by many Indians about General Musharraf and how as a Pakistani I felt about a general ruling my country. I could tell, when I was asked this, that the Indians were afraid of his straightforwardness and his bold approach. One, of course, delighted in the thought that the general perchance scared off Indians — which is just as well since they have never really been our friends. My answer then, and now, is that I felt safer in the hands of “our general” than in a so-called democratically elected feudal dictator.

I have always questioned India’s interest, or lack of it, in us through observation in areas such as our creative arts and sports. One shouldn’t be surprised to learn how tightly the Indians control their money and refuse to invest into anything Pakistani. The notion that Pakistani musicians and artists go to India and make good money is, in fact, a myth. I can say this with some authority as I have spent the last few years investigating this issue to be able to understand it quite intricately.

India has for several years taken the talent that it does not possess from us. This talent is then used to make good products for Indian companies and eventually lots of money for them. But what does the artist or musician get out of this, since they have to pay taxes on their income and high overheads?

From this follows a question: Why does our talent even cross the border? And the answer to this, I am sorry to say, is vanity. They go because they feel they have to make it big in a large international market and that if they do that they will be able to charge even higher fees in Pakistan. This may well be correct thinking since in Pakistan the corporate sector is sadly, extremely India-centric.

That’s obviously not the case on the other side of the border because even though the spoken language is the same in both countries, Indian broadcasters have never aired any of our Pakistani content within India.

I would advise General Musharraf to not bother with India as there is much work to be done elsewhere.

Published in The Express Tribune, December 7th, 2010.

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Reader Comments (121)

  • patriot
    Dec 7, 2010 - 2:37AM

    Political comeback?! by who the Retired General? I doubt his Party will even manage to win 2 provincial assembly seats, let alone National Assembly onesRecommend

  • Amna
    Dec 7, 2010 - 2:54AM

    Atiqa: Not that this has anything to do with this article but since you are a member of the APML and a close supporter of Musharraf, I would like to ask you if there is anyway to track the 25 crore that Musharraf raised for the flood victims?Recommend

  • Raqib Ali
    Dec 7, 2010 - 4:02AM

    I very much dislike Musharraf and I am not happy with Atiqa Odho either (for supporting Musharraf).

    But I must say that as a nation, we MUST focus on our strengths. I don’t hate India, I just love my country. Atiqa Odho is right: we shouldn’t bother with India. There is a lot of work that needs to be done. Recommend

  • Abraham Rajan
    Dec 7, 2010 - 4:06AM

    Sigh, yet another case of sour grapes.
    How Mr Musharraf try for a visa to enter Pakistan?
    As for talent, India is eager to host your gifted, (just keep the ones with bomb making talent at home, thank you).Recommend

  • Abraham Rajan
    Dec 7, 2010 - 4:07AM

    Sigh, yet another case of sour grapes.
    How about Mr Musharraf try for a visa to enter Pakistan?
    As for talent, India is eager to host your gifted, (just keep the ones with bomb making talent at home, thank you).Recommend

  • Yasir
    Dec 7, 2010 - 5:39AM

    I am not going to India ever again — General Musharaf

    Thank you — a grateful Indian nationRecommend

  • Kumar
    Dec 7, 2010 - 6:18AM

    Ms. Odho,

    I must respectfully disagree with your article. Not to be harsh, but I felt that your article was completely lacking in substance and reeked of immaturity. You start with your admiration for Gen. Musharraf and then you end your argument with some random statements on musicians. If you have an argument or point to make, I failed to see it.

    As an Indian, I would want nothing more than to see world-beating Pakistani companies investing and employing Indians. I would also love to see Indian companies making a larger investment in Pakistan. Unfortunately, the evidence clearly reveals that the unelected leaders of Pakistan have different priorities than creating jobs and prosperity for its many talented people who have prospered outside of Pakistan.

    India has many problems but as a nation they have at least brought some measure of prosperity and pride to its people. Please name one product or service that Pakistan exports to other nations, that benefits other nations, and that other nations demand in large quantity. Pakistan had a golden opportunity to take the path of development and prosperity, but unfortunately, your nation decided to take a different path. Ask yourself – are the Pakistani people better off than they were ten years ago? Have the decisions taken and priorities taken yielded a dividend for Pakistan? Has Pakistan’s image in the world improved over the past five years? Only when you hold the mirror to your own face and ask these harsh questions will you find the right path.

    I wish you all the best. God Bless you.Recommend

  • JD
    Dec 7, 2010 - 6:38AM

    Two things stand out in the article:
    1)Sour Grapes

  • Arijit Sharma
    Dec 7, 2010 - 8:12AM

    @author: “India has for several years taken the talent that it does not possess from us.”

    What utter nonsense.Recommend

  • Joginder Singh
    Dec 7, 2010 - 8:24AM

    Madam, i grant you are entitled to your antipathy to India – 60 plus years of indoctrination are hard to shrug off. You have inadvertently hit on the nub of the problem, however. It is the economy. That is the only driving force in the dealings. It isn’t about Musharraf or lack of him. If Mushy wants to give sound bites to the media then nobody can stop him, in this day and age of modern communications. He doesn’t have to go to India to do so. Your concept about the evil Brahman-Baniya out to do nasty things to the land of the pure is misplaced, as if trying to make an honest buck is somehow sinful. Artists go to India reach a wider audience and make some extra rupees. Their hosts give them a platform because they want to make an extra rupee or two too. What’s wrong with that? Same goes for your traders. The Yanks and Brits are eying the vast Indian market to bail out their economies. Why should Pakistan also refrain from earning some dirty Indian rupees? And living just next-door! Do you know that Pakistan made cement is popular with building contractors in Indian Punjab because of the price? Nobody questions the thekedars’ patriotism because of that.Recommend

  • Manoj
    Dec 7, 2010 - 9:05AM

    “My answer then, and now, is that I felt safer in the hands of “our general” than in a so-called democratically elected feudal dictator.”

    People of Pakistan are in the best position to judge, people who holds above view. It is open definance of the constitutuion of the country and needless to say constitution defines the will of the people.

    How can people who holds and supports views like above can be tolerated in a democratic society.Recommend

  • Junaid
    Dec 7, 2010 - 10:06AM

    what a waste of pen paper and hosting space, this you should have given him privately as well.Recommend

  • Dec 7, 2010 - 10:07AM

    What a description. Lol.Recommend

  • Shujah
    Dec 7, 2010 - 10:12AM

    Inshallah Musharraf will sweep the next elections. Recommend

  • Usman Ahmad
    Dec 7, 2010 - 11:24AM

    Indian establishment does not like him…wants to stop him from being heard…? COME ONE!!! He was darling of India! We all know that..Ms Odho! I know it is hard to put an unbiased analysis given the political affinities you have!Recommend

  • Ammar
    Dec 7, 2010 - 11:33AM

    There is difference between winning and gunning Miss :) Doing politics takes a lot more than just swelling your fans count on facebook. Politics is a full time business and both Nawaz Sharif and Pervez Musharraf should understand this. Zaid Hamid has also good number of fans on facebook. Does that mean he can win election in Pakistan? Not to forget the performance of Imran Khan :) You should revisit your decision to support an adolescent politician (Thanks Kamran Shafi); I don’t think he can even win a local body election if the elections are fair and free. But good luck with your obsession. This too shall die very soon.Recommend

  • Dec 7, 2010 - 11:40AM

    Is this woman for real? And she is the adviser to a political party? Yesterday was a significant day in Pakistan’s history -the lady would be well advised to study what December 6 means to Pakistan and why rhetoric like hers based on denial, a false sense of superiority and hatred towards India, led to what happened many years ago on December 6.

