Punjab govt goes after Hindu mythology cartoons

Published: September 7, 2010
“Amar Chitra Katha” was a Hindu mythology series that aired on a foreign television channel. PHOTO: PUBLICITY

“Amar Chitra Katha” was a Hindu mythology series that aired on a foreign television channel. PHOTO: PUBLICITY

LAHORE: The Punjab government has formed a committee which will present a report on the airing of cartoons depicting Hindu mythology and if they can be banned in Pakistan.

The committee is headed by Punjab government spokesman Senator Pervaiz Rasheed and comprises Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz) Cultural Wing President and MPA, Farah Deeba, MPA Khawaja Imran Nazir and other officials.

Even though Indian TV channels are currently off-air in Pakistan, several cable operators are broadcasting Indian content to meet the demands of their clientele.

A meeting of the committee was held in Lahore, which discussed ways to get these cartoons banned in Pakistan.

Deeba, who attended the meeting, told The Express Tribune that participants had discussed “cartoons which glorified mythology characters such as Hanuman had a bad impact on the minds of the young children.

She said that “these cartoons were in contradiction with the teachings of Islam and young kids could not differentiate between what’s true and what’s not so these should be banned.”

Deeba said that the meeting was attended by bureaucrats and the information, culture and youth affairs department secretary was also present.

However, banning Indian cartoons is not in the Punjab government’s control. According to Deeba, “We have taken our notes but cannot ban these cartoons on our own as this is a federal subject. We will however approach the Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority through the federal government to seek a ban on such cartoons,” she said.

According to the 1998 census, 1.6 per cent of Pakistan’s population is Hindu.

Eminent artist and former principal of Lahore’s National College of Arts Salima Hashmi questioned the decision to form a committee for this purpose.

“Why doesn’t the government make a committee to know the root cause of militancy and why doesn’t it set up committees to find reasons of young children becoming suicide attackers?” she questioned.

Hashmi said that in India the number of Muslims was greater than the number of Muslims in Pakistan, so if Muslim children in India were not affected by mythology cartoons, why would children in Pakistan be affected? Hashmi told The Express Tribune, “Isn’t there anything constructive that they can work on? Why waste time on setting up such committees and inquiring into such matters which are not pertinent in the current situation?”

Published in The Express Tribune, September 7th, 2010.

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Reader Comments (152)

  • Isfand
    Sep 7, 2010 - 1:38AM

    Where is freedom of religion?Where is the concept of secularism?
    Where are the rights of the hindu pakistani?Dont we need more religous tolerance in Pakistan?Shamefull decision……….Recommend

  • AA
    Sep 7, 2010 - 2:04AM

    You worried about bad impact on the minds of children? Look after your society and the symbols of your own corrupt myths you are projecting.Recommend

  • Ghausia
    Sep 7, 2010 - 2:28AM

    This is a real difficult one from me. On the other hand, I’m pretty irreligious myself and believe Jinnah’s vision was for a secular Pakistan. On the other, I hate the fact that my nephew is watching a cartoon with Krishna and Radha in it. Oh wait, how about this, why not remove these cartoons from Cartoon Network and the like, BUT create a separate Hindu oriented channel for our Hindu minority? That’s not against the principles of freedom of religion is it?Recommend

  • Ahmad
    Sep 7, 2010 - 2:39AM

    I totally agree with Isfand.Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Sep 7, 2010 - 3:01AM

    SHAMEFUL decision……
    its against fundamental right…
    extremely disappointed by ths act by govt…Recommend

  • Tippu
    Sep 7, 2010 - 3:01AM

    Arn’t all religious cartoons banned in pakistan? Wasnt that what all the hoopla was about?
    Why air hindu cartoons while banning islamic ones??? I say ban all religious catroons. However, do allow hindu religious programs if thats what the hindu in pakistan community desires.Recommend

  • vaahed
    Sep 7, 2010 - 3:14AM

    I support this action..Pakistan is an islamic country and Jinnah formed it to have a seperate nation for muslims and islam..If pakistan wants to have a secular society then why form a separate nation for muslims..We should respect our founding fathers and please please follow the path of Islam in your everyday life.Recommend

  • Angelos
    Sep 7, 2010 - 4:02AM


    Did Prophet PBUH or 4 Caliphs implemented secularism during his time?Recommend

  • ALi
    Sep 7, 2010 - 4:11AM

    This is ridiculous, you fascists.Recommend

  • nasir
    Sep 7, 2010 - 4:11AM

    It is true that there is a Hindu minority in Pakistan and one could argue that what if they were watching these shows? First of all we need to stop thinking of “Hindu” as India and “Muslim” as Pakistan. All Content from India should be banned in Pakistan not because it is “Hindu” in content but rather because it is from India. As for doing something for the minorities, rather than showing religious cartoons from India, the govt can work on creating shows for the minority itself.

    Also, we speak of secularism and religious freedom in Pakistan and make comparisons with India. Funny thing because India doesnt even let Pakistani content be aired and what exactly is aired for Muslim people in India? Do they have religious shows for Muslims in India during Ramadan? Can they show the Azaan on certain channels for Muslims? No right? Then stop expecting everything from Pakistan.Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Sep 7, 2010 - 4:17AM

    The islamic republic of pakistan has every right 2 ban what ever pleases them to. it is a nation just like every other nations,jus like the westerners issue of banning islamic dresses.its never been between christians and muslims its just that,the westerners can’t accept the islamic dresses,where as in asia its between islam and the buddah so why it shudnt be bannd in pakistan.nobody cud intervene to stop france from abandon in the scarf so why does it hurt when muslim nations do it. Recommend

  • Ali
    Sep 7, 2010 - 4:50AM

    Thats really sad. They should embrace it, in Pakistan we have alot of history we should embrace it. And the government should worry about bigger things than forming comitees for moral policing. Recommend

  • Qirat
    Sep 7, 2010 - 4:55AM

    In Pakistan, which is a fortress of Islam, why is Islam so fragile?Recommend

  • Sep 7, 2010 - 5:43AM

    Oh dear! How weak their faith must be if they think they must ban a couple of cartoons in case we in Pakistan revert to being Hindus… then again maybe our faith is strong enough and those who wish to ban are the ones whose faith wavers…Recommend

  • liberal
    Sep 7, 2010 - 7:27AM

    This is where comes the question of the state and the church. Interference of church in the affairs of the state has been the fundamental issue for administration, not only in a theocratic but any form of government. It is very harmful for a progressive society.

    Even if certain things go against the fundamental beliefs and morality of a society, it is for the religious leaders to address such problems, not through constitutional provisions but through public discourse of a healthy nature. It is an ongoing process for religious institutions. To err is human. Human society would do many things which goes against the tenets of a religion. But unfortunately, religious leaders try to take a short cut and coerce the state to enact legislations instead. BUT MORALITY CAN NOT BE LEGISLATED. Morality needs to be propagated through a continuous process of religious discourse.

    However, as given in the last para of the article above, there are more Muslims in India than in Pakistan. All the works of arts, music and literature has a great imprint and contribution of Muslims in India. Who knows how many Muslims or non-Hindus might have contributed to create any great work of art, music or literature, including great epics like Ramayana and Mahabharata on TV. If I am not mistaken, the dialog of Mahabharata were written by Dr.Rahi Masoom Raza.Recommend

  • khuram khokhar
    Sep 7, 2010 - 7:39AM

    well. I think this is the first step of govt to the right direction. The opponents must understand that we can not afford this sort of things in society which are hollowing the ideological foundations of our society becz ,blv me, these characters r leaving sever impact upon the minds of children. Infact, the indian shwbz industry is deliberately using dz characters to promote their culture and ideology bcz with d hlp of satlit channels indians have surrptiously broken into our homes and propogating their views without any impediments. So govt must take strict action against it but also take measures to develope such programe which cld highlight our own culture and prestigious history.Recommend

  • Amira
    Sep 7, 2010 - 8:48AM

    Shameful, sectarian and bigoted! A characteristic now becoming the hallmark of our country. Hanuman is mythology. And, it is our mythology too. (Remember our ancestors were once Hindus and co-created this mythology.) You don’t see Greeks ditch their mythology because they are now Christian.


  • qudrat ullah
    Sep 7, 2010 - 9:37AM

    i fully welcome the step taken by the Punjab Government and demand that our innocent children be saved from the onslaught of Indianisation of media. It seems that India has plenty of sympathesisers in Pakistan who keep on promoting Indian agenda in garb of freedom of media. If anybody is interested to see Indian carttons then he/she should migrate to India and enjoy indianised life there. we the majority of Pakistan are not interesetd to watch indian culture. Any Indian hegemony of media in garb of media freedom is unacceptable to majority of Pakistanis who want to live according to islam and want to save their children from Hindunised media. I wish pro-Indian lobby should also send their children to India so they could enjoy fully Hindu environment. Recommend

  • Eternal
    Sep 7, 2010 - 9:56AM

    When the young impressionable milds go on mission to blow up mosques, religious processions and innocent people, they are not inspired by the hindu mythology cartoons. They are inspired by the corrupted Bin Laden version of Islam. Unfortunately, government seems to have misplaced its attention for cheap political gains. If they win, they will put one more question mark on creditability of Pakistan and for that matter, Islam.Recommend

  • Babar
    Sep 7, 2010 - 10:07AM

    Many in Pakistan believe that Saudi way of life is the only Islamic way and hence they seek adoption of Saudi culture as a mean to make Pakistan more Islamic. For these folks banning Indian channels and cartoons is part of this scheme. Recommend

  • Patriot
    Sep 7, 2010 - 10:41AM

    Come on guys…what else do you expect from this fundamentalist government in Punjab. These are the same people who banned Junoon as they were “corrupting youth of the time”. I am afraid this time with Rana Sanaullah in their ranks, they will come with stronger views with a never ending list of banned “youth corrupting” deeds Recommend

