But then, we also remain petulantly reticent to share with others of what we believe in and in what we do, or why. That makes the world think that we are devious, even when such capital at hand for us to exercise deviousness or its subordinate manifestations has mostly been abysmally low. Usually nations with significant capacities alone can be as luxurious in their choices. We have believed in creating space not through some hard-nosed diplomacy but through classical doublespeak, even when we have known that our real disposition is always closer to what is right and what will serve the larger interest of everybody. To seek altruistic ends, we exercise chicanery as the glorified form of diplomacy. Steeped in heaps of missteps and the consequential ignominy, as a leadership has blundered from one crisis of image to another, we have let such diabolism internalise to the point of reflecting our central characteristic as a nation.
We are not bad as people, but in dealing with the matters of the state, we have let the bad envelop us as the defining attribute and thus defiance becomes our instinctive response when challenged on our state’s perceived craftiness. The point is, we are not bad; our ways are bad and we need to do something about it. We have a story, but we are inept at telling it to others. In fact, we are so taken in by chicanery as the form of how a state validates its disposition that we easily fall into the trap of defending such disposition with further charlatanism.
Like I said, we have a story; we just don’t tell it. Between India and Pakistan, Mumbai 2008 holds the key to determining where this relationship will go. We have both a weak and a strong case on Mumbai; but we live in inexplicable serenity of disinterest, even when India has gone to town with painting Pakistan as a nation given to violence as the only arbiter. We get easily taken in by the bonhomie and conviviality of a bilateral interaction, but change the scene to a third-country presence and see the Indian delegates go ballistic in their venomous viciousness to paint Pakistan in worse light. Pakistan, then, only defends and deflects, even with a reasonable narrative on the holes in the Indian case, and on how law will judge evidence. But no, while with the Indians we appease their sense of grief subscribing to the ‘mitti pao’ doctrine of Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, what drives our friends across the border is ‘the Parthasarthy doctrine’, which says, rub the Pakistanis so bad in the dirt that it might take them generations to recover from infamy and disgrace.
India seeks bilateralism to resolve disputes but has gone to the world in Mumbai, heaping abuse on Pakistan, violating exactly the same principle. We have failed to engage the world on this more sensitive allegation that purports to define Pakistan as a sponsor of terrorism. Our legal wizards need to take up the obvious inadequacies in India’s legal standing on Mumbai and its unwillingness to put its stance to such legal scrutiny. Instead, we remain bedevilled by a reductionist parsing of the issue of our image to a simplistic civil-military connotation where instead of fighting the external effort to demean Pakistan, we thrive on our evening talk shows to defile the military instead. In our restrictive liberal definition, we eschew nationalism as a counter-thesis to liberal values.
Pakistan’s case on Mumbai is both strong and weak: Mumbai happened; the perpetrators sailed from Pakistan; and we failed to stop them. But so is India’s. She has chosen instead to trade the legal weaknesses in her case for political benefit by demeaning a competitive neighbour by touting superior moral mantle and making cause of a tragedy. For Pakistan, that generates an immediate imperative to contend against, even while we fight the inner front. We haven’t done well at all in this regard.
Ditto with Haqqani, or North Waziristan. We have let ambiguity run our course as a nation. The quiet is deafening, reinforcing the presumptions that the world makes of us. We have a clear stance on both these issues but choosing to remain ambiguous will only cause a festering sore to become a haemorrhaging disability. Oblivious to the bile that piles, we remain mired in our internal shenanigans. On a sinking ship, the need is to plug the hole, not go about determining who caused it.
Published in The Express Tribune, August 13th, 2012.
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@Ejaaz
Great articulation. Respect all the way.
Numbersnumbers, it doesn't take a genius to know exactly who was behind the attack. Just two facts for you to consider -(1) The Indian officer leading the police response had been actively involved in investigating the expansive network of Hindu terrorists spreading from Kashmir to South India. This upright and brave officer was killed under most mysterious circumstances. Some Indian journalists like Kuldip Nayar directly blamed Hindu terrorists but were later silenced. (2) Two days before the attack, Hindu terrorist organization RSS had held what they called the "Final Launch" session, not too far from Mumbai. Video clips showed Hindu terrorists practicing shooting at passers by just the way was done in Mumbai. The Indian government quickly and quietly banned the video and put a gag order on news outlets about gathering of Hindu terrorists.
