Indian Border Security Force (BSF) soldiers patrol the fenced border with Pakistan in Suchetgarh, southwest of Jammu January 16, 2013. PHOTO: REUTERS/FILE
According to the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), the incident took place at 10:30am and there was no evident reason for the firing.
Asim Iqbal, the soldier who died due to the firing incident, was a resident of a village near Rawalpindi.
Naik Muhammad Khan, the soldier who is critically injured will undergo treatment.
A statement from the foreign office in Islamabad read that Pakistan strongly condemned the firing, stating it is unfortunate that such an incident should have taken place at a time when the two governments are making sincere efforts toward improving relations for resolving mutual disputes.
Pakistan government has called upon the Indian government to conduct a thorough investigation into this incident and ensure that such occurrences did not take place.
A statement by Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) stated that Indian border security forces had resorted to unprovoked firing on the working boundary near Sialkot on Saturday evening.
The statement said that no loss of life had been reported.
Pakistan troops responded effectively to Indian firing, it said.
This is not the first instance of unprovoked hostility from the Indian army.
On June 18, Indian troops opened fire on a small village in Kotli town along the LoC, injuring a 65-year old woman.
On June 19, a Pakistani girl was killed when Indian troops opened fire across the de facto border that divides disputed Kashmir.
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I seriously never get the logic behind India's version. If sum one fires at an innocent person the said innocent person gets shot and bleeds. Indian version of these incidents always includes the sentences '' they shot at us , but we were never hit by any bullets, then we shot back and they were hit by our bullets''. I mean come on use a little logic , the guys who shot first are the ones who sustained injuries? yeah right .
@Aisha: "Pakistan has a million issues like you pointed out but I still feel great here." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ You obviously speak for yourself. On CNN then PM Gilani was asked as to why 40 % Pakistanis want to leave Pakistan. His answer: whats preventing them?
@Silent Night: "Accept the reality of Pakistan’s existence, and get out of Kashmir." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sir what has the first part of your valuable suggestion have to do with the second part?
ET! Thank you for not publishing my earlier comment on the subject.
@Silent Night: People from Kashmir travel on Indian. Passport throughout the world and every country that allows entry based on Indian passport is acknowledging that Kashmir is part of India. Inicidentally even Syed Gilani travels on Indian passport.
As far as UN resolution, you should be aware that it is India that went to UN not Pakistan. it is Pakistan that has failed to take the first step I.e. remove it's army from the area that you call Azad Kashmir. So before referring to the UN resolution on Kashmir, please at least read it once.
Indians come to our websites because either they are paid, or their own media outlets lack pro-India content.
@Dawn: Kashmir never was, and never will be any part of India no matter how much you bleat otherwise. No country in the world, or the United Nations accepts that Kashmir is a part of India. Therefore, ipso facto Kashmir is under Indian occupation. So just shut up and get out.
@Hasan: "Frankly most of the posts above are well off the mark – as Pakistanis, we should be ashamed that we could come off the worse again the world’s most incompetent army."
You perhaps do not recall that 90000 of your soldiers laid down arms against this same 'incompetent' army. When this 'incompetent' army occupied Siachen which India claims as its own and Pakistan disgrees, your highly competent army was unable to dislodge it despite 3 attempts. When your army pretending to be mujahidins occupied Kargill, this "incompetent" army made you vacate every single inch and made your PM run to Washington and eventually declare unilateral surrender.
@Silent Night You have got pakistan, keep it with you. You dont have any right to ask for an integral part of India. Pakistan has tried to get it by launching war and terrorism on India, but hasnt learnt any lessons yet, hence seems like all its biased lessons from its text books are giving births to people like Silent Nights.
Where is SAFMA now? where is Aman ki Asha? Will they continue to mock the blood of the sons of our soil...
@Pepsi: "You are talking as if pakistan is a rich country and india is poor" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ There may be rich people on both sides but there is a major difference between the rich: Indian rich is genrally an Industrialist a Software Magnet......the Pakistani rich is a Zamindar or a Corrupt polician. The two countries are poles apart in riches and in poverty.
ET & the Indians ++++++++++++++++++ What the Pakistani readers are unable to grasp is that Indians are the bait served by ET . The more Indians comment here the more Pakistanis counter retort. All in all a winning formula.