  • Sep 7, 2010 - 11:16AM

    ‘Pakistan ka Khuda Hafiz’ ……. this does not mean that i am negative minded person in fact everyone take this positively & as a prayer from my side on all issues …..Recommend

  • Sep 7, 2010 - 12:28PM

    I have an idea. put the hindu cartoons right in between spongebob and South Park. It’ll lose whatever religious significance we have. Recommend

  • Sep 7, 2010 - 12:50PM

    we have fools sitting in the governments.. federal and provincial…. this is how they are wasting OUR money, instead of putting in an honest day’s work…. legislate! Recommend

  • saad
    Sep 7, 2010 - 12:50PM

    leave alone those mythological figures the cartoon shows which children watch are replete with violence. why don’t muslim children in india get affected by those mythological characters?? and yes pakistani children are getting affected with the kind of leadership we have that the daily statements and views of scheming politicians etc have a bad impact on the young minds that they don’t know what truth is?? anyone living the way we live – infested with dirt and filth and open manholes and unhygienic conditions can never be sensitive (to some myths). those wasting time on issues such as what to ban or not are an insidious breed of ostriches who just don’t want to discuss or want to provide education and regular supply of water. yeah water! which this paak aur saaf country doesn’t have at times in masaajid for wazu!! and how about raising a voice against cartoons of our beloved prophet (peace be upon him) easily available on search engines? Recommend

  • R. Husain
    Sep 7, 2010 - 1:03PM

    I would like to see what the Punjab government has to say the day the Indian government bans all Islamic stuff from their media / education.Recommend

  • RealityCheck
    Sep 7, 2010 - 1:11PM

    There is a division in every Pakistan mind. One part wants to accept the Saudi version of Islam and the other part wants to celebrate culture, colors, music and diversity. The first part is shaped up by puritan stand on religion and the other part is shaped up by their Indian origins. The first part makes them hate everything which comes from India and the other part makes them love Indian songs, movies, television etc. The Pakistani mind will have to accept that Islam and their Indian roots can peacefully coexist.Recommend

  • Talha
    Sep 7, 2010 - 1:29PM

    Another irrelevant matter that is being given attention while the more serious issues are overlooked. I watched many of these cartoons in the 90’s, they did not have any impact on me apart from providing some info on their belief.

    Btw Pakistan was made as a nation for Muslims, not on Islamic laws. Jinnah made that very clear.Recommend

  • humayunm
    Sep 7, 2010 - 2:09PM

    Omg… Firstly, these cartoons are NOT aired on any Pakistani channel, but are aired on an Indian channel. That’s like Finland banning uncle sargam on PTV. Doesn’t make any sense. If people have such problem with watching this or letting their kids watch it (while turning them into religious zombies in the process) – there’s always the option of… lets see.. NOT WATCHING it!
    Talk about smothering out diversity.Recommend

  • Ahmed Talha
    Sep 7, 2010 - 2:48PM

    Confused self-contradictory, self righteous Idoits!!! goes to show that if the inhabitants of ISLAMIC republic & its TRUE Momins wud have strong basis as they claim, then this wudnt have been the case of debate.
    Why,.doesnt a thing called ‘parental control’ exist???? or the MUSLIMS parents are so dumb that they themselves cant differente right from wrong for their kids!!
    Changing the govt or it heads alone will not put morals in the brains of people, what are the PREACHERS of FAITH doing?? Instead of instilling morals they are too busy into proclaiming other muslims as a kafir & into killing the proclaimed ‘kafirs’ on the streets across the country.
    Why is the collective psyche of our nation so weak that it is scared of few cartoons out of the million plus to chose from???
    Before someone out of you continues further with their verbal diarrhea, try to think upon the option of switching the channel!! pathetic lot!!Recommend

  • Sakina
    Sep 7, 2010 - 3:14PM

    Righttt… Ban everything that is not our culture, kill everyone who is not a Muslim and exile every foreigner from Pakistann… and live the secluded life that we always wanted! What a decision.. no tolerance of any kind… :SRecommend

  • Adnan Tariq
    Sep 7, 2010 - 3:14PM

    I support the decision……………. the children who watch this stuff are too young to differentiate between right and wrong.. and so, we have to make the choices for them…….. if tomorrow ur child watches porn, would u stop him or lecture yourself about the freedom of mediaRecommend

  • ArifQ
    Sep 7, 2010 - 5:16PM

    I am not surprised by Punjab Governments move against Hindu mythology cartoons. Punjab Government is soft on militants and their supporters, this is an attempt appease their vote bank. General Zia dark shadows are the main reason for this regressive mindset, afterall current crop of PML-N leadership was hand picked by the dictator and they all owe their allegience to Zia’s program. Recommend

  • inayat
    Sep 7, 2010 - 5:39PM

    First let me clarify as many comments and article refer to the word “cartoon”. I assume it is not intentional. The correct word for what you are reffering to is “Animation”

    A cartoon is something for kids (Tom and Jerry, Mickey etc), Animation is not necessarily for kids. I would request the use of term Animation as this article refers to Hindu Animiations not Cartoons.Recommend

  • Sep 7, 2010 - 5:51PM

    When a bomb explods in the street all are crying here in a panic mood with a dipressive mind and helples wondering around to find a solution but not get any thing. Here is one thing from a lot of others by reading this news column, an example of religious intolerance. One cant look beyond the boundry wich is lined by injected religious fundundementalism.A sosciety focusing or analysing every thing though a mirror of particular theology more than that of humanistic values sorry i cannot write more if it may hurt……….Recommend

    Sep 7, 2010 - 5:54PM

    its strange that the leaders belonging to a religion which boasts of second highest no. of followers in the world is scared of just innocent mythological cartoons..lolz…what sort of faith do they have….and these cartoons are far better than those western cartoons which have only violence to offer in the name of entertainment …i think pakistan and cartoons are incompatible…..in india iam yet to see a case where some one was so inspired by these cartoons to have left his faith to join hinduism…try to prevent your kids from hatred,either for fellow citizens of other sects ,or citizens of other countries.suicide bombers are certainly more dangerous than cartoons.Recommend

  • AA
    Sep 7, 2010 - 7:04PM

    @qudrat ullah, you said: we the majority of Pakistan are not interesetd

    Please speak for yourself, do not indulge majority when you don’t even know.Recommend

  • AA
    Sep 7, 2010 - 7:08PM

    @khuram khokhar, you said: but also take measures to develope such programe which cld highlight our own culture and prestigious history.

    You are talking about two different things. Government creating their own programs for the prestigious history is one thing, but banning something else is another. Do not confuse the two. It is better if government creates program, it is never better when the government bans.Recommend

  • Shahid Saeed
    Sep 7, 2010 - 7:14PM

    Fascism !

    Firstly, cartoons aren’t teaching bigotry. They’d be teaching bigotry if
    they show murder of muslims or any other such thing. I don’t see how
    they teach anything other than mythology combined with the virtues
    …associated with those stories.

    Secondly, and more importantly, banning is always despotic and fascist.
    It is knee-jerk reactionary, serves no positive purpose and is merely
    controlling the lives of people.

    Why shouldn’t parents be the ones who control what cartoons children are
    seeing? Are they too damn lazy to check what their children are seeing?
    Or are they incompetent, unworthy and uninterested to check what their
    kids are upto? Or are that kids of this age sneaking around to watch
    these cartoons surprising their parents? It is not the state’s job to
    determine what you see on television. Parents should act as the censors
    in this regard, not the state.

    Create your own rival series so that people can listen to your own
    fiction and hagiography. Until then, let parents do what they are
    supposed to do. State should not intervene in these matters. Punjab govt has too much time on its hands making committees for every useless thing.

    I have no qualms (frankly have some qualms) with parents controlling
    what their kids watch and perfectly fine if they choose to restrict
    their kids from watching Hindu mythology cartoons.

    I cannot in any way support state taking action in this regard. It is
    not the state’s job nor its purview. This is infiltration in the lives
    of citizens. This is despotic and fascist and not different from banning
    books that are rival to state sponsored ideology or popular citizen
    views. Controlling mass media and literature is fascist.Recommend

  • Nitesh Jain
    Sep 7, 2010 - 7:20PM

    read the comments and found them nice.

    just to set the record straight i would like to inform that in India Islamic Channels are aired freely without any objection from the government.

    By islamic i mean religious chanels and not pakistani news channels.Although they enjoy popularity in their target audience only.

    and by the way i dont care a damn wether pak bans them or airs them.Recommend

  • Ghausia
    Sep 7, 2010 - 7:25PM

    I have an idea. put the hindu cartoons right in between spongebob and South Park. It’ll lose whatever religious significance we have.


  • Pakistani Musalmaan Bacha
    Sep 7, 2010 - 7:31PM

    Please, please, please, ban Spongebob Squarepants too! It is confusing me and corrupting me because I have a small brain (even though I’m lightyears ahead of my parents and their generation intellectually, can assemble, install and operate a computer by myself) and I can’t differentiate between the real life and something thats make-believe on TV. Please, please, please you smart grown up people I want to live in a strict, non-secural, Muslim country based on the Islamic so that I’m not corrupted by Indian culture because I don’t have a culture of my own, kind of like Saudi Arabia (where for some reason they dont ban this cartoon..)
    My faith in Allah is being destroyed! Spongebob is telling me to live in a pineapple under the sea! I’m so lost and scared…

    Pakistani Musalmaan Bacha Recommend

  • owaise Saadat
    Sep 7, 2010 - 7:37PM

    Its really ludicrous this attempt at censorship, but at least job has been entrusted to the right people: Only cartoon characters can recognize their near relatives.**Recommend

  • AA
    Sep 7, 2010 - 7:58PM

    @Pakistani Musalmaan Bacha, lol, you cracked me up. I agree, Spongebob is evil, he should be banned!!!! That sidekick of him, Patrick, he’s naked all the time, if he’s not corrupting children with his mind (which is full with you know what) than, he is corrupting with his body. LOLRecommend

  • AA
    Sep 7, 2010 - 8:07PM

    @LALIT, Pakistanis have abandoned and have banned the arts and culture from their life. You see why we are so hardened from inside and violent from outside? It is because we think arts and culture (add music too) corrupts the mind. What we don’t realize is that banning these things is exactly the cause of all these troubles we find ourselves in. Islam is not against arts and culture but it is our corrupt interpretation of it that has caused us to abandon the fundamentals. The notion of rehma, mercy, is achieved through the beautiful/positive interpretation of faith and not the negative one.

