LAHORE: The Khatme Nabuwat Conference ended here on Monday with speakers calling for various measures against the members of the Ahmadi community.
A resolution, proposed by Justice(r) Nazeer Ahmed - member of Islamic Ideology Council, was passed during the Tajdar Khatame Nabuwat Conference, organised by Fidayane Khatame Nabuwat at Aiwan-e-Iqbal on Monday.
The participants of the conference also stated that Malik Mumtaz Qadri, the self-confessed killer of former Punjab Governor Salman Taseer, has not committed any offence by killing him and should be released.
Demanding amendments in the country’s laws, the participants said that the religious activities of the Ahmadi community should be banned in Pakistan and their social activities should be monitored.
The attendees further demanded that Ahmadis should be treated as non-Muslims not only in Pakistan but also in Azad Jammu and Kashmir.
Those who attended the conference include Ruet-e-Hilal committee chairman Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rehman, MNA Haji Fazal Karim, MNA Captain Safdar, Maulana Syed Irfan Mashhadi, Khadim Hussain Rizvi, Akhtar, Sarwat Ijaz Qadri, Shah Ahmed Awais Norani, Pir Muhammad Afzal Qadri, Dr Raghib Naeemi, Mumtaz Qadri’s father Malik Bashir and his brother Dilpazir Ahmed.
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The extremist state of pakistan, these people are ded up on hate and their minds are poisoned by the mullahs and religious extremes, i think i took a good decision to leave from pakistan after a month.
Find out any difference between Buddhist of Burma and official Muslims of Pakistan.
All those who support this must not cry when muslims are targeted around the world.
@jibran: Came to know very late. Whole lot of his party is involved.
Hey don't like it it leave the country no one stopping you guys. Cry me a river
@mustafa: Wow, you are saying > 4 million people nonMuslims on their face, is this mutual respect. How can a government become God to decide who is muslim or not. Do you have any example from life of prophet Muhammad and his companions declaring anyone nonmuslim even abdullah bin abi saloon.
Thanks to these Goons Ahmadies are now in over 200 countries of the world from the 80 they were in in 1984. Way to go you idiots. Plus by your actions Pakistan and Pakistani's all over the world are clearly classified as backwards, narrow minded. Which Islam allows a person or a group of people the right to decide who is a Muslim or not. Even Prophet Mohammad ( PBUH) did not have that authority,only Almighty Allah will decide that.
Why we are so afraid of small minority of Ahmadies. THey are very peaceful living people. We have noticed their loyalty to the country.They are honest hardworking people with best ethics and chracter. The costitution of Pakistan and Islam gives them equal rights .The people who demand otherwise are voilating the costitution and the rights procured by Islam. The demands of this mob who belong to various so called important classes are shameful.
Make a Gaza Strip all enclosed with electric barbed wire, a 30 feet high, 12 feet wide lead wall, with security check points every where and lock the Ahmadi Muslims in a concentration camp.
Then congratulate yourselves for realizing the vision of PAKistan and glorifying the image of "Islam".
Let's not forget in every society there are good people and bad guys & both are trying to influence and implement their ideology.....if anyone expressing extremist views then counter it with logic and arguments with same magnitude, instead of merely bashing them
@saeed wrote "@kanwal: You left Pakistan but do you leave the religion too?"
Fortunately, Kanwal left Pakistan and left the "religion" that is is being used as a political tool for the holier than thou state certified Muslims. Have fun with this travesty that you turned the religion into.
@mustafa wrote "Passing judgement should not be allowed, Ahamadis have been declared non muslim by the parliment and its legal now. These statements are alarming specially about Mumtaz Qadri, he did a crime without doubt as per Pakistani law and Islamic values.He took the law in his hand , there is nothing to prove that he did something unislamic.'
Ahamadis have been declared non muslim by the parliment and its legal now. It is legal for the ghundas and goons to take the judgement reserved for Allah into their dirt hands.
CORE BELIEF OF AHMADIS IN POINT/BULLET FORM:
Ahmadis believe - in the total finality of prophethood. That is, prophet Mohammed (PBUH) was the last law bearing prophet and the seal of the prophets as ordained in the Quran. None shall be exalted to the lofty position of prophethood after him.
-that their founder Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a reformer subservient to and in complete subordination to the holy prophet Muhammed (PBUH). His mission in the world was only to reinforce the teachings of prophet Muhammed (PBUH).
that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad did not introduce a new religion but only propagated the teachings of Islam as enunciated by prophet Muhammad (PBUH).-that it has been prophesied by prophet Muhammed (PBUH) himself and the Quran about the future coming in the world of a reformer who absolutely believed in his mission and whose sole objective would be to continue to spread his message for the well being and good of humanity. The latter has been mentioned in the holy Quran and the prophet’s Ahadith (teachings).
