Pakistan, these days, is in the grip of an acute energy crisis. Many small businesses are being forced to shut down because of massive power outages. Protests against loadshedding are now not just routine, but routinely violent. Even the Government of Punjab, Pakistan’s largest province, supports these protests, though it claims to deprecate the accompanying violence. Lack of electricity is thus certainly one of the most important public policy problems in Pakistan.
Before becoming the prime minister, Raja Pervaiz Ashraf’s most prominent position was as the federal minister for water and power, a position which he occupied from February 2008, all the way up till February 2011. Raja Sahib not only failed singularly in alleviating loadshedding, but acquired an unenviable reputation as the “Baghdad Bob” of Islamabad, forever making ludicrous pronouncements about how the end of loadshedding was around the corner.
Our new prime minister was also regarded as the main mover behind the decision to try and solve the power crisis through rental power projects. This policy was a byword for corruption from day one, with Pakistanis being treated to the incongruous sight of one federal minister (Faisal Saleh Hayat) repeatedly and publicly accusing a fellow member of the cabinet (Raja Pervaiz Ashraf) of being a crook. Subsequently, the Supreme Court got into the act and shot down the policy in a scathing decision, which called — amongst other things — for the criminal prosecution of Raja Pervaiz Ashraf and his placement on the Exit Control List.
Leaving aside issues of criminality, Raja Sahib’s embrace of the rental power policy raised fundamental issues of competence. Pakistan already has sufficient installed capacity to meet its demands. What Pakistan does not have is the ability to pay for the electricity being generated because, on average, we sell electricity for less than the average cost of producing and distributing it. In these circumstances, signing short-term contracts to buy even more expensive electricity was hardly a smart move.
Given these facts, one thing is clear. I’m not sure what political considerations President Asif Ali Zardari took into account before he finalised the name of Raja Pervaiz Ashraf. But clearly, giving a damn about what non-jiyalas might think was not one of them.
At the same time, let me make one thing absolutely clear. I do not like the PPP. I really, really, really wish that Pakistan was not held hostage by their stupidities. But I do not want anybody other than the people of Pakistan to throw them out.
It has become fashionable for us to bemoan our lack of leaders. If anything, we have the opposite problem; i.e., a surfeit of would-be messiahs. In Pakistan, every person who clambers to the top of a particular heap immediately assumes that he is the institution, not just the incumbent. What I would like to see instead, just once, is some degree of humility; so that criticism of the PPP does not become an attack on democracy; and so that queries regarding Arsalan Iftikhar are not treated as the equivalent of an armed assault on the Supreme Court. All of us, our leaders included, are subordinate to the Constitution and the values enshrined in it. It would be good if our leaders could remember that.
In his book, The Decisive Moment, Jonah Lehrer talks about how the ability to learn from our mistakes is, quite literally, the basis of our human intelligence. He illustrates this point by referring to two different computers. In 1997, IBM built a computer called “Deep Blue”, which became the first machine to ever defeat the reigning chess champion of the world. Deep Blue operated through brute force, analysing more than 200 million possible moves per second. And while it won against Garry Kasparov, the battle between man and machine was close.
The software wizards who came up with TD Gammon, a backgammon programme, adopted a completely different approach. Unlike Deep Blue, their programme started off with essentially zero knowledge. At the same time, unlike Deep Blue, TD Gammon also has the ability to learn from its mistakes. The programme was set up to play against itself and after a few hundred thousand games, it had learnt so much that it was able to consistently beat the best humans in the world.
In terms of Pakistan’s political options, the Deep Blue approach is analogous to the benefits of a technocratic government: take the best people with the most knowledge and throw them at a particular problem. The TD Gammon approach, by contrast, represents the promise of democracy. It starts off incompetent and unskilled. But because it has the ability to learn from its mistakes, it eventually reaches a standard of excellence unattainable by pure technocrats.
My point here is simple: democracy is a process. If you do not let that process operate, it will never be able to fix itself. Instead, all that we will be left with is the endless iteration of the cycle in which we have already wasted 65 years.
Let me be clearer still. I have the highest respect for the superior judiciary but I did not vote for them. I did vote for this execrable government and while I may now regret that vote, the fact remains that Raja Pervaiz Ashraf was voted in by my elected representatives. I do not want him thrown out by somebody I didn’t vote for.
I doubt if any of the people plotting in the shadows give a damn about what I think. Nonetheless, since I am on record as noting that the people of Pakistan are running out of patience, let me make my position clear. Don’t do it, your Lordships. Not in my name.