Now, you tell me who the victim is here - India or Pakistan?
@kaalchakra: So, if you know the TRUTH, then please tell us who killed all those people in the Mumbai terrorist attack, and who supported, trained, and financed that attack!
Palu, and who be you and your qualification to advise Tony and me? That of the three of us, you are the only one who has filth on your mind? Lady, Sir, we don't NEED alternatives. I have my way of knowing the Truth (since it comes from Allah alone), and Tony has his. You on the other hand, very much seem to be selling something you don't yourselves have.
So what if what India does is right. Isnt it a fact that pakistanis killed over 200 people in mumbai. if some RSS guy killed 200 people in lahore or karachi i want to see if you would still have said "mitti pao". isnt it better to just accept the truth and help india in bringing the terrorists to justice? you can keep your head buried in sand but it wont solve anything.
@Author - Please give us your email id. Unfortunately the moderators keep blocking the stuff i want to say to you !
@Tony Singh:
Whose truth? Yours or Kaalchakra's? How do you know, your truth is the truth? Because that is what you have been told? Ditto for Kaalchakra?Last words on Mumbai have not been spoken yet. Wait for the truth to emerge. Or, if you need to know it earlier, get about finding it together, you two. There is no other alternative. Else, keep roiling each other in filth and abuse.
@International Observer"They also nmeed to know, that mumbai is indeed the big hole in pakistans reputation." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ And yet another big hole is OBL..................!!!!!!!! Thats why the author cleverly restricted his universal thesis to India only !
This line of argument leads to implying that police are guilty as the perpetrator of a robbery. This logic only holds if India had some sort of Precrime police force a la Minority Report movie. And hence, another logical fallacy!
But, Pakistan itself says that the perpetrators are stateless actors, which makes the issue trilateral and hence the bilateral clause can't be invoked by Pakistan. Hope this logical fallacy is corrected in the article.
@gp65- Old habits and mindsets die hard.Decades spent in the P army have made him what he is today.It's too late in the day to make him see reason.Let's just hope the next generation is wiser!
@kaalchakra: The only ability the author has is to shriek away from truth. And you too have it.
Someone has the courage to stand tall and tell the truth. Let haters hate.
The mark of a great man is Cheetah ka jigar aur shaheen ka tajassus - and the author has both.
@Bobby:
How cute. Ejaaz too is a pretender; and a serious one too. Why isn't someone from Pakistan commenting on it? They aren't mean enough as readers across the divide to trivialise as important an issue as terrorism in the region into personalised hatred. In each such remark above you all leave a little of yourself to the rest of the world. Pathetic. You reinforce the stereotype that you perceive of a Pakistani while strengthening a similarly damaging stereotype of an Indian to a Pakistani mind. History proves itself right every time people like Indian crusaders above indulge in such triviality.
Maybe The Tribune needs to review its policy of letting hatred seep into the comments section of its Blog.
Do we still need to resolve the difficulties emerging out of Mumbai? The rational response to the question answers all those who question the need for a serious debate and introspection on all sides to move beyond Mumbai. Neither the Indian mind can be closed to the finality of having declared the final verdict, nor can a Pakistani mind deny how ambiguity damages its own image. If this message isn't seen by the readers of these pages, perhaps we need some new readers.
@Mirza: You may have forgotten the Mumbai attacks but be assured that we will never forget. . Everything we do vis-a-vis Pakistan will forever be colored by the terror unleashed by ten of your citizens & their handlers in Pakistan and your subsequent inaction to bring the perpetrators to justice.
My colleagues from India are quite bitter about the Bombay incident and rightly so. However, it sounds a one way street type reaction. In my view, we both neighbors have to revisit our actions and / inaction(s) in the entire history. Both countries have different violent movements; can someone deny that fact or reality on ground? One is kosher and other is otherwise is difficult to justify.
