The parents grew up with violence in their respective childhood homes and know no better: their children have already learnt the violence and unless the chain is broken, their grandchildren will learn the same and so on down the line. This ingrained violence — for that is what it is — spills over into society at large, creating ever-spreading ripples as it goes.
The same can be said of Pakistan today: we are a nation brought up on hard knocks, stressful situations and downright fear of so many diverse, yet overlapping, things that it is difficult to highlight just one example. Unless, that is, the accusatory finger perpetually aimed in India’s direction is taken as a point in case.
The two neighbouring countries have been at war overtly and covertly more than once and a high percentage of the populations in both countries is still blindly prepared to blame the other for each and every single one of their woes. This ridiculous situation is further aggravated by biased press policies on both sides of the border with extremely outmoded, self-destructive policies being perpetuated, which are way past their sell-by date. Hanging on to and aggrandising past hatreds is self-destructive to the nth degree. And even though trade barriers are slowly coming down and visa regulations are supposedly relaxing, old grievances are still being continually whipped up. This does not, by any stretch of the imagination, promote the desperately needed peace which leads to prosperity for all.
Not satisfied with allowing ourselves to be continually beaten with the ‘hate India’ stick, we and our Afghan brothers and sisters are now increasingly at each other’s throats, largely due to organised mudslinging in both directions. In the long term, this will be equally destructive for both as the two countries — Pakistani interference in Afghan internal affairs aside — have much to offer each other on a sustainable basis.
The regularly stoked up animosities between Pakistan and India and Pakistan and Afghanistan serve no one other than those with vested political interests, foreign war mongers and unscrupulous global profiteers. And as always, it is the people, especially those living on or below the poverty line, who suffer from these machinations of economies based on greed.
It is imperative that the people of these three adjoining countries take time to seriously dissect the misinformation being heaped on them from biased quarters. They must think for themselves and reach their own commonsensical conclusions and join together in peace.
Published in The Express Tribune, November 28th, 2012.
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@gp65: @Zalmai: @Cynical: @wonderer:
+1 to all of you. With people like you all, this region has a bright future. Keep educating, and do keep interacting.
@wonderer You also need a guru to help you snap out of the wonderland you have imagined yourself to be living in. And perhaps a bit of learning would be a good change for you.
@Learner:
Please Sir, it is time to change your name. You are no more a "Learner". May I suggest "Teacher", or better still, "Guru"? "Kaalchakra" badly needs one.
@Kaalchakra
You are spot on. The best thing to do on this section is to ignore the Indians. They come here with an agenda and their minds are made up. They are too obstinate to engage in a fruitful discussion though they have all the time in the world to write reams of text. Fortunately, they will always remain a fringe and so would their unthinking supporters.
@gp65
"@Cynical: Thanks. I would like to believe I am sincere and straightforward ........"
You have proved that you are, at least on this page for sure. Allow me to share a secret of my own with you. When I read the line that made so many of us complimenting you (and deservingly so) for the aptness and the sheer lyrical beauty of it, I felt for a few seconds that I have read/heard it before, but just for a few seconds and went ahead with what I had to say, and done with it. And then came your disclaimer (absolutely voluntary).
Now, as far as I am concerned, the 'quote' for what ever its worth pales into insignificance when placed alongside the 'disclaimer'. There is, perhaps no greater virtue than being transparent about and honest with one's own self. Respect is the only word that comes to mind.
@Shahnawar Hashmi
No matter who rules Kabul, Afghans will not tolerate Pakistani interference in its affairs and this fact seems to be lost on the Pakistani establishment. There is overwhelming consensus in Afghanistan across the board to prevent foreign proxies from undermining and derailing the progress of the last decade.
Afghans unanimously reject the Taliban and their sponsors. Afghanistan has moved on and Pakistan to its detriment fails to recognize this fundamental shift in Afghanistan.
@Cynical Thank you.
