This file photo shows Russian built SU-30, part of the Indian airforce and bearing the Indian flag colours flying in formation. PHOTO: INDIANAIRFORCE.NIC.IN/FILE
The Pakistan Air Force said it scrambled two fighter jets after two "high-speed" Indian planes crossed the border over its eastern province of Punjab at about 10:40 am (0540 GMT).
The planes were reportedly five to seven miles inside Pakistan.
As soon as the violation occurred, the air traffic controller signaled the planes for a sign explaining the move. When no signal was sent back, the air traffic controller informed Pakistan Air Force (PAF).
While PAF was preparing to respond, the Indian planes had left Pakistani airspace two minutes later.
The Foreign Ministry conveyed serious concern to the Indian High Commission over the incident, Radio Pakistan reported.
India was told that Pakistan considers the airspace violation as a contravention of the 1991 bilateral agreement on Prevention of Airspace Violations.
India accused Pakistan last week of fomenting militancy in the Indian state of Punjab and killing a soldier in cross-border firing.
Pakistan rejected both allegations.
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@Polpot:
If only you had stayed beyond 2 mins you would have got a very WARM welcome.......
Pakistans objection to unmanned Drones is well known +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thats why India sent two manned aircrafts....but still received no welcome!
@CounterTerrorist: Note that I said JF 17- we wouldnt bother sending up our F16s: too easy!
Their airspace is our airspace and our airspace is theirs. We have nothing to hide from friends.
Looks like our Airforce pilots have acquired the habit of jumping lights as we commoners do on the streets of Delhi, Mumbai and other metros...
Pakistanis are making a mountain of a molehill as Pakistan must have committed atleast a million cross-border violations against India for the past six decades but got away without a scratch. However, India has so far restrained itself of committing any such violation against Pakistan and abides by the international norms and obligations. The present incident appears to be an error in judgement on part of the pilots and an inquiry must have been ordered by the concerned authorities.
@Arijit Sharma.: Not as far as the Hindus in Gujrat went in 2002...
I guess PAF is trained to take care of real estate business. Not warfare.
@Arijit How did Portugal got Goa, It was paart of India before. I think you need to have a look at history from Indian textbooks or even Intenet materails. please don't refer Pakistani textbook's for god sake
@advice: Well, the Indians should have stayed for a fight but they ran away. I always expect this from the IAF.
@M S Dhoni: Just remember December, 2012 and January this year. You should be able to remind who defeated whom, that too on their home ground.
@SAL:
Goa is a part of India colonized by Portugal. India took back what rightfully belongs to it.
@Rex Minor:
Sir, you can't say that and then accuse me of denying history!
Nothing to fret about. They were using Apple maps :)
What is Indian problem now? They don't like Nawaz government? So much for the Defence ministry under one of Nawaz Sharif's own portfolio. Let's see what he has to explain..
@sajid baig Are you some fool to believe Indian propagada.
@SAL: " ... Who took Goa by force from Portugal. This happened not too long ago. You need to study Indian History 101. ... "
How far back do you want to go ?
It is clear to me that this was a joint air exercise between USA, Israel and India. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Part of marketing support by the amreekans to sell their latest aircraft.
Ppl pld dont overract. ++++++++++++++++++ Six JF 17s were dispatched. They are specially trained to accompany a VIP jet entering Pakistan ( remember the Chinese PM?) So thats what they did....a ceremonial flypast.
@Karachi:O' Hello Karachi what has Gen Mush got to do with this and do you think that Army should come out to protect a person who has brought so much disgrace to Pakistan. He says one thing and writes another in his book.
@BILAL
Thank you for your comments. I think most of the commentators here are after ratings and do not think it through. Or maybe they are school kids who are enjoying unsupervised internet access due to summer vacation and no homework.
This IAF incursion is a reminder of the very real state-level threat Pakistan has on her eastern border from an enemy five times its size. We are all for good relations with India but we should also bear in mind this inconvenient truth because intentions can change in a few days but capabilities take decades to build. People who are advocating cuts to defense infrastructure are being gullible. Constantly learning from our mistakes and plugging any holes is an ongoing process that seldom achieves perfection.
,,,not a big deal for PAF, americans flew from Afghanistan, landed abotabad, took dead, and flown to sea to dump,,,,and PAF did not knew , or did any thing,,, we are over confidant about our forces.