Indians and Pakistanis should stop rhetoric and blame game and start to build permanent sustainable friendly relationships between the two countries, for that the mind-sets of the people and politicians should change. What relationship India had with United Kingdom for many years after independence seeing it as an occupier and oppressor which it gradually and finally let go of its feeling. The same way the Bangladeshis have it with Pakistan and Pakistan has it with India which they should let go.Jealously and hatred in the heart burns it. I think only love and friendship which can be had through forgiveness and sacrifice and can solve problems and bring people/countries together. India has to accept Pakistan as an independent sovereign country and Pakistan has to accept Indian Kashmir as belonging to India this may solve the problem. India interfering in a negative way in Pakistani affairs and Pakistan negatively interfering in India affairs should stop to build trust between the two nations. First of all Pakistan should put its country in order before extending its hand to India for friendship or else non-state actors may interfere in the relationship building process.
@tung: You are talking as if pakistan is a rich country and india is poor.We don';t consider you as our arch rival, as that required a balance of power in which pakistan is never never a match for mighty India.Sorry that i dissapoint you.
A Humane Suggestion +++++++++++++++ Whenevr a solider dies like this the Govt of the other country should compensate the family of the soldier USD 100000. irrespective of who was at fault. Pakistan Zindabad Bharat Mahan.
@Silent Night: "And ET if you don’r print this comment, be ready for a lawsuit!" +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ET worry Not I am a lawyer who will defend you FOC. And the CJs son is a good friend of mine.
@nrmr44: "@Satish Chandra: Sorry, can you go over that once again, please?" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thanks for your witty remark. Lightens the sordid Indo Pak atmosphere.
@uart: Then check it, might be some Indians have caught sense and started liking the comments posted by Pakistanis. @funandgames: You nailed it brother. Very well said
@Satish Chandra: So there is Mr.Satish Chandra who used to make his wild theories about India exporting human babies to Israel for their cannibalistic feasts.....
Looks like you are unable to post nowadays in TOI,so you have come to Express Tribune....which begs me to ask the Mods...
How come you allowed such a meaningless rant to get published????
@Naveen: We are justified to expect same sort comments when any mishape/loss of life occurss at the other side of the border as well.
@aalia: "killing peaceful protesters in kasmir is not insanity?" +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Madam I am unable to reoly to you not due to the dazzling intellect of your question but because I do not want to descend to your level. Fyi an eye for an eye makes the entire world blind.
@aalia: Killing peaceful protest is anywhere is insanity. But What would you call the group of people who describe a mob as peaceful protest. . Also let us know what would you call a Govt. who support organisations like Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP), ehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi.. so on and so forth.. What ?? you want me to name more groups like these ..?? Okay .. How about.. Lashkar-eJhangvi (LeJ), Harkat-ul-Mujahideen Al-alami(HuMA), Hizb-ul-Mujahideen (HM), Harkat-ul-Ansar, Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT), Al Umar Mujahideen, Jammu & Kashmir Students Liberation Front and many more.. google it if you want to know what they do or if you want to know more names..
@@uart: By the way there is not shame in being poor. shame is when you are willing to die poor. By God, all those poor you refereed to will not die poor. Also get your fact straight when you are puting them on a blog to substantiate you argument.
@@uart: What is the problem in being POOR?? Problem is when you want to stay POOR and willing to be inhuman and barbaric and start justifying your poverty instead or working towards improving yourself and the society you belong to.
@Terry: If you are implying that I am being paid by someone to post comments then I say you grow up. . Goto any other blog on ET which didn't mention India and find out howmany Indians commented on it. I don't come here to troll but to present Indian point of view to some Ignorant comments made by Pakistanis about/against India.
On June 18, Indian troops opened fire on a small village in Kotli town along the LoC, injuring a 65-year old woman.
. One thing I fail to understand though. If you open fire on a village do you think only one old woman will get hurt ?? I don't think so. But anyways..
This is the same Hindustani army which in 2001 managed to blow up 1,000 of its own troops just by mobilising along the border?!
Frankly most of the posts above are well off the mark - as Pakistanis, we should be ashamed that we could come off the worse again the world's most incompetent army.
Inna lillah hai wa inna alehi raji'un. Rest in peace Asim Iqbal.
Hasan
@Wassim: Agreed It’s Pakistan’s word against the Indian word. So who do you think you should believe to ?? Pakistan army??? who lied to you time and again and looked for chances so that they can rule Pakistan. For being Pakistani I can understand if you say you want to believe Pakistani army but for how long. Its your believe on your Army which brought you to the point where you are right now. How far you want to go further..??
@kala_bacha
well I don't know if Indian army is most innocent or not but one thing is for sure. Indian army is ruled by Indian Govt. and pakistan Army rules the pakistan Govt.
