VD Savarkar was a product of the British Raj, where the notion of an ‘Indian nation’ was deeply contested. While people like Jawaharlal Nehru and Mahatma Gandhi were arguing for a composite nation where everyone living in India with their different religions, languages, customs and practices were ‘Indian’; Jinnah only defined the nation in religious terms. Still, there was no real and deep definition of what a ‘nation’ meant in this vast subcontinent. Here, Savarkar opined that the people who were ‘Indian’ were those who “live as children of a common motherland, adoring a common holyland”. So if you called India ‘home’, you might be of whatever religion, race or caste but you were ‘Indian.’ An atheist, Savarkar was careful not to give a purely religious colour to his articulation of nationhood. He further argued that according to his homeland theory, Hindus, Jains, Buddhists and Sikhs were ‘Indian’, while Muslims and Christians were non-Indian, as both looked to foreign lands as their spiritual homes — they had a very tenuous connection with India as the ‘motherland.’ Savarkar reinterpreted being ‘Hindu’ in cultural and political terms, not religious ones, and so ‘Indians’ were also ‘Hindus’.
Obviously, this theory has a number of problems with it but what it does highlight is the complication of understanding modern nationalism in the Indian context. When Savarkar was writing, India had been consolidated from Kashmir to Kerala for the first time and was going to emerge as a nation-state. Just as ultranationalism was used to consolidate Germany, Italy and France, Savarkar wanted to use it to consolidate India. And, quite naturally, since the Indian independence movement was anti-British, the ‘anti-outsider’ element was critical in his argument. Gandhi and Nehru brought disparate parts of India together against the ‘outsider’, the British, and so consolidated this unwieldy subcontinent. Savarkar was just taking it to its logical conclusion of excluding all ‘non-Indians’ from the country.
Pakistan is also facing the same confusion of who is a ‘Pakistani’. The question, even today, for Pakistan remains whether Pakistan should formulate a composite or essentialist nationalism. Just like Savarkar, we have followed an essentialist definition and have made Pakistan an ‘Islamic country’ rather than the ‘homeland for Muslims’ (and also others), as argued by Jinnah and the Muslim League. Therefore, whoever does not believe in the ‘Islamic’ vision of the country is not treated like a Pakistani. And then, obviously, this ‘Islamic’ definition excludes certain views. Thus, with time, the vision has become even more limited, with various interpretations of Islam constantly being charged of being not ‘really’ Islamic.
From a certain vantage point, the ideas of Savarkar and, by extension, Bal Thackeray’s, are not that different from what we in Pakistan believe. That is why the lack of understanding of their viewpoint and the vitriol against them in the Pakistani press is rather amusing. In some ways, Bal Thackeray is the mirror image of what our state, and let us accept it, most of us, have been advocating and believing in since the inception of the country.
In the end, I want to point out the very obvious. If we carry on being the Muslim version (and that, too, of a certain kind) of Savarkar and Thackeray, Pakistan will remain mired in an existential and practical crisis. Unless we leave the essentialist and exclusionary ways of Savarkar and Thackeray and develop a composite nationalism, we will remain in the vicious circle of religious, ethnic and class tensions and warfare. It is time we also bury our Bal Thackeray.
Published in The Express Tribune, December 4th, 2012.
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Even a dead Indian (Bala Saheb) can make a Pakistani think..but so many alive and kicking Khans can't..haha
If we burry our own Thackeray, shouldn’t this follow we also reviving our Gandhi/Nehru??
@wonderer: I see your posts, so ofcourse I know you have internet access. Sorry if you thought my surpsie at your conversation was because I din't think you had a phone. Clearly that was not what I meant. I had assumed you lived in Pakistan and hence was surprised that you had Indian friends - just the logistics of that surprised me. It also did not cross my mind to question your honesty. That was not intended. I was just curious since we have exchanged many posts on this board.
Sorry though for an unintentional offense.
@wonderer
....they didn't mean disrespect.'
It's o.k. I appreciate.
@Rajeev Nidumolu: . You are among the few who has a clear understanding of the real world are not tempted get involved in meaningless bickering just to score a point. It is our own lack of curiosity that we go for simple answer assuming that there are monolithic masses of population inhabiting other countries. Most countries have diverse ethnicity, religion and even multilingual to some extent, officially how2ever they are supposed to use one national language.