This propaganda by the western media. We don't recognise israel as a legitimate state and have no diplomatic relations with israel. All naive peopke over here calling for friendly relations with dajjalic state are forgetting words of Quaid e Azam who said " Israel is the illegitimate child of the west". Are you people so foolish, naive and ignorant to rubbish ISPR's press release and believe we will buy military equipment from a state which is our ideological enemy and has tried to sabotage kahuta Research Lab Nuclear plant in 1982 and again in 1998 tried to attack the scientists to prevent nuclear blasts ??? Again they have been involved in covert operations against us via their agents in Pakistan throughout our history and today as well with support to TTP and BLA, BRA, BNP AND BLF. Why are you people so stupid to believe the above report to be gospel of truth ? Our radars did'nt detect OBL RAID BY AMERICANS caused they used stealth technology. Whereas indian fighter jets were in violation of our air space for 2 mins today. A counter Airborne by fighter jets response anywhere in the requires at least 5-6 mins to confront intruding bogies . Please research, learn and write. Vast majority of you all are posting on basis of false assumptions thanks to zionist controlled media.
@Yuri Kondratyuk
You have a point. I guess Indian military operation in kashmir was to have a ski vacations for few years and to former East Pakistan for a friendly afternoon tea with the old buddy Pakistani General of the colonial times! To deny history is not a good art. .
Rex Minor
i dont know why are you guys making an issue out of it.. i am a pilot and its not an unusual thing to enter the airspace of the other country by mistake while flying. This has happened many times with us because sometimes it becomes difficult for pilot to judge the border and once we get to know and get the warning we take a turn which takes atleast 3 minutes for a speedy jet.
@Yuri Kondratyuk: Who took Goa by force from Portugal. This happened not too long ago. You need to study Indian History 101.
@ahmad: This has nothing to do with BVR. Pakistan has F-16s with AIM-120 BVRAAMs that can easily respond to the BVR threat of the IAF.
The two minute stay in the Pakistani airspace is most likely inadvertent and secondly, PAF's air defence response is probably in the vicinity of 5-10 minutes unless we have aircraft on Air Defence Alert (ADA) duties with pilots sitting in the cockpits with their aircraft ready to go on the runways. This is usually not the norm during peacetime.
For those believing that this is an unforgivable sin on the part of the PAF, you need to realize that unless Pakistan has aircraft and AWACS flying 24/7, which is a very costly endeavor, such things can happen.
Perhaps the IAF was trying to probe the reaction times of the PAF if this is not an inadvertent mistake, but the PAF will keep an eye on such things in the future given this incident has happened.
Reading the comments here makes it evident that the summer vacation in schools has started and kids have no homework to do.
@hassan:
And you believe these stories!. As a matter of fact and how long was the response from the PAF to the intrusion of Two stealth choppers with seals on board who were sighted at the border crossing by the military post with naked eyes, completing the operation and the safe return of at least one chopper to the base in Afghanistan.
Rex Minor
@gp65:
You know very well what a "two minute" entry can do, don't you?
@hassan: What do you expect from an appendage of the New York Times?
The planes mentioned in your Zee News link were MIG 21's or the 'flying coffins' of the Indian Air Force. They were lucky to return to base: according to India Today 482 MIGs have crashed since 1972 giving the IAF the distinction of the airforce with the worst accident record in the world:
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/iaf-lost-half-of-mig-fighter-jets-in-deadly-crashes/1/187061.html
Frankly, Pakistan need not even have bothered to scramble their aircraft!
Indians might have taken pictures of pakistani side for sensitive installations
@Historian 1:
Well, Indian MiG-25s used to do that pretty often in 70s and 80s.
On a different note,, people should stop making mountain out of a mole hill and relax a little bit. When is the last 1000 years did India attack another country?!
The minimum time to scramble workld wide is 15 minutes, if the planes are on alert. I do not think Pakistan is mantaining a QRA for eastren border. Pilots have nothing to do with it. So pipe down ppl.
The actual blame lies with PAF Command Control and Servalence folks as they should have responded when the indian planes were in ADIZ.
A Good Good News.
Who do they think they are that they can just barge in like that?
zem news says "Pakistan Air Force initiated prompt tactical actions and scrambled two fighter aircraft to challenge the intruders. Upon PAF actions, Indian aircraft exited the Pakistani airspace," a PAF spokesperson said." while express reports "While PAF was preparing to respond, the Indian planes had left Pakistani airspace two minutes later." http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/pakistan-says-indian-jets-violate-air-space_854304.html
@Vectra: " the beast like Su 30 MKI is so powerful that it sometimes becomes difficult for IAF to control especially when they wish or desires to have a tour of Pakistan"
But they couldnt get that "TOUR of Pakistan" now could they?
