As a Pakistani, however, I am much more concerned about the manner in which the debate unfolded in Pakistan. Last year, I spoke at a conference where I opined that one of the foremost existential crises of Pakistan is that it still imagines itself as ‘Not India’, and therefore, is unable to chart out its own identity and feel comfortable about it. The plethora of references to the Partition and the Two-Nation Theory in the aftermath of the Indian elections are proof enough for this syndrome. At a level, isn’t it ridiculous that a country which has been in existence for nearly 67 years is pointing out after a party won an election in a neighbouring country that ‘see, I have a reason to exist!’ After 67 years it is rather sad for anyone to even mention this, I think. Pakistan’s existence now should not, and cannot, be tied to India’s existence or whatever happens in India.
At a recent conference I hosted at Forman Christian College on Pakistan’s ‘Creation and Consolidation’, Professor Sharif alMujahid made a very important point about the Two-Nation Theory. He argued that after the creation of Pakistan, Jinnah began talking about a Two-Nation Theory based on the new nations of India and Pakistan, not Muslims and Hindus. After all millions of Hindus and Christians were a part of Pakistan, and similarly millions of Muslims had become citizens of India. If Jinnah had stuck to the older notion, then minorities in both countries would have been disenfranchised immediately leading to obvious problems. Treating both countries on an equal footing as new and independent nations was, and is, the only way forward.
The notion of treating citizens of India and Pakistan, regardless of religion as full citizens of their respective countries was also the central tenet of the Nehru-Liaquat pact of 1950. Speaking on the issue Liaquat Ali Khan noted: “…that enjoyment of these [fundamental] rights is guaranteed to all minorities and…that members of the minority communities have equal opportunity with members of the majority community to participate in public life, hold political and other offices…the allegiance and loyalty of the minorities is to the state of which they are citizens and it is to the government of their own state that they should look for the redress of their grievances. The reiteration of his concept has been found to be necessary because much political and communal mischief in both countries is the result of a failure to recognise this basic principle.’ This, indeed, was the new ‘Two-Nation’ theory which we must adhere to.
Published in The Express Tribune, June 7th, 2014.
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I believe that the Indian national identity is much more spacious and accommodating than Pakistan's. That is probably the reason why a multitude of Muslims wished to stay in India rather than migrating to Pakistan.
You have pointed out how we are "Not-Indian" than what are we? An amalgam of Sindhi, Balochi, Punjabi and Pathan (and the latest additions Kashmiri and Balti)? Over the course of 3 wars with India, the army has managed to rally the people under a common banner, of course, survival is the biggest motivation.
But If we ever wish to gaze into the future, we must look Westward. Our both countries' ultimate fate lies is SAARC, just like the European Union. We must not only set aside our differences, but respect our similarities.
@Zeeshan: Why does it matter? The newspaper is on internet and he can visit any website he likes, why do you care?
I find it hard to believe that Jinnah was secular. If he was, can any Pakistani explain why he tried to impose Urdu over the then East Pakistan ?
@all
I think Rex Minor is an adult with the mental age of 12. A true 'minor' indeed
@Ali Tanoli:
Dear brother Ali Tanoli, what in the world have you just typed in?!
@Rex Minor: You have been repeatedly challenged to substaniate your absurd theory that middle east was cradle of the civilisation and you have never been able to do so. Give it a rest.
@Rex Minor ''but his articles attract mostly Indians who start communicating among themselves putting some of the deluded theories about their own history and culture...'' and a Minor insists on gatecrashing a sane discussion of adults with his wild theories...
It is very strange and ironic that the history teaching author Khan Bangash is concerned about the reaction of his fellow Pakistani citizens to the events in the reigion, and expresses this in his articles but his articles attract mostly Indians who start communicating among themselves putting some of the deluded theories about their own history and culture, not even recognising that the modern homo sapiens migrated to East from the middle east, the cradle of civilisation and not from East towads Europe. I should have thought that the author could atleast be kind enough to express his unbiased position on History.
