Indian army soldiers patrol near the Line of Control, a ceasefire line dividing Kashmir between India and Pakistan, in Poonch district in this August 7, 2013 file photo. PHOTO: REUTERS/FILE
The officer was identified as Captain Sarfaraz and the soldier was identified as Yasin.
The Indian army started firing at 11:15pm last night in the Batal, Nakyal areas near Skardu. The Pakistani army retaliated by firing as well. The exchange of bullets continued until 2am.
This is not the first time that Indian forces have been allegedly involved in unprovoked firing or shelling, the LoC that has seen allegations of cross-border firing from both sides in recent weeks.
The attack is the latest in a spate of recent cross-border skirmishes between the two neighbours.
The two sides agreed to a ceasefire along the LoC in November 2003, but skirmishes have flared across the heavily-militarised Line of Control (LoC), the de facto border in Kashmir, in recent weeks, with both sides blaming each other for having violated the agreement.
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I like indian army
@ashok sai: Dont worry about our loans worry about your slipping out economy, thats why your govt invired Chinese premier to please buy you low quality stuff or send over some low profit jobs, really.
@Asad Khan: reply to Jat
"you guys poke China and she put you in your place".
Kiddy, don't harp on 50 year old history, now tell me, why the same Chinese premier visit India first ???. About nuclear, only fools like you will take pride in that, nowadays country's fate is lying on economical growth and infrastructure, tell me how you going to repay the IMF loans this term ?
Astonished to hear that!
But y our forces are not responding!!! Have they become so coward now..... they just feel brave in killing our own people ...
@Ghaznavi Pakistanis certainly do a better job in blowing themselves and others up than Indians in gangraping. This shows that Pakistan is better than India.
@huzaifa: "I think the word SHAHDAT would have been suited more instead of killed" AND what is the DIFFERENCE between KILLED and Shadat? EITHER WAY, it does not make any DIFFERENCE to those who gone, as they will never ever come back. Instead why do not you propose something to PREVENT these KILLINGS on both side, than making its RELIGIOUS PUZZLE of KILLED and Shahdat?
@u: u cannot call him killed bec he is shaheed and shaheed never die . But to become shaheed, you have to die, right? Kind of like a chicken and egg situation.
@MA: Sorry to say this PML-N only wants his seat nothing else. Shame on this Government.
Indian should do what they are best at: Gang Raping innocent girls and killing unarmed civilians.
Y Pakistan was constructing their country has a global capital for terrorism ... Pakistan accept to give free citizen ship to any terrorist - they are selling out their lands to global terrorism - any country's don (like Dawood) or any terrorist group from any wre across this globe can get free visa and citizen ship in pak to operate ..it's shame on pakistan ...
This attitude of Pakistan should change for their future growth....
I hope my content will get publish....
@pumba: Well we send 5 of your cowards to belize and 2 earlier this year. What makes you think we are not good at it.
@M. Emad : (A tit-fot-tat response. India has no other choice)
A tit-fot-tat response! Get ready for Pakistan's response. It could be "Major" or "Colonel" this time.
India will go to back foot only when Pakistan will go to front foot. There is no other way......
There are no muslims,hindus or christians ... We all are humans .
Salute!!!
@Faisal Ashfaq: Shaheed never dies my dear.
@Mask:
"who attacked Mumbai ?"
If you are sleeping for a year, time to wakeup and check what your officials are saying. Mumbai attack was an inside job as usual by India
@PakThinker: plsss, don't think too much. you are not good for it
The indians is gonna get the befitting reply soon. I'm sure of that.
One way or another, they will feel the pain they are causing to us.
Prepare for war! At current of escalation a war is imminent within 2-3 months. A full scale invasion into Kashmir. Assuming the UN can bully both countries into nuclear pause, the war will be fought covertly and with deniability. If Pakistan looses the reigns over kashmir there will be no nuclear war, (muslims have great cause to honor life.) If india looses it will launch a preemptive strike almost definitely.
@Baig: I am looking forward to him when he wakes up.
He is not someone who gives up :).
@Chai: As expected , no actual proper reply.
Just diverted conversation.
You can NOT have any reply to deny this.
So stop giving stupid comments.
Stay focused , IF you can ....
@Jat:
Yes Uncle, Chankia, that is what I am saying all along that you always choose when to strike because you are treacherous, have superiority complex and disrespectful, you guys have problem with all the South Asian countries but tension with Pakistan overshadowed all of them, you guys poke China and she put you in your place, you guyz instigates trouble inside Nepal, You made Sri Lanka bleed, You do not honour your commitments with Bangladesh, you interfere in Maldives, The foot prints of every geopolitical problem in South Asia leads to you, WHY?.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE A PROBLEM and it is PSYCHIATRIC in nature.