    Thankfully I know enough of Pakistan now to realise that she represents the Bal Thakeray of Pakistan and should be looked upon as marginal entertainment. Recommend

  • Dec 7, 2010 - 11:52AM

    He..he.. Your lovely article had me in splits!

    The Indian government is as afraid of the general’s sonic bombs as the present day government in Pakistan. The general has never been popular with the public. It is only the press corps that is enamoured of him due to his sonic bombs (read soundbites). His bluff and bluster makes for great television too! He is not a peace-nik as is evident once more from his most recent soundbites. He would have made news in india for soundbites like these only cause the indian public & media would have lapped these up as they vindicate their stand of pakistan being an enemy country. Indian government would have been under great stress to manage the fallout. He would have made a bad situation worse, more so from from your point of view as he would have certainly mentioned the ‘K’ word and pakistani support to the kashmiri terrorists…ahem…freedom fighters. Balochis are freedom fighters too one presumes. Alas, we do not have the capacity to support them given the doctrine put into place by that silly toad with a goatee, IK Gujral. Indians had a lot of love and respect for the ‘Frontier Gandhi’. We’d rather see a friendly country in Balochistan. And we love the frontier cuisine. Numbers of restaurants here with frontier/balochi cuisine. One of the best restaurants in the world, Bukhara, serves frontier cuisine.

    Kargil has always been an issue. It is just that the government of india did not realise it and eventually paid the price. IC-184, 2001 etc all just added to the indian public’s disdain of thePakistani government.

    Your memory seems to be rather short. It is your generals who have always led you down the path of self-destruction. Well, that’s a trait they share with the democratically elected governments in india.

    Indians no longer care about Pakistan if you leave aside a few old timers like Manmohan Singh. We’d rather see the US or your home-grown Taliban take care of you.

    You have few creative arts and you do not excel at sports other than Hockey. The arts are a shared heritage from the time you were indians and are in the sufiana tradition rather than the wahabi brand of islam that you have imported from Saudi Arabia. Teenage boys running around with loaded AK-47’s could perhaps be a sport in your eyes, but not in ours.

    Your sportsmen and creative artistes are more than welcome here. This may not be the case always as witnessed by no pakistani players being picked up for the last IPL. By the way, when did you have a major sports event in your allah forsaken wasteland? Your sports persons and creative artistes are eager to come and work or play in India. It is a more tolerant land and the money is good. The audience is appreciative. Ask Ghulam Ali, Abida Parveen, Rahmat Fatah Ali khan, Adnan Sami and others. Your cable operators tune in to all things Indian. There was once a market in india for good pakistani theatre and television dramas. Alas, it is not so any more cause there isn’t any content of the same quality being created any longer. You are stuck with Ekta Kapoor soaps as are we! Continue down the road of islamization of the Saudi kind and you will have no creative arts to speak of in a few years.

    India was the General’s best hope to find relevance once more in the Pakistani politics. Am afraid he’s done himself in for good.Recommend

  • parvez
    Dec 7, 2010 - 11:57AM

    Thank you ET for starting my Tuesday morning off with a good laugh.Recommend

  • Adi
    Dec 7, 2010 - 12:00PM

    Best wishes Atiqa. Recommend

  • Dec 7, 2010 - 12:02PM

    Oh, did i forget to mention that your beloved country is now seen as a major headache by the world at large? Your friends and foes alike have taken to beating you up even as they troop off to india to partake of juicy contracts? Reform & redeem yourself before they take care of you for us.Recommend

  • Malik Tabeer
    Dec 7, 2010 - 12:03PM

    Well Said by Atiqa
    keep it upRecommend

  • Yasser
    Dec 7, 2010 - 12:22PM

    Nicely put up. The world is feeling for India for this act of naivety which wasn’t expected but was on the cards after Musharraf always openly criticized India even being India for the act of back biting whether in the affairs of Baluchistan or WOT.Recommend

  • Talat
    Dec 7, 2010 - 12:35PM

    Is she a Parvez’s spokeswoman? I thought I would get to read a critical analysis on the issue. I couldn’t go beyond the first two paras, may be there is more…Recommend

  • Ammar
    Dec 7, 2010 - 12:43PM

    Why visit India? Why not Pakistan? :)Recommend

  • A Suhail
    Dec 7, 2010 - 1:07PM

    @Mehta. So is there any sport which India excels at? A nation of 1 billion people cant even produce enough quality athletes and you think you can talk ** to us. What have you done other then win some trophies in cricket? We have won the same number of trophies as you guys. And you forgot to mention squash and snooker. And AK47 running in our background? HOw about manipur and nagaland? Arents AK47 kids running around there trying to blow things up? Aint they freedom fighters too trying to get rid of the yoke of India. Kindly keep your ignorant comments and spare us your views on things. If you do not care about Pakistan as you say you wouldn’t be posting on this blog. BTW how come no major indian newspapers never allow my views on things to be posted on Indian websites? Are you guys this insecure? Recommend

  • Danish
    Dec 7, 2010 - 1:16PM

    The comments in defence of India only prove Atiqa is right :) Reality bites!!!!!Recommend

  • Dec 7, 2010 - 1:33PM

    @Danish; The comments are in defence of Pakistan, faced as it is with the probable return of the General. I could be wrong but if my memory serves me right, things in pakistan went rapidly downhill after the general took over. He is all form and little substance. Recommend

  • Q
    Dec 7, 2010 - 1:38PM

    Musharraf is a great leader and human being regardless. Long Live PM.Recommend

  • Yousaf
    Dec 7, 2010 - 1:49PM

    good one, yes indeed after General said clearly that India is creating trouble in Baluchistan and supporting Afghan Government which do not favor Pakistan, made the Indians not to give Visa to General Musharraf.

    For me, yes it is a disappointing that a champion of democracy and free media denied Visa to General Musharraf. Indians are afraid of what?

    General Musharraf got a lot of respect internationally, so truly he should not be bothered to Visit India ever. Instead, he should focus on the APML and work hard to gather the political support as much as he can.

    Also, his return to Pakistan is very much necessary and required, in this way, he will be able to interact with the general public.

    Those who laugh at General Musharraf should be ashamed, by knowing that they their former president is denied entry to India. Also they should realize and understand the facts that Musharraf’ time was best in the history of Pakistan.