@gp65
You broke it down eloquently and I think even Kalchaakra deep in his heart of hearts knows that you are right but he is too stubborn to concede to the obvious. Years of institutionalized indoctrination, religious bigotry and revisionist ideologies has clouded the judgment of some poor souls in the land of the pure.
@Kaalchakra
Afghanistanis? Really! We are called Afghans and the irrendentist bigotry is justified because millions of Pashtuns in Pakistan have been separated from their brethren and exploited by your establishment to keep them divided. At the end of the day, Pakistan is made up of India and Afghanistan and some people will never accept that status quo.
@Kaalchakra: "You are willing to acknowledge that the Indian system may be good for India. Indians are unwilling to acknowledge that the Two Nation Theory may be a good thing for Pakistan. " What is teh 2 Nation Theory? That Hindus and Muslims are 2 nations and cannot live together. If Indians accepted this theory, it would mean that we disown the Muslim citizens of India. Also what about the Christians, Parsis, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists and atheists - which nation are they supposed to belong to per the 2 Nation theory? For this reason, the 2 Nation theory is not something that any Indian - whatever their belief would be okay with.
But partition? Regardless of what our elders may have felt. Today most Indians and Pakistanis agree on one thing : creation of Pakistan was a good thing.
@Kaalchakra: "As you can see, most of what you may have been told about the irredentist bigotry and irrationality of Indians and Aghanistanis is unfortunately quite true.
While you are willing to acknowledge our common faults and build a better share future, Indians and Afghans are not".
Have you noticed that ALL Indians regardless of whether they are Hindus (e.g. me, Akash, BlackJack), Muslim (Feroz, Asif Iqbal) or Christian (David_Smith) have rejected the author's theory that the Indian state is as guilty of purveying hatred for 'others' as Pakistan is? Why do you think that is? Perhaps because it is true and we are not taught to hate? I and many of my compatriots would have no trouble accepting the very legitimate problems that exist in my country. Unlike the author and you, we just do not believe we share this specific problem i.e. institutionalized bigotry and systematic encouragement of intolerance and hatred. This is not to say that there are no individual bigots in India because there are. Just that the space for them to execute their bigoted ideas is narrowing rapidly and can be seen in the fact that the last time we had communal riots in India was almost 11 years back.
@Kaalchakra:
I think ratíonality was thrown out of the window when you started typing.
Maybe you need a lesson in history. India has never been ruled by its military and its the politicians (as use less as they may be) who take the decisions. In Pakistan that isnt the case. India is a country that has an army. In Pakistan its the Army that has a country.
Where is the proof that India is supporting terrorism in Pakistan. The Pakistani government has not raised this at any international forum and this speaks volumes about its credibility.
About the two nation theory, I doubt many Indians will say it is bad for India. At the time of partition Indians felt otherwise and the violence during partition was a tragedy but currently Indians are quite happy that a large majority of the fundoos and religious bigots are on the other side of the border and are not spewing their venom in India.
@Kaalchakra: "As you can see, most of what you may have been told about the irredentist bigotry and irrationality of Indians and Aghanistanis is unfortunately quite true.
While you are willing to acknowledge our common faults and build a better share future, Indians and Afghans are not".
Ah Sir. I am sure many Indians who have commented here, if not all, would own up to many faults that exist in our country. Our pretty unanimous rejection of the author's contention is because we do not believe - unlike you - that systematically breeding hate and intolerance is something we share with Pakistan. Though undoubtedly pockets of bigotry do exist in India, acting upon such bigotry is becoming less and less acceptable to common public and this manifests itslef in the fact that we have not had one communal riot in the last 10+ years. Our constitution, judiciary, media and civil society have each had an important role to play in this regard.
@Kaalchakra:
It is not the season for you Sir; just look around. Why must you insist on being the unseasonal flower?
@Cynical: Thanks. I would like to believe I am sincere and straightforward but have never considered myself creative. I certainly lack the creativiity to come up with quotable quotes. I modified Adlai Stevenson's quote because it fit the situation rather well. Looks like it resonated with many people.
