Indian air chief threatens Pakistan over LoC unrest

Published: January 12, 2013
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An Indian Border Security Force (BSF) soldiers patrols along the border fence at an outpost along the India-Pakistan border in Suchit-Garh, 36 kms southwest of Jammu on January 11, 2013. PHOTO: REUTERS

An Indian Border Security Force (BSF) soldiers patrols along the border fence at an outpost along the India-Pakistan border in Suchit-Garh, 36 kms southwest of Jammu on January 11, 2013. PHOTO: REUTERS

ISLAMABAD: Threatening Pakistan over the LoC unrest, Indian Air Chief NAK Browne said India would consider “other options” if Pakistan continued to violate the ceasefire agreement, Express News reported on Saturday.

Pakistan, on the other hand, summoned the Indian ambassador on Friday to protest against “unacceptable and unprovoked” attacks by the Indian army that killed two Pakistani soldiers in five days in Kashmir.

On Tuesday, India said two of its soldiers were killed by Pakistani troops and that one of them was beheaded in the disputed Himalayan region, which is claimed in full by both India and Pakistan but ruled in part by each.

Both sides claim responding to firing and neither is willing to admit which side fired first.

The United States has urged the nuclear-armed rivals to cool tensions along the heavily militarised LoC.

Kashmir, a Muslim-majority territory, has been the cause of two of their three wars since independence from Britain in 1947.

(WITH ADDITIONAL INPUT FROM AFP)

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  • Raza Khan
    Jan 12, 2013 - 1:32PM

    Insanity at it’s peak! Both countries should resolve this issue amicably.

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  • Indian Wisdom
    Jan 12, 2013 - 1:39PM

    Indian Air Chief NAK Browne said India would consider “other options”

    Very timely warning, there was no option other than considering “other options”!!!!

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  • asim
    Jan 12, 2013 - 1:41PM

    Dear Indian chief,
    Pakistan can also consider “other options”, if you know what I mean :)

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  • Vikas
    Jan 12, 2013 - 1:43PM

    Good Job. Threaten then from Afgha borders also.

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  • Supersequel
    Jan 12, 2013 - 1:47PM

    Oh god! Post 26/11 India started the hysteria with their anthems and poems–lol– and then accused Pakistan of inciting it first. India, do you remember the outcome? No power supported your stance. USA and china told you to calm down, the Interpol cited lack of evidence, and even Putin said this too shall pass.

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  • nomi
    Jan 12, 2013 - 1:49PM

    Lol

    Does the Indian Air Chief think that Pakistan is Afghanistan or some little arab state?

    He is just appealing to domestic audience.

    Pakistan will relish the opportunity to pounce at India because this will relieve US pressure.

    The Indian Airforce chief should worry about the maoists as India has effectively lost many areas to them.

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  • Zzzz
    Jan 12, 2013 - 1:50PM

    @Indian Wisdom:
    Please do it, atleast we will be able to divert the pakistani taliban from attacking us to attacking you.

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  • Pak
    Jan 12, 2013 - 1:50PM

    @Indian Wisdom: come on guys. This time you will be seen nowhere.

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  • BlackJack
    Jan 12, 2013 - 1:51PM

    Makes sense. No one wants war or even escalation of hostilities, but the assumption by one side that the other will maintain its sang-froid regardless of provocation needs to be dispelled.

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  • ManofSteel!
    Jan 12, 2013 - 1:52PM

    if indian wants WAR, let give them one! Bring it on Chickens..

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  • Jat
    Jan 12, 2013 - 1:53PM

    It is time to give Sukhoi Su-30 MKIs a trial by fire.

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  • Behari Kebab
    Jan 12, 2013 - 1:56PM

    Every passing day makes it more clear that this is an Indian set up for attacking Pakistan. They killed a Pakistani soldier, and called it a ceasefire violation by Pakistan, after Pakistan’s retaliation they again killed a Pakistani soldier and again called it a violation by Pakistan. Now their air chief has jumped on the band wagon, so there is a obvious pattern here of provocation and deception to build a case for an Indian attack. Since this threat poses a clear and present danger to Pakistan, it is time for a pre-emptive strkie on India. Did the Indian air chief not think Pakistan has its “other opitions” too?

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  • Queen
    Jan 12, 2013 - 1:59PM

    This shows the true mindset of the Indian military establishment. It is elements like these that promote disharmony among people. Pakistan has called for UN investigation and instead of thinking about that option, this man is considering “other options”.

    If this is the case, then Pakistan too is not wearing bangles.

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  • mes
    Jan 12, 2013 - 2:00PM

    Kashmir, a Muslim-majority territory,
    (WITH ADDITIONAL INPUT FROM AFP)

    was the bold part the input you got from the AFP, or was this was from you side.

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  • Blithe
    Jan 12, 2013 - 2:05PM

    He’ll realize to his own folly.
    The people of Kashmir are yearning for freedom ,

    They just to push back the indian occupied

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  • ROHIT
    Jan 12, 2013 - 2:06PM

    Pakistan is fighting a war it cannot win . For starters they are outnumbered 2.5: 1 . India with its manpower pool and superior technology will always be ahead of Pakistan.It doesn’t make sense ( for India too, still it is better off than Pakistan ) to divert resources for war while its majority population reels under poverty and internal strife.Its better for both countries to concentrate on progress rather than war.

