Lahore attacks: 18 killed, 190 injured

Published: September 1, 2010
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Fire erupts from a police truck and a motorbike torched by protesters after bomb explosions. PHOTO: AFP

Fire erupts from a police truck and a motorbike torched by protesters after bomb explosions. PHOTO: AFP

Fire erupts from a police truck and a motorbike torched by protesters after bomb explosions. PHOTO: AFP Protesters burn police vehicles following the three blasts. PHOTO: ONLINE Screen capture of blast site seconds after the explosion.

LAHORE: Eighteen people have been killed and more than 190 injured in a series of suicide blasts at a Yaum-e-Shahadat Ali (RA) procession procession near Karbala Gamay Shah in Lahore, on Wednesday.

The injured have been admitted to Sir Ganga Ram, Services and Mayo Hospitals where an emergency has been declared.

A Suspect belonging to a banned outfit was arrested from Imamia Colony, Shahdara. According to police sources, the suspect was praising someone e for the Lahore blasts over the phone.

The first of the three blasts took place in the centre of a large crowd outside the Imambargah right after Iftaar.

Rescue sources say many of people were injured in a subsequent stampede that followed. Hospital sources say six of the wounded succumbed to their injuries at Sir Ganga Ram Hospital.

A huge demonstration followed the blasts at Bhati Chowk where the protestors damaged many vehicles including three police vehicles, and hurled stones on the police.

The angry mob also set ablaze the Lower Mall police station.

According to the police, strict security arrangements had been made for the procession. Police sources also say that the heads of two of suicide bombers have been recovered.

Rangers have also been called in to Lahore to control the situation.

End of live updates

9:14pm

Express 24/7 reports that police arrived three hours late to the blast site. No major political figure has shown up at either the blast site or the hospitals.

9:02pm

According to reports on Express News, there were three suicide bombers who attacked the procession. The first suicide bomber took a route from Ghaznavi Steet, Urdu Bazaar and tried to attack the centre of the procession, while the second suicide bomber tried to attack the front and the third the tail of the procession. The first suicide bomber appeared to be 18 years old. The procession was attacked around Iftar time when the procession was supposed to be coming to an end after reaching Karbala Gamay Shah.

9:oopm

Lahore CCPO presents a new picture of the attacks, claiming that only two of the blasts were suicide attacks. He added that police officials had prior notice that a terrorist attack may take place.

Rangers have been deployed across Lahore to control the situation.

8:50pm

Lahore Commissioner Khusro Pervaiz has confirmed the three blasts were suicide attacks.

FarrukhSiddiqui Blood urgently required for the victims of lahore blast,Tweeples plz contact any hospital near you & Be safe#Lahore #HelpPakistan

8:35pm

Eighteen people have been killed while more than 100 others are reported to have been injured.

Sources say six victims succumbed to their injuries in Sir Ganga Ram Hospital.

abidifactor Rangers Called in #Lahore – Policemen trapped in burning police station.

According to initial reports, the suicide bomber at Bhati Chowk approached police officials who abandoned their station, at which point the bomber blew himself up.

Express News reports that all 3 blasts were suicide attacks.

8:20pm

Police claim to have made strict security arrangements for the procession, while security was put on high alert after a firing incident on a similar procession in Saddar, Karachi.

itstanveer PML (N) Haneef abbasi is saying IG Punjab should be sacked he is not capable enough #Lahore #Pakistan #pakmedia

Rezhasan Geo News reports Lashkar-e-Jhangvi al-Almi has claimed responsibility for #Lahore blasts

umaronline Excessive use of tear gas by police on rioters in#Lahore#Pakistan. What else could they do? Police being targeted for #securitylapse

8:15pm

Express 24/7 reports aerial firing by police to scatter protesters. However, shots were fired back from the angered mob prompting a gun battle in the streets.

Authorities believes the delay in the second blast suggests the attack was well-planned to target security officials who arrived at the blast site.

8:05pm

Public anger and emotions run high as Express 24/7 reports a lack of security at hospitals. Scenes of chaos and mayhem have been witnessed in adjoining streets to the blast sites.

Angered mob sets Lower Mall police station on fire.

Faria_Khan_How long before the PM, CM, & Int. Minister appear on TV & condemn the blasts? While offering no solution. DO YOUR JOB! #Pakistan #Lahore

Rezhasan hain Lahore Commissioner Khusro Pervaiz hasn’t blamed RAW for #Lahore blasts as yet?