Oh by the way, a bit of news for the uncle like yours and kids like mine, the actual land of Mahatma Buddha belongs to Pakistan now.
Guess what? There was NO Republic of India back then and there was no Nation State System like today, so technically the Republic of India of today can’t claims to be the sole proprietor of Peace & culture / heritage. Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Afghanistan (buddha of Bamiyan) and to some extent Central Asian republics of today can claim as much as the “the land of bla bla” as Republic of India does. But they choose not to.
Refreshing, isn’t it?
Old habits die hard, more than willing to face the consequences, just make sure you choose well, this time, cuz now it is Nuclear.
Regards,
@ Ali Yusufzai
You're wildly inaccurate. So wrong about gene pools and migrations. And the arab thing you mentioned-you wish!
@Khurram: Dear friend the fact of the life is that your history books have been modified and you have been fed lies all this while. Indian Army is the one of the most respected army in the world for it's ethic. Also before making such statements please look at what legacy your army has left behind. The secretary of State of USA calling ISI and pak army "Pathological liers" is something you should be concerned more about. No one utters a word .. I didn't see any reporter defending the army. Hillary Clinton comes and make a statement "If you find the clauses of the bill so stringent, you don't have to take the money" ... No one utters a word. So dear friend think twice before calling someone rouge.
@Akbar Khan: Umm .. Can you at least name 10 Hindu terrorist .. Name 1 Hindu organisation declared rogue by your partners USA
@Asif Butt: Free kashmir on your end bro .. charity begins at home.
@Ali Yusufzai: Well, fyi I got my DNA tested in the genographic project and my paternal haplogroup is r* which is not Dravidian but Aryan. north india is not Dravidian but indoaryan. Anyways, all this is hogwash because being a Aryan or a Dravidian does not make a person superior, it is the thinking process of the mind and actions which matters. If you would get your DNA test done in genographic project you might be in for a surprise. Thank you, rab rakha.
@Prabhjyot Singh Madan: Sardarjee, our being from the same genetic stock is an Indian concept. We trace our roots to our Central Asian and Arab ancestors, not to the dravidians of India.
@Armaan: Dill Kay armaan ansuon may beh Gaye. You're 100% right bro. √ Its easier said, than done. Most of the warriors were on Bollywood site moments before stumbling over here, ha ha ha! But then we are not faithfully to anyone, remember! So the enemy beware! No song & dance can please us so much, to forget the Call of Duty! They know that too. But still, I agree with you. Why not show it!
@Khurram: Your own guys says that IK is a Jew. So should the world call and wellcome him as a Jew?
Sad News Both country have to stop killing to each other without any main reason to keeping both side firing on LOC Both country have to keep good working relation between Government Let start talk not fight to each other War is not good for both country Let start talk for Kashmir issue as per decided by UNA Since long Have to pay value to UNA Resolation Let Kashmirs decided by them self for their Kashmir Kashmir issue is main matter for war to both country
EXPRESS TRIBUNE , DO NOT , DO NOT , DO NOT BLOCK this comment !!!!!
@Jat: Yes Mr. Jat.
This land of Mahatma Buddha, Lord Mahavir, and Mahatma Gandhi.
We know what the people of this land today are , just like you.
You call the whole of Kashmir your "ATOOT ANG".
And after 65+ years you never found the dignity or courage to take back what YOU THINK is yours.
We only say tat Kashmir should have self determination. Thats what we will ONLY claim and fight for.
But you people , claiming descendancy from your historic figures , might just turn out to be a shame to those legends.
You DO NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITY to maintain what you believe. You just have WORDS.
And that is all you will ever have on planet earth till the end of time.
(and now its time for you to rattle in response ....)
@Pakka Paki:
May Allah provide for more such "martyrs" from Pakistan. Eventually lead to world being a safer place.
@Asad Khan:
A sane and well-reasoned comment on ET? I am amazed, and I salute you. Well done.
@np: 26/11 was insider job...ur own guys were involved in it...you couldn't proved anything uptil now on pak's involvement
why dont you watch indian movies and dance on indian songs... maybe that can keep captain's soul rest in peace... why dont veena malik declare captain sarfaraz as a criminal..all pakistanis love india... they dont care about their army... just pay them the air ticket to india.. they will surrender their own dignity to you for the air ticket to india...shame on you... atleast boycott some things...