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  • saif
    Jan 12, 2013 - 2:09PM

    So what?? are you going to vanish 1.5 billion peopole of subcontinent?

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  • Khalid
    Jan 12, 2013 - 2:11PM

    @Raza Khan: This is cowardliness and shows the weakness of Pakistanis. On one hand such statements have gone totally unnoticed by we in Pakistan and on the other hand Indian civil society and military are threatening us.

    Instead of reacting and protecting the self esteem of our nation, you are trying to give them an advise, don’t you think that Indian are wise enough to understand the situation. You please don’t take the trouble of doing so.

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  • Xnain
    Jan 12, 2013 - 2:11PM

    @Indian Wisdom:
    Indians will always resort to use “other options” because they got yet another facepalm. I mean its funnier that Indian Air Chief is highlighting “other options” I think India is already using quite a few “other options” (i.e. Propaganda, Promoting Anarky etc). What Indian Air Chief has in:”Other options”? sending IAF pilots on flying booms? Funny enough!

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  • gbs
    Jan 12, 2013 - 2:13PM

    It seems Paksistan does not understands diplomacy. There was Kargil when Mr. Atal Vihari Bajpayee initiated Peace process. Now two soldiers are beheaded in brutal manner. Hot pursuit appears to be other option not explored so far.

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  • Parvez
    Jan 12, 2013 - 2:14PM

    Does all this war hysteria have to do anything with the elections in Pakistan ?

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  • gbs
    Jan 12, 2013 - 2:15PM

    Hot pursuit must be explored

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  • indian
    Jan 12, 2013 - 2:18PM

    @nomi:
    Even afganistan hasnt lost half of its country like pakistan, why u guys keep forgetting that? and name an area India has lost to maoist if you can. Do you want us to name some which you lost to taliban?

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  • Jan 12, 2013 - 2:18PM

    Both countries must sit and talk sensibly rather than try to sway Afghanistan. If Pakistan releases captured Taliban and India does not like it, then India must know that the war in Afghanistan has been going on for thirty plus years and a generation has been lost.

    Obama in a rush to blackmail Karzai and exit Afghanistan is creating headaches for us.

    To quote, “Guests are compared with fish, they start smelling after three days.”………Anonymous.
    We still have about two million Afghan refugees in our camps. So much for our policies of ‘strategic depth’ and strategic assets.’

    Salams for 2013

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  • so
    Jan 12, 2013 - 2:20PM

    so actually india didn’t liked declaring non-conventional elements as main threat… they want Pak army’s attention again, right?

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  • Avenger
    Jan 12, 2013 - 2:24PM

    @Behari Kebab: Seems like They have forgotten 65 , 71 and 2000. More than 70,000 solider surrendered , was not enough for you

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  • Alex
    Jan 12, 2013 - 2:27PM

    @asim: I mean like in 1971?

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  • sarcasm or truth...your pick
    Jan 12, 2013 - 2:27PM

    this is what would have happened had Pakistan won the semi final in 2011 world cup…Yes if Pak had won then (and that too rightfully as we were and are superior side to india) then angry baby (india) might have resorted to firing on LOC…..
    ….yes that loss was also a gift……….remember the very day we won 2-0 ODI series last week…same night Indian started firing…………….and even after political pressure Pakistan gifted the last match….still the angry baby (india) is crying…….

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  • indian
    Jan 12, 2013 - 2:27PM

    @Blithe:
    have u ever been to kashmir? I have. They(muslim majority) hate pakistan. Or check any survey report on internet( which hast been conducted by pakistan or india)._

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  • Zzzz
    Jan 12, 2013 - 2:30PM

    @indian: oh really arent maoists active and have taken over villages in atleast 10 states of India? And haven’t lost half of Kashmir and Gilgit to Pakistan?

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  • Rathore
    Jan 12, 2013 - 2:31PM

    Kiss balochistan goodbye if war happpens

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  • Xnain
    Jan 12, 2013 - 2:32PM

    @gbs:
    But make sure that you choose right cars and right drivers. You can always start a race but cannot end it unilaterally. Last time your airwarriors couldnt withstand even MANPADS with couple going down the drain and others staying rooftop for the rest of the day. You never know if something more greets you this time.

    P.S India has made yet another violation of ceasefire (10th in last 10 days). Pakistan has reiterated that UN should hold an investigation into the violations.

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  • dj
    Jan 12, 2013 - 2:37PM

    @Avenger:
    mistake!!. more than 90,000Recommend

  • Vampire
    Jan 12, 2013 - 2:54PM

    So much for Aman ki Asha, Aman ka tamasha it is…!