8:00pm

The injured have been hospitalised while emergency has been declared in Sir Ganga Ram, Services and Mayo Hospitals.

Rescue sources say many of people got injured in a subsequent stampede.

7:50pm

Lahore Commissioner Khusro Pervaiz says security could have been better. Death toll stands at 8 with up to 100 injured. Angry mobs have dispersed from the blast sites and are damaging public property in the city.

According to those present in the procession police officials were not conducting proper checks.

HamidSheikh No more tears.no more pain. the terrorist have achieved their goal. #pakistan has become a numb place with the living dead #lahore #karachi

Faria_Khan_GEO: Now broadcasting footage of people beating a police officer. Savages. #Pakistan #Lahore

umaronline Anger and frustration on the streets of #Lahore,#Pakistan. A nation in struggle home and abroad.

quest4clarity @AmmarYasir Seriously where do the Shia’s go from here? Or any minority sect in this case? #Lahore #Pakistan#sectarianviolence

7:45pm

Questions are being asked about security arrangements for the procession. Participants in the procession claim that adequate measures were not in place.

Heads of two suspected suicide bombers have been found from the scene of the attack. 88 people have been injured so far.

Rubab SAMAA reports that suspected suicide bomber is female. I wish it is no more politicized Internationally.. #Lahore B#last

HamidSheikh Data Darbar #lahore is a few minutes away and ppl jes sat an AEITIKAAF yesterday. those ppl must be hell scared!#pakistan

kashaziz civil govt has failed to maintain peace, control should be handed over to Army ASAP if state has to survive. #Karachi#Lahore

7:40pm

Police using batons to disperse the crowd. 8 people are now confirmed dead.

7:35pm

Two blast have been confirmed as suicide attacks.

abidifactor Female Suicide Bomber! #Lahore

7:30pm

Six dead, 60 injured in the blasts so far. The Bhati Chowk blast has been confirmed as a suicide attack by authorities.

HamidSheikh #lahore under fire again..why are we paying for this?? :( #pakistan

sarahnaq is there any law n order,security?#khi jaloos firing n 2 blast #lahore at iftar time.

quest4clarity The country is barely trying to survive a natural disaster and now this?! Surely these people CANNOT be Pakistani’s. #Lahore #Pakistan

7:28pm

Police sources say they were checking a suspect near Bhati gate when he/she blew himself up.

One police constable and a child have been killed in the attacks.

7:26pm

The death toll from the three blast continues to rise as 50 people have been confirmed injured in the attacks.

7:25pm

Three explosions have left four dead, 25 injured in Lahore.

The third explosion occurred outside Karbala Gamay Shah.

7:20pm

One killed in second explosion at Bhati Chowk.

Reports from the first blast at Karbala Gamay Shah suggest the explosion was caused by an IED. Twenty five people have been injured in the first blast.

7:17pm

The second blast has taken place at Bhati Chowk.

Roughly 1,500 people were taking part in the Lahore procession.

7:15pm

A second blast has occurred within 30 minutes of the first blast.

First blast

A blast has taken place in the Yaum-e-S hahadat Ali (RA) procession near Karbala Gamay Shah. Eight people are said to be injured in the attack.

Visuals on Express News showed scenes of a blast taking place in the centre of a large crowd. According to initial reports, the blast is of low intensity and no serious casualties have been reported. Ambulances and security personnel are present at the blast site.

Some enraged citizens have clashed with the police and exchanged heated words, blaming security personnel for not providing adequate security.

Earlier today, three people were injured in a firing incident at Empress Market in Karachi when unknown assailants attacked a Yaum-i-Shahadat Hazrat Ali (RA) procession.

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Reader Comments (58)

  • Syed A. Mateen
    Sep 1, 2010 - 7:16PM

    The enemies of Pakistan are once again trying to create sectarian rift between the two sects.