    Lastly, I want to say it to all those who oppose General Musharraf and try to mislead people, discourage us… that “We might be defeated, but we will fight till we can because we have strong faith in Allah and our Leadership, that we are fighting for good cause, to serve the people of Pakistan, whatsoever might be the outcome” Recommend

  • Kamran
    Dec 7, 2010 - 2:21PM

    Let me be a good samaritan and give you a little taste of reality just so you can feel how sane people do. You see when trying to make a case for Pakistan’s lack of any creative arts you may not want to list names of the artists {albeit you didn’t name ’em all, that could take a while} that have actually been paid by your arts and music industry to perform, you see that kinda defeats the point you are trying to make. Similarly you may wanna check the stats on your beloved cricket, which seemingly delusional Indians like yourself think they are the best at, Pakistan holds an almost 2 TO 1 advantage in odi’s against India and a decided edge in test matches. As far as other sports, you ain’t exactly setting the world on fire either with every second Indian athlete testing positive for PED (that’d be performance enhancing drugs). As far as major sporting events, i wouldn’t go tooting my horn about the fiasco that the CWG turned out to be, as evident by the GLARING ABSENCE of any world class athletes in any sport of any note. Going back to the arts for a sec, i guess you must think of Indian movies as art, let me assure you that a vast majority of bollywood ventures are more like another word that rhymes with art but starts with an F, get my drift (pun intended). You see for all your bravado your basic insecurity comes shining through in your comments, you wish the US or the taliban or aliens from another planet take care of us, and may be they will and may be we deserve it for our own transgressions against ourselves, for the promises we failed to keep to our own and for squandering a chance at a better more substantial country and a nation, but you know what, we are still here and it ain’t over till it’s over. I can trade insults and ill will with you all day but it doesn’t seem productive. So my advice to you is to worry about you, India ain’t exactly there yet either, you are just the ugly chick at the cool kids table right now ’cause she’s come into some money and they will let you think you belong, but the transformation of India is FAR from complete and the clock may strike 12 if you get too big for your britches too quickly. Have a nice day. Recommend

  • abhishek
    Dec 7, 2010 - 3:44PM

    @yousaf: “we are fighting for good cause, to serve the people of Pakistan, whatsoever might be the outcome“.. Would you please make it clear That How your Eternal Hate and Fight with the India, For the sake of Allah, going to Help any single Pakistani except Flattering those who Adopted hating India as their Religion. And Instead of Finding ways To change this scenario, Most of your Statesmen, Army and ISI serves their own Interest by Fueling this HATE India Strategy.. And to Serve the Same purpose Musharraf want to Visit India.. We are No more the Place to serve the Silly Political Interests of your Politicians..
    @Atiqa: It’s Unfortunate to see so Politically Motivated and Biased Article in this national Newspaper.. “the general scared off Indians“..Yes, your General Tried Once to do so in Kargil, But You Too know the Results.. It’s Fine for you to Praise the person who pays you, But when you are Saying Something on a reputed paper like this, which even we(who already have plenty of Newspapers here)surf, to Get Unbiased Generalist’s Views.. you should Come up with Statistics of what good your Boss Brought to pakistan(and if he did so then why he was dismissed and now struggling to be heard).. When I read the Comments By Pakistani people on Every single thing that India is Afraid of Pak, I feel Piety for them .. But After Reading you It seems to me that it has become a Psychological disorder here in many people due to a long setback..I Wish you to Get Well Soon..
    @A Sohail: I Critically feel Sad that your Views, if they were Logical, didn’t got published in Indian Papers or Websites.. I Hope the Things will change with the Time.. And yes, We too Have the Problems, Instabilities in few areas.. but we are keen to resolve them instead of using them as a weapon to unstable others.. India did better in Asiad and Commonwealth then it did anytime in past because we compare Ourself with our Past results and Not with the Pakistan Performance.. “Kindly keep your ignorant comments and spare us your views on things”.. We pass our Views only on those articles, Concerned to us..
    Creative Arts, Sportsmen and Talent Doesn’t consider Boundaries.. Wasim Akaram is the Ideal of Indian Bowlers.. why Pakistani people love shahrukh, salman and Regards Sachin even though they are Indians..the Song i love the Most is Sung By Rahet Fateh Ali khan and that Magically forces me to think why people hate each others across the Boundary to serve their filthy political Interests.. why our relations at every level are not as smooth as the melody of this song, this Voice.. These Talents are the only Ambassador of peace in this critical time Ms ATIQA .. Don’t Suspect their Desires and don’t Doubt them if they want to Spread love Let them get globalize like Nushrat fateh ali khan saheb.. don’t try to misguide us by who makes or not makes Money things.. .. Just Pray and Wish for them to Grow.. Recommend

  • Usman
    Dec 7, 2010 - 4:08PM

    This is ridiculous! Musharraf should worry about returning to Pakistan first (which does not look probable in near future) and then cry over refusal of visa to India or anywhere else. Recommend

  • Q
    Dec 7, 2010 - 4:31PM

    So much Indian interest in all Musharraf-related news items speaks volumes of how they feel. Long Live PM.Recommend

  • Dec 7, 2010 - 4:42PM

    @Yousaf: ‘whatsoever might be the outcome’? Yeah, so correct! More power to you and to your general.
    To everyone who’s been mentioning Balochistan: The Balochistan reference was allowed in by our dear Prime Minister Manmohan Singh who can’t see beyond the economy and the Gandhi family (no relation to MK Gandhi, mind you) so as to allow your PM to take away something from the meeting and face you. Have you ever heard us being spoken of in the same vein as regards Balochistan by the world community as they speak of your involvement n all terrorist activities in india and worldwide? Short of fighting a war with you, we can’t do anything to pay you back in the same coin. RAW’s capacity was destroyed a long time back by IK Gujral. And we wouldn’t win the war cause of our wimpish political leadership and ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-equipped, demotivated army who’s generals are busy filling in their own coffers. Heard of the 2G scam? The idiots scammed the country of as much as thrice our capital outlay on defence. Our obsolete equipment is no match for your shiny new american & chinese toys.Recommend

  • Dec 7, 2010 - 4:48PM

    @ Yasir: Great commentary! :)
    @ Kumar: I have made the same points as in your post. India’s many honest and talented people bring it honour and pride despite our craven leadership. By the way, pakistan exports Mangoes, Textiles, Terrorism, labour and security (last two to the Saudis). The pak bomb is actually a Saudi bomb with a Chinese design. What do they get in return? Madrasas and rabid ideology. Amazing how there is little terrorism in Saudia. They have exported it all. Their most famous son of the soil – Osama.
    @ Raquib; Do the work you are supposed to and we might one day be living in peace and friendship. Bangladesh has benefitted after it changed it’s outlook towards India under Sheikh Hasina. India played a silent role in rooting out the LTTE in Sri Lanka. Afghanistan, Burma, Bhutan etc are all reaping benefits. The path that Pakistan has embarked upon will only bring ruin and destruction. Another Mumbai like strike will result in a war – limited or not. india’s cold start doctrine is a no-go as pakistan may have just one rung on it’s nuclear threshold ladder but equally, nuclear blackmail doesn’t work beyond a point if the adversary can retaliate in kind. A tactical strike can invite a tactical strike or even a strategic strike on a major city. Is Pakistan willing to go there?