Pakistanis (and even Indians) need to read this! It is published on the same date as this above news and you will get the picture of how 'pious' your Pakistani politicians are.
http://tinyurl.com/q6gyyuo
@indian women: most certainly we can and will do.so..would be recommended of you to stop secretly seeing kay pakistan kay newspaper kya keh rhay hain and go worry about your superficial growth which has shown to be worthless in reaching the billions or so of your population..wait isnt that your whole population living on a dollar a day..wait did you get food today??
Indian Army killed Pak soldier in unprovoked firing, following by the massacre of innocents kashmiris in occupied region.
Duh, Pakistan is in a rut, I wasn't denying that. . I was just annoyed by uart's self righteous comment about Pakistan not having more than 1000 internet connections. I mean, don't forget that for all you say, HSBC 2050 (please go see it online) mentions that India has a poverty rate of 39% (400 MILLION) and life expectancy 3 years less than BANGLADESH. So stop the self righteous banter and we won't need to put you in your place.
what about the mumbai attack ,who involve in mumbae attack ,who produced ajaml qasab ........ indian establishment and indian government always create such kind of drama and blame on Pakistan.............
To all Indians: Your stupid military can't tell the difference between planets and Chinese satelites, so don't even try to pretend that Pakistan started shooting first. You people have hated Pakistan even before it was formed, and your pursuit of this hatred that is the source of all this trouble. Accept the reality of Pakistan's existence, and get out of Kashmir. You may have killed a Pakistani soldier today, and feel very brave about such unprovoked aggression, but his exposes your animus towards Pakistan and shows the world the decietful liars that you really are.
And ET if you don'r print this comment, be ready for a lawsuit!
it happened just the day after indian army observed chinese drones :p . So might be they were firing at the sun in our border, taking it pakistani spy drone.
I wonder why India has issues with almost all it's neighbouring countries. Pakistan is of course the sworn enemy since birth but they have issues with Chinese etc. I guess we all should believe that the entire world is conspiring against them. I don't understand the holier than thou behaviour of India. @indian women, yes Pakistan has a million issues like you pointed out but I still feel great here. Pakistan is going through a rough patch like many other countries go through but trust me Pakistan will be just fine. It has managed to survive through a tumultuous history and it just shows the resilience of this country and its people. Pakistan Zindabad!
To Viru(Indian): I doubt if you are really Indian. But if you are, then shame on people like you. Most of us Indians are happy that Indian army is able to defend and reply in the way other party understands. Every nation has the right to defend it including your beloved Pakistan. If you are so sad, then pay compensation from your Pocket. We are proud of Indian Army, Jai Hind!!
Pakistan lelo katrina day do.
Ps. Et stop hiding comments its frustrating really.and a breech of personal rights whereby one rights his comment and its not published. As long as it is not abusive or hate mongering you have no right to moderate.
@@uart: poor and homeless is entirely better than everyday bomb blastings,,,sectarian violence,,!!!!so dont worry abt indians,,we will manage ourselves,,with out the intervention of any western country,,,so its better for u to look after ur own country's problems!!!!,,,if ur hurted by my words,,,i am sorry,,,but it is the fact!!
@ABKhan: yeah,,we r also requesting same thing to ET!!!!
@Terry: Please don't get disappointed ET is "neutral" and candid. if you want to see the truth then people of India and Pakistan should stop "Jingoism" . One should understand the difference between patriotism and jingoism.Jingoism will never solve any problem. ET is Candid and allows comments from across the border that's why so many Indians across the border come and comment on "ET" or "Dawn" and like to read ET or Dawn.
@Bharat Verma: Ministry of communication, Govt. Of India.
Big words coming from someone who's country is home to around 50% of the ENTIRE WORLD'S POOR AND HOMELESS
@kala_bacha: "For my Indian trolls, Indian army is the most innocent and they always provoke by Pakistan army."
It is Pakistan's stated policy to try to annex Kashmir and it has initiated multiple wars to do so. While your leaders told you in the past that India started the 1965 wars, now people like Asghar Khan do acknowledge that all India Pakistan wars were started by Pakistan. Your establishment also lied to you in 1999 when it told you Pakistan army was not involved in Kargill but the facts are now out and it is established that Pakistan army DID start Kargill. Same thing with regards to pushing jihadis to India throughout the 1990s whereby thousands of Indians died and hundreds of thousands of Pandits became homeless. Initially Pakistan pretended that it was an indigenous uprising which Pakisan just gave moral suport to but now Pakistan admits that it was foreigners that were sent to Kashmir and trained and funded by Pakistan. Your establishment or politicians never shared the Hamudoor Rehman report with you or even the most recent Abbotabad commission report. Your leaders also lied to you tha India was stealing your water when each time a neutral arbitrator that Pakistan went to ruled in India's favour.
