"The issue of tensions, historical tensions between India and Pakistan is one that the secretary (of Defense Leon Panetta) knows very well," Press Secretary George Little said at a briefing in wake of Line of Control ceasefire violation in the disputed Kashmir region.
The Pentagon official spoke after Islamabad lodged a protest with New Delhi over Sunday's unprovoked attack on its military post in Haji Pir sector, which resulted in loss of a Pakistani soldier. Islamabad also rejected New Delhi's allegation that two Indian soldiers had been killed the a day later in an alleged Pakistani attack, terming it propaganda to cover up for the Indian attack against Pakistani soldiers on Sunday.
At the Department of Defence briefing, Little said: "And, of course, we all hope - and our Pakistani and Indian partners hope - that we can maintain peace and stability in the region."
Secretary of Defence Panetta has affirmed that position on visits throughout that region, including to India, Little added in response to a question.
Meanwhile State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland insisted "violence is not the answer for either country."
"We've been counseling both governments to de-escalate, to work through this issue, to continue the consultations between them at a high level that we understand are ongoing now.”
Earlier this week, the State Department had also expressed concern over cross-LoC violence following Islamabad's protest over the Indian raid, and called for an end to exchange of fire.
The two countries have largely observed ceasefire along the LoC in the last ten years and have also taken steps to normalise relations. Kashmir, one of the oldest UN-recognised unresolved disputes, however, remains the underlying cause of tensions between the two South Asian nuclear powers.
Speaking on the issue of terrorism, the Pentagon spokesperson underscored United States' commitment to "stand with everyone in the world to include those in India and in Pakistan, who take a very hard line against terrorists, who want to kill civilians, whether it's Pakistani, Indian or American civilians."
"We have all been affected by terrorism, and we believe that there needs to be a united front against terrorist groups operating in that region of the world and in others," Little noted, when an Indian journalist insisted that India could face terrorism as Afghanistan proceeds with its transition which will see an end to US-led war in that country in 2014.
Respect ceasefire
The United Nations Wednesday called on India and Pakistan to respect the ceasefire in the Kashmir.
Responding to a question about the heightening Indo-Pakistan tensions, spokesperson Martin Nesirky said while the United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP), received a complaint from Pakistan about an Indian incursion on January 6, it received no complaint from either the Pakistan Army or Indian Army about the alleged January 8 incident.
On its part, Pakistan has rejected the Indian claim as propaganda to cover up Indian attack against Pakistani soldiers on Sunday.
"UNMOGIP is aware that the Pakistan Army and Indian Army are in contact via the hotline and urges both sides to respect the cease-fire and de-escalate tensions through dialogue," the spokesperson said at the regular noon briefing in New York.
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@Aaditya: "and even if it’s true, I’ll dare to say SO WHAT… we need peace… peace is beyond all price… I don’t care even if we have to let Kashmir accede to Pakistan… if it can get us peace and tolerance"
What you are talking about is not peace but appeasement.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Prime Minister Winston Churchill
@Aaditya: "and even if it’s true, I’ll dare to say SO WHAT… we need peace… peace is beyond all price… I don’t care even if we have to let Kashmir accede to Pakistan… if it can get us peace and tolerance… that’s more than worth it…" So very "true", Abdul. The best peace is the peace of the "dead".
@GT Road: Even the rabidly anti-Pakistani media in India is now accepting that India provoked the clash. So you were right, they did falsify the story.
@Jai: Please don't transfer Indian short comings to Pakistan, this is called transferance in psychology. It is India that is trying to provrke a war, typical of its past conduct, as it has lost 50% of its territory to various armed insurgencies, and cannot enforce its authority in these areas. Therefore, it has to divert the attention of its hungry and destitute public by playing the Pakistan card again, and ithe stupid public actually believes the government's lies since they are indoctrinated to hate Pakistan from infancy.
@Communicator: Siachen, etc. are not easy issues to resolve as long as China is the factor and Pakistan continues to knowtow to china. It has already annexed and handed over areas to Kashmir that India claims its own. Now problems/solutions have gotten much more complex.
@Naeem Siddiqui:
The very fact that Pakistan is staying in Kashmir, when India has the Accession Agreement is provocation.
