Khar’s main argument during that press briefing was about the need for India and Pakistan to move on from the past and forge a brand new future, and was clearly meant to send the message that India should not link progress on the rest of the relationship to progress on investigating and finding the culprits responsible for the Mumbai attacks.
So here’s the counterargument: if both countries should, indeed, move on, does this mean that Pakistan is willing to forget the Kashmir dispute and accept that the Line of Control is really an international border? That India and Pakistan must keep their respective parts of the states that they control and not yearn for the other? That Pakistan must accept the current status quo on Siachen and Sir Creek? If that is what Khar was trying to say, then it is truly a spectacular turnaround from the Pakistani establishment.
But, of course, we all know that Khar’s “moving on” was really limited to India dropping its insistence on movement on the Mumbai attacks. In what may account for one of the more insensitive moments of the recent Krishna visit, Khar is believed to have told an Indian TV channel the following: if you can’t forget Mumbai, Pakistan can’t forget its 1971 humiliation at the hands of India.
Pakistanis have often argued that Indians don’t understand the enormity of their own war against terrorists and ongoing ethnic conflict — the war against the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan in the northwest, Shia-Sunni killings, as well as those between political parties in Karachi in particular — and that Indians must stop harping about their pain of the one attack in Mumbai.
There is a clear answer to this: the terror inside Pakistan is not sponsored by India. Nobody in Mumbai asked anyone in Karachi or elsewhere to climb into a boat and set sail for Mumbai with sten guns.
My friend and fellow The Express Tribune columnist Ejaz Haider had another interesting thesis that I hadn’t heard before or — more to the point — hadn’t wanted to hear before. According to him, the Indian army was known to conduct false flag marches in (Indian) Kashmir, meaning they had killed scores of Indian — read, Muslim — civilians in Kashmir under the guise of offering protection to them.
What did this have to do with Mumbai, I asked Mr Haider? Was he implying that the Indian security forces — the army, paramilitary or the police — could have turned upon its own people in Mumbai? That could be one possibility in a range of several possibilities, he replied.
Khar’s forceful passion at the press briefing notwithstanding, the penny seems to have finally dropped in my own head: a section of the Pakistani intelligentsia believes the terror attack against Mumbai was just retribution — for 1971, for Balochistan, for Karachi, and anything else it believes India is responsible for.
That is why the opening up of the visa regime is so important: ordinary Indians and ordinary Pakistanis will get a chance to meet each other and discuss what their relationship is really about and whether they really want to forge one. Indians visiting Pakistan are more than often accosted with the unimaginable generosity of ordinary Pakistanis: aap hamaare mehmaan hain, hum dil ki gehraai se kehna chaahte hain hum kitne khush hain aap logon ko yahan dekh kar.
See how this contrasts with the state’s commentary? The question is, which is the real Pakistan?
Published in The Express Tribune, September 12th, 2012.
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@M.Ahmer Ali: Very poor choice of words..
@Another Pakistani:
The real India....... believes in Justice.Perpetrators of Samjhota Express are behind bars. believes in Status-quo in Kashmir. believes in Moving forward.1971 is history. wanted its own indigenous nuclear power programs. Enjoys movies.
For the indians,pakistan is not a issue...............we have more important things to think about..........but basically most indians have contempt for pakistan ........
The real Pakistan is a sovereign,self-reliant and interference-free Pakistan and most especially importantly a true,real and practical welfare Islamic state but these qualities,features and merits are going to be taken a long time to obtain and their obtainment is most difficult task but not impossible because the real things behind the obtainment is sincerity,honesty,devotion and dedication for Pakistan and its nation in the leaders and in then nation as well in practical forms not verbally.......
@Just Curious: India has never denied that fact. Srilakans too knows it very well. Watch the show, Sochta Pakistan, 7 Jan 2012. Moeed Pirzada discusses with Shashi Tharoor, Naseem Zehra , Ejaz Haider.
@Mirza: "I am looking forward to my next visit to India" I hope you have a wondeful time. "and hope to further the bonds that kept us together for centuries". Amen to that.
@Lala Gee: Yes all these took place and it was a long time ago. If you are still stuck in the time frame, ask your parents which country they were born in.
@BruteForce:
"So, why not accept our dominance and these games can stop?"
I offer you the same deal. If you think Pakistani nation can be won just with the force of propaganda, then you can continue with your day dreaming. Our people have extreme endurance and resilience, and a bad patch cannot deter our resolve to live and die with dignity and honor.