When it comes to India any errors by the army have been openly acknowledged and course corrections made be it 1962 or 1999 where there were significant intelligence failures.
In light of these facts, where Pakistani army has repeatedly lied to its own people, and India has been open with its people I am more likely to believe India than Pakistan when it comes to incidents like this.
@funangames Every bullet you fire India, is one too many. Dont take our silence as forgiveness.
I agree partially. Every death on either side is one death too many. Having said that you are misinformed if you think that Pakistan is silent and not retaliating. It is Pakistan that started the interaction and India that retaliated despite ISPR telling you something to the contrary. ANyway, I hope better sense prevails.
@PAKhtoon: 1103 recommendations, i wonder the total number of internet connection in pakistan would be half of this.
@ABKhan: one hour and 238 recommendations!! good going.
@ABKhan: ET is becoming almost an Indian mouth piece. It is giving an opportunity to Indian Trolls (who must be working for Indian propaganda machinery) to corrupt some very valid and honest comment by other readers. A true example of yellow journalism. ET must be getting paid by SAFMA and other anti Pakistan organization. Curse on you watan farosh.
At least I am boycotting ET and will propagate this in other blogs. No more comments....ET
First of all let the soul of the solider rest in peace. Its unfortunate that I am seeing the same headlines again. Its shame to both India and Pakistan that such incidents happen across the border and poor innocent soldiers get killed. Let god prevent such fateful occurrences from occurring in the future.Poor people are dying in-between the egos of the rich people of the two nation. These occurrences does not happen across the Indian borders between India and China, Nepal, Bhutan, Srilanka and Bangladesh but unfortunately occurs frequently across India and Pakistan borders. The two countries should discuss this issue and let Aman Ki Asha take place between the countries. As an Indian citizen I feel India can give compensation to the family of the deceased and it would be a first step in the Aman Ki Asha.
@ABKhan: why are you crying?....why blaming ET? lots of pakistanis are now also supports India. Great India.
@aalia: "@Satish Chandra: can anyone tell me what ^this man wants to say?"
Never mind, If he has been successful in distracting you, the purpose is served.
The dirty-political-game is taking lives of innocent people on both sides. The corrupt politicians of both sides do not want peace in the region and they are prompting psychological warfare in the mind of their nation.
@funangames Every bullet you fire India, is one too many. Dont take our silence as forgiveness.
You mean we should put our guns down and surrender when you shoot at us? Sorry, we are not you.
@aalia killing peaceful protesters in kasmir is not insanity?
Yes, but shooting in self defence at a violent mob attacking the check post is definitely not. We all know what happens when mobs form on blasphemy allegations.
I think ET should rename this website to "ET India" where 99% of Pakistani comments will be censored and all the bogus,boring and long Indian comments will be posted
@Satish Chandra: Bhai sahab, your written piece is the mother of all conspiracies. I disagree with you but you are entitled to your opinions. Indian republic is not a banana country, jai hind. Rab rakha
@Wassim: Dear brother if the problems of the common people are solved then whom will they rule they pretend to serve the poor but actually they serve their class and who are killed on the border on both sides are common people if a survey is conducted it will be seen that not even a single relative son daughter has been killed on the border, It is for the common man ie the poor people on both sides to think and ask themselves why we are killing each other cant we live peacefully and ask these questions to the politicians only then there will be peace.
May Allah grant the Shaheed the highest place in Jannat.
And BTW, ofcourse Indian army will be the innocent party in this incident, when the whole World knows of their devilish tactics in Indian-occupied Kashmir and with in other states of India.
Every bullet you fire India, is one too many. Dont take our silence as forgiveness.
joys of aman ki asha.. maybe now reality can set in that india does not want peace!
and we are too busy watching Katrina and amitabh. =(
@Satish Chandra: can anyone tell me what ^this man wants to say?
@Polpot: killing peaceful protesters in kasmir is not insanity?
ET: if a will comment by an indian identity will you publish it?
Indian army should be blamed for this incidence. They were the ones that started the retaliatory firing of RPG's and machine guns.
There will be regular attempts from Pakistani side, both state sponsored and also by non-state actors, to push terrorists, talibans and al quaida to India. Indian army should retaliate and more importantly preempt such attempts by any any whatever means necessary.
