In Pakistan, underground parties push the boundaries

Published: August 21, 2012
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The country remains home to a large wealthy and Westernised elite that, in private, lives very differently. PHOTO: REUTERS

The country remains home to a large wealthy and Westernised elite that, in private, lives very differently. PHOTO: REUTERS

Women in short skirts and men with gelled hair bump and grind on a dance floor as a disc jockey pumps up the volume. The air is thick with illicit smoke and shots of hard liquor are being passed around. Couples cuddle and kiss in a lounge.

This is not Saturday night at a club in New York, London or Paris. It is the secret side of Pakistan, a Muslim nation often described in the West as a land of bearded, Islamic hardmen and repressed, veiled women.

Pakistan was created out of Muslim-majority areas in colonial India 65 years ago, and for decades portrayed itself as a progressive Islamic nation.

Starting in the 1980s, however, it has been drifting towards a more conservative interpretation of Islam that has reshaped the political landscape, fuelled militancy and cowed champions of tolerance into silence.

But the country remains home to a large wealthy and Westernised elite that, in private, lives very differently.

Every weekend, fashion designers, photographers, medical students and businessmen gather at dozens of parties in Islamabad, Karachi and Lahore to push social boundaries in discreet surroundings that would horrify, and enrage, advocates of the stricter brand of Islam.

“This is just epic,” said Numair Shahzada, bobbing his head to the beat at a party in a farmhouse outside Islamabad as fitness instructors moonlighting as bouncers looked on. “The light and smoke show is phenomenal.”

Young men and women mix freely, dancing, talking or drinking. Some curl up together in quiet areas.

Although alcohol is prohibited in the country, many have brought their own liquor. Whisky is carried in paper bags and vodka is disguised in water bottles arranged along the dance floor.

The party-goers form only a tiny minority of the country’s 180 million people, but overall, Pakistan is not repressive. Women can drive, are enrolled in universities and have played prominent roles in politics. Unmarried men and women can interact without risking the wrath of religious police.

People from its most populous province, Punjab, are renowned for their exuberance.

But a conservative form of Islam is chipping away at the tolerance.

A few hours drive from Islamabad’s party circuit, parts of remote tribal regions have fallen under the sway of hardline Taliban militants, who dream of toppling the government and creating a society where revellers would face flogging, or worse.

“Men and women who dance together are damned by God. Whenever we see such displays of vulgarity we will definitely make them a target,” said a senior Taliban commander.

News reports have said a tribal council in a village near the Afghanistan border ordered four women killed earlier this year for clapping and singing as men danced at a wedding. The Supreme Court has ordered an investigation, but there have been no further details.

Creeping conservatism

While the vast majority of Pakistanis abhor the Taliban’s violence, there are many who share their belief that Islam should be Pakistan’s guiding force. Religious parties, which do poorly at the polls but exert considerable sway over public debate, believe Islam should govern all spheres of life.

“It’s so messed up,” said Myra, a 23-year-old Pakistani who has dyed her hair reddish-brown.

“You see the servants and the drivers at the parties watching you and you wonder what kind of a person they think you are.”

To avoid prying eyes, the kind of alcohol-fuelled blow-outs enjoyed by Myra and her friends are held in lonely farm-houses in the outskirts of Islamabad and other cities, or in affluent neighbourhoods behind high walls. Organisers charge on average a $60 entry fee, an amount most Pakistanis earn in a month.

Rafia, petite with long, black hair and wearing tight jeans and a low-cut black blouse, is a regular on the party scene.

She frowns on women who carry secret cell phones unmonitored by their parents and wear revealing outfits under conservative dress that come off before getting on the dance floor.

“You can either be God-fearing or you can party,” she said, taking a drag on a marijuana joint at a recent rave.

“I don’t pray regularly and I usually stick to my fast. But at the end of the day, I don’t say I am a very religious person.”

Not everyone agrees.

Bina, 40, an attractive fashion designer, showcases nude paintings and topless male models in shows. She also wears a silver pendant engraved with a verse from the Quran

“People think I am shameless but I am actually very religious,” she said at her studio, peppering her sentences with “jaani”, Urdu for darling, while chain smoking.

“My faith is very strong. But everything I do is between my God and me.”

Lonely liberals

Conservatism began sweeping through Pakistan during the military dictatorship of General Mohammad Zia ul-Haq in the 1980s under a drive to Islamize the state.

Zia’s policies are widely blamed for a creeping culture of intolerance that has further isolated liberals.

In an incident that traumatised the elite, the governor of Punjab province, Salman Taseer, was assassinated by his own bodyguard last year for opposing harsh anti-blasphemy laws.

The reaction was almost more shocking to liberals than the murder itself. Clerics organised huge rallies to praise the killer. Even lawyers, once at the vanguard of Pakistan’s democracy movement, showered him with rose petals.

In the growing climate of fear, the space for liberal voices is shrinking.

Pakistani rapper Adil Omar, who attends weekend parties, pokes fun of the Taliban and rising conservatism in his songs. But he never goes too far.

“A lot of people seem to be torn and seem to have an identity crisis,” said Omar, who wears the traditional flowing shirt and baggy trousers. His elaborate forearm tattoo featuring a semi-naked woman and a unicorn has drawn fire on his Facebook page from some fans who see it as an offence to Islam.

“I am careful not to give any opinions regarding religion on the record,” he said, adding: “I don’t want some crazy person chopping off my head.”

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Reader Comments (167)

  • Zaheer
    Aug 21, 2012 - 1:53PM

    yeah i did one

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  • Asjad Khan
    Aug 21, 2012 - 1:55PM

    In agreement with whole of the article except “Afghanistan border ordered four women killed earlier this year for clapping and singing as men danced at a wedding”…these women were declared alive by the SC…

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  • just_someone
    Aug 21, 2012 - 1:56PM

    I dont understand the mentality that both conservatives and liberals in Pakistan have developed. Each tries to point to the other’s flaws and note their own piousness. EVERYBODY is so judgmental.
    We should all look unto ourselves and make ourselves the best person we can be. If one thinks partying is their way, so be it and if not, then thats fine too.
    Why cant we just learn to live with the simple principles of ‘live and let live’ and ‘to each, his own’? If we put even the slightest attention to ourselves and not to the people around us, the whole country would become a much better place to live.

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  • Qasim Ahmad Ilyas
    Aug 21, 2012 - 1:59PM

    Ultimately, money speaks when truth is silent regardless of religion and nation…..

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  • Haris Chaudhry
    Aug 21, 2012 - 2:05PM

    Good on them – Let them sing and dance if they so desire.

    Faith is between the faithful and his/ her lord.

    Those wearing it on the sleeves are the real hypocrites.

    Long live Happy Times :)

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  • @plarkin
    Aug 21, 2012 - 2:08PM

    Amen brothers and sisters.

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  • lord J
    Aug 21, 2012 - 2:08PM

    the author was carefull enough not to mention the orgies.

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  • Aug 21, 2012 - 2:09PM

    Y U Copied this article from Reuters ! =D

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  • haroon ali.
    Aug 21, 2012 - 2:12PM

    Strange society. Hypocrisy at all levels.

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  • Farrukh
    Aug 21, 2012 - 2:13PM

    Its not about between you and GOD if it is like that than Why punishments introduced. One thing is clear that any thing that forbids in ISLAM you can not find any way to do that under the cover of modernism and liberal culture. I dont if the 10% of Pakistani want to do that than they are not the represnative of reaming 90%.

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  • Anony
    Aug 21, 2012 - 2:14PM

    Readers who think ET is romanticizing this western culture hit recommend.

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  • Arsalan
    Aug 21, 2012 - 2:16PM

    I am not new to these parties but the truth is that it’s purely ridiculous and those came for fun return with stress. All those who come to show their highlights are always stunned by others glittering more then them, while those who come for fun takeaway stress (I don’t want to elucidate how).
    In this scenario either Pakistani society has to abide religious laws or to forget them, otherwise we will never come out of the war of conscience & never trailing wishes.

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  • Abdul Hannan
    Aug 21, 2012 - 2:17PM

    Every weekend, fashion designers, photographers, medical students and businessmen gather at dozens of parties….