Rex Minor
@Chacko Cherian Calicut: bang on Mr Chako Cherian. It is great entertainment and also educational. I keep following with great intent Pakistan electronic and print media for three reasons:- 1. It gives me great happiness and satisfaction when I read English print media and notice that majority of column writers and editorials are so balanced, prudent and full of well read people who are speaking in the larger interest of Pakistan and its people. It kindles great hope in the bright future of Pakistan. Same is with watching great discussions on TV. 2. It is pure entertainment to watch/ read rants of fundamentalists declaring Pakistan as center of universe, Warrior of Islam wielding atom bombs, Leader of Ummah etc. It is interesting to see that how so many people are hung up with proving who is more Muslim than the other, sadly not in spirituality and good deeds but in rituals like length of pajama, fatwas, justification of madarsas, Pakistan ka matlab kya, the land of pure etc. 3. And most important as writer has said "existential crises of Pakistan is that it still imagines itself as ‘Not India’, and therefore, is unable to chart out its own identity and feel comfortable about it." It is entertaining to see how much energy is wasted on TV and news papers to prove that culture, food, language and what not is different from India. We laugh when people say that they are closer to Arabs and Turks and so on and keep denying the fact that to day after thousands years of intermingling the people of sub continent are same specially in the north. The history of Muslims of Pakistan is written on every city and village of India and it is here they ruled to make a unique culture.
@Imitiaz: Leave others why are you fooling your self by imagining "AFAIK, TNT is now fully endorsed and accepted by the majority of Indians." No one in India has accepted a theory that was faulty to begin with. Test of any political theory is time and the time has failed this TN theory. Similarly time has failed the theory of Communism. So please seek the reality.
Secondly you say "I find it strange that people of Pakistan deep in their Islamic identity are now denying the very understanding of this theory." They are only speaking the fact and not denying any thing it is people like you who are flogging a dead horse even after 65 years.
@Strategic Asset
The fall of the Ottoman Empire caused the moplah riots in Kerala etc
@Sam@ABE: If the Semitic religions influenced the middle east, africa and the west, Indic dharmas influenced south asia, east asia and south-east asia with indic influences even reaching the Phillipines.
The fact also is that India influenced Muslim scholars in Arabia who then influenced the West. Just to cite an example, modern Indo-Arabic numerals went from India to Arabia and from there they reached the west. Similarly, in the case of zero.
@Sam@ABE: With the Semitic religions – its an ‘either-or’ situation. With the Indic dharma’s – its an ‘and’ situation
Agreed.
According to the Supreme Court of India, Hinduism is not a religion and anyone who follows Indian culture is Hindu. Therefore it is also possible to be a Hindu and a Christian.
@Sam@ABE: The downfall of the Ottoman empire caused Muslims to run amuck in Kerala (South India)
One of the oldest mosques in the world built in 629 AD is in Kerala. Muslims existed in Kerala much before any invader set foot there. Ottoman Turks migrated to Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria and not to Kerala.
@Naeem Kahn Manhattan,Ks: Christians are also being killed and ethnically cleansed( Assam and other Provinces).
Firstly, the North Eastern states are predominantly Christian to begin with. Moreover conversion especially that done by foreign-funded born-again Christians in such places as Odisha and Assam is a controversial matter and I cannot simply condone such acts that modify traditional values and culture.
The fact also is that there are millions of Christians like me who live in other parts of the country and we face no problems whatsoever. Cherry-picking a few instances and then equating our situation to Pakistan where minorities are being decimated year over year is just plain nonsense.
Thank goodness some sane mind is talking about RSS as welfare party because just all Pakistanis, Indian muslims, Indian left liberals have painted them worse than Hitler Nazi party..among them is Javed Akhtar ..who considers RSS as communal as the Jinnah Muslim league party..although RSS came into being only in 1925.
Narendra Modi has been a RSS member since childhood..he just keeps forgiving everyone who was mighty critical of him and even who tried to get him kill..this is RSS upbringing.. BTW RSS also have muslim cadres in India..