Bombay was an act of insanity by non-state actors as Pakistan claims (Indian can differ but you can't expect different reaction either). You can laugh at it but we are facing such incidents day in and day out; are they also organized by our government or establishment too? How about Samjhota Express incident that killed hundreds of poor Pakistani people alive? No body talks about that cruel happening because they were ordinary people who went to visit their relatives in India? There were reports even that the person responsible had direct link with Indian establishment. Wrong or right but incident did happen. Let us be fair and condemn both and all such cruel acts. Both sides are equally responsible for bad relations and we should have guts to say so. Period.
Instead of spreading hate, we need to play our role, no matter how minor it is, to push things to avoid such stupid and coward acts. Whether we want to deal with each other or not, we still have to live in this region. If that can't be changed, why not to understand the realities on ground as they are and try to change those unfavorable conditions instead of keep blaming each other. Adding fuel to fire will take us no where!
What holds you back as a nation? Why, denial would be the number one factor holding you back. It is simple, stop denying that you are not of Indian heritage and adopt policies that will erase institutionalized lies that have divided the people of greater India.
"To seek altruistic ends, we exercise chicanery... "India seeks bilateralism to resolve disputes but has gone to the world in Mumbai, heaping abuse on Pakistan, violating exactly the same principle. We have failed to engage the world on this more sensitive allegation that purports to define Pakistan as a sponsor of terrorism. Our legal wizards need to take up the obvious inadequacies in India’s legal standing on Mumbai and its unwillingness to put its stance to such legal scrutiny."
Big huge fails here. First, India appealed "to the world" only after crude stonewalling by Pakistan was evident for all to see. That's not a violation by India of bilateralism.
Second, the failure to engage in self-examination and limit engagement to picky, even irrelevant, legal issues tells everyone that Pakistan refuses to confront the core moral issues involved.
Third, it is nearly beyond belief that Chaudry attributes Pakistan's motivations and deceptions to "altruism". If Pakistan isn't working in its own interest, whose interest is it working for, exactly?
@Ejaaz:
Of course, the Air Vice Marshall knows all that you have so eloquently described. It must be something in their training to be provocative.
That people like you still live in Pakistan is a welcome feeling. You are much appreciated for your views, not just because they lean favorably towards India, but because they are true. How I wish there were many more like you who could navigate Pakistan away from being what the world has come to know it as; a rouge state.
I will be very appreciative to learn of your thoughts on the shortcomings of India, as well.
Mumbai attacks? Yes, I remember there was an incident that took place in India some yrs back. Now what about that? R they still crying about it? Of all Readers, seems likes majority of them were Indians.Congratulations ET you've got some readership in India. They came, read the article, commented, liked their own comments and disappeared. THE END.
Oh God, another attempt to fix Pakistan and its policies.
What does he suggest? That exploit the legal loopholes for crimes committed by people whom Pakistan has supported in the past.
Pathetic reasoning.
Kasab is not bad; only his ways are. India should send him back home with gifts and advice to mend his ways!
AVM saab,
As is your wont, you will dismiss ALL criticism as posts by RAW's paid cyber agents. In fact people like Ejaaz who have claimed to be Pakistanis would be dismissed by you as either 'Hindus hiding under Pakistani names' as you mentioned in an earlier OpEd or Pakistanis also on RAW payroll. Have you wondered though what is preventing patriotic Pakistanis from supporting your stance? Why none of them have even 'Liked' your article? Perhaps because truly patriotic Pakistanis are people like sabi and Ejaaz who do not think that the lies and obfuscation that appeared to be serving Pakistan well in the short term are in Pakistan's best long term interests. In fact since these lies were not just told to foreigners but your own people, it has highly radicalized your own society.
Its the desire of Pakistanis to be the flag bearer of Islam what holds them back. Its their desire to fly the Islamic flag in Delhi what holds them back. Its their desire to treat Afghanistan as their backyard what holds them back. Its the rapid spread of Wahhabism what holds them back. And finally its their lies and duplicity what holds them back. Is that not enough ??