    People should remain calm so that enemies of Pakistan should not be able to implement their nefarious agenda. Recommend

  • Mango man
    Sep 1, 2010 - 7:17PM

    Yes its Ramadan and yes it was the yom-e-Shahdat-e ALI(AS)..
    now lets just wait for REHMAN MALIK to involve INDIA in this. Recommend

  • Hasan
    Sep 1, 2010 - 7:24PM

    Hate speech, hate speech…we must ban hate speech. Hate speech kills.Recommend

  • Nadir El Edroos
    Sep 1, 2010 - 7:35PM

    Waitin to hear: we cannot rule out the inolvement of RAW.Recommend

  • Reddy
    Sep 1, 2010 - 8:03PM

    This absolutely unbeleivable.
    For a people who beleive in Allah so much, who cherish the month of Ramadhan so dearly,this kind of carnage at places of worship must be absolutely numbing.
    What do these people want ???????????
    What is the purpose of this suicide attack?
    There must be something that they want and need.
    Why cant the govt find out and try and talk to these people.
    We cant empathise because we dont understand what is happening.
    We cant sympathise because we dont know what is happening.
    How do you react to something like this?????????????????????????????
    How do we react to something like this ?????????????????????????????Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 8:06PM

    Every type of procession should be banned in Pakistan. No sect should be allowed to march on roads.Recommend

  • Khadimhussainsubhpoto
    Sep 1, 2010 - 8:16PM

    Condemn these barbaric suicide bombings vociferourlsy and fearlessly. Don’t be merely countred among the onlookers and silent spectators. Preach and spread love. Promote brotherhood and unity. Stop hate-mongers and violence-mongers. Empty your mind of ill-will, grudge, prejudice and rancour. Help spread tolerance among different sects who are all Muslims, believing in oneness of Allah and having boundless love for our beloved Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him)Recommend

  • Muzaffar
    Sep 1, 2010 - 8:22PM

    All evidence at the moment points to Mossad and RAW Joint operation. Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 8:27PM

    Yes, Blame India. Indians are doing all this. They are responsible for all of Pakistan’s problems. Sending waters to flood Pakistan. TTP is also creation of India. Cricket match fixing? India again. Let the flood victims suffer but taking help from the infidels? No way!!
    All I can say is GROW UP PAKISTAN. This is 2010… not 1010!Recommend

  • Fayaz
    Sep 1, 2010 - 8:38PM

    That is a very bad news, now as what had happened could not be reversed but we expect from the authorities to conduct a good investigation to get the culprits behind the bar and also determine that what were the lacks in security plan so that same mistake should be avoided next time..
    God bless us allRecommend

  • anam
    Sep 1, 2010 - 8:51PM

    Targetting minorities, pathetic. this is an attempt to create uprising in society. my appeal to everyone, please try to stay calm.Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 9:23PM

    i am speechless……
    Allah meray Pakistan par apni rehmat nazil kary
    AmeenRecommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 9:25PM

    Ajit Harisinghani i do agree with you!Recommend

  • Ghausia
    Sep 1, 2010 - 10:17PM

    To the people blaming RAW and India; You’re all a bunch of morons that contribute to the nation’s lack of progress.

    What is the point of taking out processions btw? I’ve never heard of any religious reason to do so, aren’t we supposed to pray for the souls of the departed on the day of their shahadat, and not take to the streets making life miserable for others and endangering their own?Recommend

  • Anon
    Sep 1, 2010 - 10:18PM

    @Muzaffar, I agree. Within minutes of the blast there was overwhelming evidence that this was a RAW and Mossad joint operation, with the CIA, MI6 and the Afghan NDS providing logistical support. Pakistani liberals were likely involved in the planning process. The bombers themselves may be Pakistani but evidence shows that Martian technology secreted away in Area 59 by the Zionists controlling the CIA was being used to remotely mind-control the bombers. This is the same technology that has also been supplied to RAW to create the entire TTP, who are otherwise upstanding citizens. Once the Mossad/RAW/CIA/MI6/NDS/liberal/Martian inspired death-toll reaches 666,666 the Illuminati will reveal themselves to the world and conduct a lost occult ritual that will make them omnipotent and infinitely virile. Translation: please grow the hell up. Recommend

  • an
    Sep 1, 2010 - 10:25PM

    Another reminder of what damage has been done to religious harmony by anti ahmadiyya laws by the state. All started by so called secular leader Bhutto to gain sympathies from religious right and to become leader of the islamic world. Sadly Shias also sided with extremists at that time to declare ahmadis non muslim now they are facing the same treatment as ahmadis. It is time for all minorities and Shias to to form an allaince against extremism and protect each other. Shias should leave alliances of religious parties like jamaat islami and others. All should work together to return to secular pakistan as envisioned by Jinnah.Recommend

  • MMA
    Sep 1, 2010 - 10:26PM

    For people wondering why police vans were torched… Right after the blast women were running into the lanes and streets in panic and they were beaten with sticks by Punjab police officials… Not only did they FAIL to protect, but they beat innocent victims who were WOMEN… Recommend

  • Jumma Gul khan
    Sep 1, 2010 - 10:33PM

    Damn cockroaches!Recommend

  • Imtiaz
    Sep 1, 2010 - 11:26PM

    Another sad day, and then there is the Prime Minister of Pakistan declaring miscreants will be brought to justice – unfortunately not in this life time. Someone should inform his highness that the miscreants are dead – it was a suicide attack. Recommend

  • Mohammad tauseef
    Sep 1, 2010 - 11:52PM

    Please grow up.