They were told to BUZZ OFF at the gates.
Sounds less powerful and more beastly by the likes of it.
But maybe the dream which you revealed to me about this has an alternate story which you will tell me in reply to this...
@jg:
Do not try to explain the cause of weak defencs or relatavise it!! This is not a place for training! Are you asking a question how one defends the border violations or telling us why Pakistan military is unable to dfend its borders. It is not a secret that Inia is about ready to implode from within, first the revolt from the Maosts and now from th Sikh community separation attempts from India. Indian air force simply wanted to warn theNew Pakistan leadership to stay away from the border. PAF could likewise send their jets for two minutes to entry the Indian air space along the Kashmir border or Punjab border or even Rajisthan border and es the response?
This is not to ignore that India is nuclear armed and two minutes are just about enough to clean up the Punjab area occupied by sikhs and muslim Punjabis!!
Rex Minor
@Adnan: JF17s are like Suzuki Mehran infront of SU30.
The speed of SU27 is 2400 km /H 2 Min = 80 KM Distance covered by the plane, must be Lahore atc had picked the signal which has range of max 20 kms .. Something is seriously misssing in news report.
If this mistake by Indian fighters was done into Chinese territory, they would have banged India.
Such bluster from armchair warriors. Those consoles are going to get a good pounding when the air combat video games are played tonight.
India never has and never will attack Pakistan, I am sure there is some simple explanation for this incident, it is not as if they did anything once they were inside Pakistani airspace. All Indian political parties and the people want peace with Pakistan and for your country to prosper be strong and take your rightful place in the world order.Take a chill pill, chillax. Don't start reading too much in to these things.
@naeem khan Manhattan,Ks:
Testing of borders defence are the right words! Pakistan military has failed an failed miserably, not by automatic firing of the missile but atleast the acknowledgemnt that Pakistan air spac has been entered. And how does one know this when it is being constantly voilated by 24 hours drone flights.
And please tell us if the military is now under the Defense Minister or directly under the President of the country? If the latter then bye bye Pakistan!
Rex Minor
@Asif Butt "They claim to be superior in defense technology and they cant even control their kites within limits." Well sorry to say but the beast like Su 30 MKI is so powerful that it sometimes becomes difficult for IAF to control especially when they wish or desires to have a tour of Pakistan
@ Polpot,
Try the water kit developed in Pakistan for dead battery related problems
to all the nerds talking about PAF response and its capabilities:
no airforce in the world can repsond to air violation lasting just 2 min until you are in a state of war and there are standing Combat Air Patrols along the border.
even if scramble orders were given it would take another 5 min to reach the place of violation.
no radar operator can forecast the intentions of a fighter pilots across the border who is flying 5nm from border. fighters normaly travel at 15km/min. if supersonic, you can well imagine the speed and reaction time. rest is your calculation.
PAF BVR capability with AMRAAM c is much better than IAF. AMRAAM is a war tested BVR. so PAF can respond better to IAF in such scenarios.
so the drawing/bed room commentators should do some research rather than talking rubbish.
And you claim you can shot down drones!!!
How beautiful the IAF SU 30's look, draped in the Indian flag. Perfect targets for Pakistani JF-17's!
@Ali H: Read the article: PAF SCRAMBLED 2 fighters and the Indian planes 'exited' Pakistani airspace- for exited read 'fled'. Where is the inaction from the PAF?
PAF missiles only target Pashtuns in FATA and Baloch in Balochistan.
@Polpot: India sent their 'high-speed' planes so that they could run faster from PAF F-16s!
@A J Khan: Why not buy peace with India and prosper ? Does Nepal or Bangladesh or Burma throw tantrums about India as we do ? How much do they spend on arms ? How many invasions did India launch against them ? Isn't this hatred sowed in 1947 consuming the nation ? Why should we not get rid of this hate-superiority-inferiority complex and live as equal to India ? If enemy uses our own prejudices to destroy us - blame the stars !
Why all the fuss? Indian jets entered Pakistani airspace, PAF scrambled 2 fighter jets and the Indians RAN. Whats new?
i would be very surprised if this report was 100% accurate.