To seek altruistic ends, we exercise chicanery as the glorified form of diplomacy.
Sir, you seriously want the rest of the world to believe that Haqqanis in NWA, and OBL in Abbottabad and non-state actors (like LeT, LeJ et al) all over the country, are being hosted for ALTRUISTIC ENDS ?
Sir, you stretch the meaning of gullibility.
Mumbai has become proverbial a bone stuck in the throat of Pakistan that Pakistan neither swallow it nor spit it out. That is why they are spinning news Manmohan is coming Manmohan is coming because once he lands in Islamabad every sin will be wiped out and it will give us a clean chit. International community has a very strong case and that is why it can not be swept under the carpet.
Pakistani news media spread so much ink on death of 24 army man in Salalha incident but want India to forget 166 members of the civilized global community.When is Apology coming? Always looking for special treatment whether it is from IMF, US or India Or KSR or China.
Author says Pakistan is a young nation. He is dead wrong. Pakistan may be young administratively but civilization is very old.e.g.Pakistan Civil procedure Act used in Court is from 1908 same for India. Indus valley civilization is very old. Pakistan was under British rule for 200 years, Mogul rule for another 200 years. Author thinks he is a better wordsmith.
Next article will be about Hindu migration with worsmithing that India should forget about it as these were very religious people who could not live very far from their temple or economic opportunists.
parthasarthi doctorine vs shahjad chaudhary doctorine i as listener to various indian channels where mr parthasarthi and mr chaudhary appear have reached firm conclusion that both of them be banned as friendship or peace between 2 counties is first victim. there is no meeting point. and truth is only victim. coming to mumbai carnage; pakistan does not have to send commision to mumbai to find out the truth. it has to only investigate within Pakistan to find out what the ring master were doing. the people who reached mumbai were mere puppets. if pakistan has failed to catch these non state actors as pakistan claims them to be, then pakistan alone has to explain its failure
"What holds us back" ++++++++++++++++++ The answer hidden in the article is: the dastardly Indians hold Pakistan back.
"As people and a nation, we are called a nation in denial" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Pakistani FM: Dial 1 for denial Dial 2 for strong denial Dial 3 for vehement denial.
"We have both a weak and a strong case on Mumbai; but we live in inexplicable serenity of disinterest, even when India has gone to town with painting Pakistan as a nation given to violence as the only arbiter.''Has it ever occurred to you Mr AVM that you do not have a story that people other than the most brainwashed will believe.
The author indulges in the same behaviour that he accuses Pakistan of ! He says "Pakistan’s case on Mumbai is both strong and weak: Mumbai happened; the perpetrators sailed from Pakistan; and we failed to stop them. But so is India’s.." Sir, the difference is , India is seeking to punish the perpetrators and Pakistan is seeking to protect them.
This joker is at it again
@author: You will not change. Your generation will die out by 2020-2030. Hopefully then, Pakistan will get new leaders, diplomats. Hopefully they will be people like Ejaaz, who genuinely want development of Pakistan to the most important agenda of its polity.
I hope people like you don't plunge your country into complete chaos till then. 180 mil people don't deserve to go down like this. They deserve a good life.
You may not see it now, but you are going down a path many before you have taken before. The likes of Somalia, Iraq, Syria. Only these are small nations. If the people of Pakistan suffer the same plight as the people of these country, it will be one of history's greatest disasters.
"We have both a weak and a strong case on Mumbai"
A weak case because Pakistan is caught its pants down and a strong case because,India can not prove anything in court of law. No legal wizard or seasoned diplomat in the world can fight such a case Only thing that is possible is "outright denial" since the case is strong. Unfortunately, that is not possible because the case is weak!
@Author Pakistan remains a young nation
If someone behaves like a 4 year old even at the age of 65, we call that person "Mentally Retarded"
@Mahakaalchakra Indians are the bad people who do good things while pakistanis are good people who do bad things. I think this should be clear now.