    People who are telling this nation that all this is work of RAW or Mossad are terribly ignorant or else blatant liars. The ISI and the Security Agencies of this country are the ones who have created these monsters that feed on hatred and ignorance.

    These people were supposed to be used as strategic assets but there are splinter groups from the same organizations that have grown out of control and are causing the havoc. Its all hushed up, and no one is willing up to expose them. Even the so-called Geo and other networks seem to be tongue-tied against them. There are no real investigative reporting because all such roads lead to the Security Apparatus of this country.

    These people openly declare other sects as Kafir, Murtid and Wajib-ul-qatl. Its all open. Look around you and I’m sure you would recall reading somewhere “Shia Kafir” or about killing Ahmadis or others.

    Its so simple and happening in front of all of us but we are unable to see it because our bias stops us from seeing the daylight. What more can I say? The institutions and ideology that we look up to solve our problems are the root cause of our problems. Recommend

  • S. Ali Raza
    Sep 2, 2010 - 12:52AM

    People calling for processions to halt, especially religious ones, are actually helping the terrorist in achieving their gains! We need awareness, economic stability, and future security to stop this with a revolution only. Sadly, none of the above are available. Recommend

  • Syed Naqwi
    Sep 2, 2010 - 1:12AM

    @mr Tanzeel all these processions should be banned. What next praying in mosques should be banned. What you are saying is exactly what these banned and terrorist are willing to do.Recommend

  • Bhutto
    Sep 2, 2010 - 1:14AM

    RAW and MOSSADRecommend

  • Abbas
    Sep 2, 2010 - 2:00AM

    @Tanzeel and @ Ghausia…..I dont want to give any aggressive answer but logic is that if we stooped mourning and procession then we will be dead as our sect. is live due to Imam Hussain A.S Mourning. if all these were stooped in history then there isn’t any shia or Islam….Enemy that time was Yazid (lanatullah), and now is America and Israel……Yazidiat is system which apperaed in every Era….and we have to protest…we respect other’s beliefs, such procession serve great cause and that is to bring wise Govt. for whole world….
    ” They call us a nation of tears but with these tears we thrown an empire ” Imam Khomene R.ARecommend

  • Abdullah
    Sep 2, 2010 - 2:01AM

    Allah’s and all muslims curse on taliban, laskar-e-jhangvi, sipah sahabh and other terrorist organizations. USA is doing good job by killing these evil people br drone attacks. they have to be killed liked this wayRecommend

  • Abdullah
    Sep 2, 2010 - 2:04AM

    I think government has to support drone attacks on talibans. this way these evil people can be finishedRecommend

  • Naqsh Khan
    Sep 2, 2010 - 2:51AM

    The blood of Pakistani nation is very cheap. Anyone can spill it, anywhere, in whatever fashion s/he pleases.

    Banning the processions is not a solution. The death dealers, like rodents, can enter anywhere, at any time.

    Revival of the original ideology of Pakistan, as its founding fathers aspired, is the only solution. The journey towards a secular Pakistan has to start immediately if we are to get out of this mess, ever. That’s the future of Pakistan.

    An “Islamic” Pakistan gives tentacles to the preachers of hate and sectarian prejudice. The leaders of Pakistan shall come out of the delusion that there is a hallo behind their head. They shall not act as “guardians of Islam”, because there is no single Islam today. While people may like carry on with their religions, the state needs to be secular.

