On that same day I also tweeted: “Pakistan scares the s… out of the world by holding a machine-gun to its own head.” Indeed, if you read Mitt Romney’s words carefully, you will agree with me on both counts. In answer to a question about Pakistan, this is what Romney said: “No, it’s not time to divorce a nation on earth that has a hundred nuclear weapons and is on the way to double that at some point, a nation that has serious threats from terrorist groups within its nation — as I indicated before, the Taliban, Haqqani network. It’s a nation that’s not like — like others and that does not have a civilian leadership that is calling the shots there.
“You’ve got the ISI, their intelligence organisation is probably the most powerful of the — of the three branches there. Then you have the military and then you have the — the civilian government. This is a nation which if it falls apart — if it becomes a failed state, there are nuclear weapons there and you’ve got — you’ve got terrorists there who could grab their — their hands onto those nuclear weapons.” And tellingly added: “This is — this is an important part of the world for us. Pakistan is — is technically an ally, and they’re not acting very much like an ally right now, but we have some work to do.”
Replying to a question about the use of drones (are you listening, Imran Khan?), Romney said: “Well, I believe that we should use any and all means necessary to take out people who pose a threat to us and our friends around the world. And it’s widely reported that drones are being used in drone strikes, and I support that entirely and feel the president was right to up the usage …and that we should continue to use it to go after the people who represent a threat to this nation and to our friends.”
So there you have it: Pakistan’s near-rogue, near failed-state status put before the world in no uncertain terms. I cannot help but feel a somewhat cruel delight at the sure discomfiture of the Deep State (well I hope so, unless its leaders are stupider than I thought) at these words by a Republican, when quite foolishly it has always thought the Republicans better friends of Pakistan just because they are better friends to despots anywhere in the world.
The real question, however, is whether we Pakistanis are learning anything at all. Just last night the newest sensation to hit the talk shows, the youngest-looking retired air marshal in the universe, was saying that the Americans were actually only using this country for their own purposes. He did not address the point that if Pakistan was being used, it was being used because its leaders, mostly army dictators aided and abetted by the other services chiefs, wanted it to be used; because there was lucre aplenty to go around; because US-supplied tanks and jeeps and weapons and fighter aircraft were, and are, critical to our defence needs. To say nothing of the sacks full of cash that went straight to the coffers of the establishment.
Indeed all the participants, barring one, were of the view that the United States is more of an adversary than a friend. Neither are they alone, not by a long shot. Imran Khan thinks the same, touting the drone attacks as proof. Indeed, he has said he will go as far as to shoot down the drones (with what weapon he does not tell us, though) if he is in charge of Pakistan and if the Americans do not desist. Other rightist parties, led by the religio-political parties as seen in the Difa-e-Pakistan conglomerate widely believed to be an adjunct of the Deep State, hate America too.
Indeed, every poll taken over recent years shows that most Pakistanis consider America as, at the very least, not a friend, fuelled by incendiary narratives from the ghairatmand parts of our media, fuelled in turn by, you guessed it. Let us then differ with Romney about the timing being wrong for an American divorce from Pakistan. The timing is just right.
Nothing will galvanise our greedy elite groups, both civilian and military, than a cut-off of all aid which they largely misuse for their own purposes anyway, be they BMW-7 Series limos or other perks and privileges; or and indeed expensive weapons systems when a war with anyone is the furthest thing on the Pakistani horizon. Let there be a realisation that there is no free lunch; that the Pakistani establishment will have to make up its mind one way or the other on fighting the main menace: the monstrous jihadis who not only threaten Afghanistan and our other neighbours, but who are also threatening the very foundations of our own state and country.
Indeed, once reality begins to bite, ordinary citizens will sit up and understand that foreign relations cannot be run on fancy notions alone; that possessing one or two hundred bums and X number of missiles that can carry them does not at all mean the country is strong. And that all we have been fed by the Paknationalists and their ilk is poppycock. Most importantly, that no country can live in isolation, not even bum-infested Pakistan.
