It was a good performance and assuaged the sentiments of those, such as the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party and sections of the strategic community, with the ‘no-nonsense’ approach of the army chief. It also gave television channels several sound bites to chew with the military overtones disguising the fact that the general was in line with the political decision to de-escalate tensions along the LoC. General Singh spoke a military language promising swift retribution as and when required. The rhetoric was impressive, but the points that he made need to be noted without the bombast. Without saying all of the following directly, he was clear that one, the ceasefire will hold unless there is fresh provocation; two, the retaliation, if any, will be at the level of the corps commander operating in the area, as part of a ‘tactical’ response to a ‘tactical’ provocation; three, LoC skirmishes will be dealt with at the military level without necessarily involving larger decisions by the political top brass; four, there was concern about the training and response of the Indian patrol unit that had been attacked and action would be taken after the ‘fire fighting’ was over, along with “corrective measures”.
The press conference was held even as the flag meeting of brigadiers of both India and Pakistan was being held to talk tough, but presumably to also take measures to diffuse the tension and restore calm along the LoC. The Indian government has, through it all, exercised considerable restraint despite the pressure, refusing to be nudged into postures that would call off the ceasefire that has largely held along the LoC since 2003 or stop the talks between the two countries. There has been recognition of the fact that loud talk by the political leadership can sour relations at a time when both India and Pakistan need to be in touch on Afghanistan and that it was thus best to leave it to the army to deal with the issue at its level. General Singh has done the needful even as measures are being undertaken to stop the ceasefire violations and ensure that peace holds.
There has, thus, been a visible maturing of India-Pakistan relations after long and torturous decades. Both are dealing with the sensitivities on their respective sides, even as they move to patch up the torn ceasefire and use the military communication lines to ensure that such grievous violations do not occur again for either side.
The dialogue table is, perhaps, the most potent weapon between nations and, particularly, hostile nations like India and Pakistan. It can replace the might of the artillery if used with purpose and strategic planning, enabling governments to achieve their ends without destroying countries and peoples. It is unfortunate that both India and Pakistan have large constituencies that insist on war each and every time the opportunity offers itself, but when asked what military action will achieve, the warmongers fall silent. They have no answer beyond ‘they must be taught a lesson’.
Both countries need to put away the hatchet of sentiment as this has become a burden over the years. The governments must rise above public pressures, recognise each other as sovereign states, and appreciate the need to do business with each other for their own selfish interests and put together and respect the existing, as well as new, mechanisms to build bridges and ensure peace.
Published in The Express Tribune, January 16th, 2013.
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@gp65 .
What evidence do you have of that?
One can go on with pettifogging, of course. Evidence? That is the evidence. Of results of policy. That the families are being rehabilitated, evidence that it is.. Now work out whether it is fallacy of argumentum ad ignorantiam or Ignoratio elenchi or Petitio principii or post hoc ergo propter hoc :)You may say anything as you please & give credit to Musharraf for stopping infiltration. I have no quarrel with that. I am sure you have all hard evidences for all surmises you have made You want to deny MMS & give credit to a Fence? (Reminds me of a Robert Frost poem "The Mending Wall"") Or, to Pakistanis? Great, Super. I am with you. MMS is a gone case anyway & I support neither Congress nor BJP. Thanks!:
"ABV was the pioneer of good neighbourliness. Only statesmen like him & MMS understand what long term interests of India are involved in the region"
I agree ABV was a statesman. He went to Lahore and was rewarded with Kargill. HE tried againin Agra July 2001 and was rewarded with PArliament attack in DEc 2001. Then he tried a different tack. He brought the army to the border for 8 months. A suitably chastened Musharraf signed a ceasefire agreement in early 2003. ALso realized KArgil could not be snatched and using non-state actors too had consequences. He then started with his out of box ideas. If you try something and it does not work, it is time to try something else.
You give credit for the 20,000 resttled families to MMS' policy. What evidence do you have of that? I would say this happened because post ceasefire, India had a chance to build a fence onLOC and Pakistan also stopped facilitating infiltration until Musharraf was around. The reduced violence from those policies rather than MMS' silence in face of provocation could also be the reason for the resttlemet. Have you considered that possibility?
