Pakistan, India trade warnings as two more die in border clashes
There has been heavy mortar shelling and firing from Indian security forces across the LoC and working boundary for over a week now. Thirteen Pakistanis have been killed so far as the two countries continue to trade fire.
In latest ceasefire violation, Indian Border Security Force (BSF) reportedly fired mortar shells into Narowal.
While, seven civilians have died in India, regional police chief Rajesh Kumar told AFP that firing from both sides had continued into the early hours of the morning.
Pakistan, India trade warnings
India's defence minister on Thursday warned Pakistan to stop shelling in Kashmir, after some of the worst cross-border violence hit the disputed region in years.
"If Pakistan persists with this adventurism, our forces will make cost of this adventurism unaffordable for it," Arun Jaitley told journalists in New Delhi.
"Pakistan should stop this unprovoked firing and shelling if it wants peace on the border."
Jaitley justified the Indian firing by saying his country had a "duty to defend its people", as he accused Pakistan of trying to "precipitate tension where none exists".
Following Indian defence minister's statement, Defence Minister Khawaja Asif firmly said, “Pakistan has the ability to reply to Indian aggression.”
"We do not want the situation on the borders of two nuclear neighbours to escalate into confrontation," he added.
"India must demonstrate caution and behave with responsibility," said Asif.
PM summons National Security Committee
Further, the prime minister has convened a meeting of the National Security Committee on October 10 to discuss the recent ceasefire violations by India at the Line of Control and Working Boundary.
Earlier, adviser to Prime Minister on National Security and Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz expressed his deep concern over the recent ceasefire violations at the Line of Control (LoC) and working boundary by the Indian security forces.
“For seven days now, the Indian security forces have been firing and shelling across the LoC and working boundary,” Aziz said in a statement.
"Yesterday was Eid day but the Indian forces, in complete disregard of the festive event, carried on the firing and put four innocent lives to death," he added.
Aziz said it was sad that the Indian government had not been able to restrain its forces despite strong diplomatic protest by Pakistan. “We call upon the Indian government to immediately cease fire and shelling and help us preserve tranquility,” he said.
He said the government of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif had extended a hand of friendship to India. “However, with abrupt cancellation of foreign secretary level talks, the Indian side has shunned all our peace overtures,” he said, adding that Pakistan was exercising utmost restraint and responsibility.
Aziz, however, hoped that the Indian side would give peace a chance. “Ceasefire at the LoC and the working boundary must be preserved in the larger interest of the region and the people of the two countries.”
CM Punjab says Pakistan does not want tension in the region
Punjab Chief Minister Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif visited the CMH Sialkot on Thursday and inquired the condition of those who got injured by unprovoked firing of Indian forces.
The chief minister termed Indian firing on innocent citizens a cowardly and condemnable act, adding that Pakistan Army was fully capable of responding to Indian aggression.
“Pakistan does not want tension in the region,” he said. “The whole nation stands beside our valiant soldiers.”
Shahbaz sympathized with the injured and also offered them financial assistance.
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Do you really know that Pakistani Army has fled from their post as Indian army intensified their firing. We can say that Pakistan became a failed state in the world now. Mr Jinnah was wrong to demand for a separate state. He was a foolish person and only want to become Prime Minister of Pakistan. He has no interest to make Pakistan a good, develop and prosper country like India. @faisal:
Indian Govt has given Rs 10,000 Crore as relief to Kashmiri People as they suffered from recent flood but at the same time and for the same reason Pakistani Govt has given only 16 Crore to the POK'S kashmiri people. So people of Kashmir which is occupied by Pakistan are deprived from their right. If they were on the Indian side, they may have been properly benefited from Indian Govt. So better luck next time to our dear POK's kashmiri people. asked more from Pak Govt and don't live like a mujahir.
@Mc: Another illogical comment. Imran khan does not support them. Where are you getting all these gossips from.