A word about the letting-go of Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy by LUMS for several reasons that can be found on the Internet, all of them glaringly spurious. Whilst I have immense respect for the founders of LUMS, particularly Syed Babar Ali who also set up the once-upon-a-time well-considered Ali Institute. I have an observation to make. If the Ali Institute could lose the most well-respected Dr AH Nayyar, why can’t LUMS lose Dr Hoodbhoy?
Published in The Express Tribune, October 26th, 2012.
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@Sultan No more!
@K B Kale:
You are wrong again. I was just trying to finish off the three points we were supposed to discuss with our co-agent gp65 over tea and samosas. Sir Creek was the last one of the three!
@gp65 @K B Kale Please do not feed the trolls in the future. Entire comment board troll-ified.
@Sultan: In view of your obvious keenness to have the last word in discussins with everybody, I have decided to let you have it! God bless you!
@K B Kale:
Thank you for more placebo. Shall I serve the samosas and we move on to discussing Sir Creek?
@Sultan: Wow! When a Sultan cracks a ' PJ', we Ghulams must laugh heatily! But you are really funny! Who else would have seen. 'kaleji' in Kale-ji Wow! Jai Ho!
@gp65:
Wow, I was looking forward to a "civilised" tea party but the K word ruined it again! Should I feed to samosas to your co-agent, Kaleji (liver?) now and try discussing Sir Creek?
Another master piece from Shafi sahib. He is one of the most intelligent analyst in Pakistan who always gives sound and logical advice to both military and civil establishments but I am afraid they do just the opposite and no wonder the country is on the brink. Pakistan is going the North Korea way in piling up nukes at the cost of its economy. However, Pakistan is going a step further by continuing its decades old policy of supporting militant organisations and thus getting further isolated from rest of the world.
@Sultan: Clearly you have comprehension problems. Coagents do not communicate with each other on these boards. They would have contact details for each others. If you noticed, Kale ji was asking fro my email which I did not provide.But you can stew in your hatred. Have fun.
@K B Kale:
Really? Forget making Hoodbhoy president of india, just get home a work visa and a job at IIT to prove your egalitarian credentials. I will see which indian President is going to approve his application. More piffle from the land of balderdash.
@gp65:
"You are a patriotic Pakistani and write quite well but your opinions will get discounted – not just by Indians – but by some of your more level headed compatriots if you make unprovoked ad hominen attacks on anyone you even perceive you have a disagreement with. If you stay around for a while, you will find that many Indians and Pakistanis manage to conduct perfectly civil discussions here and learn from each other and refine our viewpoints – knowing full well that in some areas we may not agree."
I am patriotic Pakistani whose brain also happens to be clear of the ideological fog you and your co-agents so tactfully spread in these forums. Let me get some facts straight for you: 1) we were once indian but not anymore--Pakistan is a reality, whether you agree or not. 2) we had some things in common with indians once but with the passage of time, with the exception if food and some language, this has dwindled to almost nothing. We have no reason or desire to talk to any indians other than to discuss the issue of Kashmir, Sir Creek, and the Indus Water accord--the rest is just private chit chat willing adults in both countries can do, if they so desire. If you want to start a "perfectly civil" discussion as you describe in your comment above, then let's start with one of these three topics. Once we have resolved these issues, I will go back to talking to the so many non indian civilised people I deal with on a daily basis--I do not need a "conversation with an indian" fix to go through my day. Is that clear, Ms. Piffle?
I will put some hot water up for tea now. Woulld you like some somosas with it? Shall we start with Kashmir?
@Sultan, Dear Sultan-bhai, don't you feel an iota of sorrow to let go such a gem of a person as Dr Hoodbhoy to MIT or our IITs? We would, of course, welcome him!
Just look at how we honoured our No.1 scientist Hon. APJ Abdul Kalam! We made him our President! This is how we treat our top-notch people!
Now look at your own A Q Khan, the "father of Pakistani Bomb" whom Musharraf put under house arrest just to save his own skin. Had AQK not migrated to your country from Bhopal in India, he also might have been in Rashtrapati Bhavan like APJ Abdul Kalam!