    Spoke to a defense expert quite a while back when we were having trouble with China. He said China instead of fighting directly may get Pakistan to strike. Indian contingency plans have changed am told after the North-Korean stunt.Recommend

  • Maryam
    Dec 7, 2010 - 4:57PM

    haha…funny….u r justifying y musharraf didnt get visa to india…
    people hate him so much , this is just a glimpse…u will get to knw the whole story in the times to come…Recommend

  • Dec 7, 2010 - 5:06PM

    @Suhail: Please start following world events and sports and your questions will be answered. What was your performance in commonwealth or the recent asiad? Your cricketers are fixers and there seems to be no fear of the law. A few indian cricketers tried it 10 years ago and never played again. North-east insurgency is funded by your godfather – China. Indian government is at fault as well though. How can it not be? It shares the same genetic make-up as the Pakistani government. and it’s not about sports alone. Take any field. Ah, you do have a famous scientist – a proclaimed offender and proliferator. Don’t take my word for it. Isn’t he under lock and key? No wonder countries are falling over themselves to offer you a civil nuclear deal!
    Oh, there are still indians who care about pakistan. Romantic fools and old foggies they are. The sooner they realise we are at war with a terrorist state that sends in armed desperados to kill innocents the better it would be for us. Ah, but you are not at war with us alone. You are at war with yourselves and the world. You are suffered by the world community and funded by it cause they do not want you to descend into chaos. Most of your sensible people are leaving your country. The Saudis and the Chinese of course are always ready with alms for you given their own nefarious agendas. They, along with the US are going to carve you up amongst themselves. Wait and see. Your country is a terrorist state. Don’t take my word for it. Just read newspapers, websites, watch television etc. There was a time when pakistan was supposed to be much better than india when it came to living standards. Not so any more. It is your blinkers that have done this to you. Again, you are not very different from us. Babur was supposed to have remarked that the people east of the hindu Kush were a conceited lot.
    Difference between us right now is that there are enough people in india who are looking outwards and upwards to a better life. It is equally true of Pakistan in an inverse manner!
    Not sure which all websites you have been trying to post to. Most credible news sites will carry your views unless they require extensive moderation.Recommend

    Dec 7, 2010 - 5:08PM

    @Mehta: Don’t Worry Dear Brother.. a Democracy is Like a child.. We learned and we are learning Gradually.. i Heard of All these Scams.. But just think That How they Came out if System is Not working.. look at the Fantastic way Judiciary System is working(SC comments).. We have this Somewhere Deep in Our Values that will Lead us to Grow Eventually and These Values Force Us to Always Think of, speak of and Work for peace.. From our PM to all Indians who write their views persistently about peace even after knowing that Peace Sounds Cowardliness to Many people in Pakistan.. And these Values Inspires us to dream not Only a prosperous India But a Prosperous Pakistan.. The Actual Hate is Not between India-Pakistan but between Good and Evil existing equally in both the countries.. And Our Values Says That it may take time but the Good will Finally win.. and at least you Understand this that these are not the things what we write or speak to seek attention, But it is Something we feel Deep Inside Our Heart and Soul.. Strength is Necessary for Peace.. But It Couldn’t Develop Mutual respect, Trust and Love.. And that Could Come Only when We Start feel Proud for this Instead of Being a Nuclear power which Leads Our Coming Generations and Humanity Nowhere..Recommend

  • Tony Singh
    Dec 7, 2010 - 5:09PM

    All talent is welcome in this country (so long as its not of distructive variety) and that includes yours ma’am.Recommend

  • ashok sai
    Dec 7, 2010 - 5:24PM

    He deserve that.Recommend

  • Riaz Butt
    Dec 7, 2010 - 5:42PM

    India and Nawaz Sharif cannot face Musharraf.Recommend

  • Mawali
    Dec 7, 2010 - 6:07PM

    Absolutely dead on! If there was one man from Pakistan who put the Indians in their place it was Musharraf.

    It is within their rights to refuse who ever they wish but a sudden refusal when the man has visited India on several occasions in the recent past is baffling.Recommend

  • sashayub
    Dec 7, 2010 - 6:10PM

    with due respect to you madam and the general….this piece you have written brings to mind the following questions:

    -what did Perv Musharraf do with the millions that were collected by his government on behalf of first the earthquake victims, and now the flood victims….can we have an independent audit of the account?

    -we and the ever-forgiving soil of this country, have had enough of his “barhaks” and dont want more him or his stooges in power (not they would ever manage if the voters are given a free option and polls are not rigged), so why is even wasting his energy on putting a party together? a preferred option for him would be to arrange a party for 18 crore population by announcing he will not enter the country or politics.

    -i also want to know why shehryar khan or dr. naseem ashraf were made the chairman of PCB by Perv Musharraf and how they were both never confronted by the general (being his personal friends) for the money they gave away to their own relations, in the name of consultancy fees et al?

    -and one last question for you madam! has your communications advisorship been granted to you as a THANK YOU for all your free announcer/moderation/entertainment visits to the presidency when Perv Musharraf was in power? because, from your piece above, it seems to be a sorry attempt to practice your hand at something for which you have no qualification!Recommend

  • Naveed Akhtar
    Dec 7, 2010 - 6:16PM

    I see plenty of Indians are reading Pakistan press. Need I say more?Recommend

  • Dec 7, 2010 - 7:18PM

    Nawaz and India can’t face Musharaff? Don’t know about Nawaz but we did stare Musharraf down in Kargil and then again at Agra. Your soldiers’ bodies are still somewhere up there in the icy heights. We buried many with honour (despite your torturing and then killing our soldiers) but to imagine that their country disowned them! Musharaff pleaded for a joint-statement at agra. It was here that he equated the terrorists sent in by you to freedom fighters. Well, i say the balochis, the pashtuns, the nwfp guys, the MQM guys are all freedom fighters too. Musharraf brought you to very, very close to disaster.

    You have no place in the comity of nations. You are simply supported cause you are a basket case. You are like a petulant child holding a gun to it’s own head in an effort to blackmail parents. Do you know why the chinese are there in POK and adjacent areas? They want to secure the route to central asia and the arabian sea before you guys go down the drain.

    Anyway, continue this discussion. Am opting out. Got work to do. News of blasts in Varanasi. over 20 hurt, including foreigners. More news awaited. Tourists attractions targeted.

    Here’s wishing that allah gives your leadership some sense.Recommend

  • Dec 7, 2010 - 7:20PM

    Oh, by the way Tony, already told the writer to come to Bollywood :) Doing a favour to Musharraf in the true Indian tradition.Recommend

  • Dec 7, 2010 - 7:23PM

    India is afraid of Musharraf? I hope you are kidding, ma’am. Mind it he is no more a serving General. And even when he was, being blunt doesn’t warrant excellent leadership skills.Recommend

  • J.Oberoi
    Dec 7, 2010 - 7:47PM

    Don’t know where the author is trying to go with this piece. It is lacks substance but for the fact that the author is an admirer of Musharraf. Good luck to her if she thinks he can make it back to power. Recommend

  • Dec 7, 2010 - 8:25PM

    Well what can i say about India.. Musharaf Or no musharaf… Pakistan has to keep an eye on India and its dirty business in Kashmir and Balochistan.Recommend

  • QB
    Dec 7, 2010 - 9:29PM

    Shamefull article. It would have made some sense if the article was written before the rejection of visa. I think Mr. Musharraf has brought shame for Pakistanis first by applying for this visa and than making silly excuses after not getting it.

    It is because of such leaders Pakistan is in such a difficult situation. InshAllah we have a leader in the shape of Imran Khan who when in power will take care of all the corruption and bring fugitives like Musharraf to justice.