@gp65 .:
. I admit I seldom answer specifics. I am not much concerned with promises made by Pak & Ind & "sold" to respective masses. Pak did not keep word & somebody will say Ind did not keep faith & I frankly don't care since I don't believe..I provided a link to what I do believe to be worthy achievement. 20000 Kashmiri villagers on way to rehabilitation in their own villages. May be more on other side. I am happy with that achievement of MMS & team & Pak Leaders. One day Pandits too will be back. I see this doesn't match your requirements. Others are taking that failure up with GoI & MMS will be pilloried. Why should we regurgitate those standard accusations-responses? Pak participants too appear disinterested, they have enough of domestic concerns... Meanwhile men of action are better than any words. For e.g. Macho man Narendra Modi the Guj cricket admin has already jumped in by chivalrously chasing away Pak cricketing women from Ahmedabad as revenge. SS was busy on Pak hockey players similarly. Congress will jump on the bandwagon for Pak-bashing somewhere lest BJP steal the thunder..(b) ABV was the pioneer of good neighbourliness. Only statesmen like him & MMS understand what long term interests of India are involved in the region & why even gremlins & gnomes need to be humoured, even if they misbehave, out of self interest. ABV was stabbed in the back by the very same man who he later invited to Agra. He was no body's fool but he put India ahead of his ego & hope ahead of despondency. Kargil did not shake him & now silly Sushma goes in to hysterics for one beheading to demand 10 as revenge!(c) The sympathy that India got for death of civilians of Mumbai is just not there for the death of a soldier. In a world in the midst of terrorist attacks that kill hundreds daily, deaths by droves thru drones & bomb blasts that rattle even the dead, who in world has tears left & who cares for yet another casualty. What should India do now? Twiddle thumbs for a change,.May be close down talks till next election in both countries. Nothing ventured, nothing questioned. Things will not improve in near future.
@Rakib: Yes resolving KAshmir is complex and I know that. I do not think that after having promised India that no terrorism shall occur from its soil it is so complex to shut down terror camps that are openly operating or to stop LeT and JeM from openly collecting funds though they are banned organization. Pakistan is acting in bad faith and while that does not call fr a war, it does call for a reassessment of the relationship based on action instead of acting as though their words and actions are the same thing.
You suggested that if MMS had stuck to the high road, he could have secured some short term benefits for India. I pointed out that this is not so hypthetical. He has acted exactly as you suggested and things got worse from India's perspective, so it is time to try a different approach.
Instead of responding to my specific rebuttal to your specific suggestion, you go off on a tangent about the people of Kashmir. You said this could have been a Salman Khurshid moment and being swayed by Sushma Swraj was sily. Please tell me what was achieved in previous such Salman Khurshid moments factually, so that it can justify your assessment of Sushma Swaraj.
@Alex:
India to Pakistan (not a sermon and not an advise either) has been…we need to know if your army is in your control. Pakistan society needs to understand that democracy means army listens to Pak. Govt.... Until this core issue is resolved, any peace will backfire.
You are not sermonising but that's how you may be viewed by Pakistanis if you are an Indian! You will appreciate that Pak Constitution & current governing system are designed for her people, not for others' convenience. And if Pakistanis are unhappy with it, as they may well be, they may alter it someday. A few exceptions apart, successive Pak governments have honoured international treaties entered in to by preceding govts & that matters. Foreign policy is an important part but only a part of a government's activity. Local issues take precedence. The first function of any Govt is law & order at home. Then, food on table. And so on. How far which country has been successful in that endeavour is for its citizens to determine. But, from what I can make out, the situation with militants/terrorists within home itself is grim. Armed forces are involved in dealing with that most important existentialist threat. Relationship with neighbours bordering to east & west & Nato are relevant to that. Therefore,army will remain a very important part of governance in Pakistan. Just as other nations are already doing, India too is dealing with situation as it is. Nothing is ever ideal in the world.