From west border Drones and from East border indian Jets:We are just a joke!!!
It was the Civil ATC who informed PAF? What happened to PAF's/Army's ground radars which are supposed to be stationed near our Borders. Also, there are no SAM batteries? Indian are so copy cats, they steal our songs, and, now they copied color scheme/design on there SU-30's from our JF-17's, here they goofed. Instead of orange they painted RED.
Dear Sir, We donot know why it happened.But Indian forces have to remind the GHQ that upping the ante is a legtimate response which we are going to use from here onwards .
pls refer other sources also, our planes were alredy in air to teach them u just cant attack any plane there r some rules...pls dnt react like jahils..
why my comment are blocking!!! thanks tribune
umm we have load shedding for electricity and gas, may be we are also doing some load shedding on active duty time or
may be the PAF is still busy celebrating the smooth transition of democracy to democracy as a result of the most rigged elections :)
@Cobrajock: Now shut it....We will fly tomorrow @ same time... ;-)
@Ankit Grover: our force voilated and killed what your forces are doing slpeeing or having fun they also violated and killed our men,so think before talk
Power is dangerous! Sadly nowadays power is basically a nuclear arsenal and all countries with these weapons are in one way or another causing mischief. Look at Russia on Serbia, Israel on Palestine, China on Tibet, Japan on China, the US on pretty much 60-85% of the world, etc. So, what's gonna happen with India and Pakistan since they both keep stocks of the deadly formula? I think it is all power play...coupled with a 'litmus test' on the adversary
i would be happy to hear that '' Pak shot down indian air planes after violation of border''
@Usman: what is the relation bw budget and national secuirty, doesnt make any sense!!!
If they really stayed inside Pakistan for TWO minutes, it says a lot about Pakistani Air Force's preparedness. Under the rules both the airforces are supposed to maintain a 25 mile no fly zone from the international border. The Pakistani ATC would have started tracking them well within the Indian air space would have alerted the PAF once the Indian Aircraft are past the 25 mile zone. Inspite of this if the PAF could not scramble their fighters (let alone intercept) it shows the PAF was sleeping. May be the Saudis are not supplying fuel as PAF is behind payments?
YOU ROCKS PAF!!! why our forces are the thing is where is our defence minister comment on this issue??? Guys need to be clam down it was 2min, american came in for 45mint and military area was about 5min drive they did nothing that this is 2min..proud of you
It is called testing the border defenses, instead of PAF getting ready to response, they should have fired missiles at them, hope Pakistan has deployed missile defense systems on their international borders, right? It seems defense of Pakistani borders is on the back burner for a long time while the defense forces are busy building housing projects and acquiring housing plots in posh areas of all cities. Forget about the minute intrusion in our space because Pakistanis could do the same to India any time but most shameful and incompetent reaction was witnessed when SALALA check post of Pakistan on Afghan border was attacked for more than 2 hours and no body reacted to that attack.Pakistanis should have fired the head of Army, air force and the prime minister, they were negligent in their jobs which almost borders on criminality. It would have not happened in any other country with nuclear weapons, lots of heads could have rolled but alas it is Pakistan where any thing and everything goes for a buck. It is not the common people but the ruling class has failed the country time after time. Wake up from this long slumber.
Looks like India is probing Pakistan Air Defense to check whether Eastern border is as open as western one.
When you have Gen Musharraf behind bar and army is doing nothing, what else can we really expect from Air Force.
By the way, those planes in the pic do look Indian.
PAF should send two planes to India for two minutes and see what the indian airforce comes up with. PAF might wake up after that !!!
@Gp65: Pakistani brethren, why so much war paranoia? It is very likely that it was a mistake.
@Omar Farooq:
Your perimeter for a perceived single our multiple fighter jets should be inside Indian Airspace to initiate a scramble. This is standard procedure. You just don't let fighter jets come in enjoy a view of the countryside and show themselves out.
We Need Metro Bus System Near Sulemanki Border.
Please give some credit to the Indians. They are not stupid to 'fly in ' unannounced and uninvited. there seems to be some misunderstanding.
Pakistanis do not need to worry, the only thing Indians are capable of is gang raping their own women or western tourists.
india has been asked to give minimum 24 Hours notice of any Airspace Violations +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Good manners of utmost importance.