Practically all the international borders have changed throughout the history of nations.
Lets approach others without pre-concieved notions about them..
@Gaurav: Attaullah Bukhari: Orthodox Islamic cleric. indifferent to Hindues, hated the Muslim League anti partition, virulently anti Ahmadi Abu Ala Maududdi: Radical Islamist, hated the Muslim League, indifferent to Hindus anti partition Maulana Usmani: Orthodox Islamic cleric (deobandi) strong supporter of the Congress party anti Muslim League, anti partition And the list goes on....
Deat Yaqoob,
Fantastic articulation!!! No one has ever explained Savarkar to me in such simple terms. As far as Thackeray goes, just like in your country, he too was a realization of the governing class, who turned a blind eye to many of his exploits undertaken under the garb of nationalism...and then feigned helplessness to stop when the cult grew out of their control!!! Hope they bell the cat this time around with his nephew, or else the same story would repeat....with more dangerous consequences!!! And hope your gevernment finds the balls of steel needed to do the same in your country as well!!!
@Linchpin This is realy a great question!!!! This is question for which the answer is Time Immemorial.
If you asked, Hindus, they will give alteast three epics to read and understand.
If you asked Nehru, he might say read Discovery of India.
Dr. Kalam said, India its culture, food, customs change every 200kms of its border, but still you see Indianess.
Great Question, Difficult to answer in limited space. To put it simply, India is Diversity of culture/religion/customs all living in harmony.
I agree mostly with the author Bal Thackrey, There are many things you can easily disagree with him. There are many things which you cannot but have to agree with him.
Hating Muslims, Even though I don't support him on this, I don't believe he hated muslims truly. It was more like hating people who do not love Hindus/Indians. If you check his list of friends and supporters, you will not find that he is NOT A BLIND HATER.
Hating Non-Marthis,
If you count this characterstic, you will find atleast one person like this in each state of India, This does not mean I support him for that too. This behaviour is more out of regional imbalance of his people vs the other state people for pure livelyhood. This exists in all states, If you check out many MPs of our country do not speak in Hindi in parliament. Many leaders are against this charactersitc, but this does not mean they welcome other state citizens in there constitutency to earn livelyhood and live,
Also you should note that India was land of few oppourtunities and fewer Govt. support for its citizens, this was the time when a simple cartoonist found his voice was more touching to the locals than others.
If there were laws and there was maturity to treat all equal, I don't think Bal thackrey would have entered politics, he would be in league with R K Laxman.
As for Pakistan, If you had person like Bal Thackrey in Pakistan, you would not have been partitioned in 1971 in first case. And the rest would have fallen in place.
hey Yaqoob kid,I agree with what you say "Time we bury our own Thackeray"...but the problem is hes your,and every other liberal fascists blue eyed boy,plus a British Citizen...Pakilands very own Thackery doppelganger,Altaf Hussain...
@Linchpin: These are rather deep questions, but I suspect that my shallow answers will have to do. Simply put, Indians are citizens of the Republic of India. The eighth schedule to the constitution defines 22 languages, which include Hindi and does not include English. Hindi and English also serve as official languages of the union in that they can be used for inter-state communication and discussion in parliament - clearly a necessity in our country. The culture of India is unity in diversity, celebrated in all its vivid colors and melodies. Although Hindu majority, the India has no state religion - but the Indian constitution can be considered akin to a sacred book whose laws our government seeks to uphold; we do not find it sacrilegious to update this scripture to be relevant with the times.
@Linchpin You can get the details on indian government's site about citizenship criteria.
Who is Pakistan's Bal Thackeray? There are hundreds roaming your streets and praying 5 times a day to your God. Are you scared to name him or them, lest you get polished off?
@MSS: Yes TALIBAN , from being Talib-e-ilm they have now morphed into "Talib-e-blood of innocent citizens "
For such pursuits one needs no education.
@gp65:
Sorry Madam, my detailed reply to you has not gone through the moderators. It has happened before as well. I hope this will.
Whatever I have told you so far is the truth; may be not the whole truth. I do not live in the village I come from. I do have many Indian friends; and a telephone and internet.
(Moderators: Please permit this as a special case. Thanks!)