The very fact that Pakistan has not taken its military out of Pakistan, even after UN Resolutions deem Pakistan to do is provocation.
India is the dominant and rightful owner of the Territory and Pakistan is the trespasser. That is why when in 1965 after Pakistan launched Operation Gibralter, we considered it an act of war. Same with 1999.
The Hindu reports India wanted to build a observation post, which the Pakistanis objected. But, diplomacy stops India from stating the truth. Our Territory, our wish.
I hope you remember the lessons of Kargil war well. Indians lost Territory to ambushes, yes, at first. But, remember the shells that rained on Pakistani posts later? Why do you want to provoke a war you can't win?
You guys can't even fight the TTP, your own men, with no education but with an AK-47, who fight in the name of Islam.
Pakistan should respect its elders. US drones killed a dozen people in Pakistan yesterday, Taliban kidnapped a few Soldiers not too long ago and killed them. So, when India starts acting like US or TTP, Pakistan will respect it?
@ BruteForce
Don't know about mobilization but it appears back tracking has just started especially when US has refused to buy the 'beheading' story. :)
Uri commander’s forceful retaliation led to beheadings? http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/uri-commanders-forceful-retaliation-led-to-beheadings_821941.html
It sounds like not everyone in India is as 'Brute' with common sense as you are.
@Chilly Halal Pork: Reread the Hindu story again. Don't read the head line and conclude.
Indians were constructing Observation posts which PAK did not like and shelled and killed the villagers and in retaliation the Indians shot back and PAK soldier got injured and all down hill from there.
@Ammar Khan: "Even sensible Indian media reports that provocation was started by Indian Army killing one Pakistani jawan and injuring another. Only if Indians commenting here could understand"
You missed it!!! according to the mentioned report provocation was stated by Pakistani soldiers by killing three Indian civilians and targeting Indian soldiers !!! this led to retaliation by Indian soldiers and retaliation of Indian retaliation by Pakistani soldiers. This unfortunate madness must stop...........
@Ammar Khan: The Hindu article is illuminating and explains a lot of things. Thanks for posting the link. . I will not blame other Indians for not knowing about this article that came out today; I certainly did not know until you posted. But we will accept the truth whichever way that coin falls.
Even sensible Indian media reports that provocation was started by Indian Army killing one Pakistani jawan and injuring another. Only if Indians commenting here could understand
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/runaway-grandmother-sparked-savage-skirmish-on-loc/article4291426.ece?homepage=true
India should mobilise its troops, with the intent of forcing Pakistan to do the same. I don't know why this has not been discussed, probably because its a costly process.
If India does this then Pakistan will be forced to pull its troops from Tribal areas, thereby helping TTP. TTP will do what India can. Heck, its killing more Pakistani soldiers than India ever hope to. Allow the cancer to spread inside the body, thats punishment enough.
@G. Din: How do you know for sure it was the Pakistani special forces? Stop believing all the crap GOI dishes out.
for all the whining Indians in Pakistani news websites - India does not recognise UNMOGIP ( The UN observatory on LoC) !!! Your Government didn't even lodge a complaint with them then how come you are asking for ICJ? It is Pakistan who lodged a complaint for India's attack on our post & it is we who asked your Government to let UN investigate the recent issue BUT your Government has declined to do so, so who is running from the truth now??? We don't need your Government's investigation nor we want your soap styled news channels to do the investigation + propaganda, let UN do the job so that truth can be heard.
@Aaditya: Brother come to Karachi and drive. All your love for Pakistan will vanish in 30 seconds
Aaditya bhaijan, how thoughtful of you. I guess we Pakistani should hand over Kashmir to you since we have many well planned city to boast about. Of course once we give you Kashmir peace will prevail, that's what you want right ?
@mohsin:"it is always the same with Indians." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I am glad that you were able to dodge the 20 Hour loadshedding and manage to make this wise observation!
@Saeed: What made your grand parents leave their friends behind in India and march on foot to come to the land of pures, if I may ask.? And if your grand parents could not live in yesterday's Desh, you reckon todays Desh is more accomodating. Just sort of curious, I see that both people are one and same and show outwardly no difference. Open borders is a good idea as is in todays Europe, but careful in terms of womens rights Inia stands poor in G20 Nations and women get raped every 23 minutes.