@Pakistaniat: So you are saying that India supports TTP. Well Imran Khan also supports them. That makes him an Indian. See the mayhem he has made in Pakistan and a majority of the popluation of Pakistanis is with him
@mansoor khan: "India the only Hindu nation has been bullying all its neighbours for decades and needs to be wiped out sometimes very soon. Typical hindu mentality!"
That's what you have been trying for last one week. I am sure if this continues, you will loose half of what's left and still be crying "Kashmir...Kashmir.." And BTW India is not a "Hindu Nation".
@Roshan: And Indians have one reason to start the adventure in Kashmir. To reduce pressure on their brothers in arm in Waziristan.
@Aseem: Sound and mature argument. That made me laugh. Please look at the comments from Indian trolls and judge by yourself that whether these are mature comments. Allegations after allegations with no proof. Just hot air. Sorry I don't want to waste my energy in responding to illogical comments.
@pakistani: ET = Indian propaganda media…
this is the bet thing to do, shoot the messenger, gag the media. Anyone with counter opinion is a RAW agent. SAFMA, GEO TV, and the most respected journalists have been blamed as RAW agent. What surprizes me that a sizeable number of Pakistanis do not support democracy, difference of opinion and free media. There are many Indians who visit this site and post their opinion but instead of countering their opinion, ET gets blamed.
Above Roshan has given 6 points as to why Pakistan will initiate cross border firing and in response Haider has given one reason why India will violate cease fire.I read somewhere else that gives another reason why india will initiate firing and that is to polarize the votes in the coming state assembly elections.
If readers indulge in sound and mature arguements rather than emotional rants, this can serve as a wonderful plateform for peace and change.
Pakistan lost its credibility due to its actions in past and nobody trust them.
ET = Indian propaganda media...
@ISKRANA: Don't know when you were born or how old you were in the 70s...but, if India wanted, it could have easily annexed Bangladesh back then. Millions of refugees were pouring into India after facing rape and torture from the 'brave' Pakistani soldiers. India had West Bengal and East Bengal would have been a natural fit. The trouble started when Pakistani military refused to honor the election results which saw Sheikh Mujibur Rahman emerge as the victor. Go and read your own newspapers and understand what a havoc Pakistani military has wreaked on the Baluchis. I am just surprised you haven't blamed India for Imran and Qadri's ongoing drama - which in reality would not be possible without military's tacit support. India does not need to meddle in Pakistan's internal affairs...Pakistani military does it very well.
@Chachoo: Let us review the record of Pakistani military - 1) Osama was found (and killed) in Pakistan - supposedly hiding in plain sight - right across from Pakistan's military academy. 2) When Vayjpeyee was hugging Sharif in Lahore, Pakistani military went ahead and occupied the heights in Kargil 3) Indian plane was hijacked to Kandahar and the prisoners that were swapped still roam spewing venom in Pakistan. 4) Back in 1971, when Mujibur Rahman won the elections, he was jailed by Pakistani military and started butchering the innocents and civilians resulting in creation of Bangladesh 5) In 1965, the Pakistani elements tried to foment trouble in Kashmir with hopes that Kashmiris will rise up in rebellion.
These are some examples of duplicitous conduct of Pakistani military. As a matter of fact, it is the Pakistani military that has single-handedly prevented normal trade, commerce, travel and tourism between India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.
So, believe it or not, it is the Pakistani military which is a rogue organization, causing all this trouble. Why? Strategically, they want to maintain, preserve and increase their influence in the political affairs of Pakistan. Imran and Qadri drama is fading, so this the new tactic.
and...........nothing will come out for this.. and we kashmirs will suffer most... please free kashmir
I saw indians spewing venom against Pakistan and ET has been thoroughly biased against Pakistani commentors by denying them right of speech in THEIR OWN COUNTRY. This is a serious matter ET. BUT My fellow Pakistani commentors gave decent replies unlike indian bullies. PROUD OF YOU (PAKISTANI commentors).
Pak army zzindabad
Where is the sovergnity of this country. From west we are attacked by drones and from east we are attacked by rockets and shells. If Pakistan has become so weak to defend its soil then is qaum ka Allah hi hafiz hay. Sorry state of affairs.