    Indians are somewhat lucky because their interpretation of faith enhances the arts and culture, otherwise they are not too far from corruption. Instead of government of Pakistan spending their time and energy on banning such programs, it would be wise enough if they were to enhance the arts and culture in their country. It doesn’t have to be foreign, Islamic history has plentiful examples of its own.Recommend

  • Silent Observer
    Sep 7, 2010 - 9:25PM

    This is height of stupidity by the government….Our faith is so weak that 15 min cartoons that is being aired on foreign channel will make us hindu’s.This Punjab government should ban the explicit stage shows,heera mandi and other activities which are not part of Islamic culture and pollute the mature minds of adults.The point is if adults are mentally mature our children will always be in safe hands.
    Bloody hardliners Recommend

  • Saim Butt
    Sep 7, 2010 - 9:31PM

    On the other hand the opposition leader of PML N Chaudhry Nisar seeks apology from the soul of Anti Muslim Warrior Ranjeet Singh.**Recommend

  • Silent Observer
    Sep 7, 2010 - 9:40PM

    Punjab Government should also ban angelina jolie as she can pollute the minds of flood affected people and ask them to convert to Christianity or Jewish or what ever religion she practice.They should also ban every movie of shahrukh khan because his movie “My Name is Khan” taught us Tolerance……A necessary fundamental of ISLAM.This committee should get a life and they should find the reason why teenagers are blowing themselves up??? Recommend

  • Talha
    Sep 7, 2010 - 9:54PM

    Like Pakistani Musaalman Bacha, my ‘deen’ is being aggressively challenged. Just recently I saw Little Mermaid with her bikini top on and now I think I am atheist.

    Please help.Recommend

  • owaise Saadat
    Sep 7, 2010 - 10:23PM

    Actually, the rot set-in after 1971 when we lost our ” cultural half”. Bengali’s love for art, culture, music and dancing was what kept us in balance (in West Pakistan) but ever since we reinvented ourselves post 71″ our compass swung towards the “Bedouin culture”‘ of the Middle East.. And the results are obvious. We were brainwashed that Bengali’s are lesser Muslims than us …this is all hogwash…I visit Bangladesh each year, I socialize with Bengali’s in the USA , I was at Hajj with Bangladeshi-Americans. The majority are devoted and practicing Muslims…but they have managed to separate their mundane and spiritual lives and keep them in different compartments!!! Something which we need to learn.

  • Isfand
    Sep 7, 2010 - 11:19PM

    Whoever thinks tht this the rite decision i want tell them their is a thing called REMOTE CONTROL(check on wikipedia)……….wht does it do?Actually it can change the channel you are wacthing so you can avoid to wacth wht you dont want to wacth.Wow Amazing! Isnt it ?!!

    @Angelos The Quran says “Let there be no compulsion in religion…..”Surah 2 verse 256
    So it safeguard freedom of religion,who we are to probihit Pakistani hindus from wacthing these programes?Aint we going against the teaching of Islam?!………..

    @Ahmed thanks

    @Pakistani Musalmaan Bacha LOL LOL

    @AA lol !!

    @Sakina i completly agree with you : s

    @R. Husain nice comment,but fortunatly there it wont happen,because they understand and appreciate a thing called secularism

    @RealityCheck indeed you are right,this Wahabization of our society is only a cancer Recommend

  • Usman
    Sep 8, 2010 - 12:01AM

    @ Pakistani Musalmaan Bacha & AA. I also agree that SpongeBob should be banned for all the lewd behavior, bakwaas living under the sea mentality, and capitalism. Also, Krabby Patties (the main dish of Krusty Krab restaurant) are not made with Halal meat. Therefore, for all these reasons, SpongeBob ought to be banned as well.
    Jokes aside, if the Punjab government is so riled up about Hindu cartoons and bent on banning them, it should first consider banning Indian movies and then gory Pakistani action movies as well. Don’t they corrupt the mind of our innocent kids? Recommend

  • Sep 8, 2010 - 12:02AM

    I believe this is one the best steps taken by Punjab Government as Pakistani youth who is already no. 1 in searching porn on internet would be polluted by watching those clean yet unIslamic cartoons .

    IMHO opinion Punjab government should initiate a campaign to turn religious minorities of the province into Muslims by abolishing their worship places and religious literature.

    I also support PML N’s Chaudry Nisar’s apology to Maharaja Ranjeet Singh since Hindu mythology cartoons in long term will be too dangerous for our young minds than the historical massacre of Muslims caused Sir Ranjeet Singh in past. Recommend

  • Hassan Malik
    Sep 8, 2010 - 1:48AM

    There should be complete freedom of religion. If you do not want your young child to watch it, then try spending some personal time with him/her; instead of just throwing them in-front of the TV.
    Secondly, we should not care if other “western countries” are tolerant or not. We must set an example by being tolerant. Gandhi said, “eye for an eye makes the entire world blind”. How true!Recommend

  • Angelos
    Sep 8, 2010 - 2:12AM


    Freedom of religion is allowed in Islam but their are rules, have you cared to read them…..let me put them here for you: minorities can prcatice religion, protecting their worshipping places is the duty of the Islamic state but they cannot PREACH religion. There is a whole lot different b/w tolerance and principles.

    This matter is is completely different then ridiculous arguments of changing channels, etc etc. If these cartoons in any way related to promoting their RELIGION then they are not allowed period.

    And no place for SECULARISM in ISLAM…………if you think it has then please bring any ayaat or Hadith which shows that Quran or Prophet taught us secualrism then I will accept tnat secularism is the solution.

    These links mite help in showing that they are promoting their religious history through it

    And even creator created this series with the aim of teaching Indian children their cultural heritage….Recommend

  • rk
    Sep 8, 2010 - 2:13AM

    no matter whatever it is, what actually GOVT has done lately ( or till now ) for people of our PAKISTAN? ab yeh naya drama because they don’t have anything to do ?
    all big fat sitting on sofa under big air ac?
    ak them how currupt they are? how good they are and they talking about something going to effect children? LOL totally funny…..Recommend

  • Talha
    Sep 8, 2010 - 2:47AM

    Please tell Punjab Gov to ban Lashkar-eJhangvi first, then we will discuss the rest.Recommend

  • Sep 8, 2010 - 2:56AM

    And looking at those lynching videos are so healthy for kids.Recommend

  • AA
    Sep 8, 2010 - 3:44AM

    @Angelos, you said: but they cannot PREACH religion

    This is another one of the fallacy. On one hand, you are proposing there is freedom, but on another, you are denying it. You cannot bind tolerance and acceptance of human beings with rules and regulations. Are you saying you can be my friend but you are not allowed to come into my house because you might turn my family against me? There is no compulsion in Islam and it goes both ways.Recommend

  • Think therefore
    Sep 8, 2010 - 6:02AM

    how god fearing of our politicians to do so… while they are in this phase may i also suggest they set about doing some real social work for the sake of God… Recommend

  • confused
    Sep 8, 2010 - 8:46AM

    lol… we need to learn how to respect our cultural heritage and ancestory like Iran and Turkey. don’t be so blinded by faithRecommend

  • IZ
    Sep 8, 2010 - 9:33AM

    @Saad, I agree completely, when my child sees lynching and suicide bombing on TV and seeks to emulate this, its perfectly alright as that is a part of our culture and religion, but watching fairy tale cartoons is confusing and evil. It must be banned.

    @Angelos, you are correct, there is no mention of secularism in Quran and Hadith and therefore it has no place in our Islamic land. Also, there is no mention of TV, cars, dialysis, antibiotics, paved roads, cement, universities, the air force, the English language, or, indeed, Pakistan. All these things must be abolished immediately. Also, there is no mention of the internet, and so we are all sinners to be using it now. We must now stone ourselves to death. You first…Recommend

  • misszia
    Sep 8, 2010 - 9:37AM

    Why is Pakistan all about control? Why not allow freedom to choose? For a nation that so believes in Allah is facing such disaster? Why? Because all of Pakistan is royally screwed up for many reasons…..If you ask a Pakistan, a Mulla, Imam or who ever choses to answer this one question I have ..What is Allah?? All the interpretations, the books, the rules and misery is all tied to a messed up “idealistic” religion whom no one really knows what they are fight for anymore? People want power, people want control, people want money….all of which Pakistan lacks in every aspect. Islam is a peaceful religion, why isn’t anyone in Pakistan peaceful? Why is there constant attacks, threats, killings … all which focus on negativity. Why not focus on improving the Pakistan’s economy, mind set, roads, build a social system? Whoever is in so called power is completely powerless because to be elected is to be killed or assassinated!! Yes or Yes.
    Why not be able to teach your children about the different wonders/religions/foods/books/education/love/sex/understanding of the world…for fear that they will go somewhere else? That is living in fear and insecurity.
    Is Islam today what is used to be when it started? NO…because all the people whom originally started this are DEAD and gone. the next people then interpreted in their own way, changed a bit and so on and so on. ….. so what is really Islam about? Just like a gossip….once you begin, by the time it reaches the 10 person it really wasn’t what the original rumour that was started!!
    Let our children face other deities, other concepts, be open minded open hearted not like Pakistan which is so closed minded! Recommend