@wonderer, @Vijay: Originally Adlai Stevenson had said "If the Republicans will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them". Many people have repeated it with minor modifications. It fit the context very well so I used it and clearly it resonated with you. Thank you for the feedback.
@wonderer: Sir, it is a pleasure to communicate with you. I am glad you feel the same way.
Let's be real! It's too late for Pakistan. No turning back now. Why you seen a Hollywood movie named "Casandra Crossing", where passengers on the train are infected with deadly disease. We are more or less in similar situation!
@wonderer: Your response is wonderful.
@gp65
If you stop telling lies about us, we will stop telling the truth about you.
Great line. Should find a place in book of quotations.
@wonderer: @vijay, Thank you. That line is certainly not original and many people have said it before me. It fit the current situation well so it must have resonated with you. Thanks again. @Wonderer Sir, Interacting with you continues to be a pleasure. Regards,
@gp65:
" If you stop telling lies about us, we will stop telling the truth about you."
Could not have been expressed any better. Wonderful!
Please Madam, do not actually carry out your threat(?). I never told lies about you, and I have always respected the bits of truth you often send our way.
@ gp65
'If you stop telling lies about us, we will stop telling the truth about you.'
Love you for this comment :)
Zahrah
As you can see, most of what you may have been told about the irredentist bigotry and irrationality of Indians and Aghanistanis is unfortunately quite true.
While you are willing to acknowledge our common faults and build a better share future, Indians and Afghans are not. You are willing to ask the Pakistani military to give civilian leaders an opportunity to build peace. Indians are unwilling to do the same with their army. You are willing to ask Pakistanis to stop terrorism aimed at India. Indians are unwilling to stop terrorism against Pakistan. You are willing to acknowledge that the Indian system may be good for India. Indians are unwilling to acknowledge that the Two Nation Theory may be a good thing for Pakistan.
Your attempts to interact rationally with Indians, I am afraid, will come to naught, as have been the attempts of countless other well-intentioned Pakistanis before you.
Why is pakistan the most hated country in the world?Not because Indians or Israelis or Americans are taught in thier textbooks or read misleading articles in the press or fed misinformation.Is is hated because of its policies and evil deeds.And most of all because you wear your religion on your sleeve.We Indian muslims dont do that....Simple
@Zalmai
Great post, as always.
Don't bracket India . We are not arabs or descedants of Ghaznavi . We believe what we see, don't believe in conspiracy .
To whom was this ad hominen piece addressed? It's a fine thought that Afghanistan, Pakistan and India (and indeed, others in the region as well) should work together to ameliorate the huge developmental issues they face. But I have not seen Afghanistan or India blame each other for their problems. You must bring in India, as it were, to diffuse Pakistan's role in causing problems for its neighbors (and ultimately for itself). This ruse does not cut ice any more - not in India, not in Afghanistan and not with the international community.
are we really same same? seriously?
@Zalmai: " ... We are increasingly at each other’s throats mainly due to Pakistani interference in Afghanistan’s internal affairs. .... "
What is even more ironical is that Pakistan never forgets to remind others that empires have met their end because of meddling in Afghanistan.
From the authors writings it becomes clear that she does not have a clue as to what ails the country. It is nice to equate potatoes, tomatoes and onions since they are all vegetables like you do with Afghanistan, India and Pakistan which are all different countries. However you know the countries are very different with different set of world views and a radically different mindset. Pakistan is a country like no other on the planet for all the wrong reasons. It has the solitary distinction of preaching hate from places of worship and indoctrinating its youth with it through text books and history books. It is married to an ideology that is not conducive to either Peace or Happiness and welfare of its people is its lowest priority. It believes that Power flows from the barrel of a Gun which in the twenty first century is an outdated concept.
