Some Pakistanis, including myself, might believe that giving into anything that the Taliban demand by force is as bad a blow to Pakistani sovereignty as illegal drone strikes, but that’s just the pseudo-liberal lot and besides the point.
Alvi later took to Twitter to clarify his stance and spoke about how parents had the right to choose whichever kind of schooling they wanted their children to receive and that kind of schooling, (whether co-ed or single-sex) in any given constituency, should be decided democratically.
It is worthwhile to mention that the effectiveness of Twitter clarifications is also questionable due to the amount of Pakistanis that might use Twitter and Pakistan’s low percentage of internet penetration. The number of television viewers, on the other hand, has to be far greater. Also, such a clarification, after a massive wave of criticism, seems more like damage control than airing an actual political stance, and once something of this sort is said, true opinion seems to come to light and it is very difficult to put the cat back in the bag.
Later, revelations aside, during the said show, Alvi made some very interesting points. He thought co-education was not exactly compatible with all of Pakistan. Again, most of Pakistan, including myself, might disagree and feel regardless of all politics and democratic decrees that both single-sex and co-ed options should be available to constituents and that whereever women’s rights are are under attack, those rights should be imposed irrespective of cultural norms or traditions.
On the topic of women’s rights, Imran Khan also, quite recently, voiced his discontent over reserved seats for women in parliament and later went on to have his party represent the lowest percentage of women contesting on general seats during the 2013 election. The icing on the cake though has to be the agreement that the PTI co-signed with a number of political parties in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (K-P), which it currently rules, to bar women from voting in Upper and Lower Dir. Let’s also not forget that the PTI is currently a coalition partner of the Jamaat-e-Islami in K-P, which has also historically not been the strongest supporters of women’s rights either.
Coming back to MNA Alvi, it is indeed very interesting that he supports the idea of the abolition of co-ed schooling, particularly in regions where the Taliban menace is rampant because the Taliban have also had a history of attacking girls’ schools and colleges and are very opposed to girls being educated, the attack on Malala Yousufzai being a case in point.
This whole business of negotiating with irrational savages just seems confusing and futile. It has to be reiterated, so that there is no middle ground to accommodate what the Taliban want, while obeying the laws and regulations set by the Constitution of Pakistan.
To conclude, it is ironic how Alvi was voted in after immense controversy by the so-called educated, urban elite of Karachi; one must wonder whether this was the Naya Pakistan they spent hours in line to vote for, not once but twice, and then even risked their lives by protesting outside on the streets for days on end.
Published in The Express Tribune, June 26th, 2013.
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Those who are commenting saying that the problem to be solved is illiteracy, not the debate over closing down co-ed schools need to understand that such statements on public television can't be ignored, especially when the stance of a major militant group is in question.
@SKAR: "@Ali Tanoli: Yes separate work places, separate entertainment places, separate public transport …. every thing should be separate. Naya & Antique Pakistan." . IK and JI have supposedly acquired the services of Malik Riaz, with Ali Tanoli as an adviser, to build a whole City for Women Only. Where males will be strictly forbidden to enter---even a boy-infant though still suckling, will be separated from his mother.
Seriously? did this writer really write what I just read? I mean have you ever been to Pakistan? Ever bothered to mingle with what represents our 90% of the public?
The standard of articles and writers these days has dropped to feces. Authorities should be more strict on writers' caliber and quality.
The most ignorant and clueless article I've ever read in my entire life! what a waste!
Arif alvi was voted in by the lot who are now raising hue and cry over his and Imran kahan's support for Tailbans interpretation and enforcement of Islam. Suffer and wait till next elections .
I don't know how educated people fail to understand the big picture and keep on bickering on petty issues.
Empowering the people by educating is the foremost target especially in KP if a secondary issue of coeducation is ignored it still solves the main problem!
@Ali Tanoli: There should be separate educational institutes for girls but wiping out co-education just because of Taliban is ... . We all know what Taliban have done in Swat by destroying girls colleges, they are against woman education. I am a PTI supporter but this statement by Mr Alwi disappointed me because these kind of statements show our weakness and strengthens Taliban.
Some time, some where and some day people of Pakistan will have to decide as to what sort of society and what sort of world it wants to be part of. Is it the modern, progressive world based on reason, science and logic with equality and freedom of faith OR a nation that wants to live and freeze itself in an era of just faith and a society that follows the customs, traditions, thinking of a society that lived by sword hundreds of years back in the area of Mecca and Medina. Sooner the better.