  • Asad
    Sep 8, 2010 - 9:49AM

    Looking at the comments, all is not lost in Pakistan.Recommend

  • An Indian Muslim
    Sep 8, 2010 - 1:46PM

    I hope Pakistanis realise that from a non-religious perspective i.e. viewing them as purely literary devices, these mythologies are a part of their past too. One doesn’t have to be a Hindu to marvel at achievements like Ramayana or Mahabharata, likewise one doesn’t have to be Buddhist to take pride in Buddha’s teachings as a south asian. Indeed many of the places referred to in these myths lie in modern day Pakistan. It is our shared cultural heritage.Recommend

  • sadaffayyaz
    Sep 8, 2010 - 2:06PM

    Long Live Jinnah secular pakistan…………………wasnt this his vision?Recommend

  • Sakina
    Sep 8, 2010 - 2:34PM

    @Pakistani Muslim Bacha, AA and Usman…
    Noo… why ban spongebob… no it should never happen!! :S already disney channel is banned and that was a lame idea so please.. dont even recommend it :P thanks … heheRecommend

  • Khurram Aziz Shah
    Sep 8, 2010 - 3:09PM

    Following the teachings of Islam, all the minorities are free to follow there religion. As per the cartoons, if they leave an impact on our children, they should not be allowed. It is the duty of the govt. to make Cartoon Network & alikes stop showing Hindu content as the country is an Islamic Republic. The watchdog should bring all such channels to books. Also, Cartoon Network broadcasts cartoons in Hindi here…..why is that…???Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Sep 8, 2010 - 3:11PM

    “We speak of secularism and religious freedom in Pakistan and make comparisons with India. Funny thing because India doesnt even let Pakistani content be aired and what exactly is aired for Muslim people in India? Do they have religious shows for Muslims in India during Ramadan? Can they show the Azaan on certain channels for Muslims? No right? Then stop expecting everything from Pakistan.” – I agree on that (with Nasir)Recommend

  • Anoop
    Sep 8, 2010 - 4:55PM

    Indian Muslims also watch these channels and TV shows in a greater degree. But, they practice the purest version of Islam in the world(By that I mean most tolerant version). No Indian Muslim has been linked to Al-Qaeda, for example.

    There is a saying,”“Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.”

    Also, everyone should read Amar Chitra Katha its really nice.. Its all moral stories. Pakistanis need it more than any.Recommend

  • Sep 8, 2010 - 5:06PM

    Ater go though all of the comments some one are not aware anything about india,its culture its diversity and so on. My dear pak brothers in india there has no restriction to air any thing regards religious programs based on hindu,christian,muslem. They wants to get viewers.I am a hindu born like most of others, prouded to be an indian owing our country the monuments of qutub minar, Tajmahal, ajmeer,Charminar etc.Most of our FILM superstars are musliems like Sharukh,Amirkhan,SALMANKHAN…Prime minster Manmohan singh is not from the majority hindu community. Previous first citizen of india (President) was musliem abdul kalam, present vice president of india is musliem Hamid al ansari. The ruling party head is Italian born christian Sonia gandhi.Powerful defence ministry is ruling by a christian AK Antony. Whether it is poor or rich illiterate or literate the majority of hindu community is responsible for the present secular govt.I can bet to all of my pakistan brothers, you can imagine it in your country.ARE you are the sole authorities of world islamism, The Arab creaters are not banned any books or air media based on other religions then what happen to you. Where you are now by upholdind the sole authority. Your neihbour china recently became the worlds second no economy, india reports 8.8% GDP B E THE SECOND FASTEST ECONOMY in the world all asian countries are recovering from the economic recession and there economies are on the fastest face.Think where you are.I would like to see your country become a prosperous and moderate county so can live both of us piecefully.Recommend

  • Hasan
    Sep 8, 2010 - 5:59PM

    I’m worried that we are not going far enough. What about all the rest of programmes both English and Urdu? Even our own dramas and talk shows are far from being Islamic. What with no shuttle-cock burqas and women talking to opposite sex? Let’s ban everything that Un-Islamic. Afterwards ban TV too as it is not nearly as Islamic. Problem solved, Imaan saved.Recommend

  • Hasan
    Sep 8, 2010 - 6:05PM

    It is the duty of the govt. to make
    Cartoon Network & alikes stop showing
    Hindu content as the country is an
    Islamic Republic.

    I know I know, the rest of the cartoons on Cartoon Network are pretty Islamic.

    Something tells me it’s not about Islam but rather Anti-India sentiments in (not so much) disguise.Recommend

  • Soha
    Sep 8, 2010 - 6:28PM

    Death to spongebob – that square pant wearing infidelRecommend

  • Kashif Hasan
    Sep 8, 2010 - 6:52PM

    I agree with Salima Hashimi’s view point and would like to add one thing more here that on the one hand N league Chief Nawaz Sharif suggests formation of flood relief national commission under supervision of Justice Bhaagwan Das, on behalf of his honesty while he belongs to Hindu community and on the other Hand his parties led Panjab Government wastes its time to search factor behind a cartoon regarding Hindu Mythalogy.Recommend

  • AA
    Sep 8, 2010 - 7:45PM

    There are several comments here on this topic, but how do you make sure that government is listening to you?Recommend

  • Jami
    Sep 8, 2010 - 8:12PM

    Here is another one of misteachings about Islam by our so called maulavees(they inherited Islam like monarchy). Its about time we start reading and understanding not following Islam like BHAIR CHAAL. Most of us are doing what our parents and their parents have been doing and although thats not wrong at all but to have more faith we should read and research Islam. Stopping cartoons would not help at all, with all kind of access to internet kids not now but eventually they will get to see things like that and it is even worse to suddenly open a world to some “Kuwain ka Maindak” Practice best of Islam at home and let them learn about it, dont tell your kids to lie about petty matters that you are not home because you are avoiding someone. Every small bit counts, remember you, the teachers and elders in the family are the mentors for the immature mind but let that mind develope with positivity.

    I live abroad and when I was in school in Pakistan I was fasting and most of the school kids were too and it was easy but my son who has been living here since he was 3 and this year he has been fasted whole month of Ramdhan in spite of the fact that he was the only one in his class who was not eating/drinking. He was not forced or anything by us and infact he read a lot about fasting on internet and he is very proud that he is 13 and like his pears in Pakistan he is following relegion and not only that he has been praying 5 times a day and not watching TV before Iftar.

    Now if you talk about tolerance my boss who is not muslim makes sure that no meeting is scheduled on the noons of Fridays if my presence is neccassry. Not only that if i am too busy at work he reminds me around noon that i have to go for Juma Prayers. I think that is what we have been taught by our Holy Prophet PBUH.

    Huqooq ul Ibad include all not just muslims and hurting any human being without a just cause is unforgiven unless the affected party pardons you.

    May Allah have mercy on us and guide us to be better muslims and equally better human beings, Amin.Recommend

  • Noor Lodi
    Sep 8, 2010 - 9:43PM

    Pakistan is not a islamic or a muslim country by any definition of Islam. We are bunch of crooks and thugs and we do everything that Islam asks us not to do. In fact the closest definition of Pakistanis would “Munafiqs” according to Quran.

    Pakistan reminds me of 10 Commandments. When Moses went to the mountain and he came down what had people turned to: They made a cow of gold and were worshiping it. That is exactly what we have done. Our God is Money and not the “The God” or “Allah” as we know it.

    We are bunch of arrogant people who have a “Holier then thou” attitude. We take pride in breaking laws and we kill in the name of religion. This country is rotten to core with no light at the end of tunnel. This country is finished. End is near.Recommend

  • Silent Observer
    Sep 8, 2010 - 9:45PM

    We should also ban Islamic studies in educational institute for minorities as that is also a big concern for minorities in Pakistan…I think that will level out things Recommend

  • ahmed
    Sep 8, 2010 - 9:48PM

    number of muslims in india is not greater then the number of muslims in pakistan.. i hate when this stat comes up. go people and google the numbers.. plus consider kashmir a disputed territory and number of indian muslims falls dramatically ..Recommend

  • Isfand
    Sep 8, 2010 - 10:59PM

    @Angelos You says tht “And no place for SECULARISM in ISLAM”But are sure abt this?
    We muslims are creators of the concept of secualrism.
    As the documents(today know as) ‘Mesaq-e-Medina’ mentions of complete equality for the Jews and Pagans of Medina there was no special tax or Jizya levied on them. The city-state of Medina was a federation of all the tribes residing in the Yathrib Area. Member of each tribe was to have complete rights as an equal citizen as well as obligations.The Prophet was recognized as the political leader and not a spiritual one. Allegiance of the non-Muslims was nothing more than political. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as the head of the state did not derive his authority from the fact that he was the Prophet but because he was the leader of the Majority of the people in Yathrib. Therefore there is no divine right to rule, not even for the Prophet (PBUH), as per this collection. Hence the city-state of Medina or more appropriately the Medinan Confederation of tribes, was hardly an ‘Islamic’ state. Rather it was a practical political alliance designed to fulfill the collective needs of all the people who resided in the city.
    Secular governments had existed in the Muslim world since the 10th century as the scholar Ira M. Lapidus writes in “The Separation of State and Religion in the Development of Early Islamic Society” :”Muslim states were fully differentiated political bodies without any intrinsic religious character, though they were officially loyal to Islam and committed to its defense(wars from other countries in name of religion)”
    “In the same period, religious communities developed independently of the states or empires that ruled them…….”
    Sir Hamilton Gibb, in his essay ‘Constitutional Organization’, showed that Muslim political thinkers themselves had become aware of the separation of state and religion and recognized the emergence of an autonomous sphere of religious activity and organization.
    In early Islamic philosophy,Ibn Rushd presented an argument in “The Decisive Treatise”
    providing a justification for the emancipation of science and philosophy from official Ash’ari theology, thus Ibn Rushd have been considered a precursor to modern secularism.
    In fact Islam is against clerisy
    Mst of Islamic schools in “fikh” (Islamic jurisprudence), “tafseer” (Koran interpretation) or theology, developed outside of political rule
    Moreover, due to that, Islam promoted teaching (“yu’radl”) not as a forced teaching (“yufradl”) – as the Qur’an affirms
    “Anyone who will believe may believe, and anyone who will be an infidel may be an infidel!”
    Assimilation between religion and Islam is just a new phenomeonRecommend