@T Khan: It is the hand of God that would destroy these ignorant mullahs when He wills!
Khatamannabiyeen, Rahmatullil aalameen Zinda Baad. Ignorant mullas are the worst of the creatures on earth. They shall be destroyed by Allah soon, insha Allah.
I don't understand where we are living, is it an Islamic country or some JOKE? I am sure today if Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) would have alive, these mullahs would have said that Prophet you are practicing wrong and what we are saying is right.. Pathetic..
howcome there was no participant from jamat e islami ?
@ASD: if you talk about Law/Constitution, plz apply that on Palestine, Kashmir, Burma, etc etc
On behalf of all peace loving Pakistanis I request President Obama to start sending drones to these so called settled districts of Pakistan. A single drone would have done wonders there!!
Please USA and Europe. Pls place the names of all the participants in your negative list and deny them any visas along with their families. This will restrict their activities. And pls if you can send a drone or two on thier homes. The world is better off from such people.
Secularism is the best system as State does not take any side and everybody is free to follow his/her beliefs.
Captain Safdar is not only an elected MNA of PMLN but also the son in law of PMLN chief Nawaz Sharif. It is thus endorsement of religious persecution and murderers from the very top.
@kanwal: You left Pakistan but do you leave the religion too?
Where's PTI???? Where are the so called liberals like Imran Khan? Afraid of some Qadri?
Have a look on those who attended the conference; it includes Ruet-e-Hilal committee chairman Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rehman, MNA Haji Fazal Karim, MNA Captain Safdar. These 4 individuals are paid by the government. Hence they should be brought into justice to misuse the government financial sources. However Mumtaz Qadri’s father Malik Bashir and his brother Dilpazir Ahmed must have been in this conference gathering support to help save the life of the killer of late Governor; who paid short visit for grieved Ahmadi families with a gesture of little condolence from his office. How strange it is that media coverage was there in minutes but Police did reach very late, rather Target Killers were allowed to carry on brutal killing for about 2 hrs and 30 minutes in Lahore; Capital of Punjab Government under the nose of CM Shahbaz Sharif. So CM remains safe and his brother’s son in law Capt Safdar is free to demonstrate full solidarity with such extremist elements. Where will these suicidal conferences take us as a nation?
Although i have severe reservation against the Organizers but, the point they highlighted is common for all MUSLIMS! and less of sect. Ahmedis are constitutionally non-muslims, no second opinion. So they should stop pretending to be muslims, period. Extremism is not the way, I accept but, Ahmedis are not mending their ways. Little push is essential.
May Allah out of His grace, forgive those who imposed hardship on others whom they think they are not part of them, Ameen. Sometimes, I think the so-called Khatme Nabuwat group forget the Quranic verse requiring Muslims not to impose even Islam on others (For you your religion .....; There should be no compulsion in religion). Please, for Allah sake if Khatme Nabuwat continues to misbehave, then one day, the West should use the same should used the same yardstick on them in the West, whereby they are also minority. They have forgotten that the Ahmadies" Lord is Allah, and they continue to pray forgiveness for them because their motto is LOVE FOR ALL, HATRED FOR NONE. Peace.
@Jat: That requires moral courage.
mna captain safdar was present.. enough said...
@Enlightened: Not to be mistaken, I agree with your comment on one God.
Now coming to what I want to say, it reminds me of a comment I read in ET few months ago. If I am not mistaken it was from @kaalchakra. The words in the comments were nice and it was something on the lines: One God, One Religion, One Flag, One way to Pray ,................ (do not remember the entire comment) Now I am thinking that in due course it will become One Sect and in the end only One Sunni shall remain. TTP has already declared that not all Sunnis are True Muslims.
Pakistan was created in the name of religion and is getting destroyed for the same cause.
The MNAs attending this conference should be expelled from the assembly for inciting extreme violence and condoning and supporting murder. If action is not taken it will mean that we all are supporting extremism and religious intolerance.
Weak leaders = Silence over challenging issues = Death of a nation
Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rehman should be arrested immediately.
@Naeem Majoka: There is only one God in this universe, Who is called by different names ie Allah, Waheguru, Ram etc etc. So please don't say our Allah because He is the same for all communities whether,Sunnis, Shias or Ahmadis. However, some of the sects in Pakistan have made Him their sole propriety since they are ignorant and fanatics as well and Allah's wrath would soon fall upon them. You should never consider yourself as weak but fight for your rights and Allah would help you in your struggle against the tyranny of these ignorant lot.