@gp65.:
You know it well that it would be simplistic to think there can be simple solutions, & quick ones, to issues. Progress will be painfully slow. If anybody on both sides spares even a thought to people of Kashmir instead of only its land then the link at end of this post is worth reading to find out "What was achieved?" in Kirini, a village on the LoC in Poonch. Insignificant for large countries but it is gift of life for poor villagers. And negotiating table brought about many such stories. That's what the much maligned MM Singh's high mindedness achieved. Alas, the excessively harangued man has now lost it. The "high minded" approach should not be, is not, out of any sense of altruism. No Govt in the world carries on a sustained dialogue process ( & it is a process) if it is not aimed at being beneficial to itself, first & foremost. Let not some fellows on TV or some cricket-pitch-digging lout dictate foreign policy. Let there be clarity on this: it is in India's interests to carry on with it. There has to one decision taken by Cabinet & Parliament and that is talk to the neighbour under all circumstances, even under provocation..(b) Instead of hoping PA will change, it is IA that needs to learn how to cope. Is IA so naive that it knows not the nature of the beast? Gruesome deaths will occur regardless of talks. Soldiers that can not defend themselves against beheading in hand to hand combat should get some training instead of getting obsessed with date of birth. Now IA is showing off the mines planted by PA on Indian side of LoC. Does IA allow Pak soldiers to simply amble across routinely?
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/beware-the-dogs-of-war/article4313464.ece?homepage=true
@Naeem Siddiqui: it does not matter whether she is an Indian or Pakistani. Do you mean we consider Pakistanis bad by their name or nationality? The main issue is again what you seem to perceive...few bad people have successfully achieved the objective by destroying the peace and Pakistan does not seem to have control on those few bad in its society internally or externally!! It is not a problem for India if they destroy the society internally but they also seem to act externally by their own. Why is it so hard to know that when they can kill hazaras by dozens in your country at will, that they can DO the same outside its borders. Army has let them (passively in the least) do it both times... because we know that your army can control them if it wishes to. @Rakib: Well said and many of your points are valid! The crux of the issue since 1947....India to Pakistan (not a sermon and not an advise either) has been...we need to know if your army is in your control. Pakistan society needs to understand that democracy means army listens to Pak. Govt. the supreme power that represents its people. No matter what you say and ask Manmohan to do (as he has done already)...you are not getting the point that army and society must lay their trust on Pak. Govt. no matter how corrupt it is or not functioning!!!! Until this core issue is resolved, any peace will backfire. Had Indian and Pakistanis otherwise had issues in civilian matters? No. Pakistan citizens in their anger shoot themselves by destabilising the govt. and supporting the army in the anger that govt. did not perform. How can you blame Zardari when these issues were on for decades? This cycle of removing govt and asking for military rule because of frustration represents lack of Patience and mockery of the nations ideals. Why blame others when you have such kind of unstable population??
@Rakib: Well said and many of your points are valid! The crux of the issue since 1947....India to Pakistan (not a sermon and not an advise either) has been...we need to know if your army is in your control. Pakistan society needs to understand that democracy means army listens to Pak. Govt. the supreme power that represents its people. No matter what you say and ask Manmohan to do (as he has done already)...you are not getting the point that army and society must lay their trust on Pak. Govt. no matter how corrupt it is or not functioning!!!! Until this core issue is resolved, any peace will backfire. Had Indian and Pakistanis otherwise had issues in civilian matters? No. Pakistan citizens in their anger shoot themselves by destabilising the govt. and supporting the army in the anger that govt. did not perform. How can you blame Zardari when these issues were on for decades? This cycle of removing govt and asking for military rule because of frustration represents lack of Patience and mockery of the nations ideals. Why blame others when you have such kind of unstable population??
@Rakib: India practiced the same high minded approach after 26/11. What was achievd? Were any terror camps disbanded? Were perpetrators brought to justice (even a sincere attempt made to do so)? Was the ability to raise funds by the supposedly banned outfits reduced even a little bit? No, no and no. What it did allow is an increasin trend in ceasefire vilations (58, 60, 112 in 2010, 2011 and 2012 respectively). What it also did resulted in was a beheading in 20111. MMS once again took the high minded approach and what happened? One more beheading. Do you see a pattern?
Pakistan civilians promise all maner of things that they have no capacity to deliver. The Pakistani army operating on the principle of faith, piety and jihaad considers Ikaffir India a fair target and has never taken any commitments by the civilians seriously. Where is India's peace dividend?