Strange all these gentlemen commenting probably have not visited borders or LAC. Pls just visit , and have the feel, and then comment. Just talk to mothers or wives of soldiers fighting at border on both sides. Easy to comment while sitting on couch. Apart can anyone from Pakistan tell how many soldiers apart from Muslims are part of Pakistan's strong Democratic army has... And how many soldiers of different religions( Muslims,Sikhs,Christians..others) are in Indian so called notorious forces.... Question is Indian army has strong Muslim force in its army, so how is it possible that Indian army won't respect holy eid. Sweets were distributed in all Indian army regiments where even one Muslim soldier is there.
Political aspirations, Political games, Political gains .... Armies fight - Civilians plight ... Its obvious - its not about Kashmiris, its not about Afghans, its not about principles, its not about humanity, its not about peace ! Nations play `war' dancing to the tunes of a handful manipulators, while the population on both sides either watch helplessly or spew verbal venom blaming each other. If the larger numbers think calmly and act calmly - choose the right leaders with the right thinking to represent them at the negotiation table, there is no issue in this world that cannot be amicably resolved. This is not idealism but the sole solution in realism. Co-exist, Co-operate and Grow Together should be the mantra for a Better Tomorrow !
Tribune! The comment section has 3:1 ratio of Indian readers versus Pak readers. Please remember that ratio in Tribune Voting above when asking for opinions of Pak readers. We Pak readers know that public poll here is actually "Indian poll" not "Pak poll" about such issues. Pak would never say: "Recent border skirmishes will resolve itself".Same way: Indians would never let "UN be as Guarantor of peace" between the us. Now look back at the poll, you will see what's going on. Pak readers must know this fact.
@Haider: Why should India deviate you attention when your PM and COAS say it is winning. We are with you if you can achieve it. Please please just do not take out bad Taliban (TTP) and leave the good Taliban (Haqqani Network).
Even Kashmiris voted in the last Assembly and will also vote again shortly. So your point?
@ISKRANA: if there are any terrorists then it is the indian forces which are being radicalised under Hindutva agenda under Modi's leadership. He has only given aggression orders because he wants to win local assembly elections in maharashtra and delhi
Both the countries have countless issues (mentioned below) which needs immediate attention from respective governments; Poverty illiteracy Poor health services Corruption Law & order Infrastructure But still they have all the time and resources to bomb poor villagers (living around the boarders) who are already suffering. I think enough of Govt. crap (from both sides) since over 6 decades now, its high time they should set their priorities right.
I think war is not solution both side the civilian has been targeted n both side want to be an peaceful atmosphere
for a moment, reading thru the comments here, I had to double check if I were reading a Pakistani newspaper or Indian. In the comments sections on other media outlets as well I find more indians posting that Pakistanis. whats up?
Too many anti-Pak people commenting here again showing biased opinion
Both sides shoiuld immediately stop the meaning less firing across the border
please both the sides nuke each other and commit suicide
Is this Govt tactic to divert attention from people calling 'Go Nawaz go'?
Yippee. Pakistan has a defense minister...
The Pakistani troops have started this,and Indian troops are now given the power to retaliate in the way they want(Total freedom) and now Pak leaders have gone mad due to high destruction their side due to the 'raining mortars from our side', Their leaders say they we will take back Kashmir,but their is strong protest going on the Pakistani side of Kashmir.LOL. Dann me mein mila desh pe Garv mat Karo. Kashmir kya loge hum to pura Islamabad jala ke rakh kar denge. It will become unaffordable for you all. Proud of Indian Army.
Unprovoked firing from whom. Pakistan has lost bangladesh and their army shamelessly surrendered in Bangladesh, yet they dream of regaining Kashmir. Hardly any leader is bothered about welfare of people. All of them prefer to deposit their illicit wealth in foreign accounts and love rave parties, drugs wines and girls.