@Linchpin:
Indian is a person who is born in geographic confines of India or has adopted Indian nationality or has ancestral origin from India He can belong to any racial, ethnic ,linguistic , religious group.Only common ideology binding the nation is that we have to respect diversity, democracy, rule of law and live in peace with your fellow citizens who may not belong to your community or share your ideology. This is an ideal Indians have to strive and share to keep the diverse nation together . Despite the failures and setbacks this what Indian polity ultimately aims at
@Boby: Right. But here we are to use the word buried as it shows elimination of certain things/factors.
@Cynical:
Please believe me Sir, I do respect the author, but have no control over Indians.
May be, I did not accurately translate what the Indian friend said to me in Urdu, but I am sure he meant no disrespect.
@BlackJack: So who is an Indian and who is not an Indian? What what is the language of India? What is the culture of India? What is the religion of India?
Note: Bal Thackery was burned not burried. Just a clarification :)
@Bangash
Great piece, Sir.Incisive and great articulation.
@wonderer
'Even a dead Indian can make a Pakistani think?' That's like hitting below the belt. Though I notice you professed your respect for the author.
@wonderer: "but I cannot resist the temptation of telling what an Indian friend told me over the phone today."
I thought you lived in Pakistan near Islamabad somewhere? I am very pleasantly surprised that you actually have phone conversations with Indian friends. How did you even end up having an Indian friend - after all visas are so difficult these days to each others' countries. Is this a friend from pre-partition days?
I don't know people in India that have phone conversations with Pakistani friends - those with relatives in Pakistan is a different story. OF course those of us who live abroad regularly interact with Pakistanis.
@Author is Right:
With due respect please use the 'we' carefully and second, please research the term ultra-nationalist as well.
I have great respect for the writer, but I cannot resist the temptation of telling what an Indian friend told me over the phone today.
Even a dead Indian can make a Pakistani think?
The writer has some points . We ,Indians are ultra nationalists and keep motherland above everything .We only know India as both physical and spiritual home .We don't need any other spiritual homeland as we have indigenous religions starting from Hindusim to Buddhisim. We love Sabarkar and Bhagat Singh and their legacies.I congratulate author for his clear understanding about Veer Savarkar , but I couldn't understand his bracketing of Balasaheb and Savarkar . Savarkar had jumped from bathroom of ship into the sea for his motherland , Balasaheb didn't do that much.Apart from Savarkar , Bhagat singh , sukhdev singh and Subhas Bose were also hardcore nationalist , not opportunist.
If only you could bury what you want to. Your comparison is a long stretch. Bal Thackeray never gained traction across the Indian polity for any appreciable time. His dreams - if he had any, of Hidutva were long banished and rejected by Hindus long before his death. However, In Pakistan exclusion of non-Muslims is supported by the muslim masses, celebrated by the jihadi outfits and rewarded by law. The feeling and belief of being a "special and superior" people runs deep into the ethos and religious outlook of the people. That is why you cannot bury that does not want to be buried - unless - there is fundamental introspection and courage to reform. And who might give birth to that?
Last, I am assuming you have documented evidence in the legal public domain in India to associate Bal Thackeray with criminals. Please cite it.
Veer Savarkar , Hindu nationalist, anti British Jinnah Nationalist but fearful of Hindu domination, not Hindus Nehru , Secular, but favored Partition Gandhi Secular anti-Partition, believed in Hindu Muslim unity
Thackeray , Hindu extremist, lacking trust in Muslims, hatred for Pakistan, reactive politics Hafeez, Muslim extremist ,intolerant of Hindus, active in anti-India activities (Mumbai attacks)
All are different.
... Baal Thackeray ... the 'champion of Maratha' could not have been too proud of his own ancestry as he anglicised his own name to Thackeray from simple Thakre ...
... anyhow, he was not buried ... but, cremated ...
Author Time we burry our own Thackeray OR- Time should burry our own Thackerya.? My observation is this nation has left things on time so let us beg on time to do it soon.
A well-nuanced and insightful analogy. While there may be minor details one might not entirely agree on, the author does far better than most other Pakistani commentators in deconstructing the ideas of hindutva, thackeray, and the likes. Great read!