    That’s our truest destiny, if we are to exist as a nation.Recommend

  • Schazad
    Sep 2, 2010 - 3:33AM

    Madness this is, my heart goes out to the shaheed and wounded people. Please Allah do something if you are there and watching all this, PleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRecommend

  • mehdi army
    Sep 2, 2010 - 4:19AM

    There should be a ban on all religious processions all over the country. Whoever wants to practice any ritual, it should be within the boundaries of religious buildings. Recommend

  • ahmed
    Sep 2, 2010 - 4:45AM

    nice article about Pakistan’s pathetic sense of moral outrage.
    http://amaurosis-fugax.blogspot.com/2010/08/in-defense-of-sialkot-mob.html
    Recommend

  • Qadri
    Sep 2, 2010 - 5:11AM

    @ Muzaffar

    You are blaming foreign powers, I agree with you in a sense that new name of Taliban & Deobandis is Blackwater and Raw, and they both are involved in each and every act of terrorism.Recommend

  • faraz
    Sep 2, 2010 - 5:11AM

    Our strategic assets/extremists have struck againRecommend

  • MM
    Sep 2, 2010 - 6:33AM

    Waiting for yet Another COMMITTEE to be made to investigate this incident, where do these comittees go after few days, no reports/no analysis/no arrests/no results, why do we even pay taxes (I meant only 1% of the population who pay taxes) to govt to make these good for nothing (delaying tactics) committees.Recommend

  • IMRAN
    Sep 2, 2010 - 8:56AM

    The Fiqa e Jafferia must realise that taking out processions every now and then is just calling for trouble in these times of extreme insecurity prevailing in the country.
    Burning public and Govt properties thereafter is therefore condemnable.

    Government must ban all such processions as there are no resourses available within the country to provide foolproof protection to each and every procession,which are by hundred of numbers on such days. Recommend

  • Syed Naqwi
    Sep 2, 2010 - 3:37PM

    well it isn’t only fiqah e jafferia who these terrorists are targeting. these bigots are going for any group who are against their ideology including suni tehreek and ahmdeyai. what about the attacks on ahmdiya mosques. they were praying within the vicinity of their buildings but they got attacked. we should condemn these attacks and try to minimise them by beefing up the security and by promoting tolerance within ourselves. instead calling for the religious groups to stop their processions.Recommend

  • Mango man
    Sep 2, 2010 - 4:41PM

    @ tanzeel
    yeah and you ladies should not go to the markets for shopping. MOON MARKET bombing like incident may occur.
    is this the solution what you mentioned??? to ban minorities from following there religion properly. to make them sit infront of TV in living rooms and not go outside!!!

    sick sick mentality.!!!!Recommend

  • Bunty
    Sep 2, 2010 - 4:57PM

    Why is everyone suddenly against the idea of foreign involvement? Is the RAW some peace-loving organisation which wants a ‘stable’ Pakistan? I don;t think so. They have their own interests when it comes to Pakistan and history has shown that they have done much more savage operations in the country. Why can;t RAW be involved in this? Recommend

  • Tauseef
    Sep 2, 2010 - 5:21PM

    Dear Bunty,

    RAW isn’t involved because they don’t need to. There have been and are organizations operating in this country whose declared aim is to target one muslim sect or other. These organization have militant wings. And they were formed and did operate under the noses of milutary and democratic Government, which means they operated with the consent of Pakistani Establishment.

    They wish to impose their versions of Islam and call other Kafirs and Wajib-ul-Qatl.

    Pakistani Army and ISI need similar zealots to support the proxy war in Kashmir or provide strategic depth to their eastern borders.

    Hope you’d dare to think about it.Recommend

  • Fayaz
    Sep 2, 2010 - 8:06PM

    Hundred percent agreed with syed Naqvi, what justification do we have regarding attack on Ahmdi’s place of prayers, they were just inside the walls, were they protected !
    I don’t think putting an hault on all the religions activities could do any good untill and unless the authorities open their eyes and instead of making new committees for investigation and giving hollow promises that the culprits would soon be arrested, when does that happen on the results of any so called committees.
    I do not think any society in the entire world is completely protected from this or other types of threats and barbarian acts but what differs them from us is that their institutions are working as what is required or created for, resulting in real and properly investigation which eventually put the culprits behind the bars which leads or become a example for the bad peoples to think twice before doing something wrong.Recommend

  • Hasan
    Sep 3, 2010 - 1:56AM

    Taliban have accepted responsibility for attacks, in revenge for Sipah-e-Sahaba’s leader’s death.