  • Salman Arshad
    Sep 8, 2010 - 11:26PM

    I support the ban.
    Children should only see cartoons sitting in government institutions.Recommend

  • Dr Murali
    Sep 8, 2010 - 11:51PM

    Yes I agree Islamic teachings are much change then Hindu.
    If Pakistan is banning its upto it.Recommend

  • Isfand
    Sep 9, 2010 - 12:31AM

    Corrections : just ignore the sentence “We muslims are the creators of concept of Islam”
    Actually the last sentence is “…….between politics and Islam…..”Recommend

  • naresh
    Sep 9, 2010 - 1:20AM

    i reaaly got happy to red deze comments that still v have more humnity in the world………every relgion does not suggest us to do wrong..just dont put urself in comptition of releigions….becoz everybody know that k GOD is one just fulfil d humnity…wht they r saying ab kartoons only they r making issues..v common people have to understand and live like a gud human being…and respest d every releigion becoz releigion never wrong only people are wrong Recommend

  • Gobsmacked
    Sep 9, 2010 - 1:40AM

    It is for precisely this kind of backward thinking that Pakistan ise destined to remain in the dark ages whilst the rest of the world progresses. How very very sad and shameful.Recommend

  • Faisal
    Sep 9, 2010 - 3:29AM

    Sorry I didn’t read the whole but i want to add my comments in response of some one who thinks that Jinnah’s vision was for a secular Pakistan.

    So why he fought for a separate country for Muslims, then he should have stay with Gandhi and worked for united secular India. And there was no reason for British to make two different secular countries. Jinnah won Pakistan to practice Islam not to practice Secularism.Recommend

  • Isfand
    Sep 9, 2010 - 3:54AM

    @AA I completly agree with you,religous freedom must be garanteed to everyone regardless of your religion,(obvously tht includes freedom of preaching also for non muslims)
    Its just ridicolus tht we demand full religous freedom for muslims living in non muslims when we are willing to give tht same rights to non muslims living in muslims countries.

    Btw Partition wasnt done for tht reason?!

    IZ “you first……” Lol!Recommend

  • Isfand
    Sep 9, 2010 - 3:57AM

    Correction :”…….when we are not willing to give……”Recommend

  • Gohar
    Sep 9, 2010 - 11:38AM

    Well , Why all this religious tolerance expected from us. Actually these are not Cartoons, this is preaching of religion. and just a reminder Pakistan is not a secular state.!!!Recommend

  • Point of view
    Sep 9, 2010 - 11:46AM

    For the last 63 years Pakistan has been inhabited by people belonging to different religions. I myself belong to the minority group and have never faced any prejudice, but in the last 5-6 years this whole religious mumbo jumbo has gone really out of hand and is causing distress not only to the minorities but the Muslim brethren alike. I, for a fact know Islam preaches tolerance and is a beautiful religion, when it is not being exploited by a few of these so called Muslims who are only breeding hate amongst us PAKISTANI’S. I grew up around staunch practicing muslims friends and watching Islamic programs, I have never felt compelled to convert or have been forced to. These issues never came up then, why now?

    When I read the comments on various topic here at the tribune, It makes me realize we have some educated and really good people around us, yet we have so much of madness prevailing in our country…makes me extremely sad.Recommend

  • jai
    Sep 9, 2010 - 12:18PM

    so tom and jerry are islamic? why not just change the name of pakistan to nofunistan. ban everything music tv everything.Recommend

  • Prince Faizan
    Sep 9, 2010 - 2:26PM

    I say every indian Cartoon’s should be banned because these cartoons are Destroying the mind of little cute Muslim children…….Their cartoons & tv shows are manes .. This indian media is polluting the minds of Pakistanies Men ,women, children, especially teenagers……..the watch these things and are forgetting who they are what is their real motive……….
    they are gaining distance from Islam………. i am saying this because almost 90% of teenagers dont know 4rth ,,5th ,6th Kalma shreefs…………….because they spend so much time on watching these shows rather than doing their home work and Reciting Holy Quran……They dont say prayers because they will miss the show………………………
    ufffff khuda Raham kar ham pay hamian sidha rasta dikha…….show us the right way………way of goodness and kindness and the way of our Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) the path of Islam…….
    (ameen Sum ameen)

    hehe `sory fo my bad englishRecommend

  • Ali Farooqui
    Sep 9, 2010 - 2:37PM

    Should be up to the parents to decide what their children should watch .. State should not act in such totalitarian manner. On the topic of secularism .. This country is called ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan .. dont like it? try next door ! go and praise the secular values living in Gujrat, IndiaRecommend

  • Isfand
    Sep 9, 2010 - 7:20PM

    @Ali Farooqui untill country will continue to be called ISLAMIC repubblic will continue to have a confused youth,a confused population and the govt will continue interfer in religous matters as if enough damage wasnt already done by the Hudood ordinance and the Blasphemy law.Recommend

  • Isfand
    Sep 9, 2010 - 7:21PM

    “…….havent been done……….”Recommend

  • Farhan
    Sep 9, 2010 - 8:31PM

    this shows how narrow minded and sick PML-N is. their leadership would not even think twice of the effect the Western world in all its bareness would have on their children while in Exile,but would always like to score points with religious fanatics in banning any content which they think is contradictory to their little developed mind.Recommend

  • Angelos
    Sep 9, 2010 - 8:54PM


    HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA…………..you copied whole of your comment!!

    the first part of your comment is copied from this link:


    which in turn was copied many times on different forums by the guys waving flags of secularism like you. At least do the courtesy of putting quotes when you copy someone’s work.

    But did you read the second part of the article from which you copied: afterwards jews hatched a plan to kill PROPHET PBUH and they were banished and then jizziya was imposed. I hope you got the point. And also, is there any mention that even without jizziya imposed on jewish tribes, they were allowed to come in Medina or Mecca and preach there religion, plz bring the reference of such link if you have.

    When Mesaq-e-Median was singed, only and only the non-Muslim tribes coming under than Islamic state were given this chance of not paying jazziya but it meant they have to fight alongside Muslims if Islamic state was attacked. When you pay jazziya, it is not mandatory for you to fight alongisde Muslims when their nations is attacked and neither any other tax is imposed on you.

    And for the lines that Prophet don’t have divine right to rule, this is the most lamest thing I ever heard………….for Muslims, PROPHET is the LEADER. And for non-mulims in the medina at that time he ruled them because of the compact they signed. I would suggest you read the translation of FIRST KALIMA and then you will realize the importance of PROPHET!

    The article from which you copied is nothing more than a one sided view, there are so many mistakes in it.
    And there are many other Hadiths regarding jazziya, you can serach them easily.

    I would suggest you read what is Jizziya and when it is imposed and who pays them. This link might help:


    and the second part of your comment is copied from WIKIPEDIA, are you crazy?? This is the level of your intellect……you are putting arguments from wikipedia and that too history related, get a life man!!!

    Even after Medina constitution was made, Prophet didnt abolished Islamic Law, there is no mention anywhere watsoever that Prophet separated religion from state. You are extremely confused and I suggest you go to some Religious Scholar and put your questions to him and he will better answer you.

    May God Help us All (Ameen)Recommend

  • Angelos
    Sep 9, 2010 - 10:41PM


    for blasphemy law and Hadood ordinance rant……..yes there are msitakes in these laws and they need to be modified according to what Islam actually says about these matter. No one should be allowed to play with these laws for their own personal gains. This is the fault of people that no one is addressing the crimes done on the basis of Blasphemy and Hadood. It is not the fault of Islam that one mutilates its teachings and implement as per their desires. Implement Islamic Law as was doen by Prophet and 4 Caliphs and no one will be confused.

    If some suicide bomber kills someone on the name of religion it is their fault, it has nothing to do with Islam. Those against the teachings of Islam are quick to pounce on such things and brand them as Islamic but they foget to study Islam to find out what religion actually has to say about these matters.Recommend

  • Angelos
    Sep 9, 2010 - 10:57PM

    @ AA and IZ

    i wrote a detailed reply for you but they webteam deleted it apaprently…….i would like to sum it up again:


    TV: some hardliners did raised the point of TV thing, for this i would ask you to study what religious scholars ruled for TV

    Cars: there is clear mention in Surah-Numl that besides horses and camels there are other things for you that you dont know off. A guy raised this same point that no mention of cars etc in Quran and was answered by Bahud-din-Zikria in the same fashion,

    Antibiotics, dialysis, etc: please read the history of achievemtns in the field of Medicine by Muslims and consult videos of zakir naik or ahmed deedat and you will be answered

    Cement, buildings: plz read hadiths related to end of times where Prophet clearly metnioned that people will build taller buildings etc etc

    Universities, schools: you must have read the hadith on the importance of knowledge………and plz dont so NAIVE, madrassa or musjid was University at times of Prophet PBUH

    Islam in no way discourages technology but their are certain rules you need to adhere. Please instead of bringing such ridiculoous arguments, come with something constructive


    I am not making things up myself. Please read the rulings of minorities during the time of Prophet and jazziya thing. I suggest going throught the following link:



    Plz be careful while you are driven by your so called logic. I suggest doing a study of Islam before you reach conclusion through your limited thinking/logic. Put your queries before religious scholars and you will be answered.