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  • AK
    Jan 12, 2013 - 3:03PM

    so sad to note the war hysteria – yes the IA Chief just playing to the gallery as must have been requested to him by the Indian Army Chief and the Defense Minister. Indian politicians are deriving this in order to achieve two goals, more media attention is on LoC now instead of the grave things happening in Delhi and the overall change in political scenario with Pakistan elections and the Afghanistan settlement in site.

    Small skirmishes may take place for another 6 months or so.

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  • Supersequel
    Jan 12, 2013 - 3:07PM

    @indian: that’s why when a cricket match is won by Pakistan or on 14 August they wave pakistani flags and march in thousands, if not tens. Watch youtube videos and on India today posting ;). Pakistanis want Kashmir to be independent or whatever, just not under your system.

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  • Qaisrani
    Jan 12, 2013 - 3:10PM

    Let me make it clear to Indians. No matter how much Pakistan is weak, we will never accept your hegemony. Reason : you look like us, you eat like us so you must stop behaving like US. Stop bashing and threatening Pakistan. End cricket and media based Indian Nationalism, emulating itself to US.

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  • Ozymandias
    Jan 12, 2013 - 3:28PM

    @gbs:
    Hey. your own military DENIED the beheadings.

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  • faraz
    Jan 12, 2013 - 3:33PM

    @Rathore: Forget it! It’s not 1971, Pakistan is a nuclear state now. You and your military chief know very well what a nuke capable country with weak conventional arsenal would do if war is waged!

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  • Sohaib Qamar
    Jan 12, 2013 - 3:43PM

    Amicable solution needed..

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  • Awaam
    Jan 12, 2013 - 3:58PM

    Where is aman ki ashaa???????

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  • Truth
    Jan 12, 2013 - 4:04PM

    LOL at the warning…. Go watch bollywood movies :D

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  • nadeem
    Jan 12, 2013 - 4:05PM

    Here we go again …. two WW2 vintage armies eyeballing each other. Let’s have another war of few days so that the pressure is released for a decade.

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  • BritishPakistaniMuslim&Gay
    Jan 12, 2013 - 4:14PM

    War? Pathetic! India a mature Democracy? God help us!!!!!

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  • BritishPakistaniMuslim&Gay
    Jan 12, 2013 - 4:15PM

    India and Pakistan Terrible Twins!!!

    braki.co.uk

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  • Nasir
    Jan 12, 2013 - 4:17PM

    Love for all hatred for none……stop this insanity

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  • Eskuma
    Jan 12, 2013 - 4:21PM

    @Truth: People of pakistan are crazy about bollywood movies. They smuggle pirated versions of bollywood movies to pakistan.

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  • Sajid
    Jan 12, 2013 - 4:21PM

    @Vikas:
    So atlast u admit that you are the source of trouble from Afghan side…

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  • Eskuma
    Jan 12, 2013 - 4:24PM

    @faraz: India also nuclear state. What about first strike policy from Indians for a change now…?

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  • Eskuma
    Jan 12, 2013 - 4:25PM

    @Raza Khan: Well said sir…

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  • Arthur
    Jan 12, 2013 - 4:27PM

    @asim:

    You mean surrender like in 1971?

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  • razzak ali
    Jan 12, 2013 - 4:28PM

    Mr. army cheif please dont threaten us we are killing our selves anyways starting with ahmedias then shias then christians then moderate and liberal sunnis. So just hang on for a couple of yrs u will never have to use any options. Also your options use it on maoists in your country.

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  • Hassan
    Jan 12, 2013 - 4:33PM

    Dear Indian Air Cheif

    we will tell our boys not to win the next series so please calm down…. please dont forget to issue this warning to UK if you really want to win ongoing series. :P

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  • J.Sandhu
    Jan 12, 2013 - 4:34PM

    I was once speaking to some foriegners who have been to the subcontinent and who have spent some time here, any how, I asked them what they thought of us, the answer was revealing ! They said, you are like children. The answer stopped me short and I had to take time to think over it. Simple statement, but sometimes the truth and answer is simple.
    I thought of the prosperity and richness of their countries, and the countries in the region, like Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong and China, even Vietnam. How they had pursued single mindedly development of their people and countries, how now they had some of the best educational institutions, medical facilities, housing and welfare systems etc etc.

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  • Blithe
    Jan 12, 2013 - 4:36PM

    @indian:
    Then why doesn’t India allow a plebecite, as per UN resolutions .
    Why does she deny the right of choice to Kashmiris?

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  • Jibran
    Jan 12, 2013 - 4:40PM

    @Blithe:
    With Pakistanis having no future in Pakistan, why would Kashmiris like to be in Pakistan? This whole assumption defies logic.

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  • Rex Minor
    Jan 12, 2013 - 4:44PM

    @razzak ali:
    Well said. Besides Pakistan military is currently working on a divie mission for the yanks an are clearing up the spirit of resistance domesticaly. Give us some time and the LOC and our borders will become meaningless. This was the wish of Dr Manmohan Singh anyway.

    Rex Minor

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  • Jibran
    Jan 12, 2013 - 4:46PM

    We can’t afford to fight India. Right now we are losing to Taliban, forget about India.