    Some one please give Musharraf a Pakistani visa !!!!Recommend

    Dec 7, 2010 - 10:35PM

    Sorry couldnt figure out what the writer wanted to convey and why ET decided to publish it.Recommend

  • Dr Usman
    Dec 7, 2010 - 10:44PM

    I may not agree or only partially agree to what Uddho said but what inspired her to write this article is the denial of visa to general Musharraf which makes it well justified to write all this. Yes India denied the visa because they cant hear the truth and they dont allow for the freedom to speech. They as always keep their people in dark about the facts as part of the state policy. The people of India are so well talented but they just dont have access to the right information. I think India differs not much from china in the standards of democracy and its claims of largest democracy are unveiled in such situations.Recommend

  • Sri
    Dec 8, 2010 - 12:14AM


    Please spare us, India has every right to allow or deny visa that is our prerogative. Would you mind to explain why Mr.Musharaf wants to visit India but is staying away from his country of citizenship, a country which he ruled for about 9 years and been in its Armed services for well over 4 decades ?

    Gosh! I am tired of Pakistanis taking moral high ground and talking down to Indians.Recommend

  • Ali Haider
    Dec 8, 2010 - 12:32AM

    Musharraf did take on the Indian media really well. He was straightforward and said what he should have said. I am not a big fan of his but he really impressed me by being bold in front of the Indian press. He won over them. I am pretty sure this is the reason why they did not let him in this time. They did what they do best.

    They got afraid and started crying :) Recommend

  • saad malik
    Dec 8, 2010 - 1:05AM

    Well done ms atiqa. You are an asset for Pakistan. I have observed from the comments how much the Indians are obsessed with Pakistan. I want to give few reality checks to India. They should know what negative role they played in 1971, created Mukti Bahini to disintegrate Pakistan, denying the right of self determination to Kashmiris since 1947, involvement in Baluchistan, FATA unrest, struggle to create an anti Pakistan Afghanistan.

    Pakistan rightly taught india a lesson in 65 and 99. The biggest mistake we made that we spared india in 62 when china invaded india. It was a good gesture on our part but they never deserved.

    Dont forget the Indian Conclave 2008 where president Musharraf spoke on the challenge of change. He literally stripped off the Indians.

    have a look on all the parts and see.

  • Aftab Ch
    Dec 8, 2010 - 1:20AM

    I totally agree with Atiqa. Indians are afraid of Sir Musharraf, he is the only leader who is sincere with Pakistan and who can face the media of India and who can speak about Kashmir. Long Live Pervez MusharrafRecommend

  • Farhan Khan
    Dec 8, 2010 - 1:22AM

    To all above Mushi Haters, this is not an article!!! this is just a open letter to Musharraf from Atiqa!!!!!:PRecommend

  • Uzma
    Dec 8, 2010 - 2:19AM

    One has to admit that a lot of what the Indian contributors have said so far on current day Pakistan is correct, that Pakistan has failings on many counts and has deteriorated in all remits and fields over the last 20-30 years. However, Pakistan is learning from its mistake, it will have to. This dark period over Pakistan is now a wake-up call to be pro-active and to invest in the betterment of the country. After gloom there is always light. I fully believe that Pakistan will overcome this, and that it will make a quick shift away from medieval Saudi style Islam as well as its mindless aping of all things foreign. It MUST be proud and recognise its own assets and fully utilise them to the best of its ability. Only then when Pakistan shows it is a first-class player and fully believes in itself, will it ever be taken seriously. Pure rhetoric is not enough, Pakistan has to and will produce the results, its people are no less than anyone else, they just have not been invested in and have been neglected by the State for far too long. It will take a while but I am pretty hopeful Pakistan will rise as a more tolerant and more intellectually flourishing nation, for this to occur, piety will have to once again become a personal affair without interference from the state or abroad so that intellectual growth, analysis and debate is not hampered. Indians should be mindful that they are in no way a perfect utopia, and have a lot of ills, poverty, minority injustices as well, which they need to continue to improve, and so have no reason to feel superior or complacent. Recommend

  • vasan
    Dec 8, 2010 - 6:27AM

    Ha Ha ha; The country ruled by Musharraff has opened its arms to welcome him. But he does not want/cannot go there. But he wants to visit India to make money on his lecture tours. What a joke.Recommend

  • Kittu
    Dec 8, 2010 - 7:39AM

    @Saad Malik..

    You live in your small worls..You can verify the facts here about 65 and 99 wars..

  • khan
    Dec 8, 2010 - 8:12AM

    The chutzpah of old Fateh-Kargill never ceases to amaze me. His planned visit to India was likely due to an itch to stay in the headlines. It is time he took to playing golf, bridge and all the things retired generals do as they reminisce about missed opportunities and lost battles. . Recommend

  • ashok sai
    Dec 8, 2010 - 9:36AM

    Lead the pakistan people is next thing, first can he come to Pakistan and face all the trials against him ? Its an open challenge ?Recommend

  • Asad Baig
    Dec 8, 2010 - 9:54AM

    Excellent Article.Very Well Written.Recommend

  • Waqas
    Dec 8, 2010 - 10:13AM

    @ Mehta

    Your rabid comments have no end. I believe in your history books the Indians won all the wars against Arabs, Mongols, Mughals, English. Even 1857 war of independence was won by India right? Its time people like you grow up and show some maturity, I know this is a tough ask, but as chinese say ‘a journey of a thousand miles start with a single step”

    You continue living in that big bubble called ‘Great India, shining India’ while more than 50% of you populations languishes in utter misery, poverty, disease and slavery. And you have the guts to comment on a Pakistani web site? Shame on Indians like you, who have buried their head in the sand.

    Your obsession about Pakistan and Pakistanis continues, and no matter how much you yell that ‘we are not concerned about Pakistan and its people’ the fact is totally opposite. Let me make it clear for you, until you get your army out of Kashmir, give rights to your minorities and make an economic model which distributes wealth equally, you will have many more Kashmir, Nagalands, Naxalites and we will continue to support them in their struggle against the nexus of corporate and politicians. What India is reaping is of its own creation. You let the wounds like Kashmir fester and you will end up getting it amputated. The poison from these wounds is now appearing all over India, and will continue to do so, until you address the core issue. So who is to blame?

    The very fact that India has always been united under foreigner’s reign shows the immaturity of Indians, they cant even get together to rule their own country. You guys couldn’t be one country for thousands of years until Muslims and English came. Now you find it difficult to keep your country together and you create an image of a ‘monster Pakistan’ out to harm India. With this enemy-image you fool your common Indians to keep your divided country together. Mark my words, India is only united because of Pakistan. Without Pakistan you will have hundreds of rajas, ruling the roost just like you people have lived for thousands of years. Indians love to be enslaved, either its by their own people, or by foreigners. Now you guys are slaves of corporate India (people like Ambani who mock 1 billion indians by making a palace of USD 1 Billion) and your corrupt-to-the-core politicians. Best of luck!Recommend

  • Tony Singh
    Dec 8, 2010 - 10:27AM

    It is not in hands of Mushraff or for that matter any of Pakistan’s establishment to decide where they can or cannot go. The Saudi Masters decide that. Establishment only follow the dictatsRecommend

  • don
    Dec 8, 2010 - 12:48PM

    @saad malik “Pakistan rightly taught india a lesson in 65 and 99.”
    Ha ha who told u so? Yours madarsa books.Will you mention who ran away to washington for ceasefire in 99

    @Author In the entire article you have not mention the purpose of visit.I think your party is finding hard to digest the irrelevance of Musharraf in the pakistan politics.He just wanted to ruffle the feathers of the pakistan govt by making political statements in New delhi.The present pakistan Govt. should be thankful to Indian govt. for denying him the visaRecommend