Afghanistan has suffered because it is more a set of warring tribes rather than a monolithic unified country. Its neighbors have played cruel games on its soil by pitting one tribe against another and destroyed its society. Now Afghans have got a lot wiser and saying enough is enough, foreigners please quit and take your trouble makers with you. They are no longer fooled by pious intentions and intently watching the actions of different players for clues and intentions. A secular country destroyed by a foreign ideology and imported despots. Afghanistan will make a comeback and if neighbors continue to interfere, will burn themselves.
India faces greater challenges being a country with diversity like none other. It differs from its neighbors in that it is willing to recognize those problems and work to overcome them. It is also able to control all of its territory and impose the writ of the State and deliver justice, even though often long delayed. It believes its diversity is its strength and not a burden. Recognizing that Economic growth only can solve many problems it is willing to provide a conducive framework for meeting peoples aspirations. Most importantly its people believe they are second to none in both capabilities and abilities. India unlike others was also much stronger because it has a Constitution that discriminates against none. It faces an uphill task that will challenge its people if it wants to regain its status as the World's dominant Economy.
If one is sincere in addressing an issue, he/she/they would address the root cause of the issue. For Pak/India relations, the root cause is Kashmir. Until that is not addressed, we'll keep on dreaming about normalizing relations. Afghanistan, has been blaming Pakistan for creating and sponsoring the Taliban back in the 90s. Currently they're blaming them for not doing enough to rid the Pak Afghan border of Taliban insurgents. Not to mention that they have a US supported puppet regime which speaks their master's language of course. It would take a new impartial government in Afghanistan before we could hope for a normalized relationship with them, which obviously would only be possible after US leaves Afghanistan. A new government with a large public mandate is also needed in Pakistan to make that sincere effort on both fronts.
emphasized text"The two neighbouring countries have been at war overtly and covertly more than once and a high percentage of the populations in both countries is still blindly prepared to blame the other for each and every single one of their woes."
I have not heard of India blaming Pakistan for its problems except for terrorist attacks on its soil and Kashmir.
False equivalence. Just because your government lies to you, does not mean ours does the same. Many of the lies you were told have now been exposed by your own internal sources (e.g. who started 1965 war, whether Pakistani soldiers were involved in Kargill or not).
At this very time you are being told: - TTP is sponsored by Indians (though not so long ago Hamid Gul claimed that they were true mujahidins) - India is stealing our water (though India honoured IWT even during the wars) - Hate mongering about Hindus in your textbooks and also the impression that India is a Hindu country when it has almsot as many Muslims as Pakistan
Can you give an example of lies about Pakistan or Muslims that Indian textbooks or government spreads? Our army is not a separate institution and certainly does not try to contol media and spread anti-Pakistani news. Any anti-Pakistani stories carried by Indian media are based on facts (10 people on boat were Pakistani, Daood Gilani planned Mumbai and has confessed in a court that he was working with LeT, Abu Hamza was given a Pakistani passport and Pakistani authorities tried to prevent his extradition to India) .
If you stop telling lies about us, we will stop telling the truth about you.
@Prerna:
You remind me of a bitter gourd
Zahra ji, it is a nice concept and would require a lot more soul searching on Pakistan's part because Bhutto gave sanctuary to the Afghan Ikhwan ul Muslimeen student groups in the 70's, and encouraged the likes of Hekmatyar to wage war before even the Russian invasion. So to start fresh she must acknowledge all the wrongs and work for the betterment of it's own populace. The region needs peace not proxies and forces of darkness.
Zahrah Nasir's opinion piece titled "The World According To An Afghan" aptly defines mudslinging and misinformation as practiced by her. http://tribune.com.pk/story/410054/the-world-according-to-an-afghan/
"we and our Afghan brothers and sisters are now increasingly at each other’s throats, largely due to organised mudslinging in both directions"
Afghans and Pakistanis are not brothers and sisters, sharing the same religion does not automatically make disparate people into a family and Pakistan is a shining example of this fallacy. We are increasingly at each other's throats mainly due to Pakistani interference in Afghanistan's internal affairs.
