In the case of the PPP, the silence is mere cowardice. In the case of the PML-N and the PTI, the silence is calculated; a cold-blooded conclusion that there are seats to be gained from turning a blind eye. What is more interesting though is the silence of the khakis. Because of all institutions, it is the Army that has the most to lose.
The fact of the matter is that the armed forces are a pluralistic institution. Our officer corps includes not just Muslims of every shade but also Christians, Parsis and even Ahmadis. More importantly, while Shias form 25 per cent of Pakistan’s population, there is some evidence that they form an even larger part of the officer cadre. The Army may, therefore, be able to survive the day when Muslims refuse to obey Christians. But it will not survive the day when Sunnis refuse to obey Shias. Assuming that the Army knows this, the question arises as to why it is doing nothing. My understanding is that there are two reasons — one official, one unofficial.
The official reason is that it is not the Army’s job to determine the ideological contours of this country. Instead, that is the job of the civilian leadership.
Pardon the language but I am going to call ‘bullshit’ on that one. This country has been ruled for decades at a time by the military. Even otherwise, the military has generally been the single-most important political force in Pakistan. More importantly, while the roots of discrimination in our Constitution were introduced by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, the reason why those seedlings of hate took hold and spread is because of General Ziaul Haq and his minions. If the Army is now troubled by sectarianism in Pakistan, it cannot wash its hands of the matter.
What, then, is the real argument?
The real argument is that the rank and file of the Army have been deliberately indoctrinated with the belief that they are warriors of Allah whose job is to keep infidels at bay. In other words, the average soldier’s patriotism has a distinctly religious tinge in which Pakistan is a fortress of Islam and its enemies are also enemies of Islam.
Now this worldview is certainly useful in motivating people to kill Indians. At the same time, it has limited utility when it comes to jihadis because the jihadis claim to be even better Muslims than us.
Till date, the Army has tried to deal with this problem not by changing its propaganda but by painting jihadis as Indian stooges. It has done so because it believes the present moment is simply too delicate for wholesale ideological retooling. In other words, the Army thinks that telling the jawans to protect a pluralistic ideal could well result in mass mutiny. At a practical level, this is undoubtedly a very powerful argument. There is also ample historical precedent for not worrying about subtleties in the middle of a war.
To take one famous example, the Bolsheviks spent 1917-1942 preaching to the world that nationalism was a bourgeois disease. However, when the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union, Marxist orthodoxy was swiftly jettisoned in favour of a full-throated nationalism and the cult of ‘Mother Russia’. This was because the average Soviet soldier was far more willing to die for his country than for the sake of class solidarity.
But does this strategy make any sense in the case of Pakistan’s current situation? Not in my view.
The whole point of a military ideology is to objectify the enemy, i.e., to reduce the opponent to an evil caricature who can be killed without compunction. Accordingly, the most important function of a military ideology is to allow differentiation between ‘us’ and ‘them’ so that the others can then be caricatured and killed.
In the case of the Germans, hyper-nationalism made sense because it allowed Joseph Stalin to portray the invaders as evil Huns. Similarly, jihadi nationalism makes some sense as a military ideology if the enemy is India because Indian troops can all be lumped into the category of ‘kafirs’. However, in the case of the TTP, jihadi nationalism is useless because it fails to adequately differentiate the enemy from ourselves.
Our current national ideology is a muddled mess in which we have decided both, that all citizens shall have the right of freedom of religion and that the state will decide their religion for them. This really doesn’t work.
Let me be more blunt. By stating in our Constitution that certain people (i.e. Ahmadis) do not have the right to consider themselves Muslims, we have accepted the argument that an individual’s religious identity is a political matter. It is not possible to reconcile that argument with what the rest of the world considers to be freedom of religion. Moreover, this conflict is not just theoretical: we have thoroughly legalised persecution of Ahmadis and yawned in the face of their suffering.
The net result is that there is only a difference of degree, and not a difference of principle, between the state of Pakistan and the emirate envisioned by the TTP. The state excommunicates Ahmadis. The TTP excommunicates both Ahmadis and Shias.
Pakistan, therefore, has two options. The rational option is to move in a more pluralistic direction where the state doesn’t have the right to define anyone as a non-Muslim. The politically feasible option is to continue with the status quo but to try and differentiate our particular brand of witch-hunting from the tactics of the TTP. I understand that the rational option is politically dangerous. Unfortunately, the politically feasible option doesn’t work for Shias like me. That’s because we’re likely to wind up dead under that option. Furthermore, while preserving the status quo may work in the short term, the long-term result of such cowardice is likely to be civil war.
Rationally speaking, the Army no longer has the option of staying silent. Yes, it is not the Army’s job to fix our muddled and hateful beliefs. But if the Army doesn’t at least prod the civilians into acting, this country will fall apart. When that happens, there will be no Pakistan. And no Pakistan Army either.
Published in The Express Tribune, August 29th, 2012.
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As usual, today its the Shias, tomorrow the Christians then the Hindus; maybe floods, or WAPDA or even an earthquake, but every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks he is qualified to advise the Army to come out and support his limited position. When the Army comes it will be total, do not expect it to jump in the pond without getting wet; the constitution is out of the window along with democracy.