And Ms. Malhotra, which is the real India? -The one that bombed the Samjhota Express leaving 68 people dead, majority Pakistanis? or the one that welcomed Pakistani cricket spectators at its soil? -The one that attacked Siachin Glacier in 1984? or the one that gave us MFN status in 1997? - The one who usurped Pakistan's right on Kashmir by taking control of it when Pakistan was already under Stand Still Agreement with Maharaja Dogra? Or The one that signed Indus Water Treaty in 1960 dividing the waters flowing out of Kashmir ? -The one that grabbed the opportunity to humiliate us in 1971 or the one that handed over back our soldiers in 1973 through Simla Agreement? -The one that started Nuclear race in the region? or the one that says it wants to see the region peaceful? - The one shown in Veer Zara and Main Hoona? Or the one shown in Agent Vinod or Aik Tha Tiger?
P.S. if you did not read everything above, moral of the story is that neither of the nation consists of Angels. We all are human beings with a past to learn from and a future to establish. Which end we stick to is our own choice!
@Somesh:
"Seems you want the debts to be cleared to continue as long as Pakistan ends up into independent units like Punjabdesh, Waziristan, Balochistan like the Bangladesh…. Atleast Waziristan and Balochistan are already on their way towards their own 1971s….."
Oh!!! I thought you want to take over. Don't worry, they will still be the same, hating you like Bangladeshis do.
@jpy:
"By the time you clear the debt I doubt whether Pakistan will exist in its present geographical form??"
You already tried to do that in 2002 when your million-men show turned into embarrassment after 10 months camping near the border. Try that again anytime.
@Babloo:
"You have to just scratch the surface for the real Pakistan, rooted in its religious identity, to raise its head and erase all other commonality. India and Pakistan cannot be friends. Tolerence and intolerence cannot be friends."
Oh!!! You forgot to mention that anti-Sikh riots of 1984 and anti-Muslim riots of 1992, 1993, and 2002 did take place in Pakistan. Do you remember how many thousands were massacred, girls gang raped, and home and properties burned in these riots? Or, should I shed some light? Of course, Indians are a very tolerant nation.
@Palu:
"But Mirza, you are an Indian! I am surprised when you mention that you found all the goodness when you first went there! Almost all your comments suggest as if you are either in Pakistan or somewhere else and unrelated to India. What’s happenin man. Double-gaming?"
Things get messed up and overlap when you play a double role.
@akash:
"You are one with conspiracy theory hangover."
Go, also tell this to the "Sri-Lankans as well that the Indian support of LTTE is a conspiracy theory".
@gp65:
"I do not supprt his conspiracy theories. You must havemisread what I said. Also – I happen to be a woman."
Then why would you also use the moniker of "Aysha_Khan". Perhaps to mislead the readers.
The best answer to the author's question is - "Both...with a lot of shades in between".
My yearning to converse in Punjabi and eat Punjabi food when I first went to Dubai made me seek out Pakistani restaurants (Ravi's food tastes closest to home food), and therefore meeting Pakistanis. Their first comments,invariably, were (and are) "You don't look Indian", to which I answer, "Could that be because my (late) Mom was from Fort Sandeman and my Dad from Lahore?" The usual response -" Oh, no wonder !". To which mine was, and is," But then, we are Hindu's". This usually caused many to fade away, and many more, most of whom are now close friends, to say, " Pher Ki? Ho Te Punjabi de Puttar!" and later, "Tuhadi Urdu kinni saaf hai !", to which I would say "I always thought I spoke Punjabi, because that's how my parents, aunts and uncles have always spoken". For proof I would call my Dad back home and ask him to speak to my new friends, and as he rambled, they would understand what I have always sensed - My father's body may live in India, but his soul meanders in “L’hor”, “Jehlum”, “Syaalkot” , “Murree”, ”Pindi”, “Lellpur”, “Koita”, Gujranwala and “P’shor”. Conversations these days begin with lanterns on hire at 100 rupees a night in power-short Pakistan, and about street protests about outages in New Delhi, about corruption and crony-capitalism exposes on Indian and Pakistani TV. But human (and Punjabi male) nature is such that, that talk then moves on to more important things -Wine, Women and Song - and what they must be like on either side of the border. There is darkness on both sides, but amongst a small group of Indians and Pakistanis who became human beings over time in Dubai, there is also more light. Ease the visa's, I say, and let in more light ! Yes, when we open our windows for air, some dust will follow too. But the light will surely help the blind see the grey that lies between the black and the white. Not everyone will change, because “There are none so blind as those who will not see”
I don't think it really matters
@gp65:
My apologies Madam. I was trying to give you the latest jewel from the conspiracy treasury so as to bolster your rejection of Kalchakra's assertions. I gave up doing that myself a long time age. It was no use. I wish you better luck though.