Sir, It is this headline in ET that you need to worry about rather than your unending diatribes about Mumbai. "Obama paves way for Haqqani network to be designated as an FTO" http://tribune.com.pk/story/420820/obama-paves-way-for-haqqani-network-to-be-designated-as-an-fto/
Please assign your legal wizards to convincing US on this front because it will affect your free supply of arms. Also unlike India whom you threaten with nuclear blackmail preventing any attack on known terror camps - US has no such restraints. It can also sanction you (and no this is not similar to 1998 or Pressler's sanctions). These sanctions can potentially be of an intensity that are like nothing you have experienced before.
Look West Sir. Look West.
@Author "“The point is, we are not bad; our ways are bad "
Actions speak louder than words. If your ways are bad then you are bad. If you want perception to change, change the reality first. Glib talk has gotten you all as far as it could. That strategy is past the sell-by date.
@Ejaaz:
Brilliant post! Well articulate and utterly truthful. Your kind of approach of accepting the obvious truth and turning a new leaf is the only way Pakistan can change its tarnished image and not by the "wizadry" (read: more lies) that the good Air Marshal advocates. He thinks the global community is packed with fools who can be kept confused by piling on more and more lies. The sad part is that Mr. Chaudry epitomizes and reflects the thinking of the Establishment power wielders.
For a long time, Pakistan was winning the PR war as long it satisfied the Amercian interests. Over the last 5 -6 years the rest of the world has started seeing things differently primarily driven by terrorism originating from pakistan. To the extreme frustration of Pakistan even the Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia are no longer tolerating the Pakistan duplicity on terrorism(otherwise, Jundal would have never been deported to India). Credit must be given to Mr. Chaudhry for atleast acknowledging boats left pakistani shores.
And how do we explain to the world Ilyas Kashmiri running around with the severed head of an Indian Army Officer and the Commando President giving him a Rs 100 thousand cash award?
Mr.Chaudry states in his opening that Pakistan lives in denial but, from rest of his article, it appears that he is a leading proponent of living in denial of the truth. His not so subtle message is that Pakistan has not been engaging in a strong enough denial of the involvement of Pakistan in the 2008 Mumbai massacre.
Mr. Chaudry isn't time for you and your fellow Establishment cabal to accept the truth that the whole world knows- that Pakistani state has been using terrorism as a tool of foreign policy? Only the truth will set Pakistan free and not the denial drama you are advocating.
Forget Mumbai, just do honest investigation of Saleem Shahzad. Have the courage to say spade a spade sir!
@Ejaaz - Thank you.
Some of the Pakistanis like you are better qualified to be defence analysts than so many ambassadors/ retired service chiefs.
Shahzad, What is your definition of "bad people"?
What a pathetic attempt at denying the truth about Pakistan's policies that is glaringly evident to the whole world.
Do you know what is in your long term interest? Work towards this:
Long after India and all Indians, and indeed the rest of the world, have forgotten the dastardly Mumbai attacks, each and every Pakistani, and all Pakistani historians, remember the utter futility of that inhuman and cowardly act perpetrated by two legged animals in human form. Repentance alone will make you better Muslims and give Pakistan some respect in the comity of nations.
The writer, a retired defense officer, could better concentrate his energies in purging the Military History of Pakistan of all falsehood.
The faster Pakistan gets out of the hole it dug for others to fall into the better for all of South Asia. A country that chose terrorism as an instrument of State policy and radicalized its own society solely based on hate of another country can hardly get sympathy anywhere. The author may want to delude himself that marketing of the country has been bad and media management is at fault, but honestly what can diplomacy achieve when interlocutors have been caught consistently peddling lies. The basics of common sense is that actions speak louder than words. I can make a million promises but end of the day only what I do, not what I say will carry weight and credibility. If Pakistan has the slightest interest in the welfare of its own people and winning back the goodwill of the International community it will carry out its own investigation into the Mumbai attack and bring the plotters, planners and financiers to Justice. The death of 166 innocent victims from over a dozen countries including over 40 Muslims by terrorists may be an insignificant issue for some but it has a significant impact on the future of Pakistan and its 180 million people, who deserve a brighter future for their children. Pakistan cannot come out of its crises without the support of 1.2 billion brothers and sisters from across the border, without placating them even if the Government of India wants to help it will be able to do nothing. Escapism, denial and deceit need to be buried ten feet under if the country wants to avoid becoming another North Korea.