    May God Help us All!!Recommend

  • AK
    Sep 10, 2010 - 12:17AM

    Nasir you said:

    Do they have religious shows for
    Muslims in India during Ramadan? Can
    they show the Azaan on certain
    channels for Muslims?

    The answer is YES.Recommend

  • Sep 10, 2010 - 2:03AM

    PML = Pakistan Mullah/Military League

    so what you expect from 5000 year old mindset

    Its interesting how OUTSIDE attackers are given HERO status in our texts in schools while a seemingly harmless “mythology” is dangerous for our young minds.Recommend

  • Ali Farooqui
    Sep 10, 2010 - 4:07AM

    @ Angelos .. spot on about the hudood ordinance and blasphemy law.

    @Asfand .. I don’t know maybe I went to the wrong logic 101 class but I thought a child growing up in an Islamic country and Islamic environment would be less confused as compared to a mix plate child with a bit of every religion in his jumbled mindRecommend

  • Isfand
    Sep 10, 2010 - 4:16AM

    @Angelos LoL you are right absolutly! honestly i wanted to post also another part of the message and the links but i feared tht the editor was going to trim my already to long comment..yup my mistake. ok i do it now
    No thanks no needs of scholars,im not confused, i think secularism is just common sense,i just wanted convince you on religous basis tht secularism in islam is acceptable(thts the reason why i copied and pasted religous arguments)
    Indeed the Prophet is our leader(religous,moral) but in worldy matter he is actually like anyone else tht’s wht He says in hadith…….( i read this hadith in the book “Radical reform” but currently im unable to find the page……..) “You should also know tht there are a lot of scholars who promotes secularism in the light of “Ithijad”
    I think your way of thinking(in my humble opinion) is due to the fact tht you may consider Islam as something unchangble and confined to 7th century version of Islam of medina.
    But reform have always existed in Islam,obvously there are things which are unchangble (thawabit) and things which we can chnage (mutaghayyirat) and Islam promotes Ithijad on certain issues.Obvously the renovation of the religion(tajdid ad din) doesnt mean change in our sources,the priciples and the foundation of Islam but simply but a new way of applying them in acoordance to the different places and historical periods,the classic school of thought call this process Tajdid.But actually as the scholar Tariq Ramadan thinks,the priciples are unchangable,eternal and atemporal but the historical model of city of Medina founded by the Prophet is nothin more thn the historical realization relative to the realities and the needs of tht times.
    Many hadith promotes improvememnt, rennovation.Refrmist schools have always existed in the Islamic world and their objective to rethink the “fiqh” as they could “operate” in a better way in the economical,cultural sphere while taking in account the increasing complexity of the societies.Indeed the Quran leave freedom of interpretation on certain verses(zanni).Islam is a unversal religion due to his universal values(justice,equality etc), in fact tht creates always a marriage between the the golden values of Islam and the different cultures,fro this reason today we can find “saudi islam” “indian islam” “north african islam” “african islam” “european islam” etc
    Regarding to freedom of religion as the Grand Mufti of Marseille said” Firstly, I assert that Islam does not recognize the clerical system. However, imam and mufti are not clerics but guardians and mentors who attempt to give light to the believers, without forcing and judging them”
    I understand and respect your point of view even if i dont agree with tht.
    My links are the book “Radical Refrom” by Tariq Ramadan and the interview to Soheib Bencheikh

  • paanshaan
    Sep 10, 2010 - 5:11AM

    I much prefer Hindu myths to Angelos-style IslamRecommend

  • M. Salim
    Sep 10, 2010 - 9:41AM

    Farhah Deeba – this is a petty minded approach. Please re-direct your efforts in improving the lot of the teaming millions and bringing cheer to their lives. People are entertainment starved. Open up the channels and let the people choose what tehy wish to view.(I doubt if the establishment reads newspapers and blogs or appreciates the needs of the masses) Recommend

  • qudrat ullah
    Sep 10, 2010 - 9:46AM

    tribune appears to be an indian appologiser and its policy of bringing bad name to pakistan in guise of freedom of expression is condemnable. why not express tribune writes on issues like kashmir struggle against indians and why it never writes about non implementation of wage board award by mighty media barons in pakistan. pakistani media is fraud and continues to spoil and pollute the minds of its youth with non issues. i believe that pakistan media is in fcat fifth columnist which should be checked by the government.Recommend

  • Angelos
    Sep 10, 2010 - 2:23PM


    problem with guys like you is that they dont do the study of Islam and just keep commenting thourgh their flawed logic. It is high time that guys like you give up that mindset.

    @Ali Farooqui
    guys like Isfand are sadly abundant out there. The biggest problem with most of the current youth is that they are eating everything whats written on forums/blogs without doing any reasearh of their own or consulting religious scholars.Recommend

  • Angelos
    Sep 10, 2010 - 4:37PM

    I liked your reply………far far better than the previous one!

    I can assure you that I have nothing watsoever in mind that Islamic teachings are unchangeable. Muslim Scholars are always their to address the new issues in the light of teachings of Islam. You can check the fatwas by religious scholars on ring tones, tv, etc etc.

    If something is explicitly mentioned in Quran to be Haram, it cannot be changed. Like Hudood laws, drinking wine, listening to music, etc etc.

    Medina state was an example for all the future Islamic States. And that system was copied by the 4 Caliphs. Non-Muslims in conquered land were asked to pay jizziya or come into fold of Islam. There is a different notion b/w sects regarding who should be allowed to pay jizziya or not (like Ahl-e-Kitab) but that is a different debate. Jizziya thing was done during both the time of Prophet and 4 Caliphs and I don’t know the exact century till which it was done.

    Yes, hadiths are reinterpreted, no second opinions. But, I haven’t seen reinterpretation of any hadith that points to secularism. What you are talking/suggesting is changing thing on which there is no dispute among scholars. And yes, Islam is a universal religion and i dont know when clerics came in power in Islam. They always guide the people and intrepret the teachings of Islam.

    For common sense thing, i can assure you there are many things in religion which we dont understand and using common sense would only make us follow the path of “gumrahi”. A biggest example is of Music, people say it is common sense this and that and totally forget what Islam has to say about it.Recommend

  • SA
    Sep 10, 2010 - 4:38PM

    @ Qudratullah, tribune wrote about Quran burning issue but the readers haven’t bothered to comment (not yet at least)!!! The problem is not just with the media but the public :>.. the vendor offers what public demands!Recommend

  • AA
    Sep 10, 2010 - 6:12PM

    @angelos, you said “If something is explicitly mentioned in Quran to be Haram….like listening to music”

    I’d like you to quote me that explicit mention of such prohibition against listening to music.Recommend

  • Isfand
    Sep 10, 2010 - 7:14PM

    @Angelos,Ali Farooqi Yes you are rite it seem logic! ,islamic einvoirment means less confusion,theoricly it has sense,but unfortunatly in Pakistan we dont have an islamic envoirment, there is a betryal of Islamic values on daily basis think abt corrpution,poverty( the exsistence it self of poverty is a proof of mismanagment of the country by the goverments),women situation,coruption and inneficent and juridicial system,terrorism, 44% level of illiteracy,”entic discriminations,killings”,feudal system and im not talking abt occasional episodes these things are widespread in Pakistan.
    Just think abt the feudal system many mullah still support it or wht abt the sunni-shia killings many mullah still support also tht,many mullah still support the taliban

    Tht simply mean tht we as a nation are not only corrupt but we are also unable to understand the “goals” of Islam.

    Untill we will have these kind of problems in Pakistan, govt impositions abt religion will simply have negative effects,”mismanagments” of the Hudood ordinance and the Blasphemy law are unavoidable

    Poor understanding of Islam’s “goals”(Dignity of the human being,wellness spiritual and phisical,knowlegde,equality,freedom,justice,love,brothehood,
    solidarity,diversity!) by corrupt leaders(and non) will simply bring us to destuctive paths.

    If someone wants to bring the political institution of 7th century before calling Pakistan an islamic repubblic be sure tht the nation is following the Islamic teaching of justice,honesty,”acquiring knowlegde”,brothehood,love,equality etc…..
    Before implementing the Blasphemy law and the hudood ordinance be sure tht the ppl are litterate,tht we have a funtioning,efficent and uncorrupt juridicial system etc……..

    Im not saying you are guys are completly wrong and i hope you get my point
    (Btw i truly advice you to read the book “Radical reform”)Recommend

  • Angelos
    Sep 10, 2010 - 10:57PM


    And you were quick to pounce on my mistake :D

    My apologies, should have written mentioned in ‘Quran and Sunnah’ as there are many things in Quran which are explained to us by Holy Prophet PBUH through his Sunnah for instance the way how to say prayer, etc etc.

    Music being forbidden is explicitly mentioned in Hadith not Quran.

    There is no EXPLICIT mention of Music being forbidden in Quran. The verse of Surah Luqman is presented regarding music being forbidden. in Islam The word ‘idle talks’ is used there and it refers to music.

    There are two more verses but Aayat in Surah Luqman is mentioned most of the time when prohibition of music is discussed.

    In hadith it says: “There will be people of my Ummah who will seek to make lawful; fornication, wine-drinking and the use of ma`aazif ( musical instruments ).” There is also an incident when Prophet put fingers in his ears while a flute was being played. And number of hadiths which you can search. Lastly, you can listen to this video and I hope all of your questions will be answered: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF94jtwUbvQRecommend

  • Angelos
    Sep 10, 2010 - 11:19PM


    lolz @ “Im not saying you are guys are completely wrong”

    People here are more Islamic then anywhere else in the world. Problem is LITERACY and getting rid of so called SCHOLARS (which we term as mullahs, maulvis, etc).