@wonderer: I was responding to kalchakra. I do not supprt his conspiracy theories. You must havemisread what I said. Also - I happen to be a woman.
@gp65:
Here Sir, is the latest of conspiracy theories I have just heard on Samaa TV channel.
While reporting live from Lahore and Karachi to give the latest about the horrible factory fires there the presenter suggested it could be a conspiracy (Sazish)? Another reporter agreed readily stating "because there have been two fires at almost the same time, it must be a Sazish by the traditional enemies of the Qoam (read India)"!
Ms Malhotra, Your write-up is rather flimsy. Hina Rabbani Khar was labelled a glamorous and not a dumb doll when she visited India.With her top-to-toes designer wear Khar had projected a very miserable picture of her country; she had proved that the elitist rulers have no link with ordinary people in Pakistan. And does it really matter what she says about ``moving forward by forget-and-forgiving statements'' on India, for the real decision-making vests with army. India and Pakistan can never be compared on terrorism-suffers scale. The main difference is that Pakistan is suffering at the hands of homegrown army of terrorists. That authomatically switches off our sympathy towards her sufferings.Hillary Clinton had put it appropriately - if you rare snakes in you backyard, do not expect them not to byte you one day.*strong text*
@Lala Gee: "he small Mumbai terror incident was a retribution to what India is doing in Balochistan and elsewhere in Pakistan by supporting TTP"
TTP - Mumbai happened in 2008. Pakistan signed Nizam-e-Adl with TTP in 2009 Feb. Was it signing agreement with Indian agents? Balochistan -Did India kill Akbar Bugti - Did India put Akhtar Mengal in a cage - Does India control FC that is following kil and dump policy that is subjudice? - Did India force your SC to acquit Malik Ishaq who has been leading the target killing of Hazara Shias and if you go by a recent videoblog on ET then leading naaras of 'Pakistan main rehna hai to Shia kaafir kehna hai"? - Does India force Balochistan CM to live in Islamabad?
@Pure Insanity:
Please change your name to "Pure sanity".
I have been wanting to say exactly what you have said here. But may be, I am not that good in putting my thoughts in words; I never could get through the moderators.
My advice to Pakistani friends is to "desire only what you deserve." The thinking Pakistanis have realized that the time to fool the whole world all the time has gone for good, and many have at last started saying that openly.
Jyoti, Pakistan has been, for quite a while now, surreal. You are chasing mirages. Cheers.
@ Raja Poras - The latter one and I am one of them.
The answer is simple, both real Pakistans.
The real question should be which Pakistan matters to India?
The answer is the one which decides Terrorists should be sent to India or not. The Establishment matters, not the people.
@Lala Gee:
"That is never going to happen."
That need not have to happen.
India is the status quo power. If you do not accept Kashmir belongs to India or do accept, that doesn't change the fact that India has what it wants and wants nothing from Pakistan.
It also helps that India is the superior and dominant power. For a long time in the past 66 years, India and Pakistan were more or less equal powers, with equal power projecting capabilities. Now, nor ever, its not the case.
Just think of it this way, India didn't budge when it was on an equal footing with Pakistan, it is not likely to when it is on its way to become the largest economy in the world.
So, you are free to accept not accept the status quo, it is your decision. What is not your decision is that India budge from its position.
" The small Mumbai terror incident was a retribution to what India is doing in Balochistan and elsewhere in Pakistan by supporting TTP and BLA."
Again, apparently we have been very good at hurting you, than you guys have been to us. So, we are dominant again. So, why not accept our dominance and these games can stop?
This way no side has to get hurt. Simple really.
Wonderful article. While some disagree but the fact remains that unless you face and acknowledge the issues, you cannot solve them. On other note, please read the article from dawn and it's also a fact if you acknowledge http://dawn.com/2012/09/10/an-unposted-letter-to-pm-singh/
If Ejaz Haider indeed believes that the Indian Army was responsible for 26/11 in Mumbai, he no doubt believes that the CIA was responsible for 9/11 in New York. And here I was thinking that Ejaz Haider was one of the more rational Pakistani columnists!
Dear Madam
Just because you don't like it, Pakistani intellectuals are not going to stop believing what seems reasonable. They are not your servants.