@Tariq Mehmood: After reading your peace loving comments my request to you is take a long holiday.
@straightup: I dont know from which faith you are from? But in Islam we do not separate religion from state, and mainly from politics. So plz dont teach us on the western democratic and anti-theist lines. As far as Quadianies are concerned they were declared non-muslims by law because they claimed themselves to be Muslims which they are not. So they are and will be an outcast.
@nomi: in fact for last few days i was away so let me tell u something. Whatever u read in my mails was to counter Indian propaganda who are bouchering Muslims in India but trying to poke their dirty nose in our affaris, ok. As for as reference to Shias kilings in Pakistan is concerend, I outrightly condemen them i shre yur views. But my theme was to only foucus on Indain criticism on our affaris which no Pakistani shuld like, from ur commetns howevr, it seems u feel / consider killings of Sunnies justifeid as u mentioned about Burma and Europe, so i feel sorry for that, for me u are a muslim and a brother,But if u consider my killing justified and a source of revenge and pleasure . so i just can feel sorry over ur thinking. But try to unerstand , in case of Shias state is not the party it a sectarian issue between two sects then why to tarnish state in the outside worl over the issue.
Looks like the Faujis have taken the 'Fifth Amendment'.
"You have the right to remain silent if opening your mouth incriminates you."
Hey writer of this article, I've spent TWENTY FIVE years in Armed Forces and am still serving. Amongst us, there are no Shias, Sunnis, Christians, Ahmadis etc. We are all PAKISTANIS!!! You got to believe me for I've spent more than two decades in uniform. I've not even read ur complete article cos it's flawed from the very beginning. Please be corrected on ur opinion about men in uniform. Peace! :)
Paki army is s bigger coward than PPP. And they are bunch of property dealers and are only interested in personal gains. I long for a day to see these bunch of thugs see the same fate as Iraqi army. They are the sole reason for the destruction of this country
@ Mr, Vikas I think you should worry about your own nation rather commenting on Pakistan's situation. Maoists hate your system, Bodo rebellion is there, Kashmir,Nagaland, Modi has yet to be prosecuted, then your government go onto blame us from troubles in Assam to sneeze take by your Prime Minister. All the neighboring nations don't enjoy good relations with India from China-Srilanka-Pakistan-Nepal-Bangladesh. Get real attend your matters otherwise there is a saying in Urdu (Payron Taley Zameen Keech Gaei). And wait for the Afghanistan matter to settle you guys will have a time of your life.
@Tariq Mehmood: I completely disagree with you. What 'filth' you saw in this article? The writer is just blunt in his argument. His argument that rising tensions between Shia and Sunni is the most potential threat to federation is not completely wrong. Dont use such strong words in simple arguments, Sir Mehmood.
“…Sunnis refuse to obey Shias.” Why?
“More importantly, while Shias form 25 per cent of Pakistan’s population, there is some evidence that they form an even larger part of the officer cadre. The Army may, therefore, be able to survive the day when Muslims refuse to obey Christians. But it will not survive the day when Sunnis refuse to obey Shias.” Sir, are you trying to provoke the Shia officers as you say that: “Assuming that the Army knows this, the question arises as to why it is doing nothing.” Under the garb of the Army as a whole, are you trying to entice the Shias, whom you say “form an even larger part of the officer cadre” not to promote pluralism as the army is already pluralistic but something more sinister?
I believe no minority should be discriminated against nor the majority for that matter. You ignore certain relevant facts that should have been included in your analysis, such as, the Shia dominance of the Pakistani state and most of its institutions. This is causing a violent reaction, which in turn causes the Shias to react and hence a vicious cycle is in effect. No one has offered any successful solution to the problem, including your “enlightened” self.
The current COAS is supporting democracy; no chance for army rule dear
why are you discussing Army, you do know nothing.
I remember my village school days. I never had any Muslim, Sikh or christian in my village in India. But i had been told about them since that time. The village teacher had told us Hindu,muslim,sikh,isai aapas mein hain bhai bhai. It is only when my parents got me admitted to a boarding school,i saw them. All of them, Patrick ,Pupinder, Salim... they all remain my friend till date.
Kudos to Faisal for having the courage to write boldly about a simmering problem. I can't think of a leader in the current bunch of nincompoops who has the vision to lead us out of this quagmire. The little hope Imran Khan was offering has also been watered down by his embracing people like Sh. Rashid.
It's finally coming down to Shamat'e A'maal ma surate' Nadir garift It's becoming increasingly apparent that the hard liners will soon be ruling the silent majority who still naively think that pen may be mightier than the sword.
Asking the army to step in blatantly is not the option i would go for, neither will it help in the longer run. But i agree that the army has more than sufficient political influence and resources to coerce the civilian leadership into solving this problem before it destroy's us all!
@gp65: your's is the most profound comment. but, sad, that it is too late.... article is going to be relegated to the second page, and your views will be burried in the bickering of india-pakistan.
It is a nice article but I believe it is too late. Religious extremism has taken our country to a point of no return.
@Bhatti:
Your neighbors (Indians) have noticed a fire next door which no one is trying to extenguish and may envelope the entrie neighborhood if neighbor is not vigilant and cautions his neighbor about the cause of fire and how to extenguish it.