@Rex Minor: You are a perfect example of what brain washing can do even in 2014. what a great display of knowledge "Indian army which was already formed while the Pkistan army had not, marched into the muslim majority State of Kashmir, to the perils of kashmiri people. The clock of Peace between Hindus and Muslims stopped in 1947, and the two contrahands are at War" Sure you are are true historian.
@Imitiaz: you are beyond logic, reason, good sense. Simple if the theory was right then why much much more number of Muslims decided to stay back in India? Why those poor souls who decided to go are till date being treated as Mohajirs are discriminated as less Pakistani? And then why Pakistan is turning to be a land for Sunnis only? Then why Bangladesh went its own way? And why 99.4% Muslims living in Pakistan are local sons of soil only and not come from India on the call of Mr Jinnah? Look at Israel 99% people have come from all over the world to make a land for Jews a truth. Read and read why the Britishers created Pakistan? You will sure come to know.
what we did to this country all the fuedals and rich busnissmen and china cut land thieves in karachi and in pakistan what they have done with this country......... some time i think why we bothers to get seprated and what for this whole land the greater india energies we wasted on arm forces why why.......
@Syed Well said, Mr Syed. I am a Hindu by birth but not a "practising" Hindu. Luckily, I have not been forced to accept my religion and offer worship on a regular basis and am none the worse for it, though I am well past 60. Youngsters everywhere should be allowed to question everything including religion so that they understand the world better and would be less bigoted in their views.
@Imtiaz, After looking at Muhajirs of karachi hyderabad we think migration was wrong thing happend in 1947.....
"... Nehru, modern India’s father ..." When did Nehru become "India's father"? We call Mahatma Gandhi as the "Father of the Nation".
@ Chote Raja,
You have a lot of world history to catch up on ... If the Semitic religions influenced the middle east, africa and the west, Indic dharmas influenced south asia, east asia and south-east asia with indic influences even reaching the Phillipines. (You can do your own homework on the difference between religion and dharma. With the Semitic religions - its an 'either-or' situation. With the Indic dharma's - its an 'and' situation - one can be Hindu and Buddhist; Buddhist and Shinto etc. because there is no concept of conversion.
The nationalist movements of India/Pakistan cannot be viewed in isolation but were affected by and in turn affected other movements. Nationalism was kindling in Germany, Balkans, Arabia, Indonesia, Phillipines. Iqbal was influenced by the Bulgar-Ottoman wars in the early 19th century - and he turned from a nationalist into a Pan-Islamist. The downfall of the Ottoman empire caused Muslims to run amuck in Kerala (South India) and this in turn gave rise to the RSS...and so on.
ET. Please post. Thx.
Same old. Of all the comments on ET website, those concerning Indo-Pak take on the usual pattern of Pakistan bashing. Sigh! Guys, when will you get original?
@Minor Rex Have you taken your psychiatric medications today? You sound worse even for your minor standards.
@Syed Excellent
@naeem khan, manhaten People are curious about serial muderers, especially when they get caught and are facing the music of justice. The Indian curiosity about Pakistanis is just like that. Your knowledge of history is feeble. And obviously the result of "Pakistan studies". Google Vijayanagara empire, Chola empire..
I am trapped by the idea of Pakistan. I have my own opinions and beliefs on religion which I cannot express publicly because the majority does not tolerate doubts. Our problem is that we have defined ourselves by a narrow vision of Islam. We have to stay within the circle and not step outside. It is easier to be a Hindu that being a doubter inside the circle. We need to redefine ourselves as a secular state where religion is a private matter to progress.
"After all millions of Hindus and Christians were a part of Pakistan, and similarly millions of Muslims had become citizens of India"
at that time, now it can be correctly read as
"After all thousands of Hindus and Christians are a part of Pakistan, and similarly many more millions of Muslims are citizens of India"
ccKK,
Nobody chose to be part of India except for the congress show boys. You called their land as India in 1947. Why should they move to Pakistan? Why couldn't you Indians go back to India? Have you ever though the latter is an option available to you?