(1) A number of Pakistani intellectuals do believe that India kills its own citizens and blames Pakistan. (2) The attack on Indian parliament was definitely the work of Indian agencies. (3) The Mumbai drama was enacted merely to defame Pakistan. And if Pakistan was involved, there is no shame in saying openly that it was retribution for all the violence that India has been carrying on inside of Pakistan.
The argument cuts both ways. The real India is by no means fully behind the Manmohan Singh rapprochement normalisation move. And I dont just mean the crazies.
@Raja Poras: It is not a binary. There are lots of people in India who don't think Gandhiji was the cat's whiskers but wouldn't want him killed over a difference of opinion.
If you Indians don't want to move on, then don't. If you'd rather have Pakistan as an enemy rather than a peaceful neighbour, then that's your choice.
nice and good piece by you on the present consequences..........
Which is the real India, one that regards Gandhiji as their leader or the ones who killed him??
@Palu: But Mirza, you are an Indian! I am surprised when you mention that you found all the goodness when you first went there! Almost all your comments suggest as if you are either in Pakistan or somewhere else and unrelated to India. What’s happenin man. Double-gaming? . Mirza is a Pakistani in the US. He has said so before. He writes insightful comments except when it comes to the PPP in which case he toes the party line :)
Pakistan will never take action against Hafiz Saeed & Co. Answer is simple.....they are the deciding force in pakistan not PPP or any other civilian govts.
@Lala Gee: That is never going to happen. The small Mumbai terror incident was a retribution to what India is doing in Balochistan and elsewhere in Pakistan by supporting TTP and BLA. Either you forget it or we have too much debt to clear yet. Rhetorics often run on two important features: 1. They are based on wrong facts - 'India is supporting Taliban'... I mean 'Taliban'!!!!!! Come on now.... You can always treat a blind man. but it is impossible to treat a normal person pretending to be blind... 2. Incorrect interpretations of events - 'too much debt to clear yet' - Seems you want the debts to be cleared to continue as long as Pakistan ends up into independent units like Punjabdesh, Waziristan, Balochistan like the Bangladesh.... Atleast Waziristan and Balochistan are already on their way towards their own 1971s.....
@Lala Gee: By the time you clear the debt I doubt whether Pakistan will exist in its present geographical form??
@Mirza: Loved your comment..Wish you all the best in your life..
@numbersnumbers:
"@Lala Gee: And of course you can give credible evidence/proof that India is supporting the TTP and the BLA! NOT!"
As if you have already provided proofs of Mumbai incident and the announcement US$ 10 million reward for information was just a scam.
@Mirza: But Mirza, you are an Indian! I am surprised when you mention that you found all the goodness when you first went there! Almost all your comments suggest as if you are either in Pakistan or somewhere else and unrelated to India. What's happenin man. Double-gaming?
Actually the Pakistanis are so ashamed of the truth that they cannot face it. Making up conspiracy theories is their only escape. May Allah help them! Amen.
You have to just scratch the surface for the real Pakistan, rooted in its religious identity, to raise its head and erase all other commonality. India and Pakistan cannot be friends. Tolerence and intolerence cannot be friends.
Pakistan's accommodation is just that - temporary - it feels it is not in a position to expend resources on three fronts - India, Afghanistan and inside. Even then, it only wants to talk about what India holds - Kashmir, Siachen, Sir Creek. What it controls - territory and terrorists - it is not talking about. Why? What an 'inherently superior' people control the 'lesser' must accept.
If it was not 1971, it would be something else. Khar, Musharraf, Ejaj Haider or thousands of Pakistanis waiting to come over - the end goals will never change - Kashmir will be Pakistan's, Bharat will climb down from Siachen. Indians can try their peace experiment with the opening of visa regime. They will only give but will neither receive nor settle.
@gp65: Then my apologies to Nadir for my mistaken take on his comment.
@numbersnumbers: Nadir is being sarcastic.
@Mirza: I always look forward to reading your posts which reflect wisdom, kindness and basic humaneness. I would like to offer a contrary opinion here to your hypthesis that when people meet each other, hate vanishes. Consider:
How was it possible that people that had lived together for centuries in peace and harmony with their neighbours could suddenly within the span of less than a decade be filled with such hatred that they would positively respond to the call for Direct Action Day? Until 1965 there were no visas between India and Pakistan. Why then did Operation Gilbratar take place? Did West PAkistanis need visas to go to East PAkistan? Why then did Operation Searchlight take place. Do not mean to just blame Pakistan. What happened in Delhi in 1984? Finally in more recent times, there was an atmosphere of bonhomie between India an dPakistan in 2006-2007. Did that prevent 26/11?