    Don’t condemn Sipah-e-Sahaba however, Rana Sanaullah may get upset.Recommend

  • wisdom
    Sep 3, 2010 - 11:02AM

    @ Mr.Naqvi wisdom do suggest that there are ways and means to go about your obligations.When you resort to hundreds of such processions and knowing that they can a target for terrorists then do not expect security as you are yourself compromising on it. Secondly because of frequent processions you also endanger the others road users who are not part of your processions.And I tell you Hazrat Ali and Hazrat Imam Hussain AS never preached people to carry fake coffin boxes and expose people to such dangers.Today so many mothers are crying for their loved ones.Will it not be a good idea that you restrict your self to safer compounds. Recommend

  • Syed Naqwi
    Sep 3, 2010 - 12:41PM

    ok wisdom what you will say about the bomb blast in data darbar or ahmdi mosques. they were praying in the buildings but they got attacked. the next thing you gonna say that hazrat ali and imam hussain according to you hasn’t approved shias they have only approved the sunni majority of muslim oh no they haven’t approved them as well actually they approved the ideas of taliban and their followers and they should be allow to do whatever they want. and restrict the religion of whoever they want. well we need a society in which every one is allowed to follow their religion with full independence. i think thats what quaid e azam get this country for.Recommend

  • Facebookia
    Sep 3, 2010 - 1:40PM

    @ wisdom
    your name is quite the contrary to what you are expressing here. there are blasts in IRAQ on holy places in Muharram when people are gathering up for visiting the holy shrines. Due to lack of security. Do you think Hazrat Ali(AS) and imam Hussain(AS) strongly condemned people to come visit these shrines in Iraq as well???
    thanks to you for igniting this sectarian debate and discussing these holy personalities in this filthy blog. don’t you think we should spare them atleast if we have a little bit of respect for them or there followers. I am talking about Muslims(not shia or sunnis)

    and how about Data Darbar??
    the Ahmedis massacre??
    the Moon Market lahore (where women and children were shopping)??

    any FATWA regarding these blasts !!!! ?Recommend

  • Syed Naqwi
    Sep 3, 2010 - 1:57PM

    another bomb blast on Ahmdiya’s mosque today how can ya justify thisRecommend

  • Ghausia
    Sep 3, 2010 - 2:55PM

    I don’t think there’s any place in the Quran where God says that you should take out processions on the day of anyone’s shahadat. What’s that going to achieve? I mean, seriously, how is that going to help you spiritually? Its more beneficial for you and the deceased if you offer prayers for the souls of the departed. You’re creating a traffic jam, you’re endangering your own life, and for what? To say, “Hi, we’re Shias and we’re here to stay!” Religion shouldn’t be about making a statement or making your presence known. It should only be between you and your God. Lakum dinakum waliya din. The sad part is that everyone is getting overemotional because they’re a poor downtrodden little minority, instead of rationally looking at the logic behind mine and Tanzeel’s comments.Recommend

  • Syed Naqwi
    Sep 3, 2010 - 8:32PM

    well i don’t wanna engage myself in the argument that it is in Quran or not to take out these procession. But i believe if a group of people think that its their religious right to do something than no1 has the right in Pakistan to stop them. This country was created on the principle of religious freedom and Quaid-e-Azam said on its creation that every religion got their right to follow their religion. But I think what was the Quaid’s message and every1 believes he is the righteous
    Muslim and give fatwas on religion.Recommend

  • Facebookia
    Sep 3, 2010 - 9:05PM

    @ Ghausia
    why are you bringing shia/sunni debate here.
    Everyone is a moron except the killers right ??
    i absolutely agree with Mango mans comment!!
    listen its about people being killed in suicide bombs .
    they(the terrorists) killed people in data darbar as well, there was no procession there. Were they(the victims) morons too ????
    And Ahmedis massacre. Oh!! yeah since you are a regular Quran reader you must call them morons too!!!
    In karachi there is a huge walk/procession of Sunni people carrying Green flags wearing green turbans on Eid-milad-un-nabi (SAWW) day.Its a peaceful procession like the shias. Tell me where in Quran is that allowed????

    PS: i am neither shia nor sunni. I am a Muslim.Recommend

  • Ghausia
    Sep 4, 2010 - 12:20AM

    I’m a cultural Muslim, but my faith is purely agnostic, since we’re sharing personal information. My reply was an answer to Abbas, because nowhere in Islam does it say that you should take out processions for deceased souls. I’m talking about processions, by the way, I never mentioned anything about mosques or Ahmadis, you might want to read my comment more closely, I think you just skimmed through it. Even the Sunnis shouldn’t be taking out processions, sab ki zindagi haram karna. What is the point? That’s my only question. Whether its the day of Muhammad PBUH’s death or Ali RA’s, what is the point? Gather in a mosque and offer prayers for their souls, and even then if you get bombed, Sunni, Shia, Ahmadi, any sect, then I’ll say its wrong, its a crime. But you can’t deny that the concept of processions…I don’t mean to be insulting to anyone’s faith. If anyone wants to explain to me the point of taking out a procession, I’ll listen. But as I’ve said before, it seems pointless and more a statement. “We’re Sunni and in majority.” “We’re Shia, and we’re here to stay.” And I didn’t call anyone a moron, your attempt to start a ‘flame war’ didn’t work.