The military is in a catch twenty two situation and the author is dead right in its observation that it cannot be complacent in the sectarian killings going on in Pakistan, affecting morale of the troops. However, the best coarse open is that the civil govt and military should adopt a joint action plan to deal with this extra-ordinary situation which may go out of hand and as apprehended by the Army Chief, a civil war might break out in the near future.
I agree with the points by Asim.
Overall this is a naive and poorly informed article and has not touched on any practical ground reality.
@Arifq: “The state excommunicates Ahmadis. The TTP excommunicates both Ahmadis and Shias.” TTP considers and treats Barelvis/Sufi’s as their enemy thus the attacks on Sufi shrines across Pakistan. Fear the day when these two start killing each other and it may happen sooner than we expect.
It's already happening next door
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/taliban-behead-17-party-goers-after-2-women-start-dancing/story-fnd134gw-1226459417988
It is getting nearer and nearer to its doomsday and the public still does not realize what the Mullahs and the Fanatics have done to this country. It is now a self propelled, unguided missile heading towards total destruction.
Mr. Naqvi you did bluntly pointed out certain valid facts. Your analysis regarding minorities little too far fetch. Shia's were n are one the major minority who benefited n enjoyed real fruits of independence. In army (as you pointed out), railway, telecommunication, irrigation, national airline, steal mill just name few, shia's were loaded. At present PPP, PTI n MQM again this so called minority, is in majority. Christian's always lived in peace, practiced freedom of reliogion n enjoyed good job (if qualified). Hindu's are also living in peace n in interior Sind almost run economy based upon Berhaman n no one question them. Ahmadis, yes it was Mr. Butto's n his party hunger for power which fall upon Ahmadis. By all this my point is that minorities need to think hard n realize that it can'nt go on sucking majority rights or privileges just because they are minority. Same applies to small provinces who are sucking Punjab, by just namely it as a big brother.
@Adnan: I am a Shia who comes from 100 % Shia village in Punjab, my village has about 14000 people, and I do not think Shia form majority in officers rank, but they are fairly represented as foot soldiers. Also Shia are toughest and hardest fighting people by nature, and they make good contribution in armed forces, my elder brother served as an officer in defence forces and I have slight idea about it all. Mind you my nephews are in a cadet college and they are best athletes in their respective batches.
Once majority of Pakistani Shias thought that Pakistan is no more safe for them, that will be the end of State of Pakistan in current form. Many people underestimate Shia power and their contribution in Pakistani society.Till today Pakistani Shia are not against the State and I can not see that change any time soon, because terror can not defeat Shias in Pakistan period.
Your plea seems to be a little bit like Shahbaaz Sharif to the TTP - we believe n the same things as you - why are you attacking us. Equally you seem to actually justify the deliberate hate Hindu campaign within the contry without any reference to what impact that would have onPakistani Hindus. Were not particularly concerned about ongoing oppression of Ahmadis including declaring them non-Muslims. SO now if Sunnis think you are not Muslims and target you - why do you cry? - If humans rather than God are able to judge the faith and religion of other humans - If killing non-Muslims is justified
why are you surprised at what is happening?
The fact is it is not army intervention but only when textbooks are purged of hatred of kafir, state (judge, media, civil society, politicians) will become more vocal about the rights of minority and take concerted steps for their protection and finally the law declaring Ahmadis as non-Muslims is removed that sanity will return to Pakistan.
I hope for Pakistan's sake that the day comes soon.
The author is a bit confused because at one point he says he is shia, and another he says he'd rather support politically feasible solutions which are democratic, and in his opinion not pro shia. What are you talking about mr. Naqvi?
@Tariq Mehmood:
is this the level of your reponse?
and where did i question pakistan's existence?
ok, let me enlighten you, that you are already PAK/2.
keep crowing and throwing urdu couplets, before you become PAK/3.
First they came for the communist and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the trade unionist and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics and I didn't speak out because I was Protestant. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Could the writer please provide authentic source of his claims: More importantly, while Shias form 25 per cent of Pakistan’s population, there is some evidence that they form an even larger part of the officer cadre.
It is a well-worded article and I respect the opinion of the writer, but there are a few fractures - a knowledge gap indeed. I am certain the writer too would respect my opinion. Albeit, he has mentioned the pluralistic character of Pakistan Army, he is actually not aware of the nature of pluralism existing in the Armed forces. Punjabi, Pathan, Sindhi, Baloch, Kashmiri, Qabaili, Gilgiti, Balti and other officers and soldiers are serving in the Armed Forces in a manner that at times they do not, at times, even know as to who is who? So are the Muslim - Sunni, Shia - Christian, Ahmadi, Parsi, Sikh and Hindu are serving together in the Armed Forces. Often, they do not know of each other's religious or sectarian identity and live amicably. There is only one mosque in each unit. All and sundry pray irrespective of whether they are Sunnis or Shias, pray together. If someone does not want to pray with others, he can pray alone in the same mosque as it is neither Sunni nor Shia mosque. Christians go to their own churches and the Muslim officers and soldiers (irrespective of whether Sunni or Shia) join them in their important functions like Christmas or Easter etc. Sunni soldiers don't hesitate to fight Sunni criminals or terrorists. Likewise, Shia soldiers have often brawled with Shia criminals. This is, indeed, the pluralistic and professional character of Pakistan Armed Forces. I sincerely urge upon the writer and other like-minded people to refrain from dragging the Armed Forces into sectarian, something that is required to be handled by the civil society, clerics and the political leadership. Let the Armed Forces remain intact and pluralistic as they are. Long live Pakistan, and long live pluralistic character of Pakistan Armed Forces
Dear Pakistanis US has landed Curisoity on Mars and India has announced an unmanned Satellite to Mars +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Either learn to live peacefully among yourselves or send the minorities to Mars.