The fact is that when people are gullible vested interests can ALWAYS create an environment of hate to exploit it for meeting their own objectives. So is there a solution? Only one. Truth will set us free. Media has a big role to play in disabusing people of lies told to them.
Ms. Jyoti, I watch your one of your show with Ejaj. I hope this visit has open your eyes toward Pakistan establishment or think tank. Next time when ever you write, please write from analysis not from heart. Singh
@ the author Ms Jyoti mahlotra
what Pakistanis say is immaterial the only main political force which can make a difference and controls Pakistan is the Pakistani armed forces if they are on board the relation between both the countries will improve what the civilian leadership or people of Pakistan say is immaterial if push comes to shove no one will take a contrary position to what the army says or does in Pakistan
@Nadir: WOW, and I always thought that Pakistan was doing a world class job of "defaming Pakistan" all by itself!
@Lala Gee: And of course you can give credible evidence/proof that India is supporting the TTP and the BLA! NOT!
"ordinary Indians and ordinary Pakistanis will get a chance to meet each other and discuss what their relationship is really about and whether they really want to forge one." The fact is most hate mongers are those who have never visited the other country. I had mixed feelings and apprehension before I went to India first time. However, when in only a couple of days I felt that I belong there. I felt safe, not bothered by any danger and welcomed by ordinary people. There was wide variety of food that I liked, movies that I loved, and hospitality that I cannot forget. Most people loved my Hindi/Urdu accent. After my first trip I went to India for more than half a dozen times and only stopped when the Indian govt stopped welcoming me, because I am a born Pakistani. We need to bring down the walls and build bridges.
The real Pakistan are its people the ones that welcome you with open arms, ones who are Completely fed up of fighting with you the Taliban, inflation and disparity. They just want basic facilities and a chance at life like anyone else
One should be double wary to use the phrase "Goongi Gudiya".
It was used by Ram Manohar Lohia to describe the fledgling Indira Gandhi at the start of her career...
She only went on to prove the phrase horribly wrong by showing the world the lioness she was...
I only wish that Hina Rabbani too would one day scale the heights that Indira did...
How sweetly madam malhotra is trying to cover up the mess by India and blaming Pakistan for all the ills. As if no one knows the covert spy war that's fuelling terrorism in Pakistan. Even if Pakistani organizations were involved along with agencies then that's one percent of what India has been upto against Pakistan in cahoots with US and other elements. These visits are meaningless, many of such measure were even taken between US and Soviets, but the fire beneath the cold-war was enough to reshape the world. Same if not different will is the fate of sub-continent, in whose favour ? That's what time will tell.
I have seen other people believing or peddling conspiracy theories not only in pakistan but these theories are very popular in middle eastern and eastern european countries.
I think the reason for it is because they live in countries where political-parties/agencies silencing their civilians/dissidents is a normal practice and generally accepted even by intellectuals. They think that it must be happening in other countries as well. Case in point is 9/11 conspiracy theories being so popular in middle east. Searched about Ejaz and he is ex-mil, guess you get my drift.
Nowhere Ms Khar asked India to forget Mumbai but clearly her message was that India should not link progress on other matters to Mumbai attacks as it has always been asking Pakistan to not link Kashmir with MFN, SAFTA and a lot of other issues. There is a very clear distinction between moving ahead in spite of differences and forgetting them altogether or sticking to them to the point of not moving at all.
Well said. The army establishment in Pakistan wants everything on its own terms. I would have congratulated India for being the mature power by continuing the peace dialogue with Pakistan, but in reality it (India) has no option but to seek peace with a duplicitous and paranoid Pakistan.
Indian Democracy is a passive democracy, but it never forgets or forgive the culprits which have troubled them. It does not have the stealth of Mossad to form death squad and kill those people who were involved as planners, financiers for the Mumbai massacre. Nor it has the power like US to bulldoze through.
India will wait for its chance....if Pakistan does not act to punish the perpetrators.
@Tough quistion: You are wrong that was mauryan empire which is long gone. Pakistan is what it is today, whatever you may think, this is the reality. And if you want to resolve issues you cant side step anything but first India and Pak need to be honest with each other and start conversation. And visa= trade is the right first step. However, I still think Pakistani government neither has the capacity nor intent to give justice for Mumbai victims. As for the normal Pakistani he/she is so mired in so many other issues that they can't identify which identity to acquire.
is GHQ..
No I dont blame India alone, I blame India-Israel-US together! You all work together to defame Pakistan!