@gp65.:
(a) I see your point even as I differ. Pakistanis behead & Indian Naxals are no less.Cruelty is no body's property & military training of Indian Jawans too does not alter the fundamental goal of killing the enemy any which way.. My standpoint is to get a perspective on this. If Indians are so blameless on LoC the sight of machine gunned, mined, or blown up men in ambush with shoulder fired rockets is no way less gruesome & in such a case bodies of 70 plus soldiers too should have been unacceptable & talks & cricket should have been abandoned..Waiting for last straw is pointless knowing the predilections of Pak already. There are no rules in war (more so when it is not so declared) even in rarefied atmosphere of meeting rooms of Geneva, & these are excuses of losers..What is all this sissy talk on media of the nation in hysteria like this, & packing off innocent Pakistanis? Trust the Army to get even its own way & leave it at that but what I have seen is national masochism at its worst! (b) It is a pity that MM Singh caved in to a silly Opposition like SS & Sushma Swaraj. He should have stayed the course. It does not mean India should keep quiet. India could have taken a moral high ground quickly. Made use of the incident. World doesn't care any more about Kashmir either way & Pak has failed at one more attempt at internationalising the issue.. Breaking of talks now would show India as being low on EQ which practices ad hocism...This could have been Salman Khurshid moment to extract a concession in howsoever a small measure out of many areas that need no enumeration. The long term interests should not be lost sight of. To some barbarian at the fence a brave soldier lost his head; in a different way let not Singh lose his.
@Fateh Mohammed: "The very name Seema Mustafa is a red rag for certain commentators from India"
It is not Seema Mustafa's name but the content of her OpEd that people are disagreeing with. You will see such robust disagreement even on many of Aakar Patel's OpEds. It is your prism that is making you see a religious colour where there is none.
DO note that even when people were frustrated with Congress leadership's lackadaisical initial response, no-one singled out Salman Khurshid for his faith. It is the party and government that was bashed not the 3 leaders - Manmohan Singh, Salman Khurshid, AK Antony - none of whom are Hindu.
@Rakib: "So what has changed with this death except its manner? Answer should be obvious. Truth be told, it’s pride that is punctured & ego is hurt.. "
Sorry Rakib. Beg to differ. The manner is not a trivia. Nowhere else in the world do soldiers behead other soldiers.Just because beheading is a norm in Pakistan, it does not mean the rest of the world needs to accept it as such.
Even during Kargill, when Pakistan refused to take its dead soldiers back, India buried them with dignity.
"Dialogue, & not warmongering, suits Indian genius & Author recommends to capitalise on that."
Stating that we will respond if provoked is not war mongering. The key words are 'if provooked'. To know the difference between calm and resolute response and war mongering to check out the statements from Pakistani armed forces leadership in the wake of Abbotabad. There were implied threats of using nuclear option if the issue recurred. No one in India has said any such thing.
Pakistani civilian government maybe sincere about pursuing peace but its army is clearly not on board. There have been many markers about that even prior to this provocation that broke the camel's back. War is not option but quietly getting bullied as Pakistan does one provocation after another is not an option either. There is a wide range of policy options in between and it is among those that the Indian government must choose its options.
Pakistan had asked the UNSC monitors to review the situation, while India rejected these which would have given us an unbiased perspective they keep taunting pakistan. When will these crazies realize that war will result in complete destruction of both nations.
Looking at the history of events it was Indian soldiers that first killed 2 pakistani troops on Jan 6th that triggered all these events. Pakistan has their weapons to prove it. Blame is not a one way street where you Indians can constantly blame Pakistan for every ill, without ever criticizing your own security safeguards. Trust me we do that to our own army on a daily basis. When was the last time the head of RAW was brought in front of congress and asked about his failings. You are just like us Indians corrupt, scheming, and evil whether you want to believe it or not. The perception of a shining India is made only in the press ground reality is what they will never see.
The very name Seema Mustafa is a red rag for certain commentators from India , let them stoke the small skirmish into something big and all will suffer the consequences . First they ( Indians ) should tone down the rhetoric and let the commanders talk and see what comes of it and strident Indian media prove their maturity the maturity Of Ms Seema Mustafa . I hope the commanders of the two sides are more rational than Mr Bikram Singh ( general ) .
@ATULSRIVASTAVA: these are collateral damages...but obviously we have been duped to do so by the hawks.large section of palm society wants good relations with us but we are shooing it away through making escape goats of players and artists.
Normalization of relations with a country that speaks in multiple voices is foolish. Let there be no attempt, yes, even an attempt to do that for quite some time. Let the relationship be as cold as it was between the then USSR and USA and it will be better for India.