You need more time as you are too young to have unambiguous policies????? Please grow up. In 65 years a whole generation turns old and capable enough to decide what is right or wrong. And if you need to have a clear and independent policy please stop viewing the world through the prism of India and what Indians do. Anyways views through a prism are generally a bit distorted.... People of Pakistan are good and so are people from any damn country including America. But the real litmus test of their character is how they act and behave.
So to sum it up .. your not a bad people - even though you do bad things. Only a Pakistani would write such nonsense.
The ex-AVM is hurt that the military is 'defiled' on TV. He obviously does not subscribe to the principle that the driver at the steering wheel who drives the car into a tree in broad daylight deserves to be stripped of his license. Who was/is at Pakistan's steering wheel since at least 1958? The military. Is there any doubt that our ship of state is where Titanic was after hitting the iceberg? And the ex-AVM still wants the military to stay at the wheel, and not be held accountable for all the crises and miseries it has wrought on the nation.
@Ejaaz: apperciate your honesty.thank you
"Mumbai happened; the perpetrators sailed from Pakistan; and we failed to stop them." So the author is trying to tell the world that Pakistan's culpability in Mumbai attacks is just limited to its inability to stop the terrorists from leaving Pakistani shores. What about the whole planning of the attacks which was hatched in Pakistan? What about the "Live" management of the attacks from the Karachi control room? What about the Pakistani refusal to cooperate after the Mumbai attacks? What about the sham trial of the perpetrators being conducted in Pakistani courts? India has, to a certain extent, managed to keep the pressure on Pakistan as far as Mumbai attacks are concerned and Pakistan is feeling a lot of international heat. The desperate invitations extended to the Indian PM to visit Pakistan are a part of the Pakistani strategy to get the Mumbai pressure off its head. If the Indian PM does visit Pakistan then it would be a big step in letting Pakistan off the hook. Pakistan will tell the world that the visit of Indian PM has vindicated Pakistan's stand on Mumbai attacks and India has moved on. If Manmohan Singh is so desperate to visit his ancestral village in Pakistan then he is well advised to do so after he demits office. Even BJP leader L.K.Advani visited Pakistan after he demitted office and rather curiously discovered the virtues of Jinnah's secularism.
"India seeks bilateralism to resolve disputes but has gone to the world in Mumbai, heaping abuse on Pakistan, violating exactly the same principle". Mr.Chaudhary, the whole world witnessed the Mumbai horror for full 60 hours on live TV. Moreover foreign nationals including Israelis and Americans were killed. So the international attention on the Mumbai carnage was quite natural. Mumbai attack was not any sundry shootout in Kashmir. It was a well executed commando style attack on India's civilian targets. Since India did not go to war with Pakistan after Mumbai attacks therefore the only option left was to put international pressure on Pakistan to come clean. Pakistanis in fact should be happy that South Asia did not see a potential nuclear war in the aftermath of Mumbai attacks. Pakistan should understand that Mumbai attacks permanently changed the way an ordinary Indian citizen looks at Pakistan. Indians will neither forgive nor forget Mumbai attacks till Pakistan brings the guilty to justice.
So how do you think on OBL hiding ? Does Pakistan has a case ?
@Ejaaz - I as an Indian would like to thank you for your sensitivity.
AVM thesaurus at it again.
Until the Pakistani ship that constitutionalizes hate and codifies its Religious - military "superiority" sinks, Pakistan will remain a pariah state. Its "case" on terror - including Mumbai, is NO case at all. Only the irresponsible can parse arguments where there are none, and submit senseless view points of "strong and weak". It is this mindset that holds Pakistan back. It stands isolated on terror as an instrument of state policy. No one buys its 'strategic' arguments with respect to Kashmir, FATA, Haqqanis, Waziristan or Afghanistan.
your point is?