@Naeem Kahn Manhattan,Ks:
India got its own problems,noone is denying that.But the reason Indians visit Pak news portals is for the fun reading Pak perspective of India and Indians.Its been nearing a month since Modi and BJP has won national elections.While Indians and paricularly media haved moved on with their life Pakistanis are still debating about Modi,Nawaz's India visit,Kashmir..While Mr.Bangash is a reasonable coloumnist with mature opinions many others were pure entertainment with their convoluted ideology.No offence plz..cheers!
Excellent read. In Pakistan's context most sane people understand the idea of what you call the new TNT. The discourse has now gone beyond that ....... what has to be understood and countered is the failure of the State to function as a state thereby allowing the religious right to occupy the vacuum and propagate their distorted vision with the sole intention of grabbing power....religion being the vehicle.
After having read the comments of Indians on this and countless other columns over the last 3 years, I can safely say that barring a very tiny minority, the rest of them come here only to belittle and demonise Pakistan and Muslims. It is really an irony that they blame Pakistanis for being hateful and under the spell of a distorted version of history, which is true in some cases, but these Indians themselves are under the spell of a completely one-sided and utterly biased view of Pakistan and Muslims fed to them by their media, books and popular culture. Unfortunately, I don't see any change in the attitude on either side and the best thing to do is to leave each other alone.
I am also very surprised how Hindu imperialism has been reduced to be less about anti-Islam and anti-Muslim feelings to "more to do with issues of belonging and identity, and more recently, economic and general well being".
The multifaceted nature of Hindu imperialism allows its to wrap around multiple questions and issues while having a central theme.
@Deepwater, "Above is one of the rocks that you guys hide behind when you don’t have anything worthwhile to say. Fact is, without the other side, most commentators here would be just as brainwashed as some of your learned historians who spend their entire lives trying to fit a square peg into a round hole."
"anything worthwhile"
"fact is"
"brainwashed"
"learned historians who spend their entire lives trying to fit a square peg into a round hole."
Time for your medication, enlightened Indian?
Two nation theory or any theory cannot explain what has happened to the minorities of Pakistan, reduced to just 3% of the population. What Liaqat Ali, Jinnah or Nehru wanted is well and good, if all were heroes there needs to be an explanation as to who played villain. Pakistan would like to keep complaining about how Muslims are treated everywhere but unfortunately unable to see how own Muslims or minorities have been treated.
@Naeem Kahn Manhattan,Ks: " ... Christians and lower class Hindus are also being killed and ethnically cleansed( Assam and other Provinces). ... "
If forcible repatriation of illegal Bangladeshi Muslims is ethnic cleansing, so be it. If you are bothered about your Muslim brethren, allow them into Pakistan.
@Zeeshan: nobody forced Muslims to be a part of india. They made that choice despite the option of Pakistan.
a nice read.....i would only add to your statement that Pakistan as a Nation state has fancied herself as ''NOT INDIA'',and hated everything which was accepted by Indians in a long history and looked for what was discarded or hated by India,which in our rich and old culture was very meager.Pakistan found herself bankrupt in the pursuit of all things un-Indians and got almost nothing.Indians are famous for not letting anything go into waste.
@Imitiaz Imtiaz bhai, If Muslims doesn't follow the laws, objects the polio & other vaccination programs, Accepting new Petro-doller funded Jihadi Ideology, Assuming the Shia, Hindus,Sikhs, Buddhists, Christians, Jews as enemy, Asking nations based upon religious identity, Then As a Muslim myself(In-fact i myself Consider Last and Final messenger of Allah(swt) as a TRUE SECULAR person not the biased towards Muslims) it is my Great wish that all Such Muslims should join Pakistan and leave India on its secular path, Period
@Zeeshan:
Problem is Indians are now asking something similar, what are Muslims doing in India? Why dont they go to Pakistan where Non Muslims hardly seems to survive etc. I am afraid , its getting serious now.With new mind set and new generation, and plenty of Information , old themes now falling apart, giving way to new ones based on truth and ground realty. Basically. Pakistan will be in great fix if tomorrow millions of Muslim cross Wagha and ask for permanent residency in the name of Islam.This is the scenario of which we all must be afraid and apprehenvsive about that misconceptions now might made this come to reality and simple single wrong step will weaken the Muslim case in India.