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  • bharatvarsh
    Jan 12, 2013 - 4:51PM

    I hope this time the radars are working both on the eastern and western front.

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  • Zzzz
    Jan 12, 2013 - 5:03PM

    @Qaisrani:
    yeh baat Qaisrani Sahab, Now u have all my support for Seriaki Suba :-)

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  • indian
    Jan 12, 2013 - 5:03PM

    @Zzzz: taken over some forests …villages no………no they dont kill villagers…..no they dont blow up schools…..nah they dont destroy infrastructure………( agreed that recently 1 was caught for raping 2 girls)………..they dont plant bombs all around village….what they do is they r involved in extortion with construction companies and they target policeman coz we dont set them free and dats what they demand…………..they basically what development to come to their village which govt has been ignoring……..

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  • Pakistani
    Jan 12, 2013 - 5:03PM

    Bring the Chief of Army Staff & Heads of Intelligence agencies of both Countries with political leaders on a table ! and ask them to resolve Problems & miss understandings via negotiation.

    Here we are not talking about some million troops but the future of 1.5 billion people of South Asia.
    Military expenditures & buying armaments should not be the first priority of third world countries like India & Pakistan where half population is living below the line of poverty.

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  • Truth detector
    Jan 12, 2013 - 5:10PM

    NAK Browne scoring a Brownie point……It is laughable to see jingoism from Indians.

    It is time to give Sukhoi Su-30 MKIs a trial by fire.

    Well, usually they are on fire everyday without trial.

    Kiss balochistan goodbye if war happpens

    That is a dangerous assertion. If war happens, it MAY go in other direction & both countries can loose A LOT of Places… u know what I mean…

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  • John the Baptist
    Jan 12, 2013 - 5:25PM

    @BlackJack:

    Poor use of the word sang froid–idiomatically incorrect in the context used.

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  • murali
    Jan 12, 2013 - 5:32PM

    @sarcasm or truth…your pick:

    very good. It appears that world revolves around a cricket match and outcome of a series would Leed battle if not war.

    Grow up gentle man. Allah blessed reasoning brain to you.
    Time to start using it

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  • roadkashehzada
    Jan 12, 2013 - 5:35PM

    in ordinary situation pakistan wud have used nuclear bomb on day 10 of war, but as we have other fronts already open, pakistan might take the step quite early.

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  • indian guy
    Jan 12, 2013 - 5:37PM

    we have bigger army, bigger air force, bigger navy, more money, better manpower, more diplomatic support and lastly we have won wars from you always.
    Digest this.

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  • joker
    Jan 12, 2013 - 5:40PM

    @razzak ali dont forget mohajirs and balochis too…:)

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  • taeseer qadri
    Jan 12, 2013 - 5:43PM

    @ razzak ali i want to shower you with rose petals.

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  • Chauvinistic Rookie
    Jan 12, 2013 - 5:46PM

    Dear India,

    We would love to see you try atleast, knowing you people can only talk about the other options.. :P

    Sincerely and eagerly waiting for something – Pakistan!

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  • Sandip
    Jan 12, 2013 - 5:50PM

    @nomi: “Lol
    Does the Indian Air Chief think that Pakistan is Afghanistan or some little arab state?”.

    The IAF chief knows exactly who he is dealing with. He wouldn’t have said this to any other country. He has ample evidence of that. Let’s see if we can recount a few – Abbottabad, Salala, numerous cases where Pakistan army simply put down weapons in their hundreds at the slightest signs of challenge from militants. On the other hand there are cases like Memogate where they hounded the government. So he has a pretty good idea of the type of fellows he is dealing with.

    Having said that, India should play this with caution. This is exactly what we should have expected. The Pakistani establishment is back to its old games, knowing fully well that they are in a real trouble in Pakistan, with democratic transition about to happen for the first time with them having no role in it. Even if we have to drink this anger, we should do it in the larger strategic interest of long term peace between India and Pakistan.

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  • Waqas
    Jan 12, 2013 - 5:51PM

    @ROHIT: Rohit, don’t give silly statements. Yes, its true that pakistan is out numbered but if you see from another angle, if full scale nuclear war b/w india and pakistan starts. India will be on bigger risk as pakistan’s economy is already worse of all times, pakistan do not have any thing much to loose. But india has some emerging economy. I am sure that india do not want to loose it. And you must be cleared that with the “options” that pak military has, it may create beyond repair damages for indian economy. Damage will also be on pakistani side but lets be honest we are already in state of war; situation of electricity, water, sui gas is worst of all. Law and order is extremely poor. So, observing overall situation, WAR WITH PAKISTAN IS BAD FOR INDIA, nai to “hm to doobain ge sanam tum ko bhe le doobain ge”

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  • Asad
    Jan 12, 2013 - 5:54PM

    I am from Sargodha, Pakistan and what i understand is both sides portray totally different picture of what is going on.To talk of war between two nuclear armed nations is sheer madness.Why not involve United Nations and let them conduct an inquiry and decide who is at fault and even if Pakistan is at found at fault, at-least we will know the truth and then may be we can move on. Other wise things can escalate in a spiral chain of events.Lets hope sanity prevails.