There is one thing left which will do more restrictions and that is exactly what Kuffar have done with Hadhrat Muhammad PBUH. They restrict HIM and his followers to shaib-e-Abi-Talib. so do it as well as you already have boycotted socially to Ahmadies. who so ever disgraced will take support from extremisim. Captain safdar, Gilani, Babar awan and list go on and on... But dont forget surely we have a GOD and he always help us on every condition. Look back honestly to last 123 yrs.
We are used to these terrible statements from Khatm e Nabuwat Organization so its not new for Ahmadiyya Community. Our believe and faith are going high day by day because We are follower of Hazrat MUHAMMAD Mustafa (P.B.U.H) so We have to patients and ignore these rubbish things. We are praying to our ALLAH that you may take revenge to those all people because we are week people and we are doing as per your advise.
With actions like this the agenda of the Khatme Nabuwat guys is to end the message of Nubuwat from Pakistan.
The way mullah wants to take things forward; it won't be long before each of us would want everyone else to be disowned and kicked out. This wave of hatred will destroy us! Please try to understand.
@Lala Gee: Excellent comments, probably the best in the whole forum so far. I am really proud to be living in secular India and have two Muslim friends who are incidentally from Sunni and Ahmad communities respectively. When together a few decades back, we used to discuss anything in this world but religion and looked forward to participate in each others religious festivals. We all three are now living at distant places and are still in touch but one thing which I miss most is celebrating Eid with them since I am very fond of sweets.
I will say these all are anti pakistan elements
@Ex-Ahmedi: The reason they focus on debate in civilised countries is because they don't want to be deported back to the land of the pure
@Pakistaniat: Your moniker says it all. You don't need our permission, we will be cheering from the sidelines !
Wake up and stop these mullahs now, look where the first act to declare ahmadis as non Muslim led Pakistan. Now it's the Shias as well who are suffering, but remember these khatme Nabuwat mullahs will next try to purify Sunnis and declare Sufis and barelvis and other relatively moderate Sunnis, until they cleanse all Pakistan of non Wahabis. As for captain Safdar - you are showing your true leanings towards these sectarian killers who have wreaked havoc in the whole country.And Mufti Muneeb ur Rehman etc - they can't even agree on the sighting of the moon with their fellow Mullahs in Pakistan but they happily converge on declaring weak and non-retaliatory sects as non-muslim. Shame on you guys. Reverse the 2nd amendment in 1974 constitution and stop this brainwashing before it gets too late.
Using religion as tool to kill the people,against the basic education of holy Prophet (PBUH).These type of conferences just create more instabilities&fuel to Militancy more bloodshed and make life unsafe in the country.If this practices continue the day will come,we are unable to defend ourselves as a peace loving nation,It will the worst for us&country.Human life getting cheaper then any thing else.God forgives us,we prove ourselves&introduces to the world not a decent nation.
It hurts when others say so, but the fact is that we are probably one of the worst countries on the face of earth. Extreme religious fanaticism has engulfed our entire society like a cancer. One sees further destruction and bloodshed before any improvement takes place. What a shame!!!!!!!!!!!!!
al should die except mullahs mullis
look at the country, the day parliment ( we all know thier credibilty) declared ahmdiyya non-muslims this country is going down the drain on economic, social, and regligious grounds, not to mention natural disasters, there is nothing but hate for each other, as they openned a pandora which has no end. JUST THINK ABOUT THIS
@Jat: Oh boy. We don't need your permission to demonstrate.
Was at the annual ahmadiyya congregation in Uk yesterday, the slogan that got the loudest response from 27,000+ audience was 'Pakistan, Zindabad!' and yet you lot have the nerve to tell us to leave? None of us want to leave our country; you can force us and drag us out but not tell us to!
Long live Pakistan, long live true Islam!
@observer: This is Islam made in Pakistan!! LOL
it is not a question of being an islamic or a secular country. murder by any one in personal capacity is not acceptable and if i have to recall the justice system of Islam, Mr Qadri needs to be executed without delay. if not, tomorrow we will see people with their interpretation of blasphamy and justifying every murder they commit in the name of Muhammad PBUH.
Not worth a comments from any Muslim....
Love for all hatred for none
@kanwal: Why and when? Don't run away but do something to improve conditions in your home country.