@Tariq Mehmood: You seem to have failed grasping the meat of this articles. You have totally missed out the seriousness surrounding the fact that we, Pakistanis have made ourselves Godlike and have taken the authority to discriminate in matters exclusively relating to God and its believers. We have no such right. Who are we to stop Ahmadis from offering Eid prayers and confiscating thier Mosques citing encrochment. It's extreme hypocracy that almost all mosques belonging to majority sects have been built on lands which were not bought by legal means. The Mosque mafia is most fearsome in Pakistan. It is the same ignorant Mosque mafia which has beaten up 11 year old christian girl. One of their leader, that Hafiz Whatever is the culprit behind this atrocity. He claimed that she has conspired against Allah. People! please come down to earth, you are not what you claim to be. Religions across the world are being re-evaluated and new strategies are being developed to encounter the obvious eventuality. The religion is going to be reduced down to reality of what it is. It is a thing of the heart and state has to leave it at that.
@Tariq Mehmood: "did u notice maximum comments are from Indians." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Actually far more comments from Indians get rejected by ET...I know my score. So the actual Indian comments are far more than what you see online:)
You must get Captain Malik to rescue you from this Indian deluge !
@Raj - USA: "How this all started and led to this situation?" +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ To broaden your question: How did Pakistan became the global epicentre of terror? How Pakistan gave way to dictatorship ? How Pakistani economy became crippled? How Pakistani became a jihadi /religious fundamentalist country? How Pakistani society became so narrow minded and bigoted?
Reminds me of a train hurtling at a high speed with no driver and reaching the edge of the mountain.
Tariq Mehmood
My reply has not been posted so I will reply again very briefly, not even once you condemned shia killings. Almost half of Pakistanis consider shias non-muslims. People like you refute the facts.
Muslims in Burma and Palestine are your dear ones and not the Shias of Pakistan.
Mentioning InshAllah and MashAllah in our posts does not mean Pakistan will prosper. Your delusional thinking and denial of facts and insensitivity towards Shias will come back to haunt you and your kind.
As a Pakistani, I am disgusted how you mercilessly ignore the atrocities against Shias. Do not cry if some sunni muslims are attacked in Europe.
The mere mention of Pakistan's real face irks you and start blabbering about anti-pakistan material.
In the history of the world, there are only 2 nations created in the name of Religion. Both are failed states and doomed (Pakistan and Israel). Even the Quran only allows MIGRATION under persecution. Is Hijrat to Mecca not enough of an example? Also the first state created by the Muslims in Madina had religion separated from the affairs of the state ! The Jews, Christians and Muslims were judged under their own religious beliefs. Pakistan is a series of errors, mistakes and blunders and has no place in the future. It broke up just after 24 years of its creation. The minority that was left, kept the name ! I look forward to the day when there will be no borders and the sub-continent will be a safe, humane, free place to live.
You are a Shia and I am a Sunni. I declare you my brother till death do us apart.
The writer Mr Naqvi has intelligently draw the line about the nationalism and religious sectarian pervailing in the country. The Bolsheviks example is well suited with the article. However I am really displeased about the subject and asking about the Army to solve the religious contours. One side he is mentioning about the role of army on other side he say Army can't wash its hands of the matter. Very unrealistic article. The solution towards the religious sectarian is lie in the hands of Political and Religious parties and more importantly to the masses it self who are first responsible like in Disaster the first responders are the local one than the aid come across the Nation and World, firstly the hatred spreading forces should be stop at masses level than the polictical and religious parties should eliminate those force from their nest and than the Government through strict measures and punishment against the those elements who are spreading the hatred without any discrimination.
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@unbeliever: Jawab ay Jahilan Bashad Khamosi. Pakistan is a reality and will remain reality since it has come into existance to stay on the Map of this world, Inshah Allah. If u dont accept this reality and dont like the people on this side of the fence that is your headache not ours. So keep beating your drums as loud as were beaten by Sardar Patle like people and many more on your side now. We are here to stay and stay whether some one likes it or not.
@Bhatti: Why do you want to harm your english newspaper?Already no economy....you should be grateful that we r helping you in some way.
And if they broke silence, people like you will have to keep silence.