Reading the article and the following comments I feel as if I am in some weird part of cyber. Whats wrong if people want single sex schools. I know many parents who do not send their daughters to good schools just bcz they are co-ed. If given a choice more than 90% of the parents in Pakistan will send their children, especially their daughters to a single sex schools. This is democracy. Isn't it?
Somebody commented that this is Arif Alvi's personal stance. Mujahid Khan demands the release of an assassin, that too was reportedly personal opinion. Clearly, PTI is not even united on ideology, and is confused how to handle the small mandate they have surprisingly gotten hold of. I can't get past the fact that we have begun to take orders from the TTP and have begun to succumb to the bigotry of those who have the mental balance of the Aedis Aegypti. Today their demand gets accepted on public television, tomorrow they demand that Islamabad be handed over to them. The PTI are just a good looking splinter group from the rotten old Jamaat e pseudo e Islami.
Whatever the criticism is, the reality is the majority of Parents and girls (not sure about boys) in Pakistan do not want to go to co-ed schools. Our goal should be to educate them however they are comfortable rather than having them quit schooling because they are not comfortable studying in co-eds. If they prefer separate schools, lets provide them. It is still better than they remain uneducated.
As a side note, I have studied in both systems and honestly I don't feel much difference in outcomes. So this discussion is meaningless to start with. When our people will start being adaptive of others preferences and respect their views rather than dragging them into our version and our way of modernity - the progress will be inevitable.
I emailed Prof Chomsky and asked if a population wants to study in segregated schools, should the Govt. allow them to do so under true principles of liberalism. He replied: "I think so. ..."
and we know whats going on in co education schools whether east or west.....
@skar, mj, lot of girls left uneducated for just co education in many parts of Pakistan even in Karachi before Fatimah Jinnah women university nazimabad, and girls colleges there were many peoples don't wanna send there girls to co school including may family. and about other thing mr skar, I gues after getting meried women can go with her husband or atleast approval of her husband.
The TTP (and those whose mindsets are like those who lived in the Stone Age, like jamat-e-islami members) are deadly opponents of modern education for girls, which is why they shot Malala and burnt down more than a hundred girls' schools. I'm amazed that there are people around like Arif Alvi, who were born and brought up in Karachi, and are still supporters of the Taliban. Perhaps it's because Arif Alvi's father was a member of the Congress before Partition (and later the Jamaat-e-Islami), both parties which strenuously opposed the creation of Pakistan.
@MJ The biggest reason for seprate school for girls is so many parents don't wanna send there girls to co schools after high school that I witniced in my areas or atleast in my village and then I saw after opening up the girls college and now university most of parents don't mind.
@MJ peoples don't mind in Pakistan for there leaders based and educated in London new York and if poor ali tanoli said something its a big deal isnot it??
@Ali Tanoli: Yes separate work places, separate entertainment places, separate public transport .... every thing should be separate. Naya & Antique Pakistan.
Education should be prime responsibility of the government. At the state level, they should decide (as it is the case now) to have segregated schools. In my view, we cannot compare Pakistan with the West. We have our own culture, our own values. At private level, the schools and parents can do anything (as it is now). So the main issue is to improve the quality of state run schools so that children have decent education and without spending too much money. For parents, who can spend more money, they can opt any private school, co-ed or otherwise. PTI and other parties should focus on improving the quality and quantity of state run schools, rather then indulging into non-profitable debate.
Well, the writer has every right to criticize Alvi's opinion after all criticism is the beauty of democracy. On the other hand, this is Alvi's mere opinion and the writer wrongly manifests this issue as PTI's. The writer has every right to criticize but he can't criticize voters who voted for PTI. Living in America, the writer assumes many things hypothetically.
It is funny, and often neglected - PTI uses the term "negotiating" with the Taliban. However, a quick look at Taliban's stance and it becomes completely clear that they are not looking for a negotiation, at any possible level. It is more of a "take it or leave it" deal. And yet, over and over we are subjected to MNA Alvi or any other person from PTI bombarding their screen time with the claim that they will negotiate with the Taliban. Who are they kidding around with?
Step 1: Separate school for boys and girls. Step 2: Separate them again--Muslims and non Muslims. Step 3: Separate them again Sunni/Shia Muslims.
Wow Pakistan will be more pious than Saudi Arabia.(but sadly without oil)
@ all pakistanis, if you are starved for funds especially for schooling, it is logical to go for co-ed schools. no point having two buildings, in same locality. Only advantage of separate schools is , Any way it will be easy for your "conservative" poppulation to bomb girls school only. and leave the boys school free.