    Why exclude engineering students. We have heart too =(

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  • Hamza
    Aug 21, 2012 - 2:20PM

    Medical students ka kia scene hai ?
    Why have they been pointed out ?? I think they’re the ones who get the least amount of free time for such activities.

    And secondly mera khayal sey agar ye party scene itna highlight na kia jaye tou it’s better.
    You’ve only the given the extremists another reason for creating unrest.
    This ‘Party Scene’ is going on in almost all of the Muslim nations, and they’re not creating fuss about it.
    I think there are more important issues in this country to cover than a lonely group of wannabes partying alone somewhere.
    You’ve only given the other nations a chance to comment on our already damaged reputation.
    Well done Express Tribune.Recommend

  • Pakistani
    Aug 21, 2012 - 2:21PM

    good Lord.

    live, and let live. please.Recommend

  • unbeliever
    Aug 21, 2012 - 2:26PM

    @Abdul Hannan:

    but do you have money in your pockets?

    actually that was the most precious thing, when i was in engineering?

    no matter how much money you take from home, you always found yourself neck-deep in debt, from your equally troubled friends.

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  • Qasim
    Aug 21, 2012 - 2:27PM

    plz Let people live as they wish to !! Why we are so concerned about others all the time.. this is a sick attitude !

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  • unbeliever
    Aug 21, 2012 - 2:28PM

    @Ata ur Rehman:
    they have not copied it…they are publishing it with due permission….and, even the refrence includes reuter at the top.

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  • Ali S
    Aug 21, 2012 - 2:32PM

    And exactly what’s the point of this article? That Pakistan is ‘progressive’ because of such parties? They’re a tiny, completely irrelevant segment of our population. Even the poorest African countries have their “elites” who are completely oblivious to the country’s reality and revel in numbing their conscience.

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  • ASQ
    Aug 21, 2012 - 2:34PM

    liberal and conservative both are extremists and this country needs economic development not parties and religious congregations!!!!!

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  • Moiz
    Aug 21, 2012 - 2:34PM

    @Anony:
    i wish i could hit dislike.
    or erase.

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  • Dr Reddy
    Aug 21, 2012 - 2:35PM

    Every country has this kind of scene.. even in the most conservative countries like Saudi Arabia…maybe not a farmhouse but definitely something within the house with less loud music.
    BY the way what do the organisers give for $60???? Just wondering.
    Best of luck to these people.

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  • THE
    Aug 21, 2012 - 2:50PM

    Just goes to show there are exterimists of all kinds ….

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  • Amer
    Aug 21, 2012 - 2:51PM

    The next time an uncle or aunty from Pakistan tells me how bad living in a western society can be for my kids, I will show them this article!! LOL

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  • Khurram The Muhajir
    Aug 21, 2012 - 2:59PM

    Man… how do you get into such parties? :'(

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  • Guy
    Aug 21, 2012 - 3:05PM

    I also want to have this kind of experience but not been able to penetrate into this social circle.Someone please unveil the entrance to this dark world :)

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  • sick of this nonsense
    Aug 21, 2012 - 3:05PM

    @ASQ:
    extremists are those who think their point of view is the end. full stop. liberals wont kill a conservative if he disagrees with their views however a conservative just might. That is why the word extremist is usually coined for ultra conservatives.

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  • Aug 21, 2012 - 3:08PM

    Happy to notice that at least some are having a nice time in Pakistan!

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  • all
    Aug 21, 2012 - 3:12PM

    islam should be our guide force
    we should enforce islamic punishments to end these evilness
    and we should start tableeg in all elite school

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  • Turbo Lover
    Aug 21, 2012 - 3:16PM

    Just like the prohibition in the United States, when you ban something it will be practiced behind cold, locked doors more than ever. In Brazil, when the ban on a certain drug was lifted, the drug became less popular and started being used less frequently. This is called reverse psychology.

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  • mr. righty rightist
    Aug 21, 2012 - 3:17PM

    How are these smokers/drinkers/fornicators liberal? How do you call them as liberal?

    I am not against them. I don’t care what they do, as long as they don’t disturb my peace. However, how are they liberal?

    Let me ask you these questions : Do they have the courage to decry the killing of Ahmadis and Shia? Do they have the courage to stand for a 11 year old Xian girl? Do they raise their voice for the 100s of Hindus who migrated to India? Do they not discriminate against other sects or religions?

    There’s a word for such people – hedonists. And possibly hypocrites. Because the same people, you will find, throwing rose petals on your Khadris, when your media flashes the cameras.

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  • Awans
    Aug 21, 2012 - 3:26PM

    This is not liberalism at all. Liberalism is all about your Liberal way of thinking and equality. It have nothing to do with drinking. being promiscuous. Bully Shah, Sachal Sarmast, Khwaja Ghulam Farid and Baba Farid were liberals as well but they wear Dhoti but still they have more Liberal thinking than our Sickened youth right now. This liberalism is a fake liberalism and nothing else. I have been to Europe and Europeans are more sane than Pakistanis and I have also visited these parties in Pakistan. Many of they guy in Pakistan with Expensive Paulaner in their hands are used to give fatwas that Shias and Ahmedis are Kafirs and i have seen and heard that stuff in these so called liberal parties then what type of Liberalism are you talking about????. If i wear Shalwar Kameer with Kheri and my sister wears a Dupatta with Shalwar Kameez then it is our Tradition and culture and that does not make me a fanatic and I am still liberal with my eastern clothing and eastern way of life..Recommend

  • Irfan
    Aug 21, 2012 - 3:28PM

    the writer enjoyed too

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  • Hitler
    Aug 21, 2012 - 3:32PM

    I do want to attend these types of party just to see lmfaoo where could i find these hot parties :P

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  • Nadir superman Shah
    Aug 21, 2012 - 3:39PM

    Astaghfaar .. though loving the Superman in the Scene ! :D And trust me Alcohol’s usually very minimal in such gatherings.

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  • What the...?
    Aug 21, 2012 - 3:40PM

    Whats the use of pointing fingers at anyone?

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  • I read it too...
    Aug 21, 2012 - 3:45PM

    It’s not abt Islam or religion; humans should be humans, and not become animals, who relieve themselves and satisfy their desires without any inhibitions. Entertainment should not cross over into the realm of obscenity, and disrespect of human relations…! :(

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  • Pan-economic?
    Aug 21, 2012 - 3:50PM

    We need more rich people in our country, who drive this culture.

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  • Aug 21, 2012 - 3:54PM

    So the whole point of the article is: These party goers are pushing the limits? Limits on what? As humans we are raised by our parents, we take influence from society at large. Which includes our schools, our universities and our work places. Smoking for one, is taken up 90% of the time out of peer pressure. I don’t think blaming the youth for growing up the way they are is the solution to the problem, there was after all a time when we had discos in khi and females could freely cycle and walk on footpaths of main roads. This extremism is bred by extremism, no one can shove their religion on anyone, if anything Islam welcomes not FORCES itself. God is forgiving and each person has their own journey, some repent some don’t. State is not responsible for the direction these kids choose to take in their lives, their own family and friends are. If state wants to do away with this, it should pass laws that prohibit such acts, AND make sure that these laws are implemented. I am talking about the police, the media (with press cards) and all those involved that do not uphold the law but infact do away with the law altogether at their own will (and ofcourse that of their wallets). The problem is not with the youth, the youth will function within all the boundaries and loopholes it can find, growing up with so much instability only a few of us have turned out part stable to operate in this confusing society that we did not create, but merely were brought into.

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  • mindless
    Aug 21, 2012 - 4:08PM

    Oh I did one and will recommend to every one. Cant compare it what i had there with parties in Amsterdam—- :)

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  • Ahmed
    Aug 21, 2012 - 4:10PM

    they are sons and daughters of our brutal, blood thirsty ruling elite

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  • Hamid Hameed
    Aug 21, 2012 - 4:20PM

    The article is abusing the word ‘elite’. In what sense are they ‘elite’? It is the money they have which speaks for them. The manner which money speaks in is telling how the money was earned and what is the size of these so called elites. They are only suffering from a pain a faceless, cultureless and a nameless rich could suffer from.