@A Pakistani: whats the basis for 5 to 10% shia population in Pakistan as claimed by you?
though a biased article but pinpointing a live problem in pakistan. shud b remembered that this extremist sectarianism in pakistan is a post iranian revolution phenomenon, when the revolution tried to flex muscles and tried to export itself in all directions. this gave birth to anti shia forces in also a extremist format. mostly considered to b tug of war between iran and saudis duly backed by west. army is trying to curb the tendency within itself with great success but the democratic civilian leadership has to take their responsibility or blame, since now coalition parties have completed full tenure.
May Allah help them , and make peace amongst all.
@Salman: i know salman ,its u. Photo Guy. keep it ups means u do get time to read and write.
unbeliever
An even greater Indian friend, at one time you say there is no need for a moral basis to point out others' shortcomings and then you taunt with debacle of 71.
Lets get to the fun part, Everyone can and should flay others on their wrong doings when they admit that they too need to improve.
Your indian ego is inflated when Pakistan burns. This is where your charade of indian secularism needs to be shattered, so you can look how NOT so perfect you really are.
Now 71 debacle, our people and the state are shameless in all respects and we still pay the price; however, the only way you have any right to tell this to us is when you recognize your horrific failures as well.
A Pakistani
Another deluded fellow Pakistani.
Next time some sunni muslims are shot in Iran, we will debate their population percentage.
@Bhatti: Dont you keep track of what is happening in your neighborhood ? Would suggest you also keep track about Afghanistan , Iran and India. Anything happening in your neighborhood will have its impact on Pakistan remember the millions of refugees that came from Afghanistan not all of whom have gone back, they are a drain and problem for Pakistan as are the Bangladeshi refugees that came to India in 1971 a problem for us in Assam.
@Omar Omar: "Hindus have already been reduced from some 12% of the population to under 2% now and Pakistan survived. Ahmadis are already hiding their identity, jettisoning their beliefs (converting) or leaving Pakistan. There’s no reason to believe that Pakistan can’t survive the same for Shias. I don’t see the point in calling for change now that Shias are under threat given that we didn’t call for change when Hindus and Ahmadis were threatened."
Wrong. Hindus and Ahmadis are a tiny percentage of overall population and hence don't have any other option but to meekly surrender or runaway. That is not the case with Shias. They form a sizable percentage of the population. Though relatively a more peaceful sect they are bound to hit back in case of an existential threat even if they don't get support from Iran.
Dear, Commentators, did u notice maximum comments are from Indians. U see how intersted they are in our affaris. And when we or anybody else in the world talks about plight of the Muslims in India in general and particularly current massacre of Muslims in thier states it suddenly becomes thier "INTERNAL MATTER. Dual Face With Dual Policies, ofcourse, being highly inspired from Chankia Kotilia and Machiavelli. Lay off please.
@A Pakistani: according to a PEW research, conducted in 2009 (link given below), Shia make-up for 10-15% of total population. Pls get your figures right before commenting. http://www.pewforum.org/Muslim/Mapping-the-Global-Muslim-Population(6).aspx
@A Pakistani: well done brother. u are right and he needs to check his clumsy details shuffed in this biased article.
When Army did operation in Baluchistan, writers like you were calling it as human violation. Its the job of police to curb sectarian violence not army. Army has not taken theka of every thing.
@A Pakistani : Whether they are 5 , 10 or 25 % is not the issue .
"Even otherwise, the military has generally been the single-most important political force in Pakistan" +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Now replace the word 'force'with Party".
Good piece. Naqvi, just one flaw. Your being a Shia is your personal business, even though I do appreciate your concern. But I am worried that you will limit your space in the future.
I just don't get it! why INDIANS log on to Pakistani News Website... Just Curious!! What's in it for them?
All nation including govt. institutions and army are going to divide in to groups, Anti-taliban and pro taliban.
You reap what you sow. You can point to so called Hindu fundamentalism to seek a parity that does not exist. But living like an ostrich sure feels good. Blaming others is the national practice.
@Hatim: That's because Army has created the mess by doing something... And it can just not reap the benefits and sit quietly and not do something about it and leave the mess for the civilians to deal with.
The net result is that there is only a difference of degree and not of principle, between the state of Pakistan and the emirate envisioned by TTP.
And did the TTP manage to all the 'envisioning' by itself, or were they assisted by those who claim monopoly over the ideological frontiers of the state of Pakistan?
And,did the experience of cleansing the Kashmir valley of all Hindus, help in this envisioning process.
@nomi:
great pakistani friend, what VIKAS was pointing out was truth. and what Mr. Naqvi is delineating is also a fact. both are cold and hard facts. and, you were trying to derail the entire discussion by shifting the entire debate to india, when there was no need for it.
so, when there is a topic discussing india, we will cordially participate. but till the time comes, you can wait. also, there is no need of a moral high-ground if you want to point out someone else's flaw. because if that were the case, your mouth is shut for next hundred years because of atrocities on bengalis.
what else can they do?
@ unbeliever
Nitpicking!
It is the citizens of a great secular republic of India that is nitpicking. This charade of nehruvian secularism many of our eastern neighbours display needs to dealt with contempt.
As far as Shias is concerned, the state has been shameless for a long time now and frankly it is up to the Shias in the armed forces to make it clear to the GHQ that Shias will respond if nothing is done.
My second comment was not published. I will briefly state my points.