I am pleasantly surprised to read about Author's(a Pakistani's) correct understanding of Savarkar and his philosophy of nationalism. But, I totally disagree with your bracketing Svarkar and Bal Thakre together. There can be no comparison between the two. Thakre was a local or even a city phenomenon who was a byproduct of India's distorted secularism. Whereas, Savarkar was a great patriot with a clear vision for his country. Savarkar was an atheist and so was Jinnah, but, the similarities end there. Jinnah at best was a confused politician who willingly or unwillingly ended up advocating a separate country solely based on religion which was against to the very convictions, philosophy and lifestyle that he spent his life with. Only at the end, when the sun was already setting on his life, Jinnah decided to negate his lifetime beliefs that he held dearly all along and created Pakistan. That's why even for a modern day Pakistan, a national identity still remains a mirage.
"Thackeray was also connected to various underworld gangs with competencies in extortion, killings and general terror" Sorry to say that: Can writer give any proof of this statement? Don't you guys have any shame to speak & write lies. This is the reason what Pakistan today is.
Congratulations, Mr Bangash. You wrote the best evaluation of the man I have read in Pakistani press.
This despite the fact that I admire the man for many things - primarily because I put myself in my Marathi brothers and sisters' shoes and then see that Bal Thakre was not the world's most evil man that some Pakistanis in Pakistan and India portray him to be.
Also, please. for the good of Pakistan itself, educate other members of your trade in Pakistan that common criminals and gang members wanted by Indian police for their crimes of violence and murders are not Pakistani or Islamic heroes, and that Muslims in India do not survive thanks to these criminals. That mindset among some of Pakistan's educated does more harm to Pakistan than it does to India.
A good piece. The last para is interesting . Now some reality -who is going to bell the cat Inaptly named 'Taliban (though most of them are illiterate).
"While people like Jawaharlal Nehru and Mahatma Gandhi were arguing for a composite nation where everyone living in India with their different religions, languages, customs and practices were ‘Indian’; Jinnah only defined the nation in religious terms."
Herein lies the tragic conundrum of South Asia!
Great Article.
Author is absolutely right. Bal Thackarey is all about a fascist ideology, that found some traction in Maharashtra.
Difference between India and Pakistan is indeed the extent of purchase such fascist idea has had. It is the open acknowledgement of diversity, and preservation of such diversity in India, that has guarded against growth of fascism.
Pakistan adopted a religious identity, that allowed unification of all under that identity. Fascism grows much more easily in such an environment.
Hope India never ever falls for such ideology. Only outcome of it is - destruction.
Weird.
Bal Thackeray did NO harm to India, agreed that he was quite vocal about Pakistan. Whereas in today's Pakistan, people are killing each other (irrespective of any religion).
How does that analogy fit in?
Even if it does, why does the author have to choose India as a prism to look at the sociopolitical situation in Pakistan?
P.S --> If Pakistan had a Bal Thakereray equivalent (much better than the thugs it currently has in abundance) , then it would have been progressing.................#just saying
Amazing.I salute you for your thinking,Sir.
"The world is a Dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who do not do anything about it."
Albert Einstein
Thoughtful.
@Usman Afzal Ch: "Bal Thackeray was buried but did not die actuall"
Hindus get cremated not buried unless they are unfortunate enough to live in D I Khan, Pakistan. Then they have to be buried in on-compliance with what their religion asks. http://tribune.com.pk/story/472486/in-di-khan-hindus-forced-to-bury-their-dead/
You are not widely off the mark on Savarkar. Hindutva opines that there is a certain state of mind and thinking that characterizes Hindu-ness or Indian-ness; clearly his ultra-nationalist theory had more takers among Pakistanis than Indians; after all, the 2-nation theory says that a Malayali muslim who knows not a word of Urdu and a Kashmiri muslim who knows not much else, are part of the same nation, and their Hindu neighbors in Kerala and Kashmir are a different (but single) nation as well - otherwise it should have been called 23-nation theory or 562-nation theory etc depending on how you want to cut the demographics. Hinging this entire piece on Bal Thackeray was a bit silly - he may have been called Hindu hriday samrat by some people (no doubt Shiv Sainiks themselves), but his Marathi manoos and Savarkar's uber-nationalist Hindu are fundamentally different platforms.
Superb OMG. So well thought and articulately written. Great piece.
" It is time we also bury our Bal Thackeray." Bal Thackeray was buried but did not die actually. It will take time and same case will be here in Pakistan.