What a waste, I say!
@gp65: (1) Well said, gp65! I have always admired your levelheadedness. I couldn't have done it so well! God bless you.
(2) The mail by Prof Hoodbhoy is more like a bulk mail and if I had felt it was a personal communication, I wouldn't have offered to share it with you! Anyway, it is not easy to share our e-mail IDs here in the open what with so many Badshahs feeling uncomfortable! So let us leave it at that.
(3) Sultan-ji, India aur Pakistan donon mulkonko dostee kay siva koi doosara raastaa nahi hai, isliye samazdaareese kaam lo! Khuda Hafiz!
@Sultan: "@gp65: Ah, the little love nest of indian agents is being exposed in broad daylight. Why don’t you all get together after your call centre shift tonight and discuss a new way to plant the seeds of sedition amongst the idiot part of the Pakistani nation? Your current strategy has backfired big time! "
IT is unclear what you are reacting so violently to. I happen to admire Dr. Hoodbhoy and am distressed that it should come to this - so I do not even think there is an actual disagreement between your position and mine.
Also somehow you think that calling someone a call centre agent is offensive. If I were a call centre agent I would not be offended since there is no shame in trying to improve one's station in life through hard work.Not everyone is born with a silver spoon.
You are a patriotic Pakistani and write quite well but your opinions will get discounted - not just by Indians - but by some of your more level headed compatriots if you make unprovoked ad hominen attacks on anyone you even perceive you have a disagreement with. If you stay around for a while, you will find that many Indians and Pakistanis manage to conduct perfectly civil discussions here and learn from each other and refine our viewpoints - knowing full well that in some areas we may not agree.
@K B Kale:
No big deal. LUMS is a private institution working under the capitalist model of profit, not patronage. If it decides to not retain Hoodbhoy, it must have done the profitability analysis and found out that he was more of a cost than a source of revenue. And besides, Hoodbhoy is such a big name in Physics--he should be able to get a tenured position at MIT, his alma mater, in Cambridge in the US or at any of the IITs in india at world renowned Physics programs without any problem. Good bye Mr. Chips!
@gp65:
Ah, the little love nest of indian agents is being exposed in broad daylight. Why don't you all get together after your call centre shift tonight and discuss a new way to plant the seeds of sedition amongst the idiot part of the Pakistani nation? Your current strategy has backfired big time!
Dear Outspoken, you are being a little too outspoken here. Spilling the LUMS beans.
The real mystery is not why Pervez Hoodbhoy's contract is not being renewed. Our outspoken friend has made that abundantly clear, absentee professorism didn't work and his demands too high for LUMS. The real myster is ehy the LUMS Vice Chancellor Dr Adil Najam has been quiet on this and made no clarification even despite the many attacks on LUMS and many cheap hits on him personally. Only possible explanation is that as PHs old friend and fan he dors not want to embarrass PH any more than he is already embarassing himself! Poor Dr. Najam may be too much of a gentleman to play in Pakistan's petty politics and is being done by his friend PH. Najam had left a stellar academic career in US to return to Pakistan. Seems luke the pettiness of Pakustan academia will send him back.
@K B Kale: Thank you for your kind offer. Greatly appreciated. I do however feel that email written to you in confidence should stay in confidence. OF course if Hoodbhoy saab chooses make the inforation public and write an OpEd stating his stand on the issue, I will be the first to read it.
@GP65 I have received a detailed e-mail from Dr. Hoodbhoy but don't know where to forward it to you.u
@Outspoken: Dear Sir/Madam Outspoken, I write regularly to him and though I am nobody in front of him, he always replies not only politely but also promptly. I can't see any trace of his being a 'bully' as you have alleged. Today I received his mail to my query and it is really in detail and polite. He has replied to all allegations/reasons that were given to him at different times and I feel that he is a polite person who has been 'hit' for reasons that do not appear proper. He is a great personality and some 'high-handedness' could be expected, but I can't find any trace of it in his reply. In that respect, I would equate him to our APJ Abdul Kalam! Earlier also I had written to him about his article on the claims of an invention of "a car running on water" that attracted more than 800 responses. When I wrote to him, he was prompt & explained his point of view in detail. So I must disagree with you here. Biggest loss of his discontinuation from LUMS is to his poor students!