The army is caught in anti americanism and reality. They have to pretend that everything is an external hand. The recent Kiyani speech is actually an admission that most our problems are internal.
Gorbacheve was not a civilion but a most powerfull man on earth being the head of USSR. This man is recognised as one of the greatest leader of modern time for he abandoned the powerfull communist system in the world.The communism was a white elephant which was meant to serve the priveleged class.The sudden collapse of communism was to the astonishment of many but still not to all.In my view the same is going to happen with Pakistan where status-quo is in the intrests of khakis.Anyone abandonig the status-quo will be my hero I don't care who do it.
Feisal,
Shias are the mute spectators, nonetheless majority are supporters of atrocities against so called kafirs (Hindus, Ahmadis, Christians.. etc) since the creation of Pakistan .Religion should be a private matter of citizens not something that should lead a nation.what @vikas said might be rude but it is true. The rich Muslim landlords of Punjab and uttar pradesh expecting the land reforms would be implemented after independence brought the bogey called as Islam for creation of Pakistan to save their assets. These elite(as called in Pakistan) landlords does not follow basic tenants of Islam but declared themselves as champions of it. The quest for something that defines the identity(spirit of islam) of new nation brought some vicious laws such as objectives resolution, ordinance xx, blasphemy law etc. Shias did not care and encouraged them when others are persecuted. Have they tried to stop above laws the situation might be different in Pakistan. This will not stop with shias and will continue till Pakistan finds it true identity. In the mean time the elite(landlords, generals, bureaucrats, judges) who created the mess migrates to some nice western countries leaving the common people in Hell.
A country will develop only if the country provides fair opportunities to all citizens irrespective of religion, sects etc. I am not saying India is perfect, it had its own problems(Gujarat riots, Sikh riots) but we tend to resolve them by strong judiciary, meaningful dialogue, providing political space to the oppressed sects etc. After all we are a country of billion population, so problems will occur in future also and will be sorted through dialogue.. etc.
The soon the citizens of Pakistan realizes the danger they are heading the better it will be. Otherwise Pakistan is going to be doomed to fail.
Good thoughts and good article. How this all started and led to this situation?
It started with conversions, almost all of which, were forced conversions. Hindus and India mean the same and are synonymous in Pakistan. It was so then and still the same today. India also had the same culture. But it has changed a lot in the last 20 years but still remains in pockets. So we saw Gujrat 10 years ago. The Ummah concept destroyed Pakistan's Nationality. India is much better off as Hindus in India did not try to convert Muslims of India. Also Muslims of India were able to form their own political parties. Conversions were never because of love for the Hindus but because of the hate for them and to take a revenge on them. This hatred spread to others, such as, Ahmedis, and Shias and has also crossed religious barriers and spread to hatred for Baluch, Mohajirs, and Hazaras. To such low levels it has gone today, that Ahmedies who died decades ago cannot rest peacefully even in their graves, non-muslims cannot draw water from the upper side of flowing rivers so as not to pollute the water before the muslim draws at the lower end of the stream, non-muslims cannot share the same table even in public restaurants and are served in separate plates that are not used by muslims. At one time Hindus and Christians were the only non-muslims. Today, it includes Ahmedis, Shias and many more .... all except Sunnis. Pakistan has not realized the evils that conversions has brought to it. When you say that you are not a Pakistani with full rights and obligations unless you are a Sunni Muslim, you forcefully convert a patriotic citizen to a traitor.
Who is to be blamed? The Army may have started it and religious leaders and Madrasas may have preached it. But it was mainly taught and practiced right within homes, and in the Government and private schools. School text books teach these to muslims and non-muslims are also forced to learn these hatreds. So, army or religious leaders cannot do much to change the situation. How many of the followers of any religion really follow any good principles that their religious leaders may preach? It is a very tiny faction in every religion. When you go to temple or mosque, you pray to God to bless you with health and wealth and happiness. You seldom ask god to give you good thoughts or pray for the prosperity and wellbeing of your community or nation. You pray for you and your family alone.
Only way to change course is that good practices, culture, ethics and morality should be taught at homes. Communities may organize groups that should include both muslims and non-muslims where everyone pledges to change for the better. This should be done periodically and should not be just a one-time event. Political leaders should play a major part in spreading these reformed thoughts.
As of today in Pakistan, there are either good muslims or practicing muslims but very few good and practicing muslims. A good muslim knows the holy book by heart; a practicing muslim has the principles and teachings of the holy book in his heart though he may not be able to recite them properly and fully. Imran Khan like Nawaz Sherif and DPC leaders are good muslims not practicing muslims. Zardari on the other hand, may be more of a practicing muslim though many from his party are not.
The move from a dogmatic Sunni nationalist Islamist narrative won't happen under Kayani. There are anecdotes of applications for positions in the forces being discriminately rejected based on minority sect names, and some senior minority sect officers marginalized from meetings or even seeing confidential information.
There's that incredible sabotage by the Pak army when they strangled the last supply route of the anti-Taliban Turi tribe in Kurram when they had the Haqqanis and the Taliban on the ropes, but were forced into a peace deal for access into Afghanistan. The army were uninterested in protecting them from any sectarian attacks.