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  • Ali Hazara
    Jan 12, 2013 - 6:19PM

    Sorry we are busy killing each other. Or should I say we (Hazaras) are being killed by LeJ. But believe me when I say that we will forget our internal differences in case India makes a mistake of hostility.

    We are after all Pakistanis. Remember that, don’t forget.

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  • Jat
    Jan 12, 2013 - 6:26PM

    @Ali Hazara: Now enjoy being Pakistanis everyday ! And don’t expect any outside help, as after all, you are Pakistanis, don’t forget. All the very best to you.

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  • Positive Pakistani
    Jan 12, 2013 - 6:40PM

    hahaha…..”Other Options”……hahahaha…..like what???

    Man…..it takes just these kind of comments from any body like you from across the border to unite all nationalists, democrats, socialists, fundamentalists, extremists, liberals, ‘enlightened-moderates’ and everybody else in Pakistan…to “Unite” against India…..i don’t know why but it is the ground reality in Pakistan…..

    And Mr. Browne ….you know what…..in these circumstances the almost 47 years old statement from Pakistan Head of State Ayub Khan still holds true…“hamarey paroosion ko shayad Pata nahi hai k unhoon ney kis qoam ko lalkaara hai” (Our neighbors probably don’t know whom they are dealing with..)…..you know this stuff??? ….you better should…..

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  • Arthur
    Jan 12, 2013 - 6:41PM

    @ManofSteel!:

    Clearly you are one of those who like the taste of defeat so much that once is not enough for you. In fact, thrice hasn’t been enough so you want it a fourth time. I hope the collective nation of Pakistan has more wisdom than you.

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  • A J Khan
    Jan 12, 2013 - 7:06PM

    Options available to India are available to Pakistan also.

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  • concerned
    Jan 12, 2013 - 7:23PM

    Maybe Pakistan should invite an conflict so that the Taliban can leave our homes, cities, school, streets and our civilians and fight at the Indian border…maybe it will be a blessing in disguise… whenever there is an external threat Pakistan unites and shines… we badly need unity right now….

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  • salar
    Jan 12, 2013 - 7:41PM

    India is acting like a South-Asian – US bullying all the other neighboring countries.

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  • mudassar
    Jan 12, 2013 - 7:45PM

    Dear discussion members the series such incident started the day india lost series against Pakistan. Indians do not have sportsmen spirit.
    the issue is getting worse i think the other side is in a mood for some excercise becasue they feel weak economic conditions in Pakistan may help India.

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  • Truth detector
    Jan 12, 2013 - 7:47PM

    @Asad

    I fully support you but the problem is Indians do not like impartial anything. They believe in fixed matches, fixed man of the matches. Most of them live in Bollywood fantasy in which ‘Hero’ is always right, never looses while fighting bad guys in land of milk & honey in a peaceful & tranquil India.

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  • bounty hunter
    Jan 12, 2013 - 7:51PM

    cool down guys….iaf chief’s statement was a popularity stunt…so that he may b applauded by his ill informed nation…barking dogs seldom bite….

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  • M.S.I
    Jan 12, 2013 - 7:59PM

    The irresponsible indian media doesnt know what its getting its nation into. Pakistan has fought 4 wars with you indians, outnumbered 4:1, yet we stand today do we not ? 10 years of war have strengthened the Pakistani people beyond your imagination.
    You indians should be reminded that despite your overwhelming numbers we wrestled half of Kashmir in 48, pushed you all the way back to Akhnur, didnt let you land a single shell on Lahore and kicked yours at Chawinda while being outnumbered. You cried at Kargil and kissed Clintons tootsies for a ceasefire.
    So I say weve been swinging for 67 years, war is bad, peace is good. But if you want war youll get when.
    YOU DO YOUR WORST ,WELL DO OUR BEST !! Glory to Pakistan, my one and only home. !!

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  • Raj - USA
    Jan 12, 2013 - 8:01PM

    A week ago I wrote that India / Pakistan war in imminent this summer. Dr. Khan, Iran and Libya have exposed sufficiently on Pakistan’s nuclear capabilities. So, it is no longer a major concern in the Indian military circles. India knew about it much earlier and pounded Pakistan Army during Kargil. It may have factored these in the cold start doctrine also. Pakistan has fissile material with which it can make dirty bomb. If it has a nuclear bomb is doubtful. We have also seen decades old and obsolete technology of Pakistan’s missiles that fell over KP recently. Even if Pakistan has the real nukes, what makes them think that they can ever bring it out of the storage with US and NATO forces sitting there? Pakistan’s missiles (whatever it has) shall be blown up immediately. Drones collect data not just on talibans. They collect other data also. We have also seen the courage of Pakistani army as the talibans exposed them repeatedly and Kayani kept shivering. May be he is on his way to China already. If China does not come up with a strong statement in a few days, not just talk about mountains and seas, you will know where Pakistan stands. What makes Pakistan think that China would support Pakistan on Kashmir? For all you know, China and India may both be working to split amongst themselves the entire Kashmir region including that Pakistan occupies. This would take care of the Islamic problem in the region once and for all and also provide a convenient access to both countries to Afghanistan. Prosperous and peaceful Afghanistan will not become an Islamic fanatic. China has invested $6 billion in Afghanistan and India has invested $2billion there. Both would not allow their investment to be lost or Afghanistan to be controlled by terrorists although Pakistan may want Afghanistan to be controlled by the taliban fanatics. In their hate for India, Pakistan forgot Chinese investment in Afghanistan. China, more than India would protect their investment in Afghanistan and they have the capability to do so.