@K B Kale: "Like you, I have enjoyed reading the columns of Dr Hoodbhoy. What happened to him? I tried to find out on Wiki, but there is nothing there. Could you please elaborate. Regards & thanks".
Dear Kale ji, hope this url answers your questions. http://tribune.com.pk/story/456391/lums-vs-hoodbhoy-im-losing-job-for-ideological-reasons-says-professor/
The Pervez Hoodbhoy saga is the story of Pakistan. No one hurts us more than we hurt ourselves. Egos are too big and we spend more time in discrediting each other than in doing anything constructive. I wish Pervez had stayed at LUMS. If nothing else he is a big name and a good decoration piece. I know that LUMS actually worked very hard to keep him. But those of us who know Pervez also know that he is a bully. We love him still because he can also bully for a cause, but this time he was a bully only for his personal benefit. In fact, his contract would have ended last year but the new LUMS VC (an old PH friend) stepped in to have it extended last year (remember, that is the post-dated contract given to him). The problem was that PH was really not there most of the time. He still lived in Islamabad, came just for class and then insisted that classes be shifted to suit his schedule (last year he forced his class on two consecutive days which meant students had to drop 2 classes to be in his). Then he would just cancel classes at little or no notice, throw tantrums with colleagues, a big scandal when he had all his grading done by a TA instead of himself. Overall, just too much airs and by end of it had alienated not just the Dean (who himself has too big an ego) but most of the faculty including all the liberals. At the end, the real jhagra was LUMS asking Pervez to take campus duties more seriously and his saying, 'Oh, but I already do.' Maybe its just that he was used to QAU standards and trying to apply those. The fact is LUMS is a deeply liberal and progressive place and was so much before Pervez and will remain so much after him. The sad part is that while many people at LUMS have contracts ending, some get renewed and some dont, in this case LUMS and LUMS VC kept trying to find a way forward for months that would keep Pervez at LUMS. But egos are bad bad things. Egos in bullies are worse. Even when the ego and the bully is our friend. Pervez, we love you and what you stand for. But in this case you have hurt the right causes, not helped them. Sorry, mate. Please do not self-destruct.
Sad story on Pervez Hoodbhoy. No conspiracy here at all. His contract ended and University was willing for him to continue teaching but as Adjunct because he was not at University most of the time. He wanted to not do full-time work but get full-time salary and perks. LUMS even gave him an apartment on campus but he was in Islamabad and out of country most week. That has been the jhagra. Sad to see the reputations of two institutions being messed up in this sordid affair: LUMS and Pervez Hoodbhoy.
Dear Shafisahab, Another excellent article. Thanks. I couldn't understand what you have said in the sentence below: "A word about the letting-go of Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy by LUMS for several reasons that can be found on the Internet, all of them glaringly spurious." Like you, I have enjoyed reading the columns of Dr Hoodbhoy. What happened to him? I tried to find out on Wiki, but there is nothing there. Could you please elaborate. Regards & thanks. K B Kale, Jakarta
Looks like the DRONES will continue to buzz the Pakistan sky.
@Bilal Asad: What is said and what actually happens is most of the time inconsistant ..
The world knows that "the US encourages democracy in the countries it interferes" is a lame excuse to justify its interference. All the US has ever wanted in any country it interferes in is a dictator so that its job will be easy to lure a single person. When the dictators of Pakistan have sold their country, why do you blame the US? Blame your dictators! I don't think anybody will give free money. And what the USA is doing is demanding its pound of flesh from Pakistan.
You have hit the nail on the head. Decidedly one of your best pieces so far.
Loved your article! Superb writing & wish we have more writers like you in our country.