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  • Zeeshan
    Aug 21, 2012 - 4:21PM

    @Moiz
    “@Anony:
    i wish i could hit dislike.
    or erase.”

    Why Moiz? Can’t you liberal fanatics handle some truth that you are the ugly byproducts of Westernization?

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  • ahmed rizwan
    Aug 21, 2012 - 4:44PM

    let the people enjoy at least in their private life. what enjoyment has left in this country of forcibly occupied by mulla-military alliance

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  • ali
    Aug 21, 2012 - 5:09PM

    Everybody needs a paradigm shift. yeah “everybody”..p

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  • Ajamal
    Aug 21, 2012 - 5:19PM

    Why consider this strange? Tune to any channel, Geo, ARY, etc. and you see a Pakistan that is liberal, forwarding looking, conservative and backward at the same time.

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  • syed
    Aug 21, 2012 - 5:20PM

    So called religous and liberal bigots are feeding off each other. Religous bigotory produces more liberals like the ones mentioned in this article, similarly liberal bigotory produces religous extremists. Both are driving society to mental and moral corruption

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  • new
    Aug 21, 2012 - 5:38PM

    So called god-father of Islam , Soudi Arabia consumes much more liquor than any country . Prostitution is rampant in SA also , even they like exported ones . Female rights are severly abused in SA and other Islamic countries also .Islam and other religions are not Newton’s laws , which will remain true always .

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  • Aug 21, 2012 - 5:39PM

    Pakistan has still more moderates than Taliban or Liberal Talibans.
    It’s a great shame that on one side the world is watching 1 extreme that is “Taliban”, who slaughter people, kill people, burn school for their personal motives, and now there is a another extreme who wants to represent Pakistan “Liberal Talibans” like Hammad Khan, such people thinks that progress lies in drinking, dating, doing parties despite the terror attacks on their city, somebody tell them that such things are the really weak points of West.

    *When Apple fell on Newton’s head he was reading a book under tree, and not dancing in the night club (So this is the way to progress “Liberal Talibans” & not what you think)

    *E=mc square formula researched by Einstein in a lab, and not while dating. (So this is the way to progress “Liberal Talibans” do not what you think?)

    *Everyone who did service to humanity did that outside night clubs, they were not drinking while inventing something and they were not certainly not on a date when they were formulating their scientific research.

    “Is there anybody in Pakistan other than “Talibans” & “Liberal Talibans” who portray the real moderate image of Pakistan, who are neither violent like Taliban nor vulgar like liberal talibans? is there anybody who portrays the REAL PAKISTAN? which is moderate? which is us.”Recommend

  • bharat
    Aug 21, 2012 - 5:44PM

    Those people who think that these kind of things dont happen in an islamic country are fools

    The elite in every country lives like this, even Muslim nations.

    Besides, whatever they do does not mean its good of bad. Westerners think of the world from there own point of view. For example there own media will never write much about problems of nations like Thailand or Philippines as they are westernised and that is the way every one should be. ie the ideal way

    However, when a country is not following western culture, they brand it poor and backward.

    Having a drink , partying , having sex does not mean one is contented with life

    Look at Tony Scott , a very successful and rich Hollywood director who committed suicide.

    Living like the Western Nations does not mean people are unhappy and poor.

    I am sure millions of Pakistanis are happy with whatever income they have.Its more of a state of mind. The Western nations dont understand this

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  • Saif
    Aug 21, 2012 - 5:53PM

    The article is honest and accurate. However, hardliners are not just people who stress on religious jurisprudence. They are on both sides, some on the liberal end, some on the conservative end.

    Secondly, although i agree, faith is a personal affair between man/woman and God, when it comes to Islam, its not just some prescription to worship. People will find ethics for morality, charity, sociology, politics and economics within the core of it. This then, makes Islam as communal as it is personal.

    I personally believe, turning a blind eye to something that happens and goes against the islamic principles we ought to believe in, is not right. Being muslims in a muslim country, we ought to profess the importance of being correct, how our faith instructs us to be. But that doesnt mean you shove it down someone’s throat or execute individuals on the first offence. Thats pushing it!

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  • ASQ
    Aug 21, 2012 - 5:55PM

    @ sick of this nonsense
    i highly disagree by associating extremism to killing only.extremism is any thing which is acting against normal social,moral and legal ways of any society so wearing bikini in pakistan is extremism just like wearing burqa in western world!!

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  • Amjad Ali
    Aug 21, 2012 - 5:55PM

    Some punishments will it at once and for all let them be brave enough to expose. Those rates and pigs will never be allowed to play with humanity like capitlists have destroyed western societies

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  • Silas
    Aug 21, 2012 - 5:58PM

    @just_someone:
    So who is forcing the conservatives that they should stop going to mosques but should instead go to dance parties?? No one. Not the liberals. That’s not what they do. All the ‘forcing’ is done by conservatives.

    And by the way why does this article only refer to the elite. Like the elite are the only liberals in this country. Being liberal has nothing to do with being elite, as most people in this country think.Recommend

  • Khalid
    Aug 21, 2012 - 6:00PM

    This is pure hypocracy and why does the author and some people call these type of people liberal. For me someone who is tolerant,inclusive and having respect for others religion,race and nationality is liberal. This is what Islam also teaches us, but as an Afghan I don’t have any sort of negativity towards pakistani’s. However, I am so against people like Zaid Hamid, Hamid Gul and all those people and organisations such as the ISI, DPC who advocate openly for more violence and so called fake jihad in afghanistan, whilst right under their nose people that are mentioned in this articles commit orgies,drink alcohol, and sleep with each other. Now, my question is what is the so called DPC, IK, ISI and all those maulvi hazaraat going to do something about it? well the answer is very simpel nothing, it is maybe because some of their kids,nephews, relative or any other person who are connected with them may be actively either organising it or just taking part in it. This munafiqat towards the people of pakistan and afghanistan from the pakistani establishment will eventually sink pakistan and pakistani’s will be left alone and no body will cry with them.

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  • Aug 21, 2012 - 6:05PM

    So they party, but do it while hiding.

    Sometime you just have to thank God for little blessings and thank Him making us emerge in the free world. Little mercies.

    For those who haven’t done it, you have no idea how fun it is.

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  • salman
    Aug 21, 2012 - 6:05PM

    Live and let live…but what always amuses me is when they say it’s between me and God. Do they really think they will face Allah on judgement day and argue with Allah that vodka and hash are allowed?

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  • John B
    Aug 21, 2012 - 6:08PM

    If this is liberalism in Pakistan, then we need new word for hedonist, drunkard, and drug user.

    What these men and women do behind closed doors is their business but calling them liberal is a direct insult to all the liberals.

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  • pl
    Aug 21, 2012 - 6:15PM

    this is the ruling class. this is the mulla-military alliance. who do you think has been making money for the past 60 years. the sad part is the common man is so stupid that he cannot see what is in front of them.
    and nobody is going to tax these people at the end of the day either. tax them please.

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  • Aug 21, 2012 - 6:35PM

    Most of the Times I enjoy the comments Section More than the Article it self … and this is exactly what happened again !!

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  • Aug 21, 2012 - 6:41PM

    Yes, Mr. Syed Arbab Ahmed, we are moderate and we should be proud of being moderate. However, it is really hard to show it. World does not want to listen and we do not have capability to announce it. Society only prevails when at societal level either the population is governed according to laws of moderation or people themselves keep this balance. We should try to make a moderate society at individual level as our governments are incapable of doing it without concerning whats happening in closed circles of Talibans and liberal Talibans.

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  • Adeel
    Aug 21, 2012 - 6:42PM

    this is the other side of extremism!!

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  • unbeliever
    Aug 21, 2012 - 6:45PM

    the scene maybe from a party in india.

    a hint is, that the guy at the front is wearing saffron wristband…..maybe.

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  • Umair
    Aug 21, 2012 - 6:45PM

    @Awans:

    What’s wrong with calling anybody Kafir? Literally, It means somebody who covers up. Like Allah covers up our bad stuff from others so, that we can have our “self esteem” intact in the society. In that sense Allah did Kufr.