Rex Minor
Hey fellows,
if Indian soldiers bodies were found mutilated after Indian military shot across and killed a Pakistani soldier, then there is a possibility that Indian soldiers were attacke and pumelled y snow leapord; there are quite a few i Jammu and Kashmr. This still begs the question, what was the Indian Govt.response when the Pakistan Govt complained abut the cease fire violation? None, I guess!
Rex Minor
@GT Road: Pakistan is trying to provoke a war with India so it does not have to fight the Taliban which your establishment considers assets. That however will not solve Pakistan's internal problems. Your soldier died while providing covering fire to Pakistani infiltrators. It wasn't an Indian attack. It would serve no Indian interest to provoke a war with Pakistan right now. Your country's establishment is facing internal strife and popular dissent. Why would India provoke a war and unite all factions against India? It would only serve the Pakistani establishment. That is why the Indian soldiers were beheaded against Geneva convention rules which Pakistan is a signatory to. It's only to provoke war hysteria with India instead of Pakistan army acting against their so called strategic assets which it uses as gun fodder. Pakistan is showing time and again it's sociopath behavior dishonoring international agreement even after being a signatory.
@Aaditya: We can have peace with pakistan, but certainly not under the conditions you propose. Also, in your desire to live peacefully you have forgotten to Differentiate right from wrong.
@Aaditya: " ... I don’t care even if we have to let Kashmir accede to Pakistan… if it can get us peace and tolerance… that’s more than worth it… "
Nice try Abdul.
@Blithe: What's illegal about building fences on our side of the LoC to deter you and your ilk to cross over illegally?
@blab: "yea so please give kashmir to us so we can properly plan it" +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ And also introduce 20 hour load shedding and Karachi style murderous violence.
We want to see peaceful co existence. No more hate and war.
@aadita yea so please give kashmir to us so we can properly plan it and put beautiful buildings with colors and stuff
@Aaditya: Dear Aaditya, thanks for your comments. In fact I never realised there lies this hidden beauty in Pakistani major cities. That is a pleasant surprise. Constitutionally, Yes Pakistan is an Islamic Republic, otherwise it just a majority Muslim country. It is fact that our obsession with religious ritualism is on the rise from day one and under some governments such as Zia it was converted into a malaise. Honestly, millions of Pakistanis like me, have no hatred against India and its people. My grand parents both mother and father sides, were from Indian Punjab, and whenever they mentioned India, they never called it India, they always called it "daish" despite the fact they left their homes for refugee camps in March 1947 nearly 5 months before fires of hatred reached to insanity on both sides. They reached Lahore in Oct 1947 because they were on foot thus taking them nearly 7 months since they left their homes because of communal violence. But still they had no hatred and they fondly remembered their days and friends left behind. Believe, you will find love if you ever visit Pakistan. They hatred you feel is official and mutually kept aflame by governments. Hope some day you would take the opportunity to walk along the green parks of Islamabad or Lahore, or drive through our cities.
@G. Din... yes I know the topic... and there is no "more agreeable occasion"... the accusation that "Indian soldiers were decapitated by Pakistani Special Forces after trespassing deep into Indian territory" is just an accusation... they could be lying for all one knows... and even if it's true, I'll dare to say SO WHAT... we need peace... peace is beyond all price... I don't care even if we have to let Kashmir accede to Pakistan... if it can get us peace and tolerance... that's more than worth it...
@adtiya Wow, your comment is so much related to the issue here... city planning is the only solution to peace
Aaditya, Obviously you've never been to India and you view of India is limited by what you see in your country's newspapers or what the propaganda feeds you..it is sickening. On the other hand, I've been to cities in both countries and vehemently disgree with your comments Many cities in India are quite well planned especially the newer areas. How do you expect to plan/zone thousand year old cities? Your comment is illogical and does not make sense at all. Nice try buddy for using a phony Indian name my (converted) brother...:)
@Aaditya:
There might be some Pakistani muslims who might "hate hindus" as you say. Just like there might by India Hindus who might "hate muslims." An overwhelming majority will welcome positive interactions between the two countries. As a Pakistani I hope you do get to visit Pakistan soon and are able to witness our hospitality first hand.