Published In The Express Tribune, June 26th, 2012.
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@Lala Gee: And sad you are so ignorant that neither you can read the constitution of your country nor would you like some one to make you understand the simple things. Judges do know but motivated.
The judiciary gave birth to the infamous doctrine of necessity in the past and this did not help the nascent democracy to grow. Successive military dictators took advantage of that, overthrew elected governments and destroyed political institutions. The hope is that the judiciary’s action will not precipitate a crisis that will put the democratic process again in jeopardy. At a time when long-term dictators in the Middle East have acceded to the people’s choice, the process cannot be impossible to reverse in Pakistan. The people of Pakistan deserve democracy and nothing short of democracy will keep them resolved to meet the challenges, be it from the superpower or from across the border.
@Javaid:
"Democracy does not weed itself. A lawn covered in weeds does not become lush grass unassisted. The weeds spawn more weeds." . The grasp of cause and effect is lacking in the society, as you are pointing out, thus the insistence on completing the "term" etc. The present regime would not get into Guinness Record Book for that but definitely for something else.
But the CJ is not arbitrarily governing and dismissing PMs. The PMs are refusing to comply with a court order to simply send a letter to investigate into corrupt bank accounts of our President (not directly elected, I might add). So, the CJ is acting purusant to the RULE OF LAW. As a lawyer of the Supreme Court I am shocked at your article. Democracy does not weed itself. A lawn covered in weeds does not become lush grass unassisted. The weeds spawn more weeds.
@jalib
Your conclusion that democracy can work only in highly educated societies is factually flawed. In fact this is the other way round. Population can not be educated unless there is true democracy. India had only 12% literacy in 1947, but after a fairly long democracy, it has 70% literacy rate. By 2030, literacy rate of India will be above 90%. I am sure democracy can work fairly well in Pakistan too, if allowed to mature itself.
@Aneela: Thanks for your comments. I agree 100%. Please keep it up!
Dear Faisal, the democracy grooms in every country in its unique way. The assumption that our democracy will fix itself in a desirable way is very much erroneous. It has the capacity of fixing itself in the favour, and for the convenience, of a very small group of thugs, but not in favour of the masses. You are a well-educated (western-educated indeed), urbanite who knows nothing about how this democratic process fixes itself in the majority of rural Pakistan. Rural constituencies are small fiefdoms in Pakistan. In west democracies fixed themselves through a process that was genuine, supported with social change, education, industrialisation, intellectual exertions, scientific approach, reason etc., here we have not an iota of all the components aforementioned. Devoid of all the components that steered western democracies, we can not change our fate by just copying the formalities of democracy like election commission, elections, parliament etc. I, too, did not like the removal of the P.M. by the court, as it should have been avoided, but the PPP asked for it, The court delayed the matter for more than 3 years, gave the government and the PM several chances to mend their way, but all in vain. Should the Supreme Court have let its decisions unimplemented? Dismissal of an elected PM by SC is a dangerous precedent for the future. But making a verdict of the apex court inoperative, unimplemented is also a dangerous precedent. Your comments will be welcomed cordially.
Wow! what level of discussion here. How do we know that letting the corrupt increase their corruption without accountability would lead to greater order and betterment eventually? Is there some universal law of nature that leaving disorder on its own leads to eventual prosperity? Where do we come up with screwed up logical falacies? How about the alternative scenario: letting a corrupt party perpetuate themselves leads to further anarchy throughout the nation. What if couple of decades of this and there is real famine throughout Pakistan? Why the fact that things will get better on their own a plausible argument but the opposite is not? Or is it just another trick from the endless Jiyala repertoire of trickeries?
@afzaalkhan: Those who are trigger happy today to throw out selected others should first show respect and follow juducial norms and procedures themselves. What is happening today seems a few steps beyond what happened in Zia's time!
I knew my vote means nothing as the deep state would always go against my vote and it was always true. However, I have always respected the choice of electorate. Any party which comes into power after elections especially under a neutral EC, deserves the respect and confidence the people gave it. No mullah, paid govt servant generals or SC judge have any right to undo the election results. That is the reason head of the state in democratic countries are granted immunity from prosecution under the constitution. This is only to avoid the avalanche of cases manufactured against them to stop from governance. This is what has been happening in Pakistan under the PCO SC. How can paid govt servants have all the right and powers and people’s choice none? If Pakistan has to make any progress in future the undemocratic interference must stop like yesterday, enough is enough! Thank God B. Desh is moving ahead under democracy in half the time, now we are only at par with Nepal in S. Asia.
@jalib
So the gist