    In religious sense it means knowing the truth about the creator and his message and still denying it in your heart or openly.

    So, what’s wrong calling somebody a Kafir? It’s just a label, something that defines a persons point of view/perspective.

    Anybody can be a Kafir. Me You non muslim, muslims, Hindus. etc.

    We should do little bit of research before hopping on the Ideas of the HEARD.

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  • concerned citizen
    Aug 21, 2012 - 6:51PM

    what a crappy piece.. totally motivated writing. just look at this sentence.. ” Every weekend, fashion designers, photographers, medical students and businessmen gather at dozens of parties in Islamabad, Karachi and Lahore to push social boundary…. ”

    I understand fashion designers, photographers and businessmen would want to party – but why medical students!!! C’mon, why not engineering or arts or simply any other student would not be partying!

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  • JB-Haider
    Aug 21, 2012 - 6:55PM

    Hypocrisy I can only say.

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  • Sajjad ali
    Aug 21, 2012 - 6:57PM

    I think this article is emphasizing that people shoul leave Pakistan for partying.. thay should go to USA for partying.. Cant they even party in their own land?

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  • Khan of Cape Town
    Aug 21, 2012 - 6:59PM

    Better than killing people, imho.

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  • Shahzad
    Aug 21, 2012 - 7:03PM

    Wow, i see a lot of ppl making there point……i guess Pakistan deserves the situation it is going through……why do u forget that v r muslims……have u ppl ever tried to study islam and its ways? this is b/w u and Allah, but have u forgotten that one way or the other we all die in the end….. …..and there will b judgment…..liberalism is an excuse to do such things, ……these things wont last long in ur life, and in the end u will regret it…..and plz those ppl who say we are religious and also a part of these kind of activities, stop spoiling others minds by saying u r religious, dnt give them a direction which is not right……………being religious doesnt make u extreme….if that is the case nuns are also extremists, but the fingers are pointed on islam when someone talks abt following it………….i think we seriously need to get back on track, the ways which islam taught us……may Allah guide us all …………..

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  • AJ
    Aug 21, 2012 - 7:09PM

    The key to life is moderation – in a society like Pakistan everything is pushed to the extreme – extremists will jump at each and every chance to declare anything remotely normal as a cardinal sin, forgetting that religion is personal and no one can judge except God (a fundamental belief in Islam which they seem to forget) – the so called liberals mock the basics of religion. Anything to do with Islam is seen as inferior and backward – even in western countries there are controls on alcohol, drugs etc e.g. no alcohol is to be consumed on public transport in the UK. The liberals go overboard to show the world “Pakistani’s are just as modern as the rest of the world.”

    A lot of the problems in Pakistan is that people lack a sense of identity. Extremists have not evolved with society and are still stuck in the past. Liberals have forgotten there Pakistani routes and try too hard to be westernized e.g. having American accents without actually leaving the country.

    My question is why do we have to label ourselves as extremists, conservative, secular, liberals, etc. and not just be proud to call ourselves Pakistanis?

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  • bangash
    Aug 21, 2012 - 7:15PM

    This extremely Westernized segment of society has always existed and constitutes less than 1%.

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  • Saima
    Aug 21, 2012 - 7:34PM

    Where are the dance clubs in karachi? I want to know about it.

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  • maestro
    Aug 21, 2012 - 7:39PM

    The simple message here should be – MIND YOUR OWN DARN BUSINESS! As long as they are not hurting anyone they have the right to live their lives anyway they please not according to the dictats of some jahil illiterate, intolerant bunch of mullahs. In Islam, there is NO COMPULSION – which part of that rule do these mullahs forget? Not that they know much about the religion they claim to be experts on! Live and let live. And CHEERS!

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  • s
    Aug 21, 2012 - 7:41PM

    Absolutely applaed by these liebrals and yes more than i am applaed by these Mullahs..go ahead drone me!

    These liberals are destryoing our culture and Islam in Pakistan and they shld be controlled (INSHALLAH)

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  • Nadeem
    Aug 21, 2012 - 7:46PM

    We pakistanis just love to live on extremes.

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  • Kashif Siddiqui
    Aug 21, 2012 - 8:11PM

    Whether this behavior is carried out by Pakistanis or Saudis or whoever, it is forbidden and not allowed. This is not Liberalism but rather Hedonism. Hedonism is the concept of giving in to our desires. There is nothing to be proud of in this revelry. We were put on this earth as a test and to worship our maker. We were not put here to have wine drenched orgies. I am sick of these hedonists. Before they start blaming the Taliban etc, let them know they are responsible for the Taliban. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction….Talibanism is a result of their hedonism. Two sides of the same coin.

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  • jagjit sidhoo
    Aug 21, 2012 - 8:12PM

    @ASQ: The most sensible comment on the page and only 6 recommendations (one is mine)

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  • Girl555
    Aug 21, 2012 - 8:21PM

    I like parties but I don’t want to party with such mailay kuchailay guys…

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  • Raw is War
    Aug 21, 2012 - 9:13PM

    hopefully mullahs dont interfere.

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  • Tot ba tot
    Aug 21, 2012 - 9:14PM

    Drinking, drugs and fornication is between the individual, his god and his mommy/daddy. But 60$ for an entry ticket is deplorable in a country where 25 percent dont have access to toilets, there is an energy crisis and a substantial amount of children are malnourished. Liberals can be very callous…..

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  • roma
    Aug 21, 2012 - 9:53PM

    @Pakistani: – live and let live is the one thing that is not gonna happen in Pakistan – not with he talebs only a few hours drive from all major cities

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  • roma
    Aug 21, 2012 - 9:54PM

    @Pakistani: – live and let live is an indian concept which is the one thing that is not gonna happen in Pakistan – not with he talebs only a few hours drive from all major cities

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  • Akhtar
    Aug 21, 2012 - 10:04PM

    it should be a matter or personal choice whether to go a mosque or a discotheque. this so called elite past-time actually needs a policy whereby there individuals of both sexes can meet as in any normal country to drink, eat or smoke without any bar and restrictions. all activities in the article are perfectly fine as long as nobody is forcing you to do so. our right wingers consider themselves the torchbearers of morality, however, now the time has come we the liberals fight back with equal zeal do enforce reasoning on our reasonless and brainwashed conservatives.

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  • Fahad
    Aug 21, 2012 - 10:05PM

    Soft Porn Parties..

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  • gp65
    Aug 21, 2012 - 10:09PM

    The definition of tolerance and being liberal has been grossly distorted.
    If you indulge in activities that are banned, that does not make you tolerant, it simply makes you a hedonistic lawbreaker. Tolerance is when you accept that others may do things that you would choose not to do yourself.
    Likewise cuddling up with opposite gender is not a sign of liberalism – just simple jawaani ka josh which is as old as the hills – nothing modern about it. Liberalism is speaking up for the rights of those that are different from you. a person in hijaab who speaks up for the rights of someone to wear a short skirt or vice-versa is liberal. A person who is straight but supports gay rights is liberal. A Sunni who speaks up for Hindus or Ahmadis’ right to worship is a liberal. a Baloch who speaks up for the rights of Punjabi settlers is liberal. A mohajir who stands up against injustice to Pakhtoons in Karachi is liberal.

    Also what you described above is not a party but a club if it charges entrance of upto $60 per night.

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  • gp65
    Aug 21, 2012 - 10:17PM

    @mr. righty rightist: You said exactly what I feel.

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  • Aug 21, 2012 - 10:36PM

    thanx God there are sane people who noted the major flaws in the above text. ET itself is an extremist organization. They don’t know the meaning of being liberal. Liberal means do what ever you want to do while letting others do what they are doing and not poking your nose in every ones’ business. Drinking, dating, dancing, cuddling and kissing, it’s not liberalism. I mean if someone doesn’t party at night and doesn’t perform all these acts, is he a non-liberal?? Likewise, if you want to wear a tight jeans and a low cut blouse, wear it, you don’t need to tell other how pathetic girls with un-revealing dresses look alike. This article is not a complete BS, but I won’t call it a free of BS words.

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  • Aug 21, 2012 - 10:55PM

    Why am I, or anybody else, supposed to care about this?