  • Tony Singh
    Dec 8, 2010 - 1:15PM

    @Waqas. Grow up man! Take the blinkers off your eyes. Just keeping on harping how superior Pakistanis are will not get you anywhere. You have to convince that to the world. Don’t live in History. Even your “All weather friend” was an “opium nation” not so long ago. If not from us, atleast learn from them that only Economics works in this world. In all your comments, in any of the articles” you have nothing to say but bad mouth Indians. It shows how inferior you as an individual feel, and are envious of us confident Indians. (Now you will comment on 1984, Gujarat…as reply to this)Recommend

  • Raheel Butt
    Dec 8, 2010 - 1:19PM

    the fact she starts with politics and go all the way discussing economics of entertainment oriented export from Pakistan to India seems incoherent first…..

    but her affiliation with entertainment industry in the past and now with politics make this link obvious….it’s not very well executed in her writing though !!! ….never the less she does have a valid argument …

    i sympathies with nationalist sentiments of my pre-partition friends i.e. India is a sovereign country and can refuse entry to any one she wishes…nothing wrong with this per se ..but it sound Bollywoodish and less political and diplomatic savy…

    if India had nothing to gain out of his visit does not prove if she was afraid to lose something … but it does surely make sense to relate this indian foreign affairs policy in the region and assertions of Mush on that which are not new….so i think he should care less about india and india about him….Recommend

  • Yousaf
    Dec 8, 2010 - 1:25PM

    @abhishek You took my words out of context, where did I mentioned India? I am exclusively talking about Pakistan and People of Pakistan by uprising APML.

    You have wasted yours, mine & few other’s time. Recommend

  • ashok sai
    Dec 8, 2010 - 1:33PM


    “Now you guys are slaves of corporate India

    Yes, not like slaves of America, slaves of Arabia etc.

    Do you know, how many people in India got jobs because of Ambani ? Nevermind he lives in a palace or not, if so he deserves that. Not like your famous Generals leading a King’s lifestytle by sucking your blood out, wake up man.Recommend

  • Yousaf
    Dec 8, 2010 - 1:33PM

    Guys, if you want the true face of Indian Obsession towards Pakistan…checkout Times of India and the Comments of Indian Public on Pakistani News… Hilariously amazing.

    You will also understand that how mature they are, and in what world they live. Recommend

  • Sajjad Ali
    Dec 8, 2010 - 2:51PM

    Madam, when i watch Pakistani TV channels i see many Indian shows like Cofee with Karan, Big Boss, Chottay Usthad, Uthran, Office Office and almost all the Indian Film industry awards are telecasted on Pakistani channels.
    I think its a great loss of our talent and is also an economic loss to our country.
    And above all it is leaving its effects on our new and old generation’s minds.
    I had heard about the ban on Indian Channels but the cable operators are not following the directions of Supreme Court. I believe that not only the Indian channels but the indian shows should also be banned in Pakistan.
    I wanted to know your opinion and your plans on this issue as those in parliament don’t seem interested.
    Sajjad Ali, QuettaRecommend

  • J.Oberoi
    Dec 8, 2010 - 3:17PM

    @Waqas boo-hoo-hoo.. you seem to be hurting rather badly. Take a chill-pill mate and relax. Things can only get better from here and keep those posts short.Recommend

  • maera
    Dec 8, 2010 - 3:18PM

    @ waqas: great reply.

    what i don’t get it is that whether we are good or bad or worst, y do indians have to jump into every band wagon and tell every one how nice or developed or cultured or sophisticated they are. I am a regular reader of India times but i have never come across any Pakistani comment which is disrespectful in anyway to anyone. There fore for my indian friends all i have say is to BEHAVE…Recommend

  • ashok sai
    Dec 8, 2010 - 3:48PM


    Can you please post the link, you are not mentioning, what topic it was?Recommend

  • vasan
    Dec 8, 2010 - 4:32PM

    “Guys, if you want the true face of Indian Obsession towards Pakistan…checkout Times of India and the Comments of Indian Public on Pakistani News… Hilariously amazing. ”
    Yousef: It is as amazing and hilarious as the post by WaqasRecommend

  • Adi
    Dec 8, 2010 - 4:33PM

    its encouraging to see indians commenting on the site and not hacking it…hahahhahRecommend

  • Tony Singh
    Dec 8, 2010 - 5:21PM

    News headline “India refuses Visa to Mushraff” – Suggestion Buy a Pakistani one, its on sale.Recommend

  • amoghavarsha.ii
    Dec 8, 2010 - 6:04PM

    Dear Odho, don’t fool yourself that indians are afraid to face musharf. Did u know sonia is not approachable for one on one interviews by indian media. And musharf just trips on toes to give interviews and lectures in india. We understand ur anxiety of not getting a visa for your beloved party head, hopefully better luck next time. We don’t mind people coming here and making money with there PEACEFUL & HARMLESS talent. We don’t even crib if pakistan does not allow our talented people entry in pakistan, because we feel that is the potential of the person to penetrate……

    any way give musharf advice ” better luck next time “Recommend

  • Ivan
    Dec 8, 2010 - 6:13PM

    I think General Musharraf was a great leader and his frank discussions made people relate to him however Pakistan cannot afford to ignore India and comments by Musharraf recently show why he needs to be more diplomatic is certain cases when aspiring to be a great political leader. If one doesn’t get his way you can’t start posturing towards confrontation similar to threathening war as a military leader!!! Recommend

  • ashok sai
    Dec 8, 2010 - 6:14PM


    Attention all, maera warns all Indians to behave properly otherwise….

    Ding Tong : Maera is called by the President Zardari to protect him, as he fears for his life.

    Again reminding brothers, wherever there is a word ‘INDIA’, we will interfere.Recommend

  • Farhan
    Dec 8, 2010 - 8:59PM

    I wonder why our indian friends are taking it too seriously……(though equally Pakistanis are also making emotional comments)..whats the point..take it lightly friends ..come up with logical arguments directed to what is discussed here ….Recommend

  • harkol
    Dec 8, 2010 - 9:21PM

    Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

    India Being afraid of Musharraf when he is hated by most Pakistanis? He being this wise guy knowing what India is upto, while ‘elected feudal dictators’ not knowing?

    Got a stomuch pain laughing while reading this article. Will share it with all my friends so they too can have a hearty laugh!

    For this author’s information, India has been ruled for most of its independence by a ‘elected feudal’ at times dictatorial family. That didn’t make Indian army take control, neither did Indians accept such authoritarianism without protest for years.

    That in the end is the real problem – Army controlled Pakistan, and commentators who are brain washed to think of the army as the great savior of Pakistan against an evil called India. Recommend

  • salim
    Dec 8, 2010 - 9:38PM

    Atiqa, with dedicated people like you Musharraf is bound to succeed!Recommend

  • Dec 8, 2010 - 10:31PM

    So Musharraf should forget about India because our artists are vain? How about Musharraf, is he not vain in pretty much everything he has done since running away to the UK? He is quite the media hog. How about he does us all a favor and forget about Pakistan?Recommend

  • Anoop
    Dec 8, 2010 - 11:23PM

    “How come India didn’t have any problem on this issue when General Musharraf was invited to, and visited, India in the last few years?”

    –> Because he had forcefully dismissed an elected Prime Minister and assumed power. We invited Mushraff because of the same reason we allowed Myanmar’s ruling chiefs.

    “India has for several years taken the talent that it does not possess from us.”