Its not that a big of a deal and as many of you are saying if Pakistan even shot those bird from behind they would have fallen in india not in pakistan so Pakistan would have been the bad boy in international media
@ ALL PAKISTANIS and @ALL INDIANS
If this was a mistake by the fighters , then MOST WELCOME.
Because if we are to be at true peace with each other then there no difference left.
If not then it reflects the surprisingly lame Indian air force monitoring and command and control.
They claim to be superior in defense technology and they cant even control their kites within limits.
This could have been a mistake on the part of IAF.. But anyways.. what were the PAF doing?? Wake up guys....
Our Army has pardoned India just like during 1948, 1965, 1971 and 1998.
Keep it up, what will zardari say now......Hope every one remember when zardari became president same incident took place (or given salami to Zardari) now salami for Nawaz Shareef.
Thanks for blocking my comments. However it just a known fact that whenever a civil government in Pakistan expresses its desire to improve relations with India the same story of escalation of tension is repeated. And it succeeds, look at the emotional out bursts on this board.
The question that needs to be asked is how come an alleged incursion of two minutes was detected and PAF jets scrambled when not a single one of 340 American drone incursions over a 10 year period seems to have been detected and PAF Jets scrambled?
@Water Bottle: "That’s the last thing Indian government or Indian citizens want." One never knows!
Dear Indian Fighter / Bombers you are free to violate our borders/airspace when ever you feel like it, as we have allowed drones to kill our own people for so long, our media is debating what would happen if we shoot it down, would we we live without US AID?, well all these self-righteous and enlightened people dont know that the common man is not making ends meet with the AID money, only the corrupt are afraid to lose the money being sent from there benefactors.
you know what PAF is good at ? Killing their own ppl ... .....if you are expecting them to challenge IAF... its too much to ask for
@MAK: PAK's reply is even more funny. -High speed aircraft entered Pakistan 3Km and left in 2 mins. -PAK scrambled the two fighter aircraft to challenge them upon they left. Unrealistic and pathetic response.
What type of Aircraft were they? Sukhoi MKI?
It features state of the art avionics developed by Russia, India and Israel which includes display, navigation, targeting and electronic warfare systems.
The Sukhoi Su-30MKI is the most potent fighter jet in service with the Indian Air Force in the late 2000s. The MKIs are often fielded by the IAF in bilateral and multilateral air exercises. India exercised its Su-30MKIs against the Royal Air Force's Tornado ADVs in October 2006. This was the first large-scale bilateral aerial exercise with any foreign air force during which the IAF used its Su-30MKIs extensively. This exercise was also the first in 43 years with the RAF. During the exercise, the RAF Air Chief Marshal Glenn Torpy was given permission by the IAF to fly the MKI. The RAF's Air Vice Marshal Christopher Harper praised the MKI's dogfight ability, calling it "absolutely masterful and unbeatable"
May the Indians are testing the MKIs for an all out Air Assualt!
PAF should be renamed Sleeping Air Force. These guys always get caught sleeping.
@GP65 even though you are not Pakistani but you always have good perspective on Pakistan happenings...I second your thoughts on PAF. We love our air force but it is nothing new now....it appears now PAF is learning a thing or two from the Army...Always have grand plans but never accomplish much.... Your forgot to mention Abottabad raid that lasted hours and I was awake and I had read an item on this same webpage by midnight that a helicopter had crashed in the vicinity of the Wah cant. I think NS should appoint you as his advisor. I know he loves his native land too much....Jati Umra.
We should not have recognised Pakistan as an independent country! Henry Kissinger the maestro of the American foreign policy.
We can not alter our borders but make them meaningless! Dr Manmohan Singh, the incumbent Indian Prime Minister.
Why blame the USA or India now what Musharaf has given away.
Kyani must leave and the automatic robotic response system be switched on, requiring nil initiative from the military chief..
Rex Minor
"They should have been shot down. The indians shot down an unarmed pakistan navy plane in 1999. Refer to atlantique incident."
Husband of one of my senior at NED(Civil) died in that helicopter.
I don't think this story is accurate. Check Dawn.com
@John the Baptise and Pakistani: OK we will forget about Salala, Mehran airbae attack, May 2nd 2011 Abbottabad attack, 1948, 1965, 1971, Kargil attack, 26/11 Mumbai attack. Is it selective amnesia or inconvenient truth? PAF was too busy dealing in real estate plots in defense colony. Three km accuracy of GPS for a Supersonic jets suppose to prevent incursions?
why everyone getting soo serious, just human error, once 2-3 PAF aircraft tried to land on srinager airport, at the very last moment they realized their mistake and comeback in single piece. though afterwards they were court martial-ed.