    @Syed Naqwi, I believe that Jinnah’s vision was of a secular Pakistan, but I also believe that he promised us religious freedom, and we don’t have that here. All these sects are contributing to destroying Islam’s peaceful image, and corrupting religion for their own gains. I’m not saying they don’t have any right to practice their religion, I’m all for it, but as I said already, when its hurting other people, then why do it, when even religion doesn’t tell you to?

    And also, again this is addressed to Facebookia. Since you’re a regular commenter here too, I wonder if you’re simply attempting to start a fight with me(Read Sadaf Fayyaz’s brilliant keyboard mafia blog and you’ll know what I mean) But on the off chance that you’re not, then as I said before, if I’m wrong, or if you can explain the procession concept to me, feel free to do so, I never claimed to be a big Quranic scholar. Again, that’s you attempting to put words in my mouth.Recommend

  • al-haqiqa murr
    Sep 4, 2010 - 4:16AM

    Ghausia.
    Far from being a “big” Quranic scholar, you don’t seem to even know the rudimentary elements of Arabic grammar (lakum dinukum wa li din or lakum dinukum wa li dini), whilst the first is Quranic, the latter is closer to what you are trying to say. For you to bring up this debate on processions being “unislamic” in such a callous manner after such a terrible event effectively amounts to blaming the victims. And please… don’t try to fool us with your cultural Islam and supposed agnoticism, it is quite evident where your sympathies lie.Recommend

  • Fayaz Hussain
    Sep 4, 2010 - 9:00AM

    Dear fellows, I mean no offence here just my thoughts after reading comments from different individuals just a few questions come to mind…
    no place in Quran it is said to carry on processons to mourn .. Its correct
    but also no where in Quran it is said that we have to work eight hours a day in a office, if we are salaried, and expect salary at the start of each new month of last last month !
    also not where in Quran it is said that we have to watch tv for how much hours each day…
    and i am sure it is also not said that we should sit on a computer to chat and communicate our thoughts…
    so come on guys what do we consider our holly book …
    time has changed things a lot what we need to do is to respect each others’ thoughts, views and religious beliefs….
    take a look other way…. it is said that cars on Pakistani roads are increasing resulting trafic jam,,, what might be government decision, shold they stop the commuters from purchasing new cars to avoid trafic jam even though that is a solution and we will not c the jams but do you consider it a correct option rather building new roads…
    Its governments obligation to provide security and basics including education and medication to each and all the countrymen apart from sec or language…. rather than banning the activities of Shias or Sunnis or whatever, no concern of me…
    Is not here any one who could high light the laps in security plan which caused the havoc and also put some light as how to overcome that..
    again.. i do not mean to harm any one..
    please correct me if I am wrong
    God bless us allRecommend

  • SA
    Sep 4, 2010 - 9:44AM

    Banning the processions is not going to solve the problem neither is blaming it on RAW or MOSAD.. everybody knows to which sect lashkar-r-jhangvi and TTP belong. This is the only sect whose gatherings & madressahs have never been attacked. My question: why is this particular sect safe and secure from the attacks of RAW and MOSAD? And its people belonging to this very sect who with a feigned sympathy declare “yeh sab shia sunny ko larwane ki sazish hai, yeh hum nahi” despite the fact that lashkar-r-jhangvi and TTP claim responsibility for the attack! As for processions by shias, they must now be restricted to one procession a year, only over ashura, and 12 rabiulawal for sunnis. This needs to be done till the law and order situation improves and the dirty extremists are exterminated. Things are getting out of hand, government cannot provide security specially against suicide bombers so its for the safety of not just those who’re a part of the procession, but also the commuters and the people living around the areas of procession. We need to think!! Recommend

  • Ghausia
    Sep 4, 2010 - 3:44PM

    SA I have to agree with you, even though limiting them to one procession does seem very harsh. I do feel bad supporting this idea but its for the good of everyone, all Muslims who take out processions. Its very unfair and unjust, the situation has reached the point where a child can’t even go get herself candy without getting raped and murdered. But they are necessary measures, till things cool down.