Think I should quit this site, not even a single comment gets published. What do you expect ET? They killed our soldier, should I be praising them here? Strange policy you have being a so called Pakistani website. Very much reflects the general attitude of our media. Shame!!
@Khan: There is no pride in violence. You forget we are a land of Mahatma Buddha, Lord Mahavir, and Mahatma Gandhi.
But we will no longer be offering "the other cheek". After 26/11 Mumbai attacks, our level of tolerance is close to zero. You people need to change your old bad habits, or face the consequences.
@Chai: You really are working hard, aren't you? Get some lemonade, you need that, ha ha ha!
@Khan: There is no pride in violence. All a matter of justice; unprovoked attacks on us will be responded to fiercely.
Will repeat here what I have said before - after the 26/11 Mumbai attacks, our level of tolerance is close to zero. Do not play with fire.
Dr Dang
The martyred officer's name is Captain Sarfraz Khan (55 Field Artillery - 120 PMA L/C). So, he's for real, right? But Pakistan is not so sure about all fatalities India claims, since India has a habit for blaming Pakistan even for the death of soldiers who die naturally after retirement.
@Jat There isn't anything you should be proud of. Ask you forces how were two of your soldiers killed and beheaded in your own region? Also how were your five soldiers ambushed. It isn't a matter of pride for you army that a captain got martyred in blind shelling by your army.
@ Waseem Sarwar
The videos have been shown on several Indian news channels,showing terrorists crossing over from the Pak side into Jammu. All the Indian firing which has started recently,is only in retaliation for 86 ceasefire viloations by the Pak army,after five Indian soldiers on a routine patrol were ambushed at night 450 metres inside the loc.Beheading is against the rules of military engagement.Its disgusting.
@Khurram: proved you are a true pakistani educated frm madrasa
Fitting reply
@Asad Khan: Kid ! Our retaliation comes at a time, and place of our choosing and we choose the method of our retaliation. Our retaliation for 1965 came in 1971. In 1965, we just defended against your treacherous attack.
Quite amusing :)
Hats off to Nawaz Sharif and Pakistan Media.
Our senior officer is killed and we didn't broadcast news.
@Jat: When????, till the time of cosmos is over???? then????
Just to give you a browse of history, India retaliated with massive force only once on Kashmir. Only once, and that was in Sept 1965, after when Pak forces deliberately cross LOC (Cease Fire Line then) after having some hot exchanges of bouts. India announced that she will choose the place & time of her own, she did, crossed International Border, and then got what???? got stalemated from an adversary which was 7 times lesser in some respect in force parity.
Nope, hardly a good show militarily and not so politically.
After that 65, India just locked Kashmir. It huffs & puffs here & there along LOC and sometimes on International Border and that is just that.
After Pak's nuclear dimension, the best India has done is to avoid Kashmir altogether Diplomatically.
Satisfied? No? Bring em on then.....
regards,
@Mask: Mumbai attacks were insider job as declared and admitted by your ex-service men....see the kasab video on you tube...he did not having a pakistani accent at all..it was a drama staged by ur own intel agencies...For Laden...may be he was found in Abbotabad and killed but who knows the truth?...do u know the truth? do you see his body? he was the most wanted terrorist but then why US didnt showed up his body, hence there might be a big conspiracy behind OBL killing...his killing or even existence in real is always suspicious around the world....and regarding BBC...world knows about their stupid documentry standard about several issues...they also cover "dirty india" issue many time in their documentries...
@Khurram: Great if not marvelous findings my friend. Can not stop laughing at amusements. Pl write many such findings atleast to ease pressure.
Pakistanis, as far as retaliation is concerned, this is just the beginning. The Indian reaction, when it comes, will have elements of both retribution and deterrence.
The officer was identified as Captain Sarfaraz and the soldier was identified as Yasin.
Did anyone along with them get injured ?No rewards were announced for the dead ? These 2 alleged soldiers have no surname, no battalion, regiment.No photos of anything associated with the incident. Strange. Are they for real ?
India is always a rogue country with rogue army....we cant expect anything better from them...they always take Pakistan as granted and encourage terror activities in balochistan and FATA....everyone knows who is behind Srilankan cricket team attack in Lahore but our puppet governments never took any stand nor they are going to take any stand....I m not against building relations with india but these kind of coward indian acts should be dealt with firm and beffiting reply by our government.
@IndoPak: Dear I just wanted to know how much u care for sufferer family
@Baig: well if we believe your funny theory then why does India starts firing and shelling on our posts? Trying to push few for help in BLA?