Such violations occur frequently from the US in North Western Pakistan but I don't see that many comments against them. Why worrying over Indian entry into Pakistani side? People should thank God that they returned without inflicting any damage.
It's surprising I don't see any Pakistani talk about the ceasefire violations Pak troops commit along the Line of Control. Five times in the last three weeks. 1 killed, 4 injured!
Stop blaming the PAF. Their entire budget was gulped by just one of the previous two PMs. They're doing the best they can while the saviours of democracy are building their empires overseas. Did it pain you so much to vote for a non corrupt govt.? Now reap the benefits.
Judging by the comments - Common sense is in short supply in Pakistan. LOL.
@Busted!: Indian media also claiming that the Indian jets flew into Pakistan as they feared someone was following them and they might get 'violated'.
It was more likely a move by IAF to check readiness of Pakistani defence and PAF. Air-crafts possess GPS, so it can't be accidental these days. Surveillance systems can check the speed and direction of the enemy planes before they cross the border. So they can take necessary action in least possible time.
Indian media claiming that the Indian jets flew into Pakistan as they feared someone was following them and they might get 'violated'.
Wow. The PAF needs to be better than that.
Relax guys, its not uncommon for fighter aircrafts. Probably a genuine mistake from our across the border buddies.
BUT people saying that it takes time for PAF to get ready and 2 minutes are not enough. Sorry doesn't work like this. All airforces maintain operational readiness all the times. And some aircraft are almost always in the air over sensitive areas. 2 minutes are way too much.
According to a PAF Spokesperson: PAF DID scramble its alert jets, which is why they left.
Where was the Air force and army when US planes entered deep into our territory and carried out a two hour operation in Abottabad.
Where was our so called Saab2000 and Air Defence Alert Pilot
My understanding is that these minor infringements do happen on both sides...........and like this one, are handled with maturity.
I doubt if the British Royal Airforce would respond in less than two minutes. Stop expecting things that are impossible.
They should have been downed.
ET please publish the news of border violations from Pakistani side as well.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Pakistan-again-violates-ceasefire-along-LoC/articleshow/20535543.cms
I almost never comment on any article owing to the millions of trolls, BUT seriously everyone needs to relax! First of all it was most likely an accidental violation, if not it might just have been a move to see our readiness. Secondly they were there for 2 minutes! It probably takes over 2 minutes to climb into a plane! and you expect them to be in the air "circling" Indian jets in that time. Common sense is dead!
Has Mr. Nawaz Sharif signed any agreement with the Indian government to violate our airspace (Just like US) ?
India knows that Pakistan will not respond.
To be fair. Two minutes is not long enough for the PAF to respond. In order to challenge momentary intrusions PAF will have to maintain a CAP in the air all the time, as was the case when the Indians had threatened surgical strikes.
@Gp65: Why is it that these 'mistakes' only happen from the Indian airforce??! We know that your pilots are incompetent but this is getting too much. Why dont you Indians stop your government from wasting billions of dollars on these sophisticated aircrafts which are too much to handle by your pilots. Pathetic. Also, Salala incident has nothing to do with you Indians so stop poking your nose in other countries affairs.
@Gp65:
You argument is so pathetic--you expect anyone to believe that they came in by mistake? I have a GPS system on my phone that is accurate to within 3 meters. What do you think they have on indian planes? An ordinance map from the Victorian age?
the indian fighters are Su-27's capable of firing BVM missiles to two targets 90km away. Pakistani fighters have capability to fire 20km away on single target. Latest JF thunder have ability of BVM in future. So the response would end in disaster only.
Extreme Negligence of Pakistan Air Force
Our heavy mandate PM wished to invite Indian PM in his oath taking ceremoney but they have sent their fighter planes.
PAF as per their tradition failed to respond. In 1997 Indian MIGs-29R enterted pakistani territory from Sulemanki and successfully made exit from muzaffarabad. Pakistani Air Defence kept calculating what to do. This speaks the operational preparedness of PAF. They need to improve.
Indian planes must have taken pictures of any possible sensitive installation in the area from air.