ET: you removed my comment just because it was pro pakistan. I can better understand your agenda now. All reders, count the number of comments by indians.
Difficult to believe that either side would "target" the other without some reason. What is the mechanism behind these sporadic occurrences, I wonder? Perhaps some retired servicemen from either side can give some honest information.
@Satish Chandra: Sorry, can you go over that once again, please?
@Naveen: "Any loss of life is to be regretted. May Sanity makes a quick comeback." =+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ But Ms Alia above wants double the insanity......which asylum does she belong to?
@Bharat Verma
" India, Pakistan and Bangladesh should be reunite into one secular country."On the contrary.
The modern secular Republic of India has been possible ONLY because of the creation of "Pakistan" and "Bangladesh".
If not the whole of Indian subcontinent would have been the "Islamic Republic of Bharat". Shri MA Jinnah is next only Shri Adi Shankara in his contribution to the preservation of Indic civilization.
Shri Shankara ensured the spiritual foundation of India and Shri Jinnah ensured freedom for the majority of non-muslims of the subcontinent.
To Indians and Pakistanis,
Understand that both the armies will blame the other. And both the armies are not holy cows. It's obvious that one of them started the firing first. But it's a given that no one will acknowledge to that and put the blame on the other.
In my opinion, border incidences should be ignored by us public because there is no way we can know what the truth is. On either side of the border.
I can assure both of you that they will even themselves out.
@Mughees: Dear Mr Mughees, its not your problem, its political leadership which has made you less educated. It was mistake of India to grant Pakistan and Bangladesh, which have now turned out to be Jurassic Parks in Western and Eastern sectors of India.
These two sons of India wanted to have an Islamic state, but there are gigantic schisms between Punjab, Sindh or Balochistan provinces, for example on Western sector. India, Pakistan and Bangladesh should be reunite into one secular country.
@Satish Chandra: Looking at your genius one crore was too low and an insult indeed; when they themselves are looting billlions
Can we please have the name of this soldier? Will his family verify it?
in this era of satellites and video imaging,how is it impossible to record the incidents as they happen so that allegations from either side could be affirmed or refuted on evidence
ET Please write a note at the end of the article that only indians are allowed to comment..... Thanks
Any loss of life is to be regretted. May Sanity makes a quick comeback.
@kala_bacha: Atleast you have this much of courage to accept the truth. Thank god for giving him sadbuddhi!
@Mughees: the whole world know who is coward and losers.
It's Pakistan's word against the indian word. The blame game continues, who gives a damn about the dead soldier who just so happens to be another statistic in the never ending tit for tat between the two countries which for all intents and purposes have a million more pressing issues to focus their energies on. As they say, "The more things change, the more they remain the same".
Peace Chota Bhai
@ Mr Bharat Verma oh that why people are killed on this side of the border and on Indian side its just the RPGs and heavy machine guns which leads to exchange of fires with no killings. Try to educate your self with facts and then pass your statement. I hope Pakistan army doesn't spare this pity act of coward bunch of losers.
Pakistan will keep on violating caesefire and Congress will keep on pursuing peace talks. Sometimes I wish I could pretend to be a Talibani and murder these useless leaders. Aggression should be met with aggression. There should be no peace talks till Pakistan fixes itself. Pakistan is rotting its economy and diverting all its resources towards the military, but exactly how many terrorists have been killed by this military so far? They can't controll terrorism in their own country, they can't control terrorists from attacking their neighbour countries, whats worse - Pak Army regularly violates ceasefire and attacks Indian border posts. How can any country in the world trust Pakistan? How long is it going to support terrorism? How long is Pakistan going to waste its peoples' money on making nuclear bombs? Pakistan thinks it has the biggest influence on the "Muslim Ummah", but in reality, NO Muslim country 'cares' for Pakistan.
For my Indian trolls, Indian army is the most innocent and they always provoke by Pakistan army.
In btw feel sorry for the great lost of jawaan.