    In Pakistan, a FAILED person has three options:1) become a teacher 2) start teaching in madrassa 3) start a band………you can observe these facts for yourself!

    Like I already said, teaching of Islam are mutilated by people for their own gains. There are many good people in our Judiciary system and certainly the current judiciary is very much free. I hope they address Blasphemy law and Hudood ordinance and mould it as per teachings of Islam. Current judiciary hasn’t done anything to address loopholes in our law system. I don’t know when they gonna heed to it.

    But for a second, lets switch to PARHA LIKHA TABQA. Current youth is biggest victim of forums and blogs. Some support conspiracy theories (I.e Zaid Hamid Brigade) and some eat everything on forums without checking the facts for themselves and most are NOT interested in Religion and Politics (I-hate-politics etc etc) and there is ‘I-m-being-rational-cult’ who turn teachings of Islam as per their desires, yes there are people in literate part that say music is allowed, no problem from wine drinking and list goes on only because they have been doing it for quite a time and they refuse to follow Islamic teachings.

    Now to bring political institution of 7th century part, what you said is half right and half wrong to me. Feudal system has nothing to do with Islam and so on…..

    The solution is increasing the literacy rate which is at 55 % now and we stand I think 160th in the world. There is a shariat council or something which transforms laws in the light of Islam; to me either no one is listening to it or it is full of incompetent people.Recommend

  • AA
    Sep 11, 2010 - 12:16AM

    @Angelos, you have a very narrow view of hadiths and Qu’ranic interpretations. You can obviously misguide kids all you want. I don’t intend to argue. When one is bent on declaring a negative and then proving it positive, than there’s nothing much one can do.Recommend

  • Sep 11, 2010 - 12:31AM

    its imperative to study indian mythodology for future generations to make peace with india.
    punjab is a rejectionist province which drove away bengalis
    it is with war with india over river waters and is destroying the whole of pakistan
    its center lollywood now wants end to indian cartoonsRecommend

  • Angelos
    Sep 11, 2010 - 1:05AM

    Plz go on and talk with some religious scholar about music and Islam. I am not a scholar and I have no intention of misguiding anyone. I dont listen to music and my belief is that MUSIC IS FORBIDDEN. And dont give me that “negative and then proving it positive……..” crap……..If you have any proof that music is allowed in Islam, bring it on. No one is stopping you. Recommend

  • Isfand
    Sep 11, 2010 - 3:07AM

    @Angelos regarding to your prevous comment there are some scholars see in favor of a secular state like Soheib Bencheikh,Ali Abdel Raziq and im sure there are many more
    They see the caliphate as something which has more to do with a cultural,historical model rather than religous and they point out tht democratic states are much better.
    They are not for secularization of the society but of the state.
    (check there work)

    Abt the impossibilty of changing interpretation on certain verses of the Quran and the Hadith i disagree,according to the scholar Tariq Ramadan certain verses of the Quran(zanni) give some freedom of interpretation.like no need to kill the apostate since the rule was made because someone leaving Islam would have damaged immensly(on the faith level,emotionaly) the tiny muslim communiy but since we more thn 1,5 billion, one less muslim not a problem(in very simple words)The same is valid for the for some Hadith(example like music is acceptable if the “intent” is constructive indeed even the Prophet didnt prohibited during a ceremony).Ideas from the scholar’s book “Radical reform”

    Btw i dont want to argue anymore with you,
    You have your ideas i have mine,we should simply along with them : )Recommend

  • taha hasan
    Sep 11, 2010 - 5:54AM

    perfect decisionRecommend

  • jai
    Sep 11, 2010 - 10:35AM

    The image shown is of the hindu maratha king Shivaji who is not a mythical character but a historical one. he fought against Aurangzeb the mughal who oppressed the masses. Shivaji had many muslims in his army too and is famous for a secular outlook.Recommend

  • Angelos
    Sep 11, 2010 - 10:37AM


    I have my own reservations when they say kill the apostate but i will keep them to myself until i further study on this topic. Regarding MUSIC, check this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF94jtwUbvQ…………pretty much summed up!

    no more arguements from my side either!Recommend

  • cr
    Sep 11, 2010 - 10:47AM

    The Pakistan Government stoutly denies that Hanuman Cartoon are shown in Pakistan.They further deny that that these are seen by any Pakistanis. All these rumours are the handiwork of the religious fundamentalist across the border and their RAW agents who are trained in these deadly Hanuman Cartoons. They leave CD’s packed in tiffin boxes at public places, which our children bring back with them after creating havoc in occupied Kashmir. Our own children are strictly trained in al-quaida scriptures and they are trained to leave behind RDX i. We trained them to leave it across the border, but as they grow into adulthood they have become lazy and are planting them in our own backyard!.Recommend

  • Shabbir Bukhari
    Sep 11, 2010 - 11:30AM

    Instead of banning cartoon inspired by Hindu mythology why don’t the government bans picture of Usama bin Laden who uses Islamic symbols and scriptures to justify terrorism.Recommend

  • Sep 11, 2010 - 4:57PM

    hahahahahaa! @their RAW agents who are trained in these deadly Hanuman Cartoons. Recommend

  • Nissar
    Sep 11, 2010 - 6:31PM

    Why not ban the Hindus! I thought u had already done that.Recommend

  • AA
    Sep 11, 2010 - 7:31PM

    @Angelos, you said: “I dont listen to music”

    It is always better to speak personally in the matter of religious discourse. Good for you that you don’t listen to music, perhaps you must be doing something else productive instead. It is your faith and belief, stick to it, just don’t impose it on to others under the name of Islam, you are not a God sent prophet.Recommend

  • Angelos
    Sep 12, 2010 - 12:04AM


    you asked me to show the source and i did. You dont want to believe it and think music is allowed or watever, plz by all means, do it! I presented the point on which I believe music is forbidden and hope people will study it or do a research of their own before listening to music next time.

    No intention of imposing on anyone. No more comments!Recommend

  • Jas
    Sep 12, 2010 - 12:42AM

    Eid mubark to all readers. I am a Sikh. I live in Europe so I dont know much what these cartoons show. It is good to see that Pakistan has so many wonderful people. To those who are against these cartoons being shown in Pakistan, I say guys have a break and make Pakistan funistan. It should be clear that being over religious does not bring dividends of any sort. I lived in Saudi Arabia as well for 15 years. To some in Pakistan who yearn for a Bedouin culture – guys it is absolutely nothing to get so excited about. The Bedouins are mainly sheep herders and camel herders. So of course they dont have much music of their own but they are mostly happy to listen to music when they can. Of course Bedouins cant make films but they watch films when they can too. So you guys against music and films, guys loosen up. Stop trying to ape some desert Bedouins as if it is a big deal. Listen to what the other reader said about being proud about your cultural heritage and ancestry like Turkey and Iran. A few other points. Maharajah Ranjit Singh did not massacre Muslims like one reader alluded. Thats a myth. He had quite a few Muslim generals. He had Muslim soldiers in his army and many Muslim ministers in his government. Also guys remember that a quarter to a third of Pakistan’s population today would be non-Muslim had it not been for events that occurred during partition. We should remember that for most of history we all lived together peacefully and happily. Muslims and non-Muslims were living together like brothers all the time except for a few years instigated by bad people. For the future let us wish well for all countries and people in the region and that we will all again soon live peacefully and prosperously.Recommend

  • Taimur
    Sep 12, 2010 - 1:05AM

    The ban is wrong in my opinion but if the burqa can be banned in France, Minarets can be banned in Switzerland, Azan can be banned in a dozen of countries then a muslim country also has the right to ban what it feels it is in its interest as long as it is done through a legitimate and logical process .Recommend

  • Sep 12, 2010 - 1:25PM

    Though I am an Indian to the core and fight for our national cause, I love to watch debates in Pakistan. I congratulate you for the diversity of opinion. I wish we had more exchange of culture and heritage between the two countries and we could be more friendly nations. If we leave the traditional enemity towards each other at political level, we could create a prosperous region boasting to the whole world about its greatness and still live with our individual religions in harmony. We do have a huge presence of Islam in India and we love them. Between India and Pakistan we just need to stop insisting on changing the boundaries and converting to the faiths and look forward to the future. May be it is possible, may be it is not. But, let us allow the diversity to exist. It keeps the hope alive.Recommend

  • Sidra Ahmed
    Sep 12, 2010 - 1:33PM

    Don’t Pakistanis know that nearly all of them actually have HINDU ancestors?? So why have so much hatred towards one’s own origins?? Secondly, it is up to the PARENTS to regulate their kids; not the government!! Of course it is easier if the parents don’t have to be involved in every single thing, but in this case, the parents actively CHOSE to order this channel. So it is really very stupid to order an Indian channel and then be surprised to see Hindu programming. It’s like someone ordering MTV and getting angry about seeing American stuff.Recommend

  • AA
    Sep 12, 2010 - 6:39PM

    @Jas, very well said, thank you.Recommend

  • AA
    Sep 12, 2010 - 6:46PM

    @Rajeev, well said, I think South Asian continent, along with China near by, could model what is now the North American continent with South America, a prosperous and not so prosperous areas though it would not be an ideal situation. There is less doubt that South Asia along the Indian Ocean would take over the role of super power in the near future. We just have few minor political distractions on the world’s stage. India and China would be wise to not repeat the mistakes of North American geopolitical situation (means, not let Pakistan become another Mexico near their border). There are several other countries near by who are on the path to progress and most likely Pakistan would catch up as well.Recommend