In Pakistan inaction seems to be the best course of action. How long this situation persists in anybody's guess. It is time Parliament starts taking the tough decisions needed to put the country on the road to progress and prosperity. The infrastructure of Terrorism has to be dismantled but that cannot happen without reformation of the Education curriculum and deflating the Jihadi ideology fueling the violence.
Obviously Romney doesn't understand the hierarchy in Pakistan. You, a retired major from the army, should have set him right in your column. The ISI is headed by a serving officer from the army. He reports to the army chief, Kayani in this instance, and as such the ISI (and every other institution in the country) is subservient to the army and in particular to its chief.
@Khan of Jandul: Excellent analysis. Unfortunately I can only recommend once.
Romney also said: ""I congratulate him (Obama) on taking out Osama... but we can't kill our way out of this mess. We're gonna have to put in place a comprehensive and robust strategy" -Romney" (Were you listening, Kamran Shafi?)
@Indian Wisdom:
More piffle and Malarkey!
"Let us then differ with Romney about the timing being wrong for an American divorce from Pakistan. The timing is just right. Nothing will galvanise our greedy elite groups, both civilian and military, than a cut-off of all aid which they largely misuse for their own purposes anyway,"
If that can happen, it will really be a divorce which was a win win for both.
But i feel even this divorce would fail to galvanise your target audience, as they will find other sources , to exploit resources for their own purposes anyway, and these sources could be anyone ranging from some good old friend from middle east to the hermit kingdom!!! However elite groups will not have to look for any other source as both of the party know quite well that they will remain entangled in this muddy mess for a quite long time.No divorce and no galvanization..............
The stance of the US towards Pakistan, no matter which of the two leading candidates wins the Presidential election, is unlikely to become more favourable. Immediately after the pull out of US and NATO forces Pakistan and the US have to have a discussion in terms of what each side wants/expects of the other and what ech can deliver. Given the control of the military-mullah axis on policy making in Pakistan, which in decades past has created disasters for the country, it is not wise to be optimistic on this front.
Re the Hoodbhoy issue you are not alone in expressing respect for Syed Babar Ali's many contributions to society in many fields. He must, however, learn not to micro-manage institutions that he creates. He loves gossip and has spies running all over the place at LUMS who carry tales to him and then he reacts depending on his mood that day. Hoodbhoy, as we all know, is not in the good books of the military and the ISI. On the other hand Syed Babar Ali and his family have close relations with this bunch without which they could never have earned mountains of wealth for the Ali Group. This is validated by the fact that Ali Group blossomed in the days of Ayub Khan. Later, when the evil Zia created the notorious Majlis-i-Shuraa, Syed Babar Ali (who is not a professional politician) was selected as a member. He is very close to the generals and has been arm-twisted into getting rid of Hoodbhoy from LUMS. What a sad day for quality education in Pakistan and what a shame this had to happen! If the decision is not reversed the jewel that is LUMS will become as meaningless and irrelevant as the Ali Institute.
Whether or not nuclear bums go into the hands of radicals no one knows but isn't it- that these bumbs are allready in use for atleast fourteen years.What is then nuclear black mail. '-Don't mess with us' - is a kind of attitude that refflects the mindeset of establishment.
“You’ve got the ISI, their intelligence organisation is probably the most powerful of the — of the three branches there."
Powerful? They are rather required to be the most intelligent ones, not the most powerful ones. And, if past performance is any indicator, they are anything but intelligent.
@Author:
"It’s a nation that’s not like — like others and that does not have a civilian leadership that is calling the shots there."
As if army personnel are Indian nationals or from planet Mars. I have no problem with who makes the decisions as long as they are patriotic Pakistanis. How the current lot of politicians is better than anybody else, criminals included. Who owns Surrey Palace, Park Lane, and Edgeware Road properties?
I watched all 3 encounters and the last one of was the least heated. It appears both sides agree on the will to carry on war or terror and improving relationship with EU in general. It appears divorcing Pakistan is not on the agenda yet by both the contestants. But Pakistan must improve its image and strive for more liberal policies and keep away from the terrorist groups.