@Naseema Perveen: Ma'am those five solders who were killed were also born to mothers.
@Alann: ET Please publish.
Let me put you out of hibernation then.
It is not violence in Kashmir, it is actually struggle for liberation going on in Kashmir which as it phases & cycles. From 2003 onward their ‘relative calm’ because Kashmiri, Indian & Pakistani leadership was engaged in composite dialogue, even then the hardcore freedom fighter shows their displeasure when PM Singh’s visited the site of Bus Service between LOC. From 2008 onwards the unrest started upward spiral due to India’s brutal policies in Kashmir.
For beheading drama, just for the tip of Iceberg the two examples, the brave Indian Army caught naked in Siachen for faking operations just for medal & promotions and instigating violence in Kashmir like Chittisingpora in which Sikhs were killed by clamming these were terrorists when President Clinton visited Indian Subcontinent, so on can unlock the mystery behind the beheading.
The LOC was alive & happening place from 1974 till 2003, the agreement of 2003 is taken from Indo Chinese model of peace & tranquility along LOAC as a catalyst for the cordial environment. Looks like either India doesn’t want do go along with the agreement or it is just election time coming up, my judgment calls for latter.
Neither the Pak Army nor the Pak Nation has gone for change of hearts, just the bubble of some Delusionists lazy media personalities has been busted that ‘just peace’ can achieve by not resolving the core issues first.
Pakistan is showing restraint right now but do not take it as granted. Was Indian army sleeping from 1974 till 2003? When the intensity of LOC was much larger on scale and area wise ? If Pak forces didn’t humble then what make you or anyone think that it will now?
The agreement of 2003 must be respected and there are protocols and procedures given. If India doesn’t want that then fine but don’t cry foul then.
@ Zoros
Maybe so, Maybe No, Why, do you want to have a date with me?
Regards,
Aman ki Asha
hmmm .... 4 remaining .
India have no choice , Everyone knows Who violate ceasefire and why ? who have terror camps ? who attacked Mumbai ? Where was Laden ? BBC made Documentary "Double Cross" which country was that ? The Country of "Pathological Liars" .
We Need atleast 10 HINDU TERRORIST DEAD.....
Why so much outrage in Pakistani people?? Pakistani people should be ready for even more damage because it was started by Pakistan itself, after beheading 2 Indian soldiers and then killing 5 Indian soldiers in an unprovoked effort, just to facilitate infiltration of terrorists.
~@INDIAN SHIA: 1petrol pump & 50lakh is what make your soldier go to the border? Wow! √@Kamil: "Restraint" because eventually it's costing more to enemy than to you. We have a promise in hereafter & the enemy has to accomodate heavy worldly reward, like above. √May the survivors of the shaheed find solace in prayers & community love & honor.
Now let's analyse who would benefit from unprovoked firing. 1. India : Probably disrupt hard earned peace, a quest for which 1000s have already sacrificed their lives. 2. Pak : Cover firing for terrorists to infiltrate Indian borders.
History: 1993: Pak denies presence of Dawood Ibrahim in Pak. Latest news.. Pak minister makes a statement that he was indeed in Pakistan. 1999: Ind-Pak aman ki asha program started which brought peace between the warring nations. Meanwhile Pak regular army soldiers secretly occupy Kargil. Pak reaction... we categorically deny presence of our army in Kargil .. The truth the whole world knows. 2002: Pak denies Laden hiding in Pak, found right under the nose of army.
History books have to modified to find teach younger that India initiated all the wars and Pak won all the wars.
Sorry folks .. India has no reason to start unproved firing and Pak statements have no credibility at all. Rational thinkers would find out the truth from this article.
Repeated Peace talks offers from Nawaz Sharif and bullets fired by Indian leadership.
May Allah bless the Shaheed with peace ...
a big slap on faces of my leaders (Pakistani), you people better settle these issues first because mothers are loosing their sons.
Let see what gov will giv to his family as our gov gave 1 petrol pump n 50 lacks rupee when our soldier got SHAHADAT
whats wrong with you ET, why you didn't publish my comment,
@Indian: You and your ever so called "TRUTHS".
Please keep your truth in your pocket.
Time to talk and discuss and debate is over.....
The alleged and so called 1:10 ratio is inversing !!!
@ASad Khan You born after the Kargil war ???
Now this is not going to be taken easy by Pak Army! NS pack your bags for another KSA trip
Pak army starts firing to distract the Indian side while militants are trying to cross the loc into India. The Pak army firing is a cover up for that. I've seen the video of this on the news.How long will the media hide this from Pakistani citizens..another 60 years ?