    It’s their money, their bodies. They can sing, dance, wear miniskirts at their own party places…it is nobody’s business. Unless they’re pouring booze down my throat, it really doesn’t concern me.

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  • Magnanimity
    Aug 21, 2012 - 11:01PM

    Both Conservatives and Liberal are the extremists.One group kills the people mentally while the other kills physically .

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  • D-Gray
    Aug 21, 2012 - 11:01PM

    what’s new about this article ? :s

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  • Ameet (Pakistan)
    Aug 21, 2012 - 11:08PM

    Let them sing and dance if they so desire.
    Elasticity, Basic need of Human
    (if more act for nothing as a result more happened )

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  • Abdullah
    Aug 21, 2012 - 11:17PM

    why spending money on these parties. these grown up, rich men and women have to spend mony in live saving organizations for poor people. how selfish these party poopers are, why they dont care of their poor and deprived fellow citizens.

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  • Michael Jakson
    Aug 22, 2012 - 12:28AM

    If Mr. Munawar Hassan (current leader of Jamat-e-Islami) could be a rock star in his youth then Ballay Ballay, these parties are factory to create pious muslims.

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  • Zulfiqar
    Aug 22, 2012 - 12:38AM

    @Asjad Khan:

    Well if I remember corrected, a few days later that same NGO lady …farzana bari or something who had visited those girls cast doubts about the authenticity of the girls she was introduced to. I wonder what happened to those poor girls!

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  • shaista
    Aug 22, 2012 - 1:05AM

    a sin remains a Sin , no matter how you justify it ! simple

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  • Shabz
    Aug 22, 2012 - 1:32AM

    i think if someone is doing something in closed enviromnent then no one should have any issue. neighbours and surroundings should not be disturbed. yes we are a islamic state but we do not follow islamic law, bring islamic law then you can close down these dance parties and wine shops which are on corner of every road. i have been educated in west and i very much know my limits and difference in good or bad.

    plus, be good to the country you live in, make it a better place for all, have a positive approach about Pakistan. there are 1000’s of good thiings going on please market those, this country is not about dance parties, terror, target killing, mobile snataching etc etc. Plz be positive and market positive.

    Love Pakistan or Leave Pakistan…………….

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  • Saad Durrani
    Aug 22, 2012 - 1:55AM

    @Ata ur Rehman:
    In news publishing, there are syndicates which allow you to reprint news with due reference.

    At least, they are not planning underground attacks.

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  • Aug 22, 2012 - 2:17AM

    They are all RAW+CIA+MOSSAD agents disguised as party goers! Conspiracies against Pakistan & Islam.

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  • antanu g
    Aug 22, 2012 - 2:18AM

    @just_someone:
    can not be more agreeRecommend

  • omer
    Aug 22, 2012 - 2:27AM

    such a useless article…

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  • Arian
    Aug 22, 2012 - 4:03AM

    Desi people misunderstand the concept of liberalism and westernization. Engaging in wanton behavior and depravity is deemed liberal and progressive by these so called fake liberals. Most Muslims just don’t know how to reconcile modernity with antiquity and their societies are a reflection of this cognitive dissonance.

    Muslims ostracize each other by joining the ranks of the so called liberals and conservatives creating a schism, which leads to conflict. There is no middle ground and diversity is nonexistent.

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  • Avtar
    Aug 22, 2012 - 4:04AM

    May be some one should explain to the Mullahs as to where did belly dance began and why it is still popular there. Old adage, the more you ban the more the stuff goes underground.
    Sufis always danced like crazy dervishes to be with god.

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  • abdul karim KHAN
    Aug 22, 2012 - 5:22AM

    @all: you know those mulla they do not want happness for them self and they do not like ant body see happy. so guys P A R T Y H A R S.

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  • KSU
    Aug 22, 2012 - 7:03AM

    “You see the servants and the drivers at the parties watching you and you wonder what kind of a person they think you are.”

    Dear Miss Little Rich Kid,
    What do you think? Do you think they think you are kind hearted, concerned, hard working, responsible, generous, courageous, nice, respectful, empathetic, helpful????? I think not …..the type of person they think you are cannot be expressed in the public domain.

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  • Madiha
    Aug 22, 2012 - 7:57AM

    What hasn’t pushed limits? A young christian girl is being chased by so called Muslim fanatics on hunches. Blasphemy law has pushed the boundaries but no one cares to write about that. It’s sad to see the focus on ‘Islamabad Partying’ when there are ‘REAL’ issues that need handling.

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  • Agha
    Aug 22, 2012 - 8:59AM

    Libral’s and Consevatives both are on Extreme’s i don’t wanna be like any of them…..i think libral word for them is wrong rather than Frustrated and attention lacking children whom parents prefer going to party’s and dinner’s throwing children to servants in the end children start drinking alcohol and party and try to find love and affection in the other’s which their parents failed to give….My view’s are libral and hate these molana thinking than any other, but am also not jusifying these so called LIBRALS ….

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  • Agha
    Aug 22, 2012 - 9:03AM

    @bharat:
    Very much true.

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  • Rajeev Nidumolu
    Aug 22, 2012 - 10:07AM

    “Hypocrisy and distortion are passing currents under the name of religion”
    Mahatma Gandhi quotes (Indian Philosopher, internationally esteemed for his doctrine of nonviolent protest, 1869-1948)

    In every society morality always has been in the province of middle class. Elite always have been immoral and lower classes cannot afford to maintain middle class morality .

    When the British were talking about famous Victorian morality during the Reign of Queen Victoria , the elite class used to be involved in debauchery and extramarital liaisons which was unknown to the public at large . Prince of Wales later to become King Edward the seventh was famous for the number of mistresses he maintained and his sexual escapades.

    Beware of hyper religious zealous Puritans . Any pretensions of religious morality in Pakistani elite society has been exposed in the autobiographical book “My Feudal Lord” by Ms Tehmina Durrani . The immorality in some of the Pakistani clerics and Pirs was exposed by the same author in book ” Blasphemy”

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  • M.A
    Aug 22, 2012 - 10:10AM

    just one word … “escapade”, thats all what it is …

    a tiny self obcessed segment of society craving for approval of its pseudo consumerism … (while trying to convince, rather befool itself into believing that it doesnt give a damn about society’s aporoval) …

    Doesn’t get any better or worse with this article published, wouldn’t have been any different had the article not been published … so irrelevant and so oblivious of much bigger issues around the corner, such an apologetic denial …

    find it hard to understand if they really have any “original” identity to identify themselves with, other than a borrowed rather copy cat lifestyle, living which they are alienated from the diaspora around, and for which they are so desparate to earn a validation …

    like it or not but we humans are social animals … and instinctively we cannot live isolated on islands of existence … no matter how hard or how frequent they shrug off their shoulders as if they dont care what rest “non liberal” society thinks about them, the denial in itself endorses the underlying pursuit of a nod of approval of the so called non liberal society mass …

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  • M.A
    Aug 22, 2012 - 10:11AM

    just one word … “escapade”, thats all what it is …

    a tiny self obcessed segment of society craving for approval of its pseudo consumerism … (while trying to convince, rather befool itself into believing that it doesnt give a damn about society’s aporoval) …

    Doesn’t get any better or worse with this article published, wouldn’t have been any different had the article not been published … so irrelevant and so oblivious of much bigger issues around the corner, such an apologetic denial …

    find it hard to understand if they really have any “original” identity to identify themselves with, other than a borrowed rather copy cat lifestyle, living which they are alienated from the diaspora around, and for which they are so desparate to earn a validation …

    like it or not but we humans are social animals … and instinctively we cannot live isolated on islands of existence … no matter how hard or how frequent they shrug off their shoulders as if they dont care what rest “non liberal” society thinks about them, the denial in itself endorses the underlying pursuit of a nod of approval of the so called non liberal society mass …Recommend

  • Truth
    Aug 22, 2012 - 10:22AM

    Karachi is ranked 5th among the worst cities in the world to live.
    The latest report from the Economist Intelligence Unit has ranked worst cities in the world to live in. The annual survey of 140 cities uses more than 30 factors to gauge the state of healthcare, education, infrastructure, stability, culture and environment.