    –> If a Jackie Chan or a Shakira or Kylie Minogue works in the US or performs at a concert or acts in a Hollywood movie does it mean that Hollywood is taking in the talent “it does not possess”?

    Another point. Hindi Film Industry is only a part of Indian Cinema. In fact, South Indian Cinema is thrice as big as Bollywood that your understanding of India restricts you from knowing. Even a much smaller Bollywood has enough space for hungry, out of work Musicians and Artists from across the borders.

    If you think India is taking the talent then Pakistan can do the same with India’s talent isn’t it. The fact is while there are a dozen Film Industries and Music Industries in India, most country have NONE! including Pakistan.

    That can only happen in vibrant societies where art, music and movies are respected and their practitioners loved. Recommend

  • Raj
    Dec 9, 2010 - 1:50AM

    Indians should say only one thing to paks:

    You keep doing what you have been doing for 63 years, we will keep doing what we have been doing for 63 years. Thumbs up!

    Pakistan is going places. LOL!Recommend

  • Kittu
    Dec 9, 2010 - 4:35AM

    Author doesn’t have a point in her article. Mixed every possible issue(Politics, arts, economy, Jobs) and in the end hailing Musharaf. And this non-sence article generated most comments. Recommend

  • Cherish Raj
    Dec 9, 2010 - 4:52AM


    The Ambanis, the Tatas, the Adanis etc, all made money in India, investing in the country’s people and resources. We do not want the Saudis, the Americans and the Chinese to stuff dollars into our pockets as compensation for ‘collateral damage’. Of course, you can enjoy the free lunch since your country has run out of options. You do not have to worry about India’s administration and her poor. And we know how you treat your Balochs, Suffis, Ahmedis,Hindus, Christians and the inhuman condition the Pakistani state has ‘gifted’ them after hollow and hypocritical promises like ‘You are free to go to your temples,churches….’. Recommend

  • omar
    Dec 9, 2010 - 6:16AM

    Mr Musharaf has screwed Pakistan to its depth. Indians would like him to continue to do that in stead of screwing around India.Recommend

  • Maryam
    Dec 9, 2010 - 11:49AM

    if mush wants to go ssumhwr , he sud come to pakistan…
    y sit in another country n let her spokes person defend her……..

    i feel sorry for him, poor guy, cant even come to pakistan…Recommend

  • maera
    Dec 9, 2010 - 12:26PM

    @ ashok sai .. lool chill mate , i mean no harm.. just a thought that i shared no need for sarcasm:)Recommend

  • Waqas
    Dec 9, 2010 - 1:13PM

    @ Ashok

    Indians have a long history of poking their nose in others business which is evident here. Your country could have attained great heights if you had kept your focus on your own development but alas, your obsession continues dragging you into the abyss.
    The India you are developing is a direct opposite to what Mr. Gandhi and Mr Nehru wanted; I have a lot of respect for your founding leaders, but their heirs are a huge disappointment and if the comments made by Indians here is reflective of your future, its very dark indeed. Recommend

  • ashok sai
    Dec 9, 2010 - 1:16PM


    Taken mate, lol.Recommend

  • Hassan
    Dec 9, 2010 - 1:29PM

    Get a life boys and girls do you think an article by an actress on a spent force like Musharraf is worth all this bickering. Recommend

  • Tony Singh
    Dec 9, 2010 - 2:15PM

    @Waqas. One way or the other we will prevail. Keep on cribing mate (it will not get you anywhere, anyway.). Recommend

  • ashok sai
    Dec 9, 2010 - 2:37PM


    What are you trying to say, i was just replying maera’s harsh comments in a lighter manner, for that he/she explained. I also agreed with him/her.

    Now tell me, what is your problem ?Recommend

  • Vamiq Maqbool
    Dec 9, 2010 - 3:41PM

    Ah! Little has changed. India remains obsessed with Pakistan, as is evidenced by the flood of ridiculous banter and 2-bit chest thumping being engaged in by our friends from across the eastern border. To limit the amount of trash here, perhaps should require a visa to allow Indians to post! Now that kind of visa denial would actually make a difference :-)

    As for Musharraf, India and the withheld visa, why is this a surprise? Can you blame the Indians? I mean, he goes riding in like the Mahmud of Ghazni’s Cavalry, rips them to shreds everytime, they get embarassed, failing to contain him despite their home ground advantage and all manner of planted audiences. Then, Youtube clips abound evidencing the verbal beatings meted out by the General to his hapless hosts. He goes there, lives large, smacks them around and exits… why would you blame them for trying to keep him out? :-)

    And as for the political implications, the very clear implication that India is infact scared 6783less of the General and has to resort to blathering, nonsensical excuses like the “Kargil war” to justify their visa tomfoolery, is in and of itself sufficient to hike President Musharraf’s popularity.

    No worries, General. The upshot of this is that you’ve been spared the picturesque views of and accompanying aromas emanating from Dharavi. Meanwhile, we’re keenly waiting to welcome you back to your beautiful home in Chak Shehzad. Pakistan Zindabad! Recommend

  • Waqas
    Dec 9, 2010 - 4:12PM

    For Tony, Ashok and other rude Indians!

    A: Maera was not harsh but factual. Read what some of you Indians have written: Thats rude and harsh!!

    B: Its really cozy in the fool’s paradise that you live in. I have no problem with it, continue living there.

    C: Obviously you’re not going to like what i say, as truth is always bitter; reality bites! But I just show you the mirror, I can’t help it if you don’t like what you see. Thats your problem not mine.

    D: You guys need to be taught how to respect others to command respect. If you’re going make harsh comment here and be rude to us, don’t expect roses in return. We will put you in your place, and pay you back in the same coin. Do not take our tolerance to be a weakness.Recommend

  • A-man
    Dec 9, 2010 - 5:07PM

    a must read for all my Indian brothers here.Recommend

  • Saad Durrani
    Dec 9, 2010 - 5:43PM

    Somebody was right. Put India in your topic and the circus does arrive.Recommend

  • Rehan
    Dec 9, 2010 - 5:50PM

    @Waqas :-

    Dude, go rest a bit :\ Seriously man…go have a sound sleep.Recommend

  • Umair Mallick
    Dec 9, 2010 - 6:41PM

    No point denying that Musharraf is a bold politician whose open statments regarding Indian involvement in Balochistan government gave choking hickups to the Indian government leading to barring his entry into the sacred country.

    I dont think Indians or Pakistanis need to argue about this. I do not have doubt either that Pakistan is also rightfully involved in Indian Occupied Kashmir. However, I dont think my indian brothers could justify anyway Indian involvement in Waziristan, Balochistan or other terrorist acitivties inside Pakistan.

    It is unfortunately the governments and corrupt, manuplulative rulers who carry on adding fuel to the fire in these coflicts instead of resolving them. They do every possible effort to keep the public engaged in such debates and take maximum political personal advantages. Not to forget involvement of international players in these games…

    I personally think neither indian public nor pakistani public would like to see such conflicts going. I would rathe think that people wish to get together and progress rather than stay split in such miserable, non productive conflicts and arguments. Remaining obsessed with speculations, false blames and exagerations will never do good to anyside of the border.
    Shame to peopple who believe otherwise.