See what I have said below about the CIA making India's RAW and Pakistan's ISI carry out border incidents:-I ) Indian media should cover nothing but Satish Chandra. Modi is CIA-sponsored. India's government is a proxy for the CIA. The requirement, put in place by Manmohan Singh, for mid-career Indian civil servants (sending Indian military officers for training to the United States has the same purpose) to go to U.S. universities for training so their future career prospects, promotions, etc. are controlled by Americans is meant to make India's government as a proxy for the CIA more perfect. There has been a long-standing requirement in American and British universities that to receive a Ph.D. degree from them, Indians -- this included Manmohan Singh -- have to agree to work for American or British intelligence agencies. All politicians are controlled by the CIA and deserve death. The world's greatest scientist and India's legitimate ruler -- Satish Chandra -- has been systematically suppressed using 24-hour satellite surveillance for the past 36 years. IndiasLegitimateRulerSatishChandraDOTblogspotDOTcom
II ) JULY 16-20, 2013: The following is a comment I posted on Chitra Subramaniam's piece on Quattrocci's death and Bofors at newslaundryDOTcom; the comment went for 'moderation', then published, then deleted within minutes by the CIA and then restored when the CIA saw I had seen it had deleted it and was about to repost it, then deleted again when I was away from the computer for a few hours after I wrote, regarding CIA's plan to use India's population for AIDS vaccine development and its blackmailing Rajiv Gandhi, who at first refused, with the Bofors and HDW kickback disclosures to agree to this plan, about Rajiv Gandhi and Vajpayee agreeing to CIA-RAW spreading heroin addiction in India's tribal Northeast to create a population of AIDS infected people for this purpose; now the CIA is preventing the comment from being reposted :-
"The CIA keeps deleting my comment. I am reposting it. India's government is a proxy for the CIA. The requirement, put in place by Manmohan Singh, for mid-career Indian civil servants (sending Indian military officers for training to the United States has the same purpose) to go to U.S. universities for training so their future career prospects, promotions, etc. are controlled by Americans is meant to make India's government as a proxy for the CIA more perfect. There has been a long-standing requirement in American and British universities that to receive a Ph.D. degree from them, Indians -- this included Manmohan Singh -- have to agree to work for American or British intelligence agencies. All politicians are controlled by the CIA and deserve death. The world's greatest scientist and India's legitimate ruler -- Satish Chandra -- has been systematically suppressed using 24-hour satellite surveillance for the past 36 years. IndiasLegitimateRulerSatishChandraDOTblogspotDOTcom
I called this piece of dog-faeces -- Chitra Subramanian -- to say that the Bofors and HDW kickback disclosures were orchestrated and calibrated by the CIA to blackmail Rajiv Gandhi into letting India's population be used as guinea pigs for the development of an AIDS vaccine after he at first refused and that, while the kickback charges were true and should be reported, the use of the charges for this purpose should also be reported. The center of this operation was Harvard's School of Public Health and I had detailed and first hand knowledge of it. This piece of dog-faeces, who worked for the CIA, knew I was the world's greatest scientist but called the information I gave her a "conspiracy theory" and insultingly blew me off. She reportedly has cancer and I hope has a gruesome death. There were only a few hundred cases of AIDS infection in India at the start of the plan to use India's population as guinea pigs for AIDS vaccine development and to spread AIDS infection in India for this purpose; now India has several million cases of AIDS infection. India's RAW, on behalf of the CIA, undertook to spread heroin addiction -- sharing needles among addicts is a principal route of AIDS infection -- in India's tribal Northeast under a 3-way agreement between the CIA, Rajiv Gandhi and Vajpayee. But, of course, the infection did not remain confined to the tribal Northeast. A report in India Abroad newspaper quoted someone at the All India Institute of Medical Sciences saying 'Why should we let our tribal people be used for AIDS vaccine development?' To deal with such resistance, a former head of the Indian Council for Medical Research, V. Ramalingaswami, was brought to the Harvard School of Public Health and given the royal treatment, to the extent of the secretaries adopting British pronunciations in deference to his pronunciation of words. After the CIA's plan was accepted by the Indian government, he was rewarded with a several year appointment at another U.S. university. When he was still resisting the CIA's plan, a report in the same newspaper quoted Rajiv Gandhi defiantly saying he will not be pressurised by "transfer of technology", etc. Once Rajiv Gandhi agreed to have India's population used for AIDS vaccine development, the Bofors disclosures stopped and Vajpayee when prime minister actively covered up the Bofors matter. In press releases and letters and articles to the press I have described these developments over almost 3 decades."