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  • hasan ansari
    Aug 22, 2012 - 10:32AM

    What a relief after reading this article. There is still hope left for Pakistan as there are people who are normal after and like to have fun :)

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  • Terry
    Aug 22, 2012 - 10:53AM

    this message is not to point out flaws; its very simple….. FIRSTLY, DO NOT CATEGORIZE YOURSELF IN ANY RELIGION AND THEN ASK YOURSELF:

    Does anyone want their sisters being in such an environment? Whether in US, UK or wherever. SUCCESSFUL marriages are formed thru intellectual gatherings and many other ways, PLEASE, a club/night life is not where home makers are bred.

    Despite parties, clubs and such environments, the actual business model (which is the base of every event) is to promote ????? Why dont they make a night club for JUST men(not a gay bar) but have famous DJ’s like Tiesto spin at ONLY AN ALL MALE event? or have a all women club?

    Final question, please dont take this offensively, whether you belive in a god or not —- WHAT benefit does escaping reality bring in causing harm to yourself using alcohol and drugs?

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  • Concerned
    Aug 22, 2012 - 11:04AM

    @gp65:
    @Awans:
    Since when was partying a political statement? Of course this isn’t liberalism – it’s just partying. Nightclubs and discos aren’t filled with hippies and the like, their are all sorts of people there – ‘good’ and ‘bad’.

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  • Tony Singh
    Aug 22, 2012 - 11:22AM

    There is only one life, enjoy it.

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  • RQ
    Aug 22, 2012 - 11:52AM

    This “Reuter” was evidently at the party – enjoying him/her self. And so what if people are dancing and enjoying a good night out? and please don’t for a second think that the “Westernized Elite” are the only ones enjoying a drink and dance. You should step in to the other side of Pakistan as well – there are multiple stratas in our society who drink, dance, attend mujras, just not in the capacity of your camera and/or opinion.

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  • Uza Syed
    Aug 22, 2012 - 12:29PM

    It is none of nobody’s business to worry what people do privately with their lives. Better to spend free time having fun then sit somewhere and plan how to destroy peaceful lives of others for whatever reasons.

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  • Osama Zaid
    Aug 22, 2012 - 1:31PM

    Hmm..

    Not just Pakistan, everywhere in Muslim countries…

    Its not the fault of the young generation if they incline towards such activities. This is what we see happening in the world, and Morals and Values are not praised in any mainstream setting.

    Right now, the options presented to people are

    Intolerant, Strict, Boring Adherance to a Ritualistic Religion
    vs
    a Pleasurable, Exciting, Freedom from all responsibilities.

    I am sure, when Islam will be represented as a Peaceful, Intelligent, Moral, Adventurous and Praised religion, these same people will willingly want to take up a responsibility for Islam’s sake. That shall become the “In-thing” to do. That shall be the pride.

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  • Muhammad Saleem Usmani
    Aug 22, 2012 - 1:59PM

    Drinking and religious at the same time…WOW…..a definition that only so called liberals can come up with. The entire party scence is an abhoring reminder of the filthy western influence and double talk.

    They fast and drink and mingle with women and still claim that they are God fearing. Do they think they will tell Allah that what was happening was not their making and they were merely victims of a “harsh” society, just trying to do their best.

    What hypocracy!

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  • Aug 22, 2012 - 2:20PM

    The awkward moment when you read the same story (even the same pictures and title) on reuters before reading it here. Copying so shamelessly? http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/08/21/uk-pakistan-partying-idUKLNE87K00R20120821

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  • Concerned
    Aug 22, 2012 - 2:46PM

    @Muhammad Saleem Usmani:
    When I read comments such as yours, I thank Allah that judgement is reserved for Him. Is it impossible for you to tolerate another philosophy and lifestyle, to live with the choices of others? Or must all of us be restricted to one particular definition of what it means to be a ‘good’ person?

    Don’t judge a book by its cover. Live and let live – in case you haven’t realized, this is among the most brutal countries to live in, partly due to our circumstances, and partly because of our rotten, ‘holier-than-thou’ behaviour.

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  • Ali Zaid
    Aug 22, 2012 - 2:56PM

    Please change the name of Pakistan from “Islamic Republic” to “Something else Republic”

    Thank you very much.

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  • Kumail
    Aug 22, 2012 - 2:58PM

    Oh plz these are typical elitists and not majority of Pakistani’s. I’d rather sit down with well-educated, decent and wise people then those from the two extremes. Why is it that the 80% in the middle never make Pakistan headlines??.

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  • abdullah khan
    Aug 22, 2012 - 3:35PM

    I think Majority of Pakistani family specially Mother Father will not allow, wish or pray To make their children like Shown in this article. It has no connection with Religion. Pakistani follows their own Eastern Values. Even a Hindu Sikh family will not allow wish or pray not make their t children it like This. It is not due to Islam but Due to Eastern ValuesRecommend

  • Maryam
    Aug 22, 2012 - 3:36PM

    “Every weekend, fashion designers, photographers, medical students and businessmen” –

    Medical students, lol……

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  • Pro Bono Publico
    Aug 22, 2012 - 4:30PM

    @Rana Amjad:
    Money stolen from the people of Pakistan at work.

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  • alicia
    Aug 22, 2012 - 5:43PM

    ET
    yeh medical students ka kya chakar hai?

    And anyway I don’t have any desire to go to such parties but as long as a tiny amount of people doing them don’t harm me ;I don’t care.

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  • Aug 22, 2012 - 6:01PM

    I personally do not like this kind of thing – but then again on balance between this partying and stuff and Mullahs calling for the killing of innocents in the name of our religion Islam – I think we should focus on tackling Mullahs extremism that effects us all and the little nachagana a few kids are involved in that is simply their business and not anyone elses

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  • Kashi
    Aug 22, 2012 - 6:14PM

    Everyone will go his/her GRAVE and will give answers what they did in this world, cause ALLAH is looking all of us every second what we r doing….
    If they spent life according to Hadees and Quran and sayings of Ahl e Bayt then they will get Heaven where they will get more FUN life than this…if they follow eveil in this world they will go in HELL where they will burn again n again in BLACK FIRE….ALLAH will give them Boiling water to drink and when they will drink it, it will burn their mouth & bodies from inside and then angels will put that boiled water on their bodies again n again…they were caught by their head hears n hanged in HELL…angels will give them pimples liquid to drink also….YA ALLAH save us from HELL,,,indeed its a bad place…. i studied a Islamic book about HELL, right now forget its name but its horrible to be in HELL. NO one can bear it…

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  • observer
    Aug 22, 2012 - 8:29PM

    Happens everywhere. Including Saudi Arabia

    In Jeddah, despite the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (CPVPV) — the religious police of Saudi Arabia, there is an ongoing underground nightlife, which includes “the full range of worldly temptations and vices” i.e., “alcohol, drugs, sex ” and “working girls” (prostitutes). Even though these parties are in complete violation of CPVPV’s laws, the mutaween of CPVPV are afraid to raid these parties, since these parties are hosted by the young princes of al-Saud, the monarchic ruling house of Saudi Arabia.[46]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ContentsoftheUnitedStatesdiplomaticcablesleak(Saudi_Arabia)

    And this too.

    I have noticed the most macho, hyper mascluine, homophbic countries in the world, infact enage in far more clandestine homosexuality than liberal Western European/North American socities where homosexiality is tolerated.

    Arabs, Turks, Caucasians, Iranians ad afghans are some of the most hyper macluine and homophic people in the world, but behind the scenes they enage in it far more frequantly than pre-marital Male- female sex witch is taboo.
    http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/35726-Clandestine-Homosexuality-in-the-Greater-Middle-East

    So just chill.

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  • Habib A.
    Aug 22, 2012 - 9:01PM

    It is very obvious that ET is romanticizing this western culture. These people are without a shadow of a doubt a tiny minority in Pakistan. You see people filling up mosques at a grand level not dance clubs. How many people show up at these clubs? And how many show up at mosques for maghrib prayers? Just do the math.