I really envy this professors students. This gent is able to call a spade, a spade. Unlike most Indian historians who put ideology before facts and truth, the author puts facts before anything else. .
By the way most of the younger generation in India is obsessed with Pakistan and one could see their monitoring Pakistani papers and then spewing venom at them.
Above is one of the rocks that you guys hide behind when you don't have anything worthwhile to say. Fact is, without the other side, most commentators here would be just as brainwashed as some of your learned historians who spend their entire lives trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
@Ajay,
So, what are doing in a Pakistani website?
@Alann,
"In the name of Two Nation Theory, most of these ‘intellectuals’, in their hate for everything Indian, have bred so much hatred among the Pakistani youth with their made up facts that they didn’t realised this same hatred has started destroying Pakistan itself from within. Every minority in Pakistan is getting killed in broad day light almost on a daily basis and nobody cares."
The irony of an Indian who spent hours in a Pakistani website spewing venom against Pakistan while lecturing about "hate for everything Indian" and "hatred among the Pakistani youth".
It was easy for Liaqat Ali to sign a pact with Nehru after the minority through ethnic cleansing were reduced from a pre 1947 population of 26% in West Pakistan to about 3% or so.
Where as in India there was not a significant reduction in Muslims population due to migration to Pakistan. Post independence the muslim population in India in fact has gone up from 9% to 14% and Hindus population has gone down from almost 90% to now 80%.
It seems the Pakistanis have successfully managed to have their cake and eat it too. Indians can only blame Nehru for it.
For a 25% population of muslims of Indian subcontinent Pakistan managed to get 33% of the land area, though only a few millions muslims migrated to Pakistan.
For true implementation of two nation theory, all muslims should have been encouraged to migrated to Pakistan and all Hindus/Sikhs to India ( which actually most of them did due to the ethnic cleansing in West Pakistan.)
"People usually forget that the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the mother Hindu nationalist organisation, is not simply an ideological organisation but also a welfare body."
The mother of all Hindu nationalist organisation has always been the Congress Party.
"Creating the ‘idea of India’ was hence as important for Savarkar (Hindutva’s ideologue) as it was for Nehru, modern India’s father — Muslims were just one part of it."
Did the Muslims "want to be part" of Nehru's and Savarkar's "idea of India"? How did Muslims become part of "idea of India" imagined by these two Hindu men? Who gave these two Hindu men the right to drag along Muslims into their "idea of India"? Shouldn't historian be more critical in examining the mirrors behind Savarkar's and Nehru's almost similar "idea of India"?
It was easy for Liaqat Ali to sign a pact with Nehru after the minority through ethnic cleansing were reduced from a pre 1947 population of 26% in West Pakistan to about 3% or so.
Where as in India there was not a significant reduction in Muslims population due to migration to Pakistan. Post independence the muslim population in India in fact has gone up from 9% to 14% and Hindus population has gone down from almost 90% to now 80%.
It seems the Pakistanis have successfully managed to have their cake and eat it too. Indians can only blame Nehru for it.
For a 25% population of muslims of Indian subcontinent Pakistan managed to get 33% of the land area, though only a few millions muslims migrated to Pakistan.
For true implementation of two nation theory, all muslims should have been encouraged to migrated to Pakistan and all Hindus/Sikhs to India ( which actually most of them did due to the ethnic cleansing in West Pakistan.)
Always admire your balanced point of view whether I agree or not. You can teach something to Pakistani journalists and the Indian TV hosts that hold shouting matches in the name of discussions
@Alann: Generally speaking, when a person/society is socially weak, they will likely compensate by using the brutish techniques associated with anger, discompassion, and hatred.