    @al-haqiqa, I refuse to dignify your emotionally charged statements with an answer simply because I find it distasteful that you immediately started making assumptions about me for one personal statement I made. I don’t mind carrying out a discourse, but not when the other person can’t talk objectively without their personal and emotional biases.Recommend

  • al-haqiqa murra
    Sep 4, 2010 - 9:09PM

    Ghausia,
    Quite frankly I do not wish to indulge in any “discourse” with you and the thrust of my previous comment still stands. Why did you feel the need to issue a challenge (especially soon after such a heinous incident) to a particular sect to prove their customs and practices from the Qur’an? Does that not smack of insensitivity? What does your supposed agnoticism mean when you sound like a typical fundamentalist ? Consider this: both processions went off (albeit not wholly without incident) rather safely in Karachi because the proper arrangements had presumably been made by the police, agencies and Interior Ministry. You may, in your self-aggrandizing and pompous way, think your comments are original and rational but your silly examples (comparing rape and murder with the targeting of a religious minority) are typical of a majoritarian mindset which refuses to acknowledge the suffering of minorities in this accursed country.Recommend

  • Ghausia
    Sep 5, 2010 - 12:54AM

    @al-haqiqa I didn’t issue a challenge. Kindly go through my comments and show me exactly where I challenged a minority. I asked a simple question. I didn’t ask them to prove anything. I just simply asked whether there was any religious compulsion to carry out processions or not.

    My “silly examples” are examples of a deteriorating security situation, not of any minority situation. It was to make a point; that no one is safe anymore, not our minorities, not children, not our women.

    And its not just minorities that suffer, I think a 5 year old getting raped would suffer quite a bit as well.

    Are you sure you don’t want to enter into a discussion with me? If so, why do you keep trying to engage me in conversation, instead of just not replying?

    As I’ve stated before, you’re getting far too emotional, maybe because you yourself are a minority, or perhaps because you dislike fundies and assume I’m one, but either way, you’re not being rational or logical at all.

    You might also want to read this; http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/1351/the-keyboard-mafia/Recommend

  • al-haqiqa murra
    Sep 5, 2010 - 9:11PM

    Ghausia
    It was to make a point; that no one is safe anymore, not our minorities, not children, not our women.
    As far as I am aware, there is no militant group or militia in Pakistan whose sole aim is to kill and maim children and women qua children and women. Unfortunately, violence against children and women is rife in many parts of the world, brutal attacks on peaceful gatherings of religious minorities are as you would no doubt concur rather less so.
    I don’t see how I am getting “emotional” and accusations of irrationality or speculation about my religious beliefs constitute a reply to my previous questions. Here is, for the last time, a restatement, in more logical terms:
    (a)One could argue that processions should be temporarily halted for security purposes whilst acknowledging that this decision would regretably greatly impinge on the religious practices of a community, practices which they have honored for centuries and performance of which constitutes an important part of their religious identity. This measure should primarily be seen as the failure of the state to curtail religious extremism (not simply crime in general) and investigate the well-documented sympathies of certain officials including ministers and even members of the police with such groups.
    or
    (b)One could argue that these processions serve no purpose, do not reflect any spirituality, are merely a political statement by a minority with its own inexplicable grievances, contribute to the inconvenience of residents and commuters and most damning of all, do not find sanction in religious texts. That they are attacked is unfortunate and condemnable but it is wholly the responsibilty of the organisers and participants not to indulge in such pointless behaviour in current circumstances and in the wake of an attack, the former (i.e., the orgnaziers, clerics, student union representatives) should also be held criminally liable for endangering the lives of fellow adherents as Mr. Quraishi suggests.
    Read over your previous comments on this article and do let me know which view you are espousing. Recommend

  • imran
    Sep 6, 2010 - 10:50AM

    There was no sunni or shia during the Prophet SAW days. The split came when after the events of Karbala,where after a new sect of shia was created.
    Lets fall back to the early days of Islam and call ourselves only muslims and practce what was practised then.Recommend

  • imran
    Sep 6, 2010 - 10:54AM

    There was no shia or sunni sect in the days of Prophet SAW. It was after the events of Kabala that the shia sect was created. Lets fall back to the original teachings of Islam and follow what was practised during the life time of the Prophet SAW and Hazrat Ali and Hazrat Imam Hussain AS.

    I hope this way every problem will get resolved.Recommend

  • SA
    Sep 7, 2010 - 8:29AM

    :@ Imran, it wasnt after the events of karbala exactly, after karbala it was the azadari that began, not shiaism itself..Recommend

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