    Sep 13, 2010 - 12:13AM

    In Pakistan , social inequality has been covered and stifled through religion. In view of the post flood scenario and the quasi-revolution tilt, the elite is again trying to allay hue and cry,through morphine of religion. Its the same approach which Gen. Zia had,but with a different facade………..Recommend

  • Dr. Asad Sadick, Germany
    Sep 13, 2010 - 5:39AM

    This again proves that we are lost in religion. The Punjab govt. or for that matter the federal govt should rather be using their resources and energy in providing potable water, eradication of malaria and tuberculosis, than wasting time on such petty matters.Recommend

  • Murtaza
    Sep 13, 2010 - 6:51AM

    Children are going towards these cartoons shows because they do not have much to see on Pakistani Channels. Why don’t we think of providing them with better entertainment (can be a depiction of Stories of Prophets) rather then banning the Hindu Mythological Cartoon Shows? We should give them a free will so that they can choose by themselves.Recommend

  • Sep 13, 2010 - 1:15PM

    Arent the Indian channels already banned officialy? Then how come they are considering a ban on one tv show when the entire network is not allowed is Pakistan? Baat kuch palle nahin pariRecommend

  • Arrosa khan
    Sep 13, 2010 - 11:13PM

    So when Pak children don a bomb vest around their waist in the name of Islam and go about blowing human beings to smitherens, that is fine and dandy. But mere watching an artistic representation of a deity on a TV screen of another religion is offensive! Guys, have you lost your minds?Recommend

  • Khurram Aziz Shah
    Sep 14, 2010 - 11:49AM


    I know I know, the rest of the cartoons on Cartoon Network are pretty Islamic.

    Something tells me it’s not about Islam but rather Anti-India sentiments in (not so much) disguise


    yeah it is anti Indian….. when Indian Gvot. doesnt allow Pakistani content then why should we? Also, I didnt mean a specific show rather all objectionable content.


  • Khurram Aziz Shah
    Sep 14, 2010 - 12:03PM

    @ Hamza

    Dear, Indian channels are obviously banned officially but almost all the cable operators are showing them with their logos concealed behind locally generated logos. I dont know what the hell is PEMRA upto…??? there seems to be no check & balance from the sleeping watchdog.

    Also, Cartoon Network has a dedicated beam for Pakistan which shows cartoons in Hindi rather then in Urdu…. n again……….. the watchdog is dead.Recommend

  • Khurram Aziz Shah
    Sep 14, 2010 - 12:20PM

    @ Arrosa khan

    that mere watching of an artistic representation of a deity from another religion is offensive for pre-mature innocent minds. & who said that blowing humans to smitherens is gallant & dandy..???Recommend

  • Narayan
    Sep 15, 2010 - 1:06AM

    Wow – that is a HGUE list of comments.
    An “Islamic” Nation should seek giudance from the following,
    1. The life of Rasool Allah (SAWS)
    2. The contents of al-Quran-e-Majheed
    3. The Sunnah & Sirah
    4. The various ‘verified’ Hadith
    5. The Sharia Law
    If only people responding above would care to look at those. Is it or is it not true that as per Islamic jurisprudence, it is prohibited for anyone to draw or otherwise depict a human image? If depicting of human images is indeed prohibited, how could Pakistanis even begin learning about their ‘Shared’ Culture – remember Muslims & ISLAM wasn’t the oldest and therefore doesn’t have a culture that could date back – as back as Buddhism could.
    It was the progressive Buddhists of Afghanistan (& Pakistan) who contributed so much to those lands – including the world-reknown Bamiyan statues. Are statues, as per Islamic Sunni jurisprudence, sanctioned – especially such huge ones depicting a ‘God’? I suspect if it is.
    May be, the Pakistanis should first look at the bombing of Sufi dargahs and the genocide of the Ahmadis – rather than some senseless animations of Hanuman or Krishna or some other fool (I’m a Hindu and myself care a rat’s ass about these stupid animations – which are completely worthless & FALSE).
    Does the Cartoon show how Hanuman (who was a celibate) got a child? Of course, not. Does it show how many wives Krishna had – of course not.
    The problem is – these stupid things appeal more to young minds. And in comparison, you want young kids to memorize Ancient Arabic verses in Madarassahs – obviously the kids will choose this colorful lies. May be if you could put out an animated series showing the Prophet (PBUH) – oh, but wait, you’re not allowed to depict human images. May be if M. F. Hussain drew a few images of Ayesha (PBUH) – it might help Muslims. See, we Hindus are so proud of him depicting Bharath Mata & Sita in the nude.
    Narayan M Recommend

  • i dont know
    Sep 16, 2010 - 4:22AM

    Being an Indian, i kind of expected some of the comments made above,like, “our baccha’s are being led in the wrong direction by the Indianisation of television”…but what I liked was that a good deal of people( and im guessing they are Pakistani’s or of Pakistani descent) actually think of this idea as stupid…which is a really positive sign…!! Recommend

  • Bangladeshi
    Sep 17, 2010 - 10:39AM

    Hello Pakistan, you can go and ban all Hindu Cartoons. Why stop? Go ahead and kill all your Hindu, Christian and Ahmadi Minorities. Make Osama Bin Laden as your head of state. Do whatever you can, yet you cannot change a simple truth; Namely, every Muslim in Pakistan has a Hindu/Buddhist/Jain forefather. Even Allah cannot change this fact , because, Allah wanted it that way.

    Pakistan cannot exist without the help of Pork eating Americans and/or Pork eating Chinese. Why? Because, Allah wanted it that way.

    Why do you think South Asia, despite centuries of Afghan/Mughal/Muslim rule remains predominantly non Moslem? Because Allah wanted it that way, he does not want more than one Pakistan.

    Now go ahead and have a good sleep . Good Luck.Recommend

  • CriticalThinking
    Sep 17, 2010 - 11:43AM

    One person here (Taimur) suggests us that if France can ban burquas and Swizz can ban minarets, why cant Pak ban Hindu Cartoons?

    It does sound logical except that France and Switzerland does not have native Muslim population whereas Pak had Hindus, even before the advent of islam

    Also Burka ban is in public places and pakistan govt has every right to ban watching cartoons in public but what does their govt have to do when people watch within their own homes?

    So maybe Pakistan should do something else. Say deport all its Hindus to another nation, so that there is no need to show Hindu Cartoons.

    Another alternative is to mandate that Cartoon shows must be seen by only Non Muslim Pakistanis. If Muslim Pakistani sees these Cartoons, and if same is proved with evidence, he/she could be punished by Stoning or Flogging.. Laws like this should make sense for Pakistan.Recommend

  • Bharat Dadlani
    Sep 18, 2010 - 10:44PM

    Why does The Tribune call it Hindu MYTHOLOGY to describe Historical events in the History of Akhand Bharat – the erstwhile land where the Sanatana Dharma was a way of life (including the land comprising Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, the Maldives, Burma, Nepal, Tibet which is currently occupied by China, and the small India of today) and Dharmic belief – before the arrival and conquest by Arabs, Turks, Iranians, British, Portuguese and French ?

    If the stories of Amar Chitra Katha of heroes of Hindu civilisation are a MYTH then why fight the Pakistan authorities for banning the depictions – Myth is myth and should not be respected.

    However, if The Tribune believes that the label ‘Myth’ is incorrect and that the events of the Kathas are Historical Facts, then call them correctly and fight for the rights of Hindus in Pakistan.

    Bharat DadlaniRecommend

  • AA
    Sep 20, 2010 - 5:17AM

    @Bharat Dadlani, you said: “Myth is myth and should not be respected.”

    You appear to be less educated about myths. Read Joseph Campbell to get some enlightenment before you disrespect myths again. While you’re at it, also learn about history and meta-history, and the differences between the two.

    Literalists hold no monopoly over Pakistan!Recommend

  • Jas
    Sep 26, 2010 - 2:06AM

    Mr Bharat Dadlani. Stop going on about Akhand Bharat which never included all the lands you have listed. However it will be good if all people live together in peace, especially people of India and Pakistan as we do have much in common. These myths are not history. They are surely myths.Recommend

  • ABU
    Sep 29, 2010 - 11:48AM

    Dear all especially those who are against the ban. Is there any Islamic cartoon on any of the Indian channels of SECULAR India? Is there any Islamic program on any of Indian channels of SECULAR India? Think before you promote the India and her ideology in your motherland. But why you people are so worried about? Hindus should be worried about it. It is very simple Pakistan is a Muslim country. And is there someone who really knows what Islam is? So before you say something please understand your own Religion first and then compare it with other Religion you will find the answer.Recommend

  • jai
    Sep 30, 2010 - 12:11AM

    ABU But how can anyone make movies or cartoons about Islam when muslims go berserk at any depiction of Muhammed. Most people just don’t want unnecessary headache with the death threats muslims throw around so liberally. Recommend

  • ABU
    Sep 30, 2010 - 11:03AM

    Dear JAI

    I didnot said cartoons about our holy persons. what i want to say the programs about islamic values and teachings. whould Indian govt allow this being a secular state? Pakistan will not allow other religion to go on air and they donot claim to be a secular state also. I have not seen any muslim making funny and disgracefull cartoons about gods of other religions even we beleive that those gods are untrue. Recommend

  • Ashutosh
    Sep 30, 2010 - 6:02PM

    @ ABU,

    There are 3 or 4 Islamic religious channels which operates 24X7 in India. It is a secular democratic country in true sense.

    There had been several attempts by our enemy to spread hearted and create problems by various terror related activities. However, Indians by and large shown restrain and thus defeated the enemy in its own design.

    The Babari Mosque was demolished 18 yrs ago and the Gujarat riots are 8 years old. This is really shameful. However, those who understand the size and complexities that exists in India, will agree that India is by and large a peaceful and progressive country. Muslims had been equally contributed and benefited by its progressive.


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