Many at the top themselves, like most of Pak society, may hold hypocritical prejudice and hegemonic bias, so appealing to them maybe a lost cause. Read your fellow contributor's, Ejaz Haider, articles on how the military disingenuously views sectarian massacres as being 'both sides', or simply 'tribal' as the north is concerned.
My extreme sympathies with the Shias victims and their families and it gives some lesson to all minorities. When Ahmadis were persecuted (they are still persecuted) other minorities were quiet then came Christians, Hindus and now Shias are slaughtered in the name of Islam along with other minorities. Where is the end!!! The end is in our own hands and all of us must openly and fiercely condemn such unIslamic deeds in the name of Islam. It is the seed sowed by Bhutto (to gain political favors), tended and nourished by Pakistan Military to nurture their greed to rule Pakistan. General Zia went to extremes and Musharraf did not do a thing to curb this extremism. Who can justify that it did not have our Military's full support!!! The hate that started from hating Ahmadis is biting everyone even its masters, the Military.
An excellent expression of a equally intelligent observation, analysis, and conclusion. The army needs to play a large role in 'prodding' the people to act responsibly - and its own 'responsible' actions should not be what its predecessor elements resorted to! Need more be said on that note???
@Salman Khan: Khan Sahib, I agree with you 100%. You hit the bull's eye with your comments. Unless the army is truly educated and cleansed of all the teachings of Gen Zia and Wahabis there is no hope at all. The army should be in total control of civilians and act as paid govt servant not the colonial power that has a God given right to rule the country. An ex-marine who is knowledgeable about Pakistan told me that there cannot be a military coup in the US. The soldiers take oath to uphold the constitution and not to support their superiors to break their oath of office. He said a general cannot order a soldier to arrest a congressman, senator or any innocent civilian let alone the president. The soldiers would not obey his orders and arrest him instead of the govt officials. The army in Pakistan behaves as if they have taken oath of allegiance the army chief and not the govt or constitution. That is why not a single army takeover has been opposed and resisted by any faction of the army. We have to cleanse, truly educate and bring the army under the govt like any other public servant. The army should not have anything to do with their own promotions, foreign or defense policy. Those who are opposed to this Op Ed must understand that nobody wants to bring the army to run the country but to help the govt control it better like the police force which has been inadequately equipped. On the contrary the army has been creating problems and has links with the worst terrorists in the world like OBL. Even when the army was doing flood work, it was publicizing as if the govt has failed and their parallel govt is working for the welfare of public. They should be a part and subordinate of the govt and not the other way. Thanks and regards, Mirza
I feel the author is confused about role of military in curbing secterian violence. He wants army to direct civilan government in the right direction but I think it is the army which needs to be directed in the right direction. We all know how and why military had unleashed monsters like Malik Ishaq, Hafiz Saeed etc. In mid 90s Army used secterian violence to weaken civilian governemtns. Saudi Arabia financed these sunni extremist groups in their struggle against Shia groups and our security establishement was happy with the arrangement as it was getting holy warriors which it can use in Kashmir and Afghanistan. Civilain Governments in 90s tried to deal with the menace of secterianism but military made sure it wouldnt succeed. Even now we see little change in attitude of our military establishment, the Shia tribes in Kurram had been punished by the Army for last twenty years because it refused to be part of the game Pakistan Security establishement is playing in FATA and Afg. Our Army has been engaged in killing and harrasing its own citizens, so am not surprised over its silence on Shias Persecution because maybe not directly but indirectly it is a party to these killings. If the Army sincerely wants an end to these killings it needs to change its mindset, it needs to change the narrative which it is feeding to its officers and jawans. If some instituional changes are not implemented i dont see any hope, and in response to the auhtor's arguement what why Shia officers in the army are silent I would like to quote Smedley Butler (a Major General in US Army and at the time of his death the most decorated Marine in U.S. history) "Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service."
My comments on general Talat Masood op-ed on aug,3. 2012 "Unless we adopt one point agenda i.e crush taliban of every kind and their sympathisers where ever they hide pakistan is definetly going to lose more and more.Pakistan ruling elite will have to take hundred eighty degree turn with the sole purpose of making pakistan a complete secular state leaving no room for exploitation of relegion or nationalists sentiments.This is really an uphil task and every help from outside should be sought just the way pakistan seek world support in natural dissasters.Now or Never.Is someone listning! Crush deep state save pakistan."
i dun knw but the writer seems confused in the begining its army bashin in the middle mullah bashin n in the end all goes well didnt get the pt
Author Since long I have given up hopes for a peacefull deviation of deadly path this country has chosen.However,i'm hopefull that justice will prevail but only after bloodshed of the kind we have never seen before.Great article with deep insight. Kudos and regards
@Vikas medicine tastes bitter. But have news for you. We will emerge from these perilous times a better stronger nation. We survived the initial onslaught by India when this country was in her infancy we will survive this bearded menace. A tolerant all inclusive Pakistan will emerge.
@C. Nandkishore: The enemy of Pakistan is neither India nor America.. Its policies that has divided the society on religious grounds and making minorities as slave folk with no rights to live peacefully and practice their faith..