    As for this recent flare up, it is not just this border incidence. It is the simmering effect of many of Pakistan’s continued actions. These include conversions of hindu girls, inaction in Mumbai terror, mass migration of hindus from Pakistan, destruction of temples, desecration of graves, blasphemy laws, etc. Such atrocities by Pakistan were hidden and not known to many earlier. With US and West turning against Pakistan, the media has highlighted these. Youtube brought thousands of videos and it would be stupid for Pakistanis to think that only Indians watched these. The whole world watched these and they now have their opinion. Pakistanis made it worse for themselves by their stupid actions and inactions. US and West are not going to forget the $1 trillion loss to their economy due to terrorism. All terror activities anywhere in the world had a Pakistan connection.

    If a war has to be avoided, Pakistan should take strong action on all those who are responsible for Mumbai terror activities and also on the issues of conversions, blasphemy, etc. It cannot just allow Hafiz Saeed to continue recruiting terrorists to kill Indian soldiers as he is doing now in the Kashmir region. If Pakistan presents an opportunity, it shall be used.

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  • Watan dost
    Jan 12, 2013 - 8:02PM

    I think if india uses its so-called “other options” then pakistan should go for an all out war against india , this will make TTP also to infiltrate in kashmir side occupied by india as they are desperately trying but not allowed by pakistani army. TTP offered pakistan army that if the they let TTP cross LOC to lodge attacks on indian army then they can have a cease fire with pakistan army in FATA. Why pakistan army does not take services of TTP against indian army when TTP is glady aspiring for that.

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  • Hold your horses
    Jan 12, 2013 - 8:29PM

    @asim:

    Pls help me understand…..for you guys other option would mean “non state actors”

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  • I-umaid
    Jan 12, 2013 - 8:35PM

    @Jibran: “We can’t afford to fight India. Right now we are losing to Taliban, forget about India.”
    How can you say that, forget the Army we the civilian are well enough to defeat India, remember bombay ????…….:)

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  • Truth detector
    Jan 12, 2013 - 8:37PM

    Whatever is the outcome of this conflict… Man of the match will be Dhoni….

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  • Pakistani
    Jan 12, 2013 - 8:55PM

    @ROHIT:

    The war of current times is not about numbers as you pointed out 2.5 to 1.
    Next war ( God Forbid ) will be nuclear – and then the numbers wont matter as both sides will have heavy casulaties. Not to mention pakistan has better nuclear missiles and technology.

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  • Pakistani
    Jan 12, 2013 - 8:55PM

    Indians took a cricket match way too seriously. Its okay. Vent some on England as well who is currently demolishing India

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  • G. Din
    Jan 12, 2013 - 9:06PM

    @A J Khan:
    “Options available to India are available to Pakistan also.”
    No, they are not. You come woefully short in every area of warfare, men, materiel, organizational and strategic skills. Most of all, you have absolutely no friends left in the world. China has already told your leaders not to count on them for problems you are hellbent on creating with everyone around and to please, please stop making those diarrheal visits to Beijing. Result: no visits to Beijing. Have you noticed, not many of your leaders go to perform their Umrah as well these days? Why, because they are not welcome in Saudi Arabia as leaders of Pakistan lately. There is Turkey but who in the world counts Turkey in anything.
    I suggest you let go of those fanciful fantasies and daydreaming, being a “nookleyer” rival of India and touch solid ground occasionally!

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  • Haider Ali
    Jan 12, 2013 - 9:08PM

    It is possible that the Shias will fight on side of India. At least in India they dont kill Shias. I and many of my brothers have lost our trust and faith in Pakistan. Even Human Rights Watch says that establishment has hand in killing shias.

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  • Enlightened
    Jan 12, 2013 - 9:10PM

    Indian media is reporting that Pakistan army is getting the villages vacated along the LoC however the same steps are not being taken on the Indian side. These steps indicate that Pak military is desperate to start something to get out of the mess it has created in the country and divert the attention of its people of the external threat on its Eastern border.

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  • Rizwan Nasar
    Jan 12, 2013 - 9:18PM

    I guess he just saw “Zero Dark Thirty” and thinks violating Pakistan’s air space is a piece of cake! They can fly into Paistan and do whatever… Drean on!