For many years now, I have been watching the fight of the combined 72 sects of constitutional Muslims against the single Ahmadiyya Jamaat, who claim to be "Muslims by conscience". This reminds me of a verdict of the greatest and best of all Prophets. I stand by the verdict of the Holy Prophet Mohammad(saw).
Only these issues are left in Pakistan. Khatme nabuwat, Ahmadis, Shias, Blasphemy. People, go and do something useful, for goodness sake.
The profile of the proponents of religious bigotry and lawlessness is astounding. Leaves very little hope for improvement in the conditions of the persecuted groups. And hypocritically these are the people who most vociferously demand good/equal treatment for the Muslims living in the non-Muslim counties. To them, secular system is the only just system in the non-Muslim countries and severely criticize any minute deviation. For them the Jewish/Hindu state is evil, but a Muslim state is a bliss. It is difficult to determine what kind of sub-human material they are made of.
@kanwal: And thank All India Congress Committee (1947) that India was partitioned.
@Bismillah
Then don't complain when u get arrested for blasphemy. Don't like it plz leave
The people who are glorifying a killer how they will convience non muslims that our prophet was a rahmat for all.? all people who codone violence in the name of prophet are verse than Rushdie.
When there is nothing to say or do then blame Ahmadis just as there was a time when an accident took place or a dog was killed people would say its Ayub's (President Ayub) fault.
Lal Masjid Maulana- INNOCENT
Qadri- INNOCENT
Malik Ishaq- INNOCENT
Ahmadis- GUILTY
Shias GUILTY
Aasia Bibi- GUILTY
Justice- Pakistan style.
By the way a serious question from all Pakistani nationalists and a serious reply is requested - How many RAW / Mossad / CIA agents do you see in this open, public conference ?
You are destroying your own country with your OWN hands.
Why is everybody so concerned about Ahmadies? They have doctrinal differences with the majority, but this does mean that they should be oppressed. Ahmadies are law abiding and peaceful people and the majority should give them their constitutional rights.
Very good effort by Khatam e nabuwat . Ahmadis should either stop there activities or leave the country.
This land belongs to GOD and only his command is sufficient for us.
The Khatme Nabuwat Conference is hatred and bigotry based organization that is spreading extremism for decades if they have guts, they should debate with the Ahmadis and let the people decide and see what Ahmadis say. AHMADIS BELIEVE IN FINALITY OF NBUWAT AND ANY MULLAH WHO BELIEVES THEY DON'T SHOULD GO FOR AN EDUCATED DEBATE. THEIR WHOLE STRONG ARGUMENT IS BELIEVE ME ARE YOU ARE OUT OF THE PALE OF ISLAM. Because of these hate mongering Mullahs without any argument, Ahmadis are spreading and advancing in all spheres of life all over the world. As revere Moulana Gamdi says that we should debate and invite them to the fold of Islam if we are right. there are seventy three different opinions of Islam and all consider KAFIR to each others, people come out of this gimmick spread by hate mongering Mullahs.
America and Europe should bring new amendments and should deport All Tableeghi and Sunni Extremists from their countries and let them live in Pakistan the best place for them. Many Tableeghis are living in UK while back home they are responsible for the mess in which Pakistan is right now. Also again Thanks to the Curse of Bhutto who brought these amendments in the first place. Bhutto cursed this nation and still many so called liberal Hypocrite writers like Nadeem F paracha are worshipping and praising bhutto for all his extremist deeds.
@Enlightened: Majority of Pakistanis are not mute spectators, rather they are cheerleaders and happy viewers.
@Ahmad:
Well I'm not sure you guys are going to like where you're heading. But yeah, what a way to go.
"Demanding amendments in the country’s laws, the participants said that the religious activities of the Ahmadi community should be banned in Pakistan"
so you admit you could not stop Ahmadis despite of Zia's laws therefore demanding more legislation.
Captain Safdar was also present.... Proves once again PML-N is partner is all crimes against minorities, and voices of sanity.
@mustafa:
I beg your pardon, but the constitution you speak of, isn't it the same one that is amended, debated and kicked around by the same respectful 'parliament' when it comes to presidential immunity etc.on daily basis?
Constitution is not the 'Holy' scripture in any sense. It is an ever evolving document that needs pruning ever so often. Anti-Ahmadiyya laws were a political move by Bhutto to gain sympathies of religious factions at the time and nothing more.
This is bad, real bad. Who are these people and why are they bent upon maligning the good name of our Prophet and His teachings. Why, indeed? How can teachings and generosity of the "Rehmat Ul Alameen" be limited to small group of exploiters of His name. This is just not what our Prophet (PBUH) would want or wish us His followers to do. This is simply outrageous and silence of the rest of us is even more dangerous. Shame on such sick acts of a few who have hijacked our religion, our Prophet and indeed our Allah as well and shame on us for letting this take place while we sit on the fringes and be silent spectators.