On the contrary, Pakistanis and Indians are from the same stock despite the difference in religion but Zahrah Nasir is not brave enough to call Indians as her brothers and sisters. The hypocrisy is nauseating and this author is oblivious to her own prejudices and biases.
We should have friendly relationship with each of our neighbors at a minimum. Do we have any neighbor with open borders, open hearts and mind? China is not a real neighbor with very little in common and even that border is not so open and peaceful anymore.
The misinfomation is in Pakistan ONLY. Why fool everyone, For 3 years, India said Kasab was Pak citizen -in the end end it was right.Pakistan feeds misinfomation because it is a hostage to a religion -not India and not even Afghanis in such a pathetic situation
Zahrah Nasir's opinion piece titled "The World According To An Afghan" aptly defines mudslinging and misinformation as practiced by her. http://tribune.com.pk/story/410054/the-world-according-to-an-afghan/
"we and our Afghan brothers and sisters are now increasingly at each other’s throats, largely due to organised mudslinging in both directions"
Afghans and Pakistanis are not brothers and sisters, sharing the same religion does not automatically make disparate people into a family and Pakistan is a shining example of this fallacy. We are increasingly at each other's throats mainly due to Pakistani interference in Afghanistan's internal affairs.
On the contrary, Pakistanis and Indians are from the same stock despite the difference in religion but Zahrah Nasir is not brave enough to call Indians as her brothers and sisters. The hypocrisy is nauseating and this author is oblivious to her own prejudices and biases.
Once again we hear that old Pakistani gripe - We are the victims of mis-representation.We do not interfere in the affairs of sovereign nations. We do not train terrorists and send them across borders. We do not violate cease-fires. We do not teach our citizens to hate other religions and cultures. We do not...Blah, blah, blah…. All these nasty things are being done by foreign war-mongers and global-profiteers. Our hands are so clean.
Ma’am,you really need to invest more time in reading and learning ,and please focus on non-Pakistani sources.
At your kind suggestion,though,I have thought for myself and reached my own commonsensical solution – More mud needs to be slung at Pakistan.
When i was a kid, my village school teacher used to talk about Religious harmony & intolerance. About sikhs, muslims, christians etc & my village had no sikhs, muslims, christians. I was wondering what he is saying. When my parents put me in a hostel during my adulthood i met them all....Pupinder, jcob, salim. They remain my friend till this date. The foundation of India s build on this guidelines.
Zahra JI, You always have a valid point. One can say that the only benefit to come out of this permanently hostile environment is the accelerartioin of war technology but at the expense of social development more so in Pakistan than India. I hope one day the citizens of both countries would be able to drive across to the other side for a day's outing.
Speak for your own country about being 'taught to hate'. Your neighbours to the east do not institutionalize this 'hatred' as it is done in your schools, colleges and media - and your country today is paying the cost of that institutionalized hatred, where every religious / political group goes by the "My way or the highway" logic, with your state itself funding and nurturing "non-state" actors to make up for their "inadequacies" and to achieve "strategic depth". Your neighbours to the east (and most nations that deal with you) have had it with your "official" lies and your public's tendencies to come up with the most outlandish conspiracies, blaming everyone but yourselves for your present ills - where even with overwhelming evidence, Kasab is not accepted as a Pakistani and the planners of that attack are free to roam your cities delivering more hate sermons.
So please, realize we're not in the same boat; infact we're not even in the same pool!
Madam, I think the first person who needs to get rid of misinformation is you. India is not a victim to any misinformation campaigns, and I almost always find the same reports in international media and their Indian counterparts. Our army has no narrative - so that is one source less to worry about. Similar to normal human beings, as a nation, we base our likes and dislikes on our collective experience; with our dear neighbor, this involves 4 wars, Mumbai attacks, interference in Kashmir, terrorist camps, Ghazwa-e-Hind, hatred in textbooks and forced conversion of Hindus; again, our narrative is no different from that which is available in the West. Now you can say that the whole world now needs to get rid of misinformation, or pin point the actual culprit and victim (both the same country in this case).