Comeon guys, give it a rest, what are you expecting to happen within 2 minutes? getting jets in the air takes time. Pilots have to get to their planes, start it up, routine checks and then take off, reach the place. you expect all of this to be done within 2 mins? Stop nonconstructive criticism!
They should have been shot down. The indians shot down an unarmed pakistan navy plane in 1999. Refer to atlantique incident.
It's actually BCCI sent these planes to make sure that you guys are awake before our cricket team will give you big defeat in coming game. Ha ha ha
Pakistan airforce was preparing to respond but were waiting for the permission from the americans.
"As soon as the violation occurred, the air traffic controller signaled the planes for a sign explaining the move" isn't that funny :). Might be they are here to buy some vegetables.
I was going to down both the Planes but... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ the battery of my JF17 made in Pakistan was dead.
these kind of violations are deliberate and are means of checking response times. Unfortunately, we failed the test.
only if it was any ghareeb Pakistani :-/
For God sake! They did't drop a Bomb! What if they had actually entered by mistake. They came, ATC sent a signal and they left. Why is everyone so angry, I dont understand!
I don't know which SOPs are being followed by the Surveillance People there, otherwise the speed & direction of the planes within their border can tell us in advance whether they will cross the border or not and there are sufficient time to counter/tackle them if they cross the border.
What was our airforce doing for 2 mins? This is ridiculous
It may have been a genuine mistake.
Or
It was a recce trip.
Nonetheless, I don't think India wants to start a conflict. That's the last thing Indian government or Indian citizens want.
Our security forces are miserable
Even US came in for more than 45 minutes - from the other side of Border - what have PAF Done
When Pakistan ex-army general could fly into India's territory on a helicopter and stay there over night then what is wrong if Indian plane flies into Pakistani territory.
Hope drones would be better .. next time send drones CC IAF ..
Don't be afraid of Indian planes like American Drones...It's most likely an "Stray" event by mistake. India don't have military drones as America nor the political will to take on Pakistan. Peace is all we want in Pakistan and trade for mutual benefit.
now please do not do a tit for tat by sending couple of our fighter jets to indian side............. if we can not help it, send some pigeons fitted with fancy gadgets that will be enough to send indians over board.....................;-)
Drones. IAF, Sarabjeet,so called Freedom Fighters, etc etc practically any one can walk, fly, in Pakistan without consent.
Pakistanis ! Stay awake , Pak Air force is sleeping.
Relax guys...they just came to say Hi to Nawaz Sharif from Manmohan
Nice looking Airplane.
As always keep sleeping and drinking from tax payer money. Been a servant to country n people act always like a landlord. Get rid of alchole n drugs from Pak Arm Forces.
It was in retaliation of cease-fire violation of last week which killed and Indian army jawan.
Can we wait at least before the official report comes out
2 mins? 120 sec? and air traffic was enjoying? what were PAF doing, having breakfast?
You are getting bent out of shape when a plane that mistakenly entered turned back within 2 minutes. On he other hand, the Salala check post for bombed for 2 hours without any response from your airforce. You never held your defense forces accountable then did you?
CAA which controls air traffic control over the country is no longer part of the defence ministry, reduced intercommunication and diverging end goals. Its the responsibility of the cabinet division now. They did it so should have prepared for these eventualities.
While PAF was preparing to respond, the Indian planes had left.
I dint expect this from PAF.
@Aschraful Makhlooq: Will all of you people relax? What do you think - that two planes came across the border to declare war on Pakistan?
What was our airforce doing? Sleeping? Five to seven miles inside for 2 minutes??? A lot can happen in that period.
Too slow to respond the PAF, should have acted in self defence and shot down the planes when the signal was not responded. Which would have been the standard procedure to do.
So after US drone its now India' turn.
Indian has started testing the nerves of new government. Economic stability is the last thing that India would see in Pakistan. I would not be surprised if 2007 Lawyers movement was funded by India,
where was our defence,they should be rounded by our planes..how can they enter our territory
Come one give them a break. Have you guys made proper U-turns available for the pilots to take a turn back? Ask any pilot on the roads of Pakistan. Its unimaginable.
Firstly boarder feud and now this violation. Indians don't want peace process to proceed smoothly.....Aman ka tamasha.
that explains everything. They are always just preparing or sleeping....
I guess our pilots were busy playing Texas Hold Em Poker while the Air Chief was busy in approving a new housing project!
Shame
They stayed for two minutes and had left safely ??? Wake up PAF !!!