@Lala Gee: During our last discussion i said you are one with the Partition hangover. I was wrong. You are one with conspiracy theory hangover.
The real Pakistan is lost in oblivion. The current Pakistan is a matrix that decorates its invaders & prosecutes its ancestors.
The real Pakistan is that there is no nation of Pakistan. It is just a group of tribes and feudal landlords. Bureaucracy and rule of law is just a leftover from the Raj to die a slow death. Those who follow the law are condemned. The government is its own boss; the judiciary is its own boss; the army is its own boss. The rule of the President does not extend beyond his house; the rule of the army is within the inner ring road of Rawalpindi. Rest of the Pakistan is in the hands of militias, tribes, Taliban and local gangs. Everybody and anybody can raise a private army. For any reason whatsoever. Once in a while a Benazir or a Khar is born only to be eliminated. The army was once upon a time professional; today a soldier does not know what he is fighting for: country, rule of law, religion, his immediate boss? PIA is dying, nobody cares; railways are dying, nobody cares; no new power plants are coming, nobody cares; population is growing right and left and nobody cares.
As the actor Salman Khan says in one of his advertisements, this is a little exaggeration, but the trends are in this direction.
By all means non-value added controls in visa issuance process that simply add to delays and heartburn without adding protection should be jettisoned. If both countries can benefit economically from trade that should be promoted.
However the notion that if people meet each other, the misunderstandings will be removed is a dream I don't buy. There were no visas before 1965. Did that prevent Operation Gilbratar? No. Let's go a little further back. Hindus and Muslims had been living in close proximity for centuries - did that prevent the call for Direct Action Day? No. When politicians have some vested interests, they can manipulate and create hatred where none existed. So as the Arabic saying goes, Trust in Allah but tie the camel.
I watched those 72 hours, mostly without sleep the cruelty being carried out and you want me to 'move on'. Even for two cents you 'move on' on your issues, we Indians, will not 'move on' without a conclusion of 26/11.
The real Pakistan is Harappa,Mohenjodaro,Taxila. Taxila is actually Takshashila is perhaps best known because of its association with Chanakya, also known as Kautilya, the strategist who guided Chandragupta Maurya and assisted in the founding of the Mauryan empire.
Jyoti Malhotra, There are always some diffrences between state and general public on foreigne policy matters I think it's ok and should be accepted.But problem with Pakistan is that difference between state and public is huge and has gone to such an extant that that now it is neither acceptable to outside word nor to it's own public.Atitude of public towards visiting indians is what we may call a real pakistan.And such huge difference between state and public is unnatural and must vanish sooner or later. Regards
Jyoti Sahiba, it takes two to tango then why resist such an offer? A wise man once said, a happy peaceful neighbor means a safer neighborhood, that principle is universal and applies both ways.
The real Pakistani badly wants to be an Arab.
Can we discuss it later? We have an issue here. The Real Pakistani has an Identity crisis. we need to find out who we are.
Pakistan knows that the Mumbai attacks/26-11 incident is morally indefensible in the eyes of the world community. Hence the urgency to move on. . Pakistan has spent years indoctrinating its children with its version of history. It took just one incident for Indians to figure out their own.
At this precise time ...there is nothing called Pakistani. Its just sunni,shia,ahmedi,balochi,pakhtoon,sindhi,punjabi..etc
Pakistan is not ready to change it anti-India policy. Can't understand why? I see no reason as to why India would want to harm Pakistan. We have our plates full with internal matter.
They started the Taliban..to give them a base in Afghanistan so that the Indians will not be there Their whole world view is India..India… they are Paranoid..they do not even know when they are lying.
The real Pakistan is not the Deep state that resides with in Pakistan..that believes in something different than the rest of the common Pakistani.That still stays in the year 1971. But unfortunately they are the one who plans how the Indians visiting Pakistan are more than often accosted with the unimaginable generosity of ordinary Pakistanis,& later showered with Kargil.
Maam u r spot on.............ET has a true Indian voice........Aakar patel(Indians Never win),Prakash others are all here to make fun of India in this forum..............
Don't moderate my comments ET........
"does this mean that Pakistan is willing to forget the Kashmir dispute and accept that the Line of Control is really an international border? ... That Pakistan must accept the current status quo on Siachen and Sir Creek?"
That is never going to happen. The small Mumbai terror incident was a retribution to what India is doing in Balochistan and elsewhere in Pakistan by supporting TTP and BLA. Either you forget it or we have too much debt to clear yet.