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  • Raja Imran Kiyani
    Jan 12, 2013 - 9:22PM

    Kaash India Pakistan kay khilaf koi karwai karay to us ko us ki awqaat pata chalay.Jihad(Ghazwa-e -Hind) ka raasta khud bakhud khul jae ga

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  • saeed
    Jan 12, 2013 - 9:32PM

    Please use your option and use good .No POW like previous war.
    I rather prefer to die by people have face and dignity, than kill in a bomb blast by these masked hidding in there holes terrorist .

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  • Jan 12, 2013 - 9:33PM

    @asim: Awam will not let have this time to surrender,but to exercise other final option.

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  • Jat
    Jan 12, 2013 - 9:43PM

    @saeed: Please use your option and use good .No POW like previous war.
    I rather prefer to die by people have face and dignity, than kill in a bomb blast by these masked hiding in there holes terrorist

    Am an Indian; and yet your comment brought tears to my eyes. Do not worry, finally, ultimately, we will save you – not Americans, Chinese, Saudis or Turks.

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  • Ibrahim Nadir
    Jan 12, 2013 - 9:47PM

    *26/11 has become the second 9/11 for
    us. What a pity we understand but
    still can’t do anything! *

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  • Qaisrani
    Jan 12, 2013 - 10:03PM

    @Zzzz: Man, Thanks for your support for Saraiki province.Once this Indian threat is over, we will decide our internal problem.

    Indians, please, stop threatening us. We will never bow to your threats. Reasons: to be honest, your skin is darker than us.haha. Believe me this is not joke, this is reality. So we will never accept your hegemony.

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  • Jan 12, 2013 - 10:24PM

    @Ali Hazara: Brother We are Muslims,Our beliefs are common ,no difference.We need to know our real enemy.We both suffer,our children,mothers,sisters,are killed and the enemy is enjoying it.

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  • Karim Javed
    Jan 12, 2013 - 10:32PM

    @ROHIT: What do you think that wars are conducted on the basis of ammunition and power, dude If you are thinking that in this way any country can win a war, then you should consider on the example of Afghanistan and USA :) 10 years have gone and still they are trying to win. Without any Aircraft and without proper fighting equipment they are fighting USA much much much more powerful state than you. War will give you nothing this will definitely pull both the countries 50 years back. We are ever ready for any condition and we are a born fighter, we don’t afraid of our enemies and this is the spirit which makes our enemies think twice and thrice before they attack us.

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  • Truth detector
    Jan 12, 2013 - 10:43PM

    @Raj – USA… Yawn !!! Blah Blah !! Yawn. If even 10% of what you said was true, India would have acted long time ago. So, drop this koolaid nonsensical propaganda. No matter what you Indians think, US is not ready to get bogged down in any conflict, it wants to leave Afghanistan & it needs Pakistani cooperation. Because apparently, Bollywood flicks cannot bring peace in Afghanistan as EVERYONE has learned by now, so may be India should too & stop these childish tantrums.

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  • AK Murthy
    Jan 12, 2013 - 11:07PM

    Guys don’t fight over this. India has already showed its mettle by targeted and suppression firing of Pakistan LOC fire. Pakistanis are wimps and asking for a UN probe.

    Remember that India will retaliate for every firing of Pakistan across the LOC. There is no Ifs or Buts on this.

    The IAF chief was merely stating all options that is available. If the Pakistanis think they can attack India go for it. By the way make sure that you also take care of the Quetta vicitms If you really care:)

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  • sylmar khan
    Jan 12, 2013 - 11:34PM

    @indian:

    Hahahahaha

    Have you forgot that you lost 1/4 of british india. you could not rule all of it. is that your resentment.

    your sorry party is congress that could not win except khyber pakhtuhnunkhwa.

    you know remember this region supported congress. it has taliban al queda mujhadeen that captured kashmir.

    We are happy that bengal got freedom. we are not like indians where we take lands that does not belong by force alone.

    feel sorry for you. you had to make occupation that last resort for solution of kashmir.

    You could not get along with kashmir or pakistan. at least bengal pakistan living happily.

    Live your unhappy life. don’t worry about pakistan afghanistan kashmir bengal.

    If these regions become one india will not last even with that many hindu majority.

    Indians should know that mujhadeen want to occupy india. this is the solution for our dispute.

    So don’t cry for kashmir or indian muslim minority.
    because kashmiris and indian muslims will side with us against inferior india.

    So stop talking about afghanistan bengal. you are not free of pakistan kashmir dispute.

    mumbai dhamaka was alive our plan of conquer of india.

    don’t forget about your british india when talking of pakistan alright.

    indian fear of conquer by mujhadeen will stop with solution of kashmir. not with conquer of kashmir remember……………..

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  • sylmar khan
    Jan 12, 2013 - 11:39PM

    @indian:

    india lost plebiscite in UN resolution that last option is unification of kashmir with out past jammu and kashmir state.

    thanks to unwarranted pride of india!

    Pakistan is still the second option.

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  • Zzzz
    Jan 12, 2013 - 11:44PM

    @indian guy:
    Yes we have small army, small navy, small airforce, weak economy but remember we have nuclear bombs just like you do. One attack on our cities and our response will be a Bomb on Delhi and Mumbai. Then you can enjoy your economy. And yes then we unleash the Taliban upon you. :-)

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  • janaan
    Jan 13, 2013 - 12:09AM

    duuhhhhhh????????