Congrats to Nawaz Sharif and Pakistani Media
Jingoism has started in pakistan too now. One captain killed and the call to restraint and pragmatism vanished. We are really from the same original genetic stock, reminds me of the old saying " tera khoon, khoon, mera khoon paani". Nawaz and Manmohan should meet that is my opinion and start negotiations. We owe it to our children to solve this problem. On a lighter note, I get scared thinking how our children will handle the Kashmir issue.lol. rab rakha
Asad Khan: "Do not get surprised when Pak response."
Violence in Kashmir was as its lowest in last year. 2013 is the first year when Indian-Kashmir suddenly saw a big rise in violent protests and cross border infiltrations where Indian Army killed more than 20 militants already, just in this one year so far. Also, 4 Indian soldiers patrolling peacefully were first killed, and two of them were beheaded and heads taken away into Pakistan. It was followed very recently by killing of 5 Indian soldiers in August itself. Furthermore, as per UN & Indian reports, so far 84 ceasefire violations were done by Pakistan Army. Less than 2 weeks ago, Indian Army was given the freedom to retaliate as it pleases, any time and any where. Now suddenly Nawaz Sharif is loudly declaring that Pakistan will "show restraint and responsibility". Even Kayani now declared (in a quick interview) that it is going to support Pak government in its peace talks. Do you think PakArmy had a sudden change of heart just like that? Or is it because it realised it cannot abuse India's patience any more? As for your question, I'm sure PakArmy won't do anymore violations till the situation calms down. And I can guarantee you Indian Army will soon stop its attacks too - but only after it is sure there won't be anymore infiltrations or firings across borders from Pakistan's side. I hope the mods publish this comment.
@Munna Lahori: And there lies the irony of it all. For a country like Pakistan, If an India didn't exist, it would have to be then invented.
Now the Indian will start talking peace.
ET Please publish, I know the you usually do not allow Pro Pakistan Comments.
There is an agreement between India & Pakistan in 2003 for maintaining peace & tranquility along the line of control which basically prevents both sides for making new check post / bunkers and if there is a flare up in particular sector of LOC then hostilities should be limit to that sector alone. And there are protocols established as well that any objection/ grievance first be communicated through flag meetings.
Now, If India doesn't like that this agreement because it is literally checkmated any kind of accusation & war mongering from any side then fine, India can simply walk out of that agreement, no problem.
Let me tell Indians in clear cut & simple way. Today Pakistan's mood is not like Kargil when fair amount of intelligentsia thinks that army has pulled on a fast on Nawaz Govt, Now Pak Nation is ready for any eventuality and the Nawaz govt is dragging its feet.
Salutation for the Captain and worrying times for Indian Sector commander. Do not get surprised when Pak response.
regards,
Indians need to be sorted..Enough is enough..
Army decides on its own. Sharif will just watch
@Aiman Kay, if they stopped their idiotic ways then alot of people will be out of business or their business models would cease to exist.
Please stop this idiotic killings on both sides and let us live in peace.
no worries!!...PM has already instructed its cabinet and military that he doesn't want any escalation on LOC. He'll maintain his sombre tone
and Nawaz sharif and our media order us to show restraint
I think the word SHAHDAT would have been suited more instead of killed and instead of intimidating Indian soldiers photo, the pics of the two coffins in Pakistani flag would have suited. Any how! it is my opinion but for such incidents coverage, one should learn from Indian media. This is a suggestion but the people at helm of the affairs do have a larger picture.
@Baig: At least no Indian civilian has been killed by Pakis unlike Indians who have been bombing the villages on LoC and kidnapping villagers.
We don't honour our martyrs.Our media spares no stone unturned in criticising those who sacrifice their lives for us.Perhaps our news channels get more money in publicising Indian movies than in showing these martyrs and their families.Salute to the martyrs who sacrificed their lives for our future.
pakistan conspiracy theory starts again..good luck......from india
A tit-fot-tat response.
India has no other choice.
@Faisal Ashfaq: MAY THE DEPARTED SOUL REST IN PEACE. AMIN.........................and the UN-departed Souls???
He wasn't killed, he was martyred.
I'm glad ET decided to use the term "allegedly involved" for Indian Army. So far ET always used "allegedly involved" only in case when Pak Army fired across border; And when Indian Army did the same, it always was "attacked". Its the first time I'm seeing a news report which says "allegedly involved" in case of Indian Army firing across border.
Nothing else but Skirmishes from India has the capacity to unite Pakistani nation.
MAY THE DEPARTED SOUL REST IN PEACE. AMIN