Secondly, as far as planning is concerned, Pakistan might have a few areas which are planned but for the most part we follow our Indian siblings in governance and planning decisions. That's to say, we are not very different in our shortcomings.
Regardless, There are issues that are integral to the resolution of Pakistan-India conflict. Prime amongst them is the issue of Kashmir. Ironically, the Kashmiris would rather do away with both pretenders and move forward on their own. Secondly, there is the issue of Siachen which can be resolved, if only because fighting over empty space is in neither party's interest. It can be developed into a peace park. Thirdly, there is an issue of water flows in the Indus rivers. Again, dialogue and interaction can certainly help us move forward. India doesn't share water data with Pakistan and it adds to our apprehensions.
Resolution of above mentioned issues will see more people to people interaction resulting in trade as well as joint ventures to relieve energy stress on both countries. Lets make efforts to listen to each other and communicate for the alternatives are dark and gory.
@Aaditya: I agree with you on this. Even the buildings are constructed better in Pakistan and they look beautiful in color and design. In India most buildings including recently constructed tall buildings lack artistic appeal. Their Parliament, Assembly, Supreme Court buildings, all look much better. I remember Rajiv Gandhi also mentioned that Indian builders should also consider the artist appeal in their constructions.
@Aaditya: Do you have any idea what the topic is you are commenting under? Your ramblings about city panning in India and Pakistan are entirely out of place here. Save them for some more agreeable occasion. Are you aware that two Indian soldiers were decapitated by Pakistani Special Forces in Kashmir after trespassing deep into Indian territory? That is what this topic is about.
@GT Road: Only way you will see the truth when it is proven in ICJ like ISI's involvement in Mumbai was comprehensively proven in a US court.
Only way to prove what is the truth is by taking such violation of Genova convention to ICJ. Pakistan denied their involvement in Mumbai until it was comprehensively proven in US (Rana and Headely). Same they and their supported will continue to deny the truth.
Kashmir cause suffered greatly under Mysharraf .
Illegal fences were built by India - these must be demolished .
it is always the same with Indians. stop diverting your peoples attention from real issues by turning it to Pakistan. we have our own complex issues ( real + imaginary ) please don't disturb.
If the Americans want their hope to be realized then the should stop promoting India as a global power (whiich it sure ain't). Americans may do this to gain access to Indian markets, but all it does is encourages India to act irresponsibly against its neighbors, the latest example of which was killing of a Pakistani soldier on Sunday, and then concocting stories about a Pakistani attack.
Besides, it does nothing for America's international standing to promote a rogue country that has an established record of committing aggression against all its neighbors, showing utter contempt for its international law by continuing its occupation, violating human rights of its minorities, and generally being a destabilizing force in the region.
It is a shame that US is taking about maintaining peace. One rule for others and another for itself. The pathetic thing is Pakistan and India have a lot of internal problems to address rather than ramping up their military budget. If people get more awareness in the form of proper education and healthcare, I think, it will be open borders rather than an expensive exercise of protecting borders.
I really look forward to the day when religion is dissociated from public administration as political representatives can stop playing the communal cards!
As an Indian I think Pakistan is a great country compared to India in one respect at least... I've never been to Pakistan and will probably never visit, but if you look using Google Earth... compare Karachi, Islamabad and Faisalabad (Lyallpur) on the one hand to Mumbai, Kolkata, Bengaluru and Chennai... Pakistani cities are properly planned, with proper zoned city planning and a grid layout... compared to most Indian cities which are completely chaotically planned, with no grid and no zoning at all.. of course it's partly because India is densely populated and Indian cities have no desert areas like Karachi has to expand into... and the Pakistani Army controls a lot of these Defense Housing Authority things... but still Pakistanis should be proud of how they have achieved city planning which India never did... maybe 20 years from now India will be 5 times as rich in per capita GDP as Pakistan.. but Pakistani cities will still be more livable, with better public amenities and easier to navigate... Congratulations to Pakistan on this... though it's really sad how they hate Hindus... we don't have any problem with their right to be an Islamic state, etc. although we strongly disagree with the idea... but how nice would it be if Indians could get some relief from driving in Indian cities and drive in Gulberg in Karachi or the planned areas outside Lahore or the nice sectors in Islamabad...