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  • super star
    Jan 13, 2013 - 12:14AM

    There is no need for indIan air force chief to give any warning or to take any action. Pakistani are doin a great job of killing each other and destroying their country. Just look at the quetta b blasts . India and the rest of the world has to just sit and watch the carnage. This hatred in Pakistan will destroy itself

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  • Tinku(INDIA)
    Jan 13, 2013 - 12:35AM

    Lets hope their will be no war. Bcz nobody gains by war. Its the terrorists who gain from these only the terrorists will be succesful in their motive. We want to see more of India vs Pak cricket matches.. To those India hating comments..bro we could be friends if we met. Its just the news channels both countries who are making those hype

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  • Hassan Jan
    Jan 13, 2013 - 12:45AM

    I hope Indian make first move so we can test out Jf17 Thunder and the block 50 f16s we recently got a few years ago. Pakistani skies have never been safe for Indias. Recommend

  • Jan 13, 2013 - 1:23AM

    I beg India, Please choose other option.
    Then I will see what happens. Now do not back off. Please come on.

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  • Raj - USA
    Jan 13, 2013 - 1:42AM

    @Truth detector:
    US needs Pakistan ???? What a short memory. Just recall what Musharraf said when he decided to join US led war on terror. He said that if Pakistan has not cooperated, US and India would have cooperated and obliterated Pakistan. He was the President Army Chief and in full control of Pakistan then. US and others are never going to forget that OBL was in Pakistan for over 6 years and was found so close to Pakistan Army’s compound. If US can spend trillion dollar, it can and shall spend few billions more to ensure that islamic terrorism is wiped out completely. Taking care of Pakistan will dissuade such terror activities throughout the world, for ever. The arms and personnel US has now in Afghanistan are more than enough to make Pakistan what Pakistan had made of OBL’s residence. Pakistan shall pay the costs for sheltering OBL, sooner or later. This flare up with India is not without purpose or reason. Pakistan has to change history of its actions to ensure that its geography is not changed. It is not India vs. Pakistan. Much more than that and India will cooperate wholeheartedly.

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  • Khan sb
    Jan 13, 2013 - 4:00AM

    This is what happens when you beat India in India. Sore Losers !!

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  • Raj - USA
    Jan 13, 2013 - 5:39AM

    @Truth detector:
    Apparently, you are not aware of the influence of Bollywood flicks in Afghanistan. My Afghan friends have told me that you will hear Bollywood songs played in most trucks, taxis and cars in Afghanistan, even today. In Pakistan songs from Bollywood movies are played as is. But, in Afghanistan there are several bands that translate latest Bollywood songs in Pashto and play them. In US also there are such Afghan music bands. Afghanistan is not all Taliban. Dara Singh had been the most popular Indian actor in Afghanistan and Iran for many, many years.

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  • islooboy
    Jan 13, 2013 - 9:23AM

    if this is true than ghauris ghaznavis and baburs shall land indian soil once again

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  • islooboy
    Jan 13, 2013 - 9:25AM

    @Eskuma:
    inncorrect information SOME do most dont

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  • Pakistani
    Jan 13, 2013 - 10:01AM

    Surprised to see Paki/Indo guyz so obsessed for hate-words. Be known that both are among the security giants of the world. What our poor people want is peace, trade, education, jobs and economic progress. Compete in the logical way. Is it too hard to understand for any sane person. Keep saying I’m good & he is bad, and bad ones from both sides of border will keep making us all fools. Change the national thinking. Play your role, please.

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  • Clear Black Bag
    Jan 13, 2013 - 11:19AM

    “@Vikas:Good Job. Threaten then from Afgha borders also.”
    Do you believe/can you say surely and assuredly/are you sure that Taliban shall leave and allow you to do so from Afghanistan?Because US’ and NATO’s forces couldn’t defeat Taliban till now besides having most modern war’s techniques,equipments and technologies in Afghanistan then how can do so?So live within your limits and stop stargazing and daydreaming for taking control over Pakistan….

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  • Maria
    Jan 13, 2013 - 11:23AM

    @Avenger: From the accounts of independent observers, 1947 was a Pak victory, 1965 was a staelmate and 1971 was a lost because Pakistan army was fighting with one hand tied behind its back in a civil war. Be that as it may, why do you people still harp on about Indira Gandhi’s comment that 1971 War was India’s revenge for 1000 years of Muslim rule over South Asia. Just grow up and work for peace between the two nations. Your hype about winning wars means nothing when the facts are that a smaller and outnumbered Pakistan has always held up to India in any fair match.

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  • mudassar
    Jan 13, 2013 - 4:23PM

    @Eskuma:
    soon this will also endRecommend

  • mudassar
    Jan 13, 2013 - 4:27PM

    @ROHIT:
    We have history of making numbers go other i my self is not support of war because it may take Pakistan and India 50 years back. I personally think India will loose more than Pakistan If any sort of war happens.

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