This news item is yet another blot on Pakistan's sagging image in international community. Scores of Shias who are otherwise Muslims are already getting killed on regular basis and God only knows the future of Ahmadi community, would meet the same fate if govt of Pakistan remains a mute spectator.
That is already in place, isn’t it? Pakistan the epitome of religious freedom.
They call up a meeting in the name of our beloved Prophet (PBUH) and then instead of remembering him and celebrating his personality all they do is think up of new ways to persecute an already persecuted minority.
Been trying to stop Ahmadiyya Community for well over 120 years with no success. Keep trying !
Someone in Govt gave them permission to hold this conference!
Imagine the reaction to Ahmedis planning to organise a conference with "Khatme XYZ" title!
This conference was attended by ordinary Pakistanis who are happy to discriminate a minority sect and even ask of its elimination! What load of hypocracy when they criticise discrimination against muslims in West (or East in Burma ...)
What exactly there agenda is? As a Muslim we have to bring Islam in states matter. We are obliged to live our life according to Islam so clearly as a Muslim secularism is not acceptable. And according to Ahadees and Sunah we have to give rights to Non-Muslims but Islam has its conditions. Or if some one is more wiser than ISLAM, what more can i say 'strongly influenced by movies.'
This makes perfect sense under the light of Pakistan Penal Code 298B and 298C. When you legitimize persecution with state law, you are all partner in crime. But I'm curious what other restrictions do these self-proclaimed caretakers of Islam want to impose now?
I see several MNAs in the list of those making these demands. Will people continue to say that people with extremist views do not get elected?
" their social activities should be monitored. " so now state is going to take care of how much oxygen ahmadis inhale or how much carbon dioxide they exhale. if you still dont think that this state is jet set ready to be doomed then good luck.
When these guys can organize events and spread hate speech without any condemnation or sanction no one wonder hatred spreads. Stay ingulfed in hate filled rhetoric against the whole world and thrive on conspiracy theories.
The problem arises when people start claiming that I am holier than you, listen to me or else. Else meaning taking laws into their own hands. Pakistan has crossed that threshold.
May Allah's curse on this craziness
The more you suppress Ahmedis in Pakistan the more they flourish in other countries.By opposing and persecuting them you are just moving them out of Pakistan and providing them better living conditions and prosper more in west stregnthenig as a more organised community and spreading their message. Blessing in disguise.
In the next conference I will propose a motion to call for a welcoming of Stone age party.
It is about time that the World Community open their eyes to this ethnic cleansing.
Way to go! There, i said it!!
@Mirza, Pakistanis have already decided to go with islam rather than secularists/closet atheists.
Khatme-Nabuwat strategy in US and Europe is much better and effective. Here they focus on debate , Argument and respect for Ahmedies. I just do not understand why same can not be applied back in pakistan.
Molvies in pakistan have failed by miles over and over.
Way to go! There, i said it!
Feel sorry for this lot. Key takeouts or topics discussed in meeting summarized - release a self confessed killer Qadri as he is innocent, Stop a group from performing their religious obligations and worship, declare a sect non muslim in a certain part of the country. Fairly bleak outcome and regressive steps at a conference in honor of a man who was sent as a mercy and blessing for all mankind. Imagine what he would be thinking after observing all this...
Passing judgement should not be allowed, Ahamadis have been declared non muslim by the parliment and its legal now.
These statements are alarming specially about Mumtaz Qadri, he did a crime without doubt as per Pakistani law and Islamic values.He took the law in his hand , there is nothing to prove that he did something unislamic.
Pakistan should not become hostage of this minority , who want to force their version on all others.
Pakistan is for people of all faiths and we should all respect each other feelings.
Welcome to Banana republic!!
LOL, what a joke party!
I am glad i left Pakistan when i did.
ajmal qadri should be hanged in public
“A resolution, proposed by Justice(r) Nazeer Ahmed-----and others demanded Malik Mumtaz Qadri, the self-confessed killer of former Punjab Governor Salman Taseer, has not committed any offence by killing him and should be released.” The participants included the killer Qadri’s family and known political and religious leaders including PML-N elected members. It is up to Pakistanis to decide whether they want to go with these people or stay with the secular parties. All the parties in Pakistan are filled with corruption and there is hardly any difference among them. The only difference is how extreme each party is to keep the peace in the country and the terrorists at bay.
terror spreading goons :(