Almost all the comments are from Indians and they never stop blaming Pakistan, yes, Pakistanis are not treating their minorities fairly as envisioned by Mr.Jinah, however minorities in India are not living in the land of milk and honey either. Beside killing and raping the Muslims ( Gujrat,Kashmir) , Christians and lower class Hindus are also being killed and ethnically cleansed( Assam and other Provinces). By the way most of the younger generation in India is obsessed with Pakistan and one could see their monitoring Pakistani papers and then spewing venom at them. It is not Muslim- Hindu problem, Indians see Pakistan as a hindrance to their dream of becoming some kind of super power regardless of teeming million who live below the poverty and millions don't even have running water or indoor toilets. The thought of 2 nation theory never occurs to me, I was born in Mardan, Pakistan and that was it, it was Pakistan then and Pakistan now, historically India was ruled from North for centuries.
AFAIK, TNT is now fully endorsed and accepted by the majority of Indians. I find it strange that people of Pakistan deep in their Islamic identity are now denying the very understanding of this theory.Great Quaid repeateadly mention the difference between the HinduNation and Muslim Nation and the rational of TNT to have separate homeland for Muslims of Subcontinent. My indian colleagues tell me straightforward on my face now that Muslims should and must migrate to Pakistan from India.They say, Since minority have been relegated to nothing in Pakistan, there is no reason for India to keep so many Muslims in their land when they actually belong to Pakistan. There is this new generation of Indians whose knowledge of TNT stems from Pakistan as they perceive read from Internet sources. IMHO, we are getting into complicated era ehere past paradigms are not going to hold any more.
Among all the historians in Pakistan, why do I feel only you are the sane one left amongst 'em all?
It is one thing to have your opinions (even though they may be anti-India or anti-Hindu or anti-Hindu or anything), but it is totally a different thing to make up 'facts' to justify Pakistan's existence - which is what most Pakistani 'intellectuals' try to, or rather, have been doing all along/still do. You may feel the need to feel 'superior' or better about yourself, but for that don't go demonising India or its Hindu population. In the name of Two Nation Theory, most of these 'intellectuals', in their hate for everything Indian, have bred so much hatred among the Pakistani youth with their made up facts that they didn't realised this same hatred has started destroying Pakistan itself from within. Every minority in Pakistan is getting killed in broad day light almost on a daily basis and nobody cares.
"The notion of treating citizens of India and Pakistan, regardless of religion as full citizens of their respective countries was also the central tenet of the Nehru-Liaquat pact of 1950. Speaking on the issue Liaquat Ali Khan noted: “…that enjoyment of these [fundamental] rights is guaranteed to all minorities and…that members of the minority communities have equal opportunity with members of the majority community to participate in public life, hold political and other offices…the allegiance and loyalty of the minorities is to the state of which they are citizens and it is to the government of their own state that they should look for the redress of their grievances.
Doesn't law which bar a minority person holding constitutional post negated this pact? Isn't India can go to any international body to enforce that pact which highlighted here. But India does not interfere in Pakistan policy how it treat its minority.
A decent enough & thoughtful article.It is high time that Pakistan forgets about India & plans what it wants to be without comparing itself to anybody in this world.1947 was a long time ago & the new generation of Indians really do not care or think about Pakistan at all.For them Pakistan is like Nepal or Bhutan.A neighbour that is all.
Why is Pakistan so obsessed with the Two-Nation Theory? I first read about it only on a Pakistani website. As a post-partition Indian, I must say the partition was the best thing to happen in the subcontinent in a long time. A few old men in India certainly talk about it but the newer generation couldn't care less. In fact, most of my generation are not religious at all. I certainly believe that religions were stories created to control the masses.
We should stop living in the past. It is now three nation theory and no longer two nation theory. By ignoring Bangladesh you are insulting Bengalis.
Regardless of the reassurances of Jinnah & Liaquat, minorities stand disenfranchised today in Pakistan. Even Muslims have been separated into pure and impure to facilitate further discrimination. This is survival, survival of the purest!
"After all millions of Hindus and Christians were a part of Pakistan, and similarly millions of Muslims had become citizens of India." This part of the article is correct. Hindus and Christians WERE citizens, not any longer now with the persecution they face and their slow disintegration and seeking better pastures elsewhere.This is not true of Muslims in India nor are they leaving the country nor their numbers declining.
I have always enjoyed reading your views - why are you such a shrinking minority in pakistan?