@ajeet: Stop making baseless accusation. What proof do you have. The simple truth is that your brothers in waziristan are losing the war and you want to shift Pakistan attention towards Kashmir. Losers
pakistan army punches above it's weight,once it gets out of control, they send their civilian govt to Washington for firefighting...as it happened in 1965,1971,kargil...this won't be any different ...their defence minister crying in front of americans now
India is a very developing country and literacy rate is also going higher but they have same pathetic thinking about Pakistani's, they are not only attacking at the border but also trying to destabilize Pakistan internally as Taliban are always caught with Indian rocket launchers and other machine guns.
About 43 years ago India had snatched Bangladesh and separated it from Pakistan and now time has come that Baluchistan should be separated from Pakistan. So people of Baluchistan be prepare for your freedom from failed state of Pakistan as Indian are coming to free you and become a free country like Bangladesh. @Pity:
About 43 years ago India had snatched Bangladesh and separated it from Pakistan and now time has come that Baluchistan should be separated from Pakistan. So people of Baluchistan be prepare for your freedom from failed state of Pakistan as Indian are coming to free you and become a free country like Bangladesh.
@Fareed: Fareed my brother, please do one thing, Kindly take all your Afghan refugees from Pakistan and ask your security forces to strengthen patrolling in the border areas. If you can do both, your problem will be solved.
@Indiancheif: Until unless imran khan and qadri will not become prime minister...
...and we insist that while Qadri becomes PM of the region east of Indus, Imran be made the PM of the western side. We have to maintain a safe distance between Imran Khan and the urbanized girls/women. Pakistan cannot look after orphans popping up everywhere Imran goes.
Jemima has also clearly said she cannot adopt more than 69.
God please save pakistan. This will be dengerous for pakistan, if pakistan keeps firing. India is very strong counrty, Mr.Defence Ministerof pakistan please don't comment this. India is strong, Pakistan can't sustain more than 5 days in war. And even Afgan is on the other side.
Who is Khawaja Asif? I thought all defence issues in Pakistan were handled by the Army. My advise to Khawaja Asif and the Army is first to do independent research into the military might of India and then indulge into Rambo style adventure. In the West the military comparison of India and Pakistan is freely available and my advise to Pakistan is that if you go beyond acceptable limits than you should expect either Pakistan or India to disappear from the map. The West knows who will be removed. I have given these military comparison in the past but ET decided to censor them I wonder if they think their readers are illiterate.
It is said that there are 5000 to 7000 terrorist on the Pakistani ground waiting to cross over but the BSF are not allowing them. Although Pakistani rangers are covering them with firing but they are losing the battle.
When India offerred sweets on Eid, Pakistan refused to accept and continued with firing killing many civilian men, women and children. Now the Indian security forces have been given full freedom to return the fire, casualties are bound to happen. Its sad but a reality. India has no reason to violate ceasefire but Pakistan has many reasons like - 1. To help infiltrate trained militants in order to create violence in the forthcoming J&K Assembly elections. 2. To keep the Kashmir issue alive. 3. To convey to the world that Kashmir is a burning issue. 4. To get an opportunity to take the matter to UN and draw world attention. 5. To force India to initiate dialogue on Kashmir issue. 6. To deviate the attention of nation from Imran Khan's agitation. Pakistan must need to relook its policy of keeping the LoC on fire.
I trust Pak Army will teach heavy Lesson to Modi's Mind Set regarding Pakistan
Better both countries go to a final war. No use fighting these proxy and irritating wars. Either live peacefully or go to an all out war. Damage each other as much as you can so that the remaining population and the world at large can live in peace afterwards. Please empty all your nuclear war heads over each other. Best will be for India to cross border now and hit the terrorist hideouts. Let Pakistan fire the first nuclear bomb and then as many as possible from both sides. This world deserve a nuclear Holocaust and Pakistan off the world map.
@ajeet: Pakistan Army did not start any violations. No Army will ever take the risk to do such act when they know majority of their recruits are out on Eid Holidays. On every Eid Occasion Indian military always resort to firing. On Eid Ul Fitr as well Indians did the violations. So stop playing the victim card here. You are the aggressor and it is not the first time that you fired on Muslim occasions just to provoke the situation in this region.