@numbersnumbers: Your idea may be right~~~after all , since the daze of ZIA ul-haq the Pakistn army has been Islamised ( as opposed to the liberal recruits before ZIA's time)
@Chimgaadarr: it could be unemployed Indians or large section of reckless pakistanis who do not care about Pakistan but worry about religion. Eitherway it is all about perception. Indians are pretty sure of their perceptions.
@Indian:
While it is not at all surprising to read such a distorted perception by a Pakistani author.................including most of Indian Muslims who are decent people"
Dialogue, & not warmongering, suits Indian genius & Author recommends to capitalise on that. She is not a Pakistani. She is an Indian Muslim, tends to be a left-of-centre, non- Congressi secular of impeccable credentials & a protege of VP Singh..Does that make her one of the "decent people" in your ludicrously patronising view? I wonder whether the shock have been less if the soldier was only riddled with bullets instead of also beheaded. More than 70 such soldiers on Indian side alone have been killed in firing on LoC in last few months; Pak side is separate. And yet it was business as usual, wasn't it. So what has changed with this death except its manner? Answer should be obvious. Truth be told, it's pride that is punctured & ego is hurt.. Only the soft in head plead for sweet behaviour even from cold steel of a bayonet It is not the death of a soldier that nobody has really cared about in the history of India that bothers, it is hurt amour-propre that is excruciatingly painful. Indian intelligence & security was found sleeping in 1962, at Kargil, at Mumbai & now at LoC. Those whose intelligence/security doctrine is dependent on sense of kindness of the inimical forces are bound to suffer.
The writer does not have sense of comparison - if she had any, she could have compared the recent events and the media statements carefully before generalizing it like "It is unfortunate that both India & Pakistan have large constituencies that insist on war at every opportunity."
@Seema Mustafa
Being an Indian Muslim you are required to bash and Hate Pakistan more then an average Indian Hindu!! :)
See the result, I already have noticed lots of Indian commentators considering you as a Pakistani :)
This article is an Indian perspective for the Pakistanis which is very well written and analysed. However, it is up to Pakistan to stop further provocations which is a big ask as the Western world even failed to convince this country to abandon its decades old policy which has proved to be self-destructive and brought the country on the brink. However, let us hope that wisdom would finally dawn upon the military one day and it will unwind and eliminate its terror machinery for the sake of its own country if not for its neighbours.
@Chimgaadarr: "Silly comments by good for nothing, unemployed Indians with a lot of time to spare sitting around and wasting time on the net … These guys have been badly let down by the fake Shining India …." You missed it!!! Its well educated and well paid professionals who are doing some voluntary service (by sparing some of their precious time) for building awareness among fellow Pakistanis on other perspectives and paradigms on issues which matters.........Its important to remove ignorance from that part of world (important because the price of ignorance in that part of world is paid also by Indians for e.g. by victims of terrorism in cities like Mumbai, Pune and Delhi).
Like everybody else, most of whom are writing nonsense, I have absolutely no idea what the truth is, so I cannot make an intelligent comment upon the low functioning children who pretend to run Pakistan/India, or for that matter the US/NATO countries.
The timing of border skirmishes are dubious at best. Whenever there is a chance of friendship and close relationship between the two countries a new Kargil or Ajmal Kasab is used to destroy all the good will. One only wishes that Pakistanis could see India with their own eyes to know the difference between the two countries. One a democracy and secular from day one and the other a military colony from the same day! The army wants to raise walls not make bridges.
The best way out is ... do what Pakistan is doing ... Keep talking and keep killing under the name of non state actors ... India should also do the same .. Keep talking to Pakistan and keep killing the Pakistani soldiers at will ... Must keep supporting the people in Pakistan who want freedom from Pakistan, same as what Pakistan is doing in Kashmir ... Give them Moral and Political support.
"......... large constituencies that insist on war each and every time the opportunity offers itself, but when asked what military action will achieve, the warmongers fall silent ........ "
In the real world outside the one the writer has created for herself, " warmongers" like myself look for an Indian response that will remind the perpetrators that they will not be free from punishment. I choose the words "perpetrators" deliberately, since Pakistan quite evidently is a nation only in name and has dissolved into several centers of power. Not all these centers behave within the confines of modern civilization, and the rest are strangers to integrity. So a broad brush is required ranging from minimizing state-to-state relations to escalating military actions till the message is absorbed.