    One last thing: Musharraf derserves all the respect and praise more than any other politician or ruler in Pakistan!Recommend

  • J.Oberoi
    Dec 9, 2010 - 7:06PM

    “Your country could have attained great heights…”. @Waqas, yeah I know what you mean. Shame isn’t it? India is languishing while Pakistan is posting 9% growth year after year. You know what they say – reap what you sow. But I am confident that one day we’ll attain the growth that Pakistan is enjoying. Until then all we can do is look up at you in awe.Recommend

  • J.Oberoi
    Dec 9, 2010 - 7:14PM

    @Saad Durrani, too right. Where there are clowns, the circus can’t be too far behind.Recommend

  • Dec 9, 2010 - 8:10PM

    If ,

    India is afraid of Gen Musharraf, and
    Musharraf was/is so popular in Pakistan that he received more votes than polled in the referendums that he held,


    Why did his party lose the elections in Pakistan, and
    Why is he not going to Pakistan, instead of asking for a visa to visit India.
    I am sure he can go to Pakistan without seeking a visa first.
    One more thing I would like to know, who is more popular, Gen Musharraf, or father of the atom ‘bum’ Dr Q?Recommend

  • Waqas
    Dec 9, 2010 - 9:42PM

    Rightly said Oberoi…
    Glad we agree on something at least…i.e. the quality and quantity of Indian clowns, which is evident on this web site as well :-) We will recommend Indians for Noble prize of tom-foolery and wish u Clowning glory ;-) You deserve it…Recommend

  • Khalid Kamal
    Dec 9, 2010 - 11:39PM

    Atiqa very simple & logical. I agree with you.Recommend

  • Umair Mallick
    Dec 10, 2010 - 1:07AM

    surprised my comments have not been published… any ideas why?Recommend

  • Dec 10, 2010 - 1:55AM

    My comments not posted. Showed up pakistanis for what they are.Recommend

  • Ishaq Jangua
    Dec 10, 2010 - 8:26AM

    Dear Musharraf – denial by India is your win. India had no answer to your truthful arguements. Refusal to your entry was the only option for the coward the Indian government.Recommend

  • Ritam
    Dec 10, 2010 - 3:23PM

    How many more deaths must it take to look away from India and interrogate what is happening in Pakistani socirty. It guts me to see wailing innocent faces every week on Pakistan TV.
    And you still defend corrupt battle hawks like Musharraf who had the opportunity to change society but only brought the two nations to the verge of a war?

    If you want Musharraf again you’re regressive and delusional.Recommend

  • Nadeem Zafar
    Dec 10, 2010 - 3:53PM

    One thing that I have always felt about Pervaiz that he enjoys quality following..not just like quantity following like his opponents. But, what matters in our ‘democracy’ is quantity, as Allama Iqbal said: Jamhooryat wo nizaam e hakumat hay jis main, damaghon ko gina kartay hain..tola nahe kertayRecommend

  • Satyameva Jayate
    Dec 10, 2010 - 7:11PM

    This is the first time I am coming to the Tribune website and found it apologizing for the Fake Wikileaks about India. At least it had the cojones to do it. As to your article Ms. Odho, I am really sad to see you propagate myths and dont back any of your arguments with facts.

    The fact is that India really does not want to increase its territory ( we have problems with the existing anyway). India is trying to break away from the traditional drudgery of South Asian economics by building strong economic foundations. We just care about our growth and a peaceful life ( without the threat of any pakistani origin terrorism).

    The Pakistani press dare say anything about the Pakistani Army. Unfortunately they should realize that the Pakistani Army infact is the problem with Pakistan.

    Three decades of Islamic Indoctrination post Zia have left Pakistan with nothing but a vast wasteland of Madrassas where nothing but Koran is taught. What practical life use will Koran or for that matter other Religious texts have. It was good at that time to breed an army based on attack on Islam but now the Lunatics have started running the Asylum. Where are the institutions, the solid foundations of a democracy?

    Pakistan is based on support from Saudi and USA for its survival. You think Saudi is a role model but do know that the Arabic Culture ( and their oil wealth) are vastly different from South Asia. The problem is that Pakistanis are pretending that their history did not exist before Mohammed Bin Qasim.

    Why does not Musharraf try to go to Pakistan. What is it about Pakistan that one time rulers have to seek asylum in the west or Saudi. What is that Pakistan is full of pirated Bollywood DVDs.Recommend

  • saad malik
    Dec 10, 2010 - 7:59PM

    @ don

    It was vajpaye who ran to clinton to beg ceasefire in 99……….get ur facts rite dudeRecommend

  • Dec 10, 2010 - 10:05PM

    @Saad Malik

    Facts for you, can we have something on Vajpayee running to America pl.
    As the Indian counter-attacks picked up momentum, Pakistani prime minister Nawaz Sharif flew to meet U.S. President Bill Clinton on July 4 to obtain support from the United States. Clinton rebuked Sharif, however, and asked him to use his contacts to rein in the militants and withdraw Pakistani soldiers from Indian territory. Clinton would later reveal in his autobiography that “Sharif’s moves were perplexing” since the Indian Prime Minister had travelled to Lahore to promote bilateral talks aimed at resolving the Kashmir problem and “by crossing the Line of Control, Pakistan had wrecked the [bilateral] talks.”[67] On the other hand, he applauded Indian restraint for not crossing the LoC and escalating the conflict into an all-out war.[68]

    G8 nations supported India and condemned the Pakistani violation of the LOC at the Cologne summit. The European Union also opposed Pakistan’s violation of the LOC.[69] China, a long-time ally of Pakistan, insisted on a pullout of forces to the pre-conflict positions along the LoC and settling border issues peacefully. Other organizations like the ASEAN Regional Forum too supported India’s stand on the inviolability of the LOC.[66]

    Faced with growing international pressure, Sharif managed to pull back the remaining soldiers from Indian territory. The joint statement issued by Clinton and Sharif conveyed the need to respect the Line of Control and resume bilateral talks as the best forum to resolve all disputesRecommend

  • kalim
    Dec 11, 2010 - 11:13AM

    @ writer
    ma’am i m great fan of yours in reel life…
    cant you focus over there…
    please spare this side of yours i will be grateful…Recommend

  • majid maqsood
    Dec 11, 2010 - 5:10PM

    its flattery of Musharraf!Recommend

  • Jerry
    Dec 13, 2010 - 10:34AM

    Dear Madam,

    Throw away, your out dated policies.. towards Indians : Enjoy the merits of globalization. Let your future generation to enjoy the freedom.

    Look at India for the good things, their ability to compete globally. Ignore the bad ones you find there. A country of many religions living peacefully. we are not killing each other on daily basis. Your bombs will never help your teenagers. Give them good education food and peaceful home atmosphere instead of AK 47 and bombs. Instead of making homemade bombs, make toy motors. That will help for a bread.

    You should have talented leaders at least from the very bottom level of ……. Who is Musharaf? A world leader?.

    What would you have to offer for Kashmir’s? think of that.

    Because of India’s tolerance you are surviving. Don’t forget that!!

    Lot of Qualified Pakistanis outside are afraid to back home. You make a survey with your expatriate (non resident) population, how peacefully Indians and Pakis are living together. Normal Pakistanis are not looking for your dust bin policies. They need to be like their Indian brothers.

    Stop your fools literature and injecting fools heaven to the peace loving people in the modern world. Come and see India’s prosperity in the Rural areas.

    Good LuckRecommend

  • Feb 3, 2011 - 1:30PM

    And this is just Hilarious and pointless.Recommend

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