On August 9, 2008, CIA Director Michael Hayden and former chairman of India's Joint Intelligence Committee, K. Subrahmanyam, came on line and offered to transfer one crore (ten million) rupees into my bank account within 48 hours if I agreed to work for the CIA. This was coupled with various kinds of threats and abuse. Several dozen of the most abusive comments were deleted by them before I saved the comments on my computer but the offer to transfer one crore rupees into my bank account is in the comments saved and their text only version can be seen at HaydenSubrahmanyamDOTblogspotDOTcom (many are harassive comments posted by them in my name). To see the comments as they appeared on the published page, go to PsychotherapyDOTeBoardDOTcom, then on the page that appears click on the tab labeled "Offer to me by CIA Director and K. Subrahmanyam", go to the bottom of the page that appears then click the link at the bottom of that page. This file of their comments has also been attached to my press releases, including today's, thousands of times. When I did not respond to their offer, Hayden said "I am concerned that Satish Chandra may not cooperate due to his super-patriotism and high intellect" and K. Subrahmanyam said "I am hoping tht Satish Chandra's patriotism can be purchased. His deductive skills are amazing and he can of great use to the cause of Indo-US friendship". First K. Subrahmanyam said "I admire your courage. But I must know how you know so much about myself, RAW operations, and the C.I.A.-RAW nexus. You are a genius indeed, and we would like to do business with you", and Hayden said "We at the CIA are also amazed at the deductive skills and intellect of Satish Chandra" -- a testimonial to my patriotism and intellect from the enemy.
On the page containing the CIA Director's and K. Sbubrahmanyam's comments, where the latter mocks the people of Uttar Pradesh and Bihar for their English, a comment of mine says: "1) Citizen inspectors should constantly inspect all nuclear facilities ... to ensure that no IAEA inspections take place. 2) No firangi should be allowed on the streets of Indian cities or elsewhere unless accompanied by firangi-watchers and firangi-hunters and can satisfy the latter that he/she is going for some legitimate purpose ... . 3) Any Indian found associating with firangis in any way should be beaten to death on the spot." At this the BJP president said that the English language has caused a great deal of damage to India. At this a Congress party spokesman on July 19 '13 said "I sometimes feel like laughing at our friends. On one side their vision document is outsourced to people who don’t speak any language other than English" -- meaning myself because I had written that in a telephone conversation I had to apologize to Vajpayee for switching to English as I was no longer fluent in Hindi. The Anglo-Americans killed over ten million Indians -- by gun and sword not famine -- in just the ten years after 1857 in just Uttar Pradesh, Haryana and Bihar and continue to hold India in the deepest slavery because of which no politician or media organ dares to utter my name. If, despite this, a political party does not make the coast-to-coast destruction of the United States the central part of its vision document, it is not serious about reversing the damage done to India by the Anglo-Americans. I have already given India the means to destroy Washington and New York now and the rest of the United States five years later.
The BJP General Secretary in Tamil Nadu was killed by RAW -- which is a branch of the CIA (WhatYouShouldKnowAboutRAWDOTblogspotDOTcom ) -- to replace 'Anyone found associating with firangis should be beaten to death on the spot ' , above, with 'Anyone found associating with Hindi-speakers ... '. When I write about defending against the United States, RAW carries out terrorist attacks or border incidents to replace it with defence against Muslims or Pakistan. In Pakistan, Iraq, etc., the CIA makes Shias and Sunnis fight each other to replace fighting their common enemy, the United States. It has successfully made China and Japan fight over some islands to replace fighting their common enemy, the United States.
English is dominant because the Anglo-Americans militarily dominated India and remain India's rulers via their Indian proxies. English in India is an aspect of India's continued slavery to the Anglo-Americans and is a consequence of India's military subjugation to them. Other aspects of the slavery include, for example, the Indian government spreading AIDS in India to provide its white masters a population of AIDS infected people to use as guinea pigs for vaccine development. Another aspect, for example, is the Indian government inviting its foreign masters to use India's population as slave manufacturers and collaborating in the suppression of the world's greatest scientist and greatest Indian of all time (IndiasTraitorGovtAndMediaDOTblogspotDOTcom ). The important thing is the coast-to-coast destruction of the United States. That will destroy all aspects of the slavery including linguistic slavery.
III ) How India’s Economy Can Grow 30% Per Year Or More: HowIndiasEconomyCanGrowDOTblogspotDOTcom
Suppose a government wishes to increase the country's Gross Domestic Product (GDP) by twenty, thirty or forty percent in a given year over and above, say, a seven percent increase that is expected. All it has to do is print and spend an additional amount, equal to twenty, thirty or forty percent of the GDP, in that year on productive purposes. By definition, the GDP would have increased by an additional twenty, thirty or forty percent that year (not counting the multiplier effect, referred to in my letters to the press, which will depend on how the money is spent). Printing the money takes no creativity, thinking up productive purposes to spend it on does not take much either. The money can be spent directly by the government, through private parties or both ways though, of course, by spending the money directly, the government does not have to wait for private parties to come up with proposals. The important thing is that how much the GDP grows next year-- seven percent or twenty seven percent or more-- is strictly in the government's own hands.