With each step of Pakistan's degeneration it becomes clear that nothing is to be gained from any relationship with it till the trend reverses itself - of which I, personally, have no hope. It is the business of the Indian Govt to minimize the collateral damage to their own country till Pakistan completes its self-destruction and reverts to a more rudimentary political structure more suited to its capabilities.
Is that " .silent.." enough for the writer? If she still cannot hear or comprehend, I'll try again!
While it is not at all surprising to read such a distorted perception by a Pakistani author whose ingrained prejudices, probably, cloud an objective understanding of the facts, the author fails (deliberately?) to highlight the fact that it is not just a small minority that is vocalizing the utterly shocking and barbaric beheading of a soldier, but an entire nation, including most of Indian Muslims who are decent people. Such a sadistic and pervert act violates all the canons of good behaviour that is incumbent upon a professionally-run army which is not the case with the Pakistani defense forces that have more often than not violated the Geneva Convention on Prisoners of War. Beheading is the cruelest and the most uncivilized behaviour by perpetrators. Not only has it shocked the 1.2 billion Indians but the entire world which has extensively reported about that incident. In the USA, it stirs the ugly memories of the beheading of Wall Street Journalist reporter Daniel Pearl by Pakistani extremists as his shocked pregnant wife, anxiously waiting for his return, nearly went insane on hearing the news. The brutality of the act is indeed quite telling. Yes, certain political elements in India will, naturally, take advantage of the situation (just as Pakistani elements more often than not do too!) but there is a nationwide outrage in India over a beheading which adds to the long list of atrocities committed by Pakistani killers, supported by state and non-state actors. The recent incident is one of too many -- we have not forgotten and never shall - the Mumbai carnage, the attack on parliament, the preposterous behaviour of your minister (is he really a minister or a conman hired to be your nation's ministr?) Rehman Malik, who utters nonsensical remarks during his recent India visit, anti-Indian remarks by some of your cricketers (who are not welcomed here) and artists such as actors. Bikram Singh, the army chief, usually a quiet chap, must have been incensed, just as other responsible and restrained politicians were, that made him administer the warning to Pakistan which has been behaving irresponsible. India -- and the world -- is tired of the usual "denial and deception" reaction of Pakistan whenever any complaint is lodged with it by India. How do you expect progress to be made in this tricky situation? The most important -- and urgent -- task for the Pakistanis right now is to control the proliferation of terrorism and religious extremism, which will also bring the youth on the right path. Many young and impressionable people have been misled because they have been brainwashed in madrassahs -- such people can never average.
Silly comments by good for nothing, unemployed Indians with a lot of time to spare sitting around and wasting time on the net ... These guys have been badly let down by the fake Shining India ...
An excellent article by a sensible Indian ... a rare commodity ...
One has to remember that in Afghanistan the Taliban had members join the Afghan Army to be sleeper agents until they were activated to kill US/NATO soldiers. I would wonder if various groups in Pakistan have not also had members join the Pakistani Army to again be sleeper agents, preferably stationed on the LoC, to be activated when relations between India and Pakistan were improving?
The steps taken by the Indian government is interalia to appease the sentiments of Indian people which include the opposition too, . PM's statement "no business as usual" with Pakistan signals a tough stand and suspension of visa agreement is first step. . Talks as well as the trade both will go in hibernation for some time. Army in Pakistan despite all the criticism holds the portfolio of foreign policy and the civilian government which due to the burden of corruption and ill governance, is weak, meek and bent on its knees can not dare to confront with Army except try to expose army's misdeed to weaken their stand as to use the doctrine of necessity for a take over . Military too feels it better to keep some one on the pilot seat rather driving themselves.
@Mirza: "Like most democratic and civilized countries Indian generals only make statements when asked by their bosses. This is an example where the army serves not owns the country."
You are exactly right. This statement by our PM makes it clear that the General's statement was part of the overall communication strategy of Government of India. "It cannot be business as usual with Pakistan after the heinous act. Those who are responsible will have to be brought to book... I hope Pakistan realizes this. The government's point of view has been communicated in detail by the defence minister (A K Antony), foreign minister (Salman Khurshid) and the Army chief (General Bikram Singh)," said the PM, talking to reporters at the Army Day reception.
@C. Nandkishore: "BJP is yet to learn the difference between a local skirmish, a battle and a war."