    These liberals, as I always say, should be deported to a country of their choice. They are a dark spot on the honor of our great nation. Is India willing to take them? We will send them gladly. Hey, we’ll even give them money to leave us alone.

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  • ayesha_khan
    Aug 22, 2012 - 9:51PM

    @Concerned: “@gp65:
    @Awans:
    Since when was partying a political statement? Of course this isn’t liberalism – it’s just partying. Nightclubs and discos aren’t filled with hippies and the like, their are all sorts of people there – ‘good’ and ‘bad’. “

    I was commenting on the article that described the party goers as liberal. My point was that there is nothing liberal about it. Partying is just that – partying. If further during partying people break laws (drink alcohol) and prevailing social norms (unmarried couples cuddling) then they can be described as hedonistic lawbreakers. I went onto describe what liberal actually means so that people do not confuse hedonism with liberalism.

    While I am a teetotaller myself and far too old to enjoy such wild parties, I am not passing judgment stating that these should be stopped etc. as long as they do not hurt anyone else or get in their cars and drive while still drunk. But describing such behavior incorrectly as liberal leads to terms such as ‘liberal extremist’ etc.

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  • ali
    Aug 22, 2012 - 11:54PM

    @new:
    newton rule can change but islam rule are not going to change till doomsday ,its all due to filthy thinking of people like you that denaming us in the world who are prefering newton,s rule more important than islam ruleRecommend

  • ali
    Aug 23, 2012 - 12:06AM

    NO doubt prostitution existed even in great islam era ,we should not highlight such thing to dename us ,but fie on them who have prefferd nEWTON,S rule to ISLAM RULEs ,after reading QURAN it will b clear to you that NEWTON,S rule already were disscussed in islam 1400 years before NEWTON disscussion,Recommend

  • faizan
    Aug 23, 2012 - 1:57AM

    any one who organizes underground party ?

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  • zubair khan
    Aug 23, 2012 - 2:04AM

    Judgement day anyone?Recommend

  • Dr. X
    Aug 23, 2012 - 4:16AM

    @Hamza:
    Hey Hamza Dont u know doctors and med students are the only ones who actually know a lot of drugs?! For the rest, I will let ur imagination run wild! Doctors can get ur high without ur parents noticing it!!! Not that I care about these parties and Junkies.
    Have u heard about Bhang samosas,Pakoras(Even in Ramadan) and Charas Cake to which plenty of med students fell prey to in Hostels? No? But It happens for real !

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  • Dr. X
    Aug 23, 2012 - 4:28AM

    Let me tell u something people.Poor People drink alcohal and do drugs. Even the poorest of the poor. I have seen poor patients telling doctors truth about their drinking habits and Sexual Perversions eg. Bestility. Who are we kidding??! Addiction is rampant in our society.

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  • MEHREEN
    Aug 23, 2012 - 10:33AM

    I have no issue with the article. Except for the fact that how come the author only include medical students in this category of Pakistani elites. Did he not find any other profession among the people he interviewed there.

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  • papoo piplia
    Aug 23, 2012 - 11:45AM

    cosmetic liberals. when it comes to women higher education, jobs and marriage of their own choice these families show their true cultural conservativeness.

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  • papoo piplia
    Aug 23, 2012 - 11:48AM

    and medical students? kidding right?

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  • Sarah Shah
    Aug 23, 2012 - 12:11PM

    comparing opinions of talibans with a few kids partying around ? surprised what kind of journalism is this ..stating names and pictures of people without their concern ? invasion of privacy..!!!!!!!!!!! Recommend

  • rimsha
    Aug 23, 2012 - 12:42PM

    “”””How are these smokers/drinkers/fornicators liberal? How do you call them as liberal?

    I am not against them. I don’t care what they do, as long as they don’t disturb my peace. However, how are they liberal?

    Let me ask you these questions : Do they have the courage to decry the killing of Ahmadis and Shia? Do they have the courage to stand for a 11 year old Xian girl? Do they raise their voice for the 100s of Hindus who migrated to India? Do they not discriminate against other sects or religions?

    There’s a word for such people – hedonists. And possibly hypocrites. Because the same people, you will find, throwing rose petals on your Khadris, when your media flashes the cameras.””””

    its a complete comment

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  • Taimur
    Aug 23, 2012 - 3:07PM

    60 Dollars Entry Fee !! Thats More than Enuf for me .. Any Installment Package ??

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  • Agha Bashir
    Aug 23, 2012 - 4:10PM

    Someone please tell how to enter these parties? I’ve range rover and would like to dance only….

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  • speakthetruth
    Aug 23, 2012 - 4:48PM

    I do not think one needs to get surprised or upset at this. From times immemorial everything that can be classified as wrong or bad or evil was present.
    If this world was a place as Allah wants it to be he would not have send a guidance in the form of Quran. Whoever takes heed of it is a lucky person. Intentions play a major role whether one adheres to the teachings of Islam or one is moderate. One who is wearing tight jeans can by all means be a person with a pious character, while one who covers herself could possess loose morals. Or the other way round. So we cannot judge those who go to parties and wear westernised clothes by virtue of their attire. Let Allah judge that. But yes we can be a judge to one who we see how he/she interacts and behaves with us & others. That is as far as we humans can go when judging others. Even then one must be careful and analyse oneself before judging others!! It is not that easy so the best thing to do is mind our own business and clean our souls everyday.They say before death, strangely, the good/bad character of the dead person comes out in the open to the world!!

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  • Muhammad Ishaq
    Aug 23, 2012 - 4:49PM

    Partying should be allowed, here. When one is relieved of bodily desires, he can think cleary and work better and be more productive.

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  • Kaleem
    Aug 23, 2012 - 5:43PM

    @Those who approve these parties, they may not like their brothers and sisters to attend these parties. Hypocrisy has dug deep into our souls.Recommend

  • Hamzaimam
    Aug 23, 2012 - 9:40PM

    the article is extremely biased and clearly written with a negative intent while I agree with most of the content, it is the manner of presentation which makes it an instigatory piece. One can surely point out to parties all over the world which described in the manner of the article will instigate many in their respective countries. for e.g I was in a party in New york very recently where cocaine was being served in lounges to the guests in abundance, when did cocaine become legal in america? can the author clarify? the parties and receptions well attended by politicians and senior government office holders in US, UK and many Islamic countries including Malaysia, turkey, UAE and even Saudi Arabia are far more elaborate where alcohol and drugs like Cocaine, extacy and LSD are served by semi clad women. As a point of information the biggest consumption of Black label on a country basis is The UAE. Be as it may the freedom to humanity within the confined of the four walls are basic human rights, an article defiyng such rights and instigating hate should be edited responsibly. Just as one does not talk about the wrong religious practices being practiced by many in the privacy of their homes, does one talk about extremism, fundamentalism, cultism, idol worship etc being practiced by many all over the globe may it be US, Germany or Australia? Needless to say as i recall it is illegal for girls to take drugs or to be in an illegitimate relationship in the
    UK and US. Has the author seen television programs such as MTV grind ever?? needless to point out what Pakistanis do on their parties is their personal matter and all with harmless intent. We should teach them, educate them, and respect their way of life, doesn’t this sound more responsible.

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  • Commenter
    Aug 23, 2012 - 11:38PM

    I am totally against these wannabes who are trying to embrace the western culture but if u think about it..at least they are not killing innocent people. Who knows they are God’s favorite people! Partying and not being modest are obviously sins but I am sure they are not as big as killing someone or bringing tears to somebody’s eyes!