You neglected to mention that even though "The (Mumbai) perpetrators sailed from Pakistan", Pakistan has done virtually nothing about the groups INSIDE PAKISTAN that planned, trained and financed the terrorist operation that killed so many!
Author. " On a sinking ship, the need is to plug the hole, not go about determining who caused it." No sir,that's what establishment is doing in this country for last sixty five years pluging the hole and ignoring who caused it And you want to continue this practis for whos intrest? Certainly not for the people. .
Pakistan is the best place to live. Pakistanis, please don't migrate to any other country.for God's sake. Win win situation. :-)
So you're basically blaming everyone else in a way that's a bit more subtle than the usual. Since it's closer to a Mumbai rant than anything else I'll just leave it at that and get out of the way of the Indian comments it's going to attract who would be more credible than me anyways.
Governments are not knaive. They know that not everything can be proved in courts of law. But if that is the only basis on which to act, no government anywhere in the world can do anything. Mumbai as clearly mentioned by the then Indian national security advisor, is NOT a litmus test. But progress on that, and how Pakistan responds and behaves, would definitely be a marker for indo-pak relatioships, irrespective of court verdicts. You brand any document on that a 'thrash'. You make no effort to move on bringing out evidences at your end. You still insinuate that Mumbai was an Indian plot to implicate Pakistan. India does not need to rub Pak's nose in the mud in non bilateral fora. Much of the world are interested parties. They can see through what is happening. Yes, you are not bad guys, but the world hopes that you see both your nose and the stuff on the horizon and not run around as headless chicken
I as a Pakistani will make only four points.
So for you sir, the solution to our denial syndrome is more time as we are a young nation. Well, time is not on our side and we will only become more hateful with time let alone coming out of denial.
A country where the debate of two opposite systems has polarized the society is still prevalent even after 65 years, how much more time do you need to sort this basic thing out?
Now India. Their diplomacy has worked and the world sadly listens to them not us. Terrorism is not a bilateral issue any more and Indians know it very well and they have been smart enough to show Pakistan as a nuisance to the world.
Lastly, Pakistan has domestic problems which start from the strategic doctrine we have. Getting rid of this doctrine cannot be done without criticism of the GHQ.
Air Vice Marshal Sahib: "The point is, we are not bad; our ways are bad and we need to do something about it."
Sir people are defined by what they do. If someone ways are bad then they are bad.
"Our legal wizards need to take up the obvious inadequacies in India’s legal standing on Mumbai and its unwillingness to put its stance to such legal scrutiny."
Legal wizardry implies that we are unwilling to be sincere. The Americans, the British, the Russians, and even the Chinese have an unambiguous view that our wizards were behind the Mumbai attack. The Americans have voice recordings of people involved. Headley Sahib has sung like a canary in Chicago and implicated our wizards. Kasab and Jundal are in the hands of the Indians and they talk about ISI handlers. We killed 166 people in Mumbai. We went specifically looking for jews to kill in Mumbai, and when we found them, we tortured them before we killed them. That is what the Americans told the judge hearing the case in America. And you think our legal wizards will be able to tell the world that they are all wrong and that we had nothing to do with Mumbai? That it was all a mistake when we tried to deny Kasab was a Pakistani? That it was some alien who issued the Pakistani Passport to Jundal to travel to Saudi Arabia? That it was some alien who told the Saudis that Jundal was a Pakistani and not an Indian and that he should not be handed over to the Indians?
Vice Marshal Sahib, if an idiot like myself who barely reads the newspapers knows all this, what chance do you think our legal wizard stands in convincing the Americans and the Indians that they have it all wrong and that we really are not bad but just has a bad way of telling silly lies and killing innocent people.
your sense of guilt holds you back.
So what do you think about 9/11 - how strong is that case?
Militancy against India is now a well known and well accepted fact. Do you have any ideas how to balance out from the negative effects of this fact spreading throughout the world?