Terms such as "deficits" (there are no deficits when all the money a government spends is printed by it; if the government does take in money as taxes or charges, the effects of deficits on interest rates occur only if the government borrows the additional money, not if it prints it) and "overheating" of the economy are worthless concepts which only serve to maintain the status quo in which various people have a vested interest. As I wrote some years ago, "people get pleasure from the pain and deprivation of others and [reference to a head of government], who is no exception, will not want [a change]".
Note that the recommendation above is to print and spend an amount equal to twenty, thirty or forty percent of the GDP IN ADDITION TO whatever the government was otherwise going to do by way of taxing (unnecessary as it is) and spending, etc. Since the production of goods and services, including consumer as well as capital goods, will rise right along with the additional spending, any effects of the additional spending will be benign. Even if some adverse effects are postulated, in no way can they overcome the huge advantage from a GDP growth of twenty seven percent or more over seven percent in a year.
During war, government spending on equipment and supplies (guns and bullets, etc.) can suddenly increase ten, twenty or fifty times. During World War II, the United States government put in place price controls (under J. K. Galbraith) to curb the inflationary effect of such spending (since production capacity was diverted to war equipment and supplies from consumer items). (It was the enormous increase in U. S. government spending during World War II that gave rise to its 'National Debt'). A similarly sudden and large increase in government spending in peace time on the production of food, clothing, shelter, transportation, etc., for the citizenry will not result in the kind of price rise the United States expected in World War II, because the production of consumer goods and services will increase along with the money supply-- even if a lot of the additional spending is directed to military purposes. In any case, price controls can be used in peace time, if necessary, as in war time.
It is noteworthy that both the United States government and the Indian government had proceeded to implement my proposal about money, as I have described in letters dated August 1, 2001, September 6, 2001 and April 13, 2001 (also letters about stock market manipulation by the U.S. Treasury Department by pumping money into the stock market; Bush made a trip through an underground tunnel from the White House to the Treasury Department to see the set up created for such manipulation) that appeared in the American online newspaper thecurrentonline; they can be found at SatishChandraInTheCurrentonlineDOTblogspotDOTcom . The Vajpayee government set up a separate Cabinet Committee on Economic Strategy for the purpose of stealing my proposal about money. When I pointed out that they were trying to STEAL my proposal about money, they stopped implementing it. The U.S. Federal Reserve has been buying more than a trillion dollars of U.S. Treasury bonds every year -- another way of applying my proposal about money. The DMK government in Tamil Nadu was having Indian currency printed in China with the connivance of the head of the Reserve Bank of India, given to A. Raja as bribes and used to give freebies to the people of Tamil Nadu -- its way of applying my proposal about money since the Central government would not apply it to India as a whole.
I have said (see my blog titled 'Nuclear Supremacy For India Over U.S.' ) in letters to the press in 1998 and subsequently that the firangis gave the Nobel prize in Economics to the mediocre Indian named Amartya Sen as a substitute for the Nobel prize for me since they would not let their crimes against me, committed in collaboration with India’s RAW and India’s prime ministers, be exposed. When Clinton, as president, held a White House conference on the “New Economy”, the “New Economy” was the economy that my proposal about money leads to; of all the dozens of Nobel prize winners in Economics, he invited Amartya Sen to the conference -- though Sen had absolutely nothing to do with the “New Economy” -- because he is their mediocre Indian substitute for the greatest Indian of all time they have been committing crimes against. When Amartya Sen was given the Nobel prize, Vajpayee left New Delhi for several days to avoid meeting him, because he knew Sen was the firangis’ dummy substitute to cover their crimes against me, but RAW kept Sen waiting in New Delhi several days till Vajpayee yielded and gave him all the honours CIA-RAW wanted him to receive as a substitute for me.
Satish Chandra
India's detailed version:
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pak-targets-indian-posts-in-poonch-heavy-firing-along-loc/409803-3-245.html
Look at the time of their posting.
And now the facts.
Pakistani troops violated ceasefire by targeting Indian posts along the Line of Control in Poonch district with RPGs and heavy machine guns leading to heavy exchange of fire. Pakistani troops have targeted Indian posts by firing rocket projectile grenades (RPGs) and heavy machine guns along LoC in Doda Battalion forward area in Poonch district since 0730 hours on Saturday.
There was no loss of life or injury to anyone in the firing.