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  • Faheem
    Aug 24, 2012 - 1:57AM

    The hoopla surrounding this report is both compelling and ironic. People are gloating over this news item as great new advancement, and others with medieval stamp of mind are squirming with resentment and jealousy. And it is in that progressives are celebrating a small stray phenomenon as great victory of liberalism. On the contrary , tolerance and liberalism have always been a part of our culture and history until the partition, when the ideology took over.
    Before independence, in Lahore, as in other large cities of India, a relaxed, multicultural and culturally pulsating life existed. Khushwant Singh’s autobiography, ‘Truth , Love and a Little Malice’ and KK Aziz’s ‘ Coffee House of Lahore’ offer substantial account of that rich life. However a difference remains. In those days, the liberal, tolerant atmosphere was inspired by culture , intellectualism, religious freedom and sobriety. This very underground party denotes debauchery, and an urge to make the most of the moment as well as the money spent.
    During the British Raj, in Lahore three magnificent, restaurants existed. Metro, Lorangs, and Stiffles. KK Aziz says , ” At the corner of the present-day WAPDA house, facing the assembly chambers, “where tea was served alfresco and Miss Angela did her cabaret show. In the two hall-size rooms of the Shah Din Building was the Lorangs, the finest restaurant in the town, patronized by the elite. Near it stood the Stiffles where the guests dined in the dinner jackets, danced in the evening, and lunched with their friends in as English an ambiance as could be conceived .” In two foremost clubs of Lahore, Gymkhana and Cosmopolitan alcohol was freely consumed, men and women would swim and play tennis together, and dance parties were held.
    Khushwant Singh in his autobiography gives a detailed account of the social life of Lahore of that time. We learn how people from all religions, Mulsim, Sikhs, Parsi, and Hindus would pay visit to each others, homes, throw parties, and men and women would interact without fear of persecution. Mangat Rai was an ex- ICS officer, then posted in Lahore, Mr Singh tells us about an incident when Mangat Rai gave ride to a girl who was alone in a railway station, on his bicycle to drop her home. She preferred to sit on the front rod instead at the back of the cycle. They both hit it off and she ended up being in his apartment in sheer intimacy. Mr. Rai related this event to Khushwant’s wife of whom he (Mangat) was enamored in those days.
    The folks enjoying the party under discussion will live a very different life as soon as they are out of it. They will pretend a facade of puritanism while coursing through their lives in different avenues of Pakistani society. The sheer dissimulation takes its toll. You get a personality that is split against itself. You become obsessed with ” having fun”, it in itself takes its toll on your capacity to do sustained work.
    By the way, is not is another evidence that partition did harm to us? Had we been united, had we been living together with Hindus and Sikhs, our lives would have been more normal, with more chances of joy and fun in our lives.
    However, on balance, I congratulate these scattered few intrepid souls who are upholding the standard of normal life in Pakistan. I hope this tendency will spread to middle classes too. And Pakistan will become a more livable, decent place to live our lives, and expatriates like us in the west will not be forced to quit the country.

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  • Vikram
    Aug 24, 2012 - 2:50AM

    @rimsha:
    Do they have the courage to decry the killing of Ahmadis and Shia? Do they have the courage to stand for a 11 year old Xian girl? Do they raise their voice for the 100s of Hindus who migrated to India? Do they not discriminate against other sects or religions?

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  • Zoon
    Aug 24, 2012 - 10:51AM

    Why must they represent? The article never said that.. The 10% and 90% can decide fir themselves respectively @Farrukh:

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  • casim
    Aug 24, 2012 - 1:17PM

    I’d care less for such people who waste themselves in such parties & have zero implication on Pakistan, we should better concentrate on how to build a better society instead of pointing out these wasted bunch of people out of 180 million. It would be much wiser to talk about the 180 million instead of few dozens of elites :) I have no objection on what these people do in private parties, let them waste their parents money & their life :) Peace out

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  • Ali
    Aug 24, 2012 - 10:03PM

    After the amazing success of BYOB* at all parties, my message to the reporter: MYOB – MindYourOwnBusiness.

    *for those who don’t know, its best you keep it that way.

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  • Numair
    Aug 25, 2012 - 2:39AM

    @NumairShahzada:

    I came to add my views on what went down with this article but just about everywhere here has got the right idea. But just to add a few points here. I was NOT interviewed at a party. I met the writer at Mocca Coffee. I was most definitely NOT bobbing my head either. Most of her information is based on made up facts of her own. The party in the image was a recently held Rave in Islamabad. This journalist wasn’t even there and it really wasn’t this tacky! In fact it was actually EPIC beyond proportions! Not what she’s elaborated on here.. Is this really what is to be expected from Reuters? This woman should be held accountable.

    Cheer guys.

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  • Aug 25, 2012 - 4:55AM

    Parties like this are a little bit over the top.I am not sure the party goers will return home in a happy state of mind or with any satisfaction.I am sure there are other means of enjoyment which one will find much enjoyable and satisfying.

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  • sajjad khan
    Aug 25, 2012 - 5:58AM

    If secularism or liberalism means turning into filthy pigs, who wants to live life the way they like, means without morals or values or meaning of Islamic practices is the way Taliban or sharia of big stomach molanah fazul-Rehman.They need complete over hauling of understanding, you can’t copy west in his filth and immoralities and call yourself enlight modrate or open minded. You can’t see molanah fazulu and translate it as Islam, when his stomach is wider then zardari. Muslim got to see the difference in their opinion or action that, are they turning into western poop by copying or extremist, who are not tolerant to others opinion.

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  • Vikram
    Aug 25, 2012 - 6:18AM

    @Commenter: “I am totally against these wannabes who are trying to embrace the western culture but if u think about it..at least they are not killing innocent people”

    Everything happens in Pakistan, people just don’t talk about it. Most Muslim countries are in top ten list of Internet porn watchers. Sexual harassment of women is very common. Arab leaders who force women to wear burqa, bring White girls for entertainment.

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  • Vikram
    Aug 25, 2012 - 11:56PM

    @Terry: Does anyone want their sisters being in such an environment?

    Pakistani women do get sexually abused /harassed in public places, buses, at work and you name it. Would you like your sister to live in such environment?

    What intellectual gatherings are you talking about. Did you read about the scandal where girl students were being graded on sexual relationships with professors in a reputed Islamic University. I even saw one video on the Internet, where a professor was caught with his pants down in his office. I was surprised to know, professors offices have attached BEDROOMS.

    I don’t think single men and women are allowed to meet each other in intellectual meetings, because it does not take long from intellectual meeting to become a sexual meeting.

    Internet Porn is very popular in Pakistan.

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  • kashif mehmood
    Aug 26, 2012 - 1:03PM

    100 % agree with you boos @Syed Arbab Ahmed: , two wrong doesn’t make one right

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  • ailua khan
    Aug 26, 2012 - 2:09PM

    I really wanted to laugh my guts out at this article. Has this writer even visited a bachelor party in the most rural area of Pakistan? this is nothing in comparison. I see a conserved view point here. this so called “party scene ” is common, very common. Even in our schools, our colleges in the country ( not all but I assure you most ). Just because if there is a wedding in rural Pakistan and some people have hired dancing women to entertain them , women dressed in more vulgar clothes, How is that never highlighted? secondly Islamabad is a city, where not only “MUSLIMS” live but people from around the globe reside there. I guess we all know that foreigners(or the non Muslim community) are by Islamic granted the right to practice as they please in a Muslim country , but not openly. I do believe that these parties do not take place in public parks. I just ask the writer a simple question.Recommend

  • Sher Ghazi
    Aug 27, 2012 - 11:29AM

    Everyone has right to live with his own style, whats the problem with the writer. Everyone have right to enjoy there life and can do what ever he or she wants. Long live youngsters.

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  • Aug 27, 2012 - 8:19PM

    i am glad i am an Indian

    at least I am not being judged for what I wear, what i drink (i don’t booze or smoke though, my friends do and i think it is ok, but i dance like crazy and i sport a few tattoos)

    I am not being judged on if i listen to music, if i dance, or if i friend a woman or a man

    i don’t need a cleric to tell me whether i can keep a dog, whether i should ask my friend his religion before allowing him to my birthday party ….or whether to throw a party at my home at all

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  • Vikram
    Aug 30, 2012 - 8:56PM

    Talibans killed 17 people who were attending a social gathering / party in Afghanistan this week. Please don’t give too much information about these parties, some taliban type people read and comment here.

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  • Syed Shahab Ali
    Sep 4, 2012 - 1:01PM

    Your responsed in the Article your self .
    Qoute ” The party-goers form only a tiny minority of the country’s 180 million people, but overall, Pakistan is not repressive. Women can drive, are enrolled in universities and have played prominent roles in politics. “

    thus it is merely in percentage which donot even comes up to 1% .

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