@Ahmad, do u hv a link for this research to prove yourself. I have a different opinion alltogether. statistics of results of board examinations shows the other way round.
According to a global report by education firm Pearson, South Korea ranked 2nd in educational excellence in the world (Finland 1st, USA 17th) during 2012.
A group of researchers from the University of Pennsylvania traveled to Seoul South Korea, because in Seoul, students are RANDOMLY assigned either to single-gender or to coed high schools. The assignment is truly random, and compulsory.
Findings: "Our analyses show that single-sex schools are causally linked with both college entrance exam scores and college-attendance rates for both boys and girls. Attending all-boys schools or all-girls schools, rather than attending coeducational schools, is significantly associated with higher average scores on Korean and English test scores. Compared with coeducational schools, single-sex schools have a higher percentage of graduates who moved on to four-year colleges".
Who cares......educate the women anywhere. Just do it.
Thanks @np for clarifying my point succinctly. @mother I never said the state will decide which schools children should go to and that is EXACTLY the argument here. Co-ed or segregated, both options should be available and it should be a child's right & choice to go to whichever school they want to.
@Ali Tanoli: "I agreed with Arif Alvi he is 100% right we should have seprate college and universities for girls.." With views such as these, what are you doing in the US, arguably one of the most mixed and equitable society on earth?
@gp65: You know its funny. It is the "poor villages/districts" where you ll find separate schools for boys and girls not the big urban centers. My point is, as @Sana suggested, we should be focussing on fighting illiteracy rather than how to fight it. To me, this discussion is cosmetic stuff to start with.
But anyway, thanks for sweating over Pakistani issues. I am sure India doesn't have any separate schools!
The main thing is to remove illetracy whether through same sex schools or co-ed school...!..kpk is a conservative province..i bet if u carry a survey in kpk, 90% people there would be against co- ed schooling...actually modern day so-called liberals/seculars want to impose their agenda just like what taaliban does...these liberals dont even care about majority peoples wishes/ democracy, when something is being implemented against their views!
@Mother: If your daughter wants to go to a girls only school she should have the right. Equally if some other parents want their kid to go to a co-ed they too should have the right. But Arif Alvi suggested closing down co-ed schools to appease TTP. How does that increase choice for parents? His later statements are deliberately misleading.
The fact that Mr. Alvi's comment was made to be such a big controversy is just sad to me. Why have we zeroed in to the fact of whether we are to have co-ed or single sex schools, when we don't even have functional schools or decent education for the masses in the first place? For goodness sake can we for once talk about building schools and improving our quality of education, once we have gotten to the point where we have quality education available for the rich and the poor should we debate on co-ed or single sex schools. and FYI! THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH SINGLE SEX SCHOOLS! I am from Karachi's DHA area and went to The City School, one of the prestigious schools in the nation and guess what? IT WAS SEGREGATED! It didn't impact my education, heck I ended up getting in to The University of Texas with a scholarship thanks to the education I recieved there. If there are parents out there who are more willing to send their kids to school if its single sex than what is the harm? Lets all focus on bigger issues instead of holding on to every little thing some PTI MNA or MPA or CM does. Don't care much for PTI, but this is getting a little ridiculous.
@Dee: My child does not want to go to a co-ed school and she is a brilliant student. You are telling me that the state will decide which schools she must feel comfortable studying in? Its my child's right to study in an environment she feels comfortable and it is my right as a mother to be able to provide an environment to my kid under which she performs best. Learn democracy before preaching it please.
Arif Alvi did not say that we have to have separate schools for girls and boys. Why liberals are conveniently missing the point?
It should be people's choice. Aren't we all struggling to empower people in the spirit of democracy? Democracy means taking care of everyone's sensitivities. He essentially said that it should be people's choice to send their kids to whichever school they want. Just as I want my kids to study in certain schooling system doesn't mean my neighbor's kid should go to the same schooling system. It should be their own choice. The state's responsibility is to accommodate both mindset. The goal should be to educate people rather than wasting time and energy on logistics of how, when and in what environment. We all have a bad habit of beating by the bush instead of going after the bush. The bush here is illiteracy folks.
"Parents had the right to choose whichever kind of schooling they wanted their children to receive and that kind of schooling"
Seriously?! Well guess what Mr. Alvi some parents don't want their children to be educated at all, they want them to work in either sweatshops or beg or get married at the age of 7. Welcome to Pakistan...just in case if you forgot!
I agreed with Arif Alvi he is 100% right we should have seprate college and universities for girls..