@nomi: in this long article you got only vikas's point for nitpicking?
well, you have a good strategy: insert a red-herring in the discussion, and then derail it.
and, i am not going to defend muslims in INDIA.
if they have problem, let them comment.
we gave our views, because it was a SHIA problem, and a SHIA was stating that.
great article hitting the target. Some institutes here are just out of their bounds, and have completely destroyed the nation, its social fabric, its communal harmony, its financial systems, its foreign policy.. all for dollars, foreign toys and big bunglows. Its time these institutes and these people be made accountable for all their wrongs for 60 years, make them answerable to common people and bring them to size.
yeah call army and then cry for democracy poor choice
I agree with the author and don't see why the army should not be a part in facillitating the process....couple of days it took the court to sack a Priminister and they cannot ammend a faulty law that is decades old? Army needs us...after all if Pakistan falls apart, their biggest chunk in the fedral budget is at stake....that should be motivation enough if not basic humanity. Right now it does not appear to make much difference to the majority....oh 20 shias shot dead, whatever....it was not us atleast....well guess what as you eliminate the minorities....they will start disecting the majority...sunni deobandi and crap like that....and you never know when your number is up...so don't stand up for Ahmedis, Christains or even Shias......stand up for yourself!!!!!!
Feisal Sahib, where were the Shias since 1947 when we were picking on all the other Kafirs? Are you surprised that there is no one now standing up for the Shia? Who do you think will follow after the Shia? Personally, my bet is on the settling of the scores between the Deobandis and the Bralevis next.
A thought provoking article the only solutions that i can think of are for every citizen to identify himself by his nationality first and religion subsequently and TOLERANCE , TOLERANCE and more TOLERANCE.
Probably the best piece I have ever read about teh rott cause of secatarian violence in Pakistan. You sir are a genius, I can safely say. But beware for geniuses also face wrath of the ordinary people. But I am sure you will triumph in the end. I wish you godspeed.
Army have only operational role to play on the order of Govt of pak nothing less or more if you want to identify the persons responsible for the Shia killing in GB start with CM he look tun all the time kind of yahya khan then police chief and federal govt.
If yoy wants to enjoy the benefit and privileges of a CM u must also take the responsibility Being Shia CM should be more serious. PPP govt have also equally responsible for this when u post officers in GB on favoritism not merit u will have this situation Naqvi shaib GB have elected Govt name and shame them instead of bringing army in to this mes.
Naqvi, you failed to touch on what exactly you want army to do? Take over police responsibilities? Take over governance responsibilities? Set education agenda in madrassahs?
"The state excommunicates Ahmadis. The TTP excommunicates both Ahmadis and Shias."
TTP considers and treats Barelvis/Sufi's as their enemy thus the attacks on Sufi shrines across Pakistan. Fear the day when these two start killing each other and it may happen sooner than we expect.
Faisal - Very insightful and thought provoking article. As far as your mention of PTI, I don't think they have criminally neglected the issue. In my humble view, they have considerable number of people voicing for minorities in top tier leadership. They have also condemned the events of sectarianism explicitly. Now the question is why don't they take out protests and do press conferences on the issue? I think the answer to that lies in their belief that better governance and Pakistan focused foreign policy can bring the problem under control. Now we can debate on whether this assumption is misplaced, but saying that they are insincere to the cause to begin with will be an unfair statement.
Although all for removing the barriers of hate and war mongering between India and Pakistan, it's people like Vikas who convince me that these barriers would be so very hard to remove.
Vikas here is a person who has opened up his wounds (inflicted by others), baring his soul and sharing his tears and all you could come with was this offensive remark!!! People like Mr. Naqvi and myself would never use offensive/obnoxious tone if we were to remark on some of the internal issues (communal riots, rampant corruption) faced by India today. However, we can't stop you or others. Meanwhile I pray for peace and harmony not for my country but for all our neighbours. May we learn to love and cherish each other and look beyond our intolerance based on religious and patriotic bigotry....Peace...
Exactly what I had commented two days ago in ET op ed "North Waziristan and Kamra" by AVM Shahzad Chaudhry. This is the danger Pakistan army is facing. At present the enemy is not India but America. And the day America leaves Afghanistan Pakistan will be left with no enemy and the day of reckoning starts.
The op ed is absolutely fundamental.
In this connection I should also thank ET for publishing such articles. Incisive. Timely. And courageous.
Vikas
Oh please. You too are reaping what you sowed in the form of religious discrimination. Systematic discrimination of muslims in India has lead to home grown extremist splinter groups.
Since you have not been able to control hindu fundamentalism also, hindu nationalism too is rising and id sweeping through India. Your next elections will reveal this.
Righttt...so let's blame the army when it does something, then blame it when it doesn't. Good call.
Army is already engaged in so many wars at so many fronts. They cant be at all places at once so be patient before you people criticize the role of this army of Pakistan make sure you are perfect.
i can empathise with you.
this is the second time you have referred yourself as SHIA, and yes it is indeed painful to start identifying oneself in public with one's sect, than one's religion.
however, a couse-correction at this stage seems very difficult.
A great Op Ed that presents lot of food for thoughts. Is it timely or too late?
Pakistanis are getting a taste of their medicine. Why cry now?