@Fareed: Pakistanis dont expect any Word of Honor, Respect and Thanks from Afghans but dont worry Pakistan is here to stay and you will keep on whining all the time.
A small note to ET:: Indian outlets are just spewing hatred and all so called Moderate News channels of Pakistan including Express tribune are not approving the comments of Pakistanis but the news outlets like yours are always ready to approve all the comments of Indians and Afghans on this forum. Kindly make your priorities straight. Indian media is united in this case while Pakistani ( Karachi Based ) media is even trying to divert the attention of Pakistan on this important issue as well.
Fareed,
While we would like to think of Afghanistan as a brotherly country, the reality is that your government is works in tandem with India. The Afghan government is giving sanctuary to TTP terrorist Fazlullah. Pakistan has every right to take action against a territory sheltering TTP.
We also reserve the right to send back the millions of Afghan refugees currently in Pakistan. Out of a population of 180 million, we have nearly 5 million Afghans. No other country in the world has suffered refugees like this.
Pakistan will do well to restrain its violent militia from attacking its neighbours. Afghanistan has been ruined by Pakistan's intent to capture it. Today India is going to retaliate hard. maybe now the message to Pakistan will go through.
Live in your means Pakistani brothers. The world is now sick of stories that Pakistan is a victim. Once it gives up trying to conquer or convert, Pakistan will be a different country
@Fareed:
Well said Fareed. Pakistan will do well to restrain its violent militia from attacking its neighbours. Afghanistan has been ruined by Pakistan's intent to capture it. Today India is going to retaliate hard. maybe now the message to Pakistan will go through.
Live in your means Pakistani brothers. The world is now sick of stories that Pakistan is a victim.
Army is a professional force , not a religious force . they are there to defend country , not to defend festival named eid . We also have no regard for such festival when it comes to country .
“Yesterday was Eid day but the Indian forces, in complete disregard of the festive event... " FYI Pak army started firing on Dusherra day, please mention this tiny little detail as well.
Just few related article to prove pakistan deserve what they get now!
http://www.afghanistantimes.af/news_details.php?id=8712&&cid=3
http://www.khaama.com/pakistani-military-fires-61-more-rockets-in-kunar-province-8507
http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2014/05/31/pakistani-troops-fire-862-rockets-into-kunar.html
Both sides must look into why such incidents happen time and again. India says Pakistan tries to infiltrate terrorists into Kasmir valley by giving cover fire to them. Pakistan says India started it first and they are retaliating. Sentiments are high on both the sides. It is now duty of peace loving and rational citizens to ensure that the sentiments do not go out of hand to create ugly situation.
Why have u not mentioned how many Indians have lost their lives???? And just stop pretending innocence.
on both sides civilian are targeted ... Let both the Army face each other in broad battle field.. Why Civilian?
Until unless imran khan and qadri will not become prime minister we will keep attacking,, London Plan.
Pakistanis are worried about Eid, then why did they do shelling on Dusshera?
What is being seen on the LoC is what happens when both armies are given free reign.
While as an Afghan I condemn such actions and feel sorry for the victims but lets not forget that for 3 years pakistani militaries fired thousands of rockets into Kunar and Noristan provinces. Poeple lost their loved ones and was forced to leave their homes and villages.. I never heard any condemnation from mustlims in Pakistan and even they made fun of Afghans who warned them that it may be escalated and would be a disaster for both coutnries. Allah u Akabar that means Allah is great and shows pakistanis what they have been doing to their muslim brothers in Afghanistan and the right time has come for Pakistani to learn their lesson by those who they call Kafirs.
Killing people on both sides of the border is pathetic and disgusting because in the end humans are being killed not Pakistanis or Indians. Mr Jaitley's remarks show that as usual it is unwise to expect India to show sanity.
If Pakistan stops infiltration on EID, there would not be any Indian retaliation. And Pakistan too should respect Hindu festivals..
Please both side stop this nonsense !