Well here you go. Salman Khurshid and Manmohan Singh have also given a message that after this incident it cannot be BAU with Pakistan.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/01/15/india-pm-pakistan-clash-idINDEE90E08C20130115
This is a local provocation. This time both the governments talked with maturity. Even the opposition Nawaz Shareif talked peace. BJP is yet to learn the difference between a local skirmish, a battle and a war.
@Alex: She is Indian. Writes for the Statesman.
India does not have a sizeable constituency for war unlike war. Indians are proud that India has never started a war. However there are a range of options between turning a blind eye to one provocation after another and going to war.
Your analysis of the Indian COAS speech was exactly right that the ceasefire will prevail unless there is another provocation - which is the right thing. But at military level the Air Chief made it clear that the increasing trend in ceasefire violation was being monitored and other options would be explored to ensure compliance if existing mechanism ere not sufficient. The Indian government has also put on hold the visa liberalisation that was to go on steam today pending further review.
The message to Pakistan is clear : 1) India does not want war and will not start it 2) It is not BAU when our soldiers are beheaded. While the peace initiative is not called off, its pace and scope will be reviewed. 3) The Pakistani army has been put on notice that ceasefire violations have got the attention of the top armed force leadership in India and Pakistan should not presume that it has a free pass.
Who Represents Paklistan in matters relating to India ? 1. LeT 2. Hafeez Saeed 3. Army 4. State controlled non-state actors
Who ?
Like two child India and Pakistan start quarelling to utter shame of citizens of both countries.The crash commercial electronic media just look at next TRP and go overboard in jingoistic telecast. Always remember Patriotism is last refuse of scoundrels. India has more onerous responsibility to nurse Pakistan's nascent democracy.And BJP leaders have totally lost the plot.Ten head for one head! Sushma Swaraj needs her head examined.I have a feeling,probably there is nothing there.an empty head!
Like most democratic and civilized countries Indian generals only make statements when asked by their bosses. This is an example where the army serves not owns the country.
Madam, if you even know whether there is a system in place in your country..which means whole country standing by the word of Govt. of Pakistan. ONLY then you can say two countries. Here we are talking of a Govt. of India which took a word from Govt. of Pakistan which has NO say or control in its own territory. Thats why time and again, peace will be destroyed by those unruly elements in Pak army who act on their own without Govt. Orders. Yes we know this and not one of has ill will on Zardari or Ashraf who unfortunately have no control on their army or society. Whom should India talk to ? Instead of writing this, why waste on talking about countries..one of which has no control on its army???? Incidents happended after beheading of the soldier..there is no need for Indian army chief to keep quiet.
Nice sermon from the mount; except this sermon ignores the India parliament attack, Mumbai attack, infiltrated Mujahadeens, counterfeit currency racket via Nepal among others.
The LoC as it has become is PAK's making, and unless PAK makes serious step to reorganize what she wants, India should stand her grounds.
Neither PAK nor her jihadi friends are in a position to do anything more than provocative and irritating adventure across the LoC when they are bored and nor is India has appetites for full scale war with PAK over LoC. The India army stopped at the LoC by strategic design when they were in a position to run over Lahore.
The prodigal son will return and at that time India can host a feast. Until, then India should hold her grounds and let the Azad Kashmir wallow in envy over the J&K progress in India.
Who gets the short end of the stick?
Ms Mustafa: Why did you not question as to who ordered the beheading? Obviously, it was to provoke India. Is it not a coincidence that whenever relations between Pakistan and India improve, Pakistan provokes India. Remember Mumbai?
SEEMA MUSTAFA IS WRONG.MAMOHAN SINGH SAID " BUSINESS ( WITH PAK) WILL NOT BE AS USUAL". PAK HOKEY PLAYERS ARE HEADING BACK HOME.VISA ON ARRIVAL HAVE BEEN PUT ON HOLD.PM MET THE PRESIDENT TO UPDATE.NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR EXPLAINED DETAILS TO MAIN OPPOSITION LEADERS.SEEMA IS JUST TRYING TO PLAY IT DOWN. THIS ( BEHEADING ) HAS UPSET ALL EQUATION AND THE INDIAN MOOD IS THAT THIS TIME PAK WILL HAVE TO BOW DOWN ELSE IT WILL BE MADE SO.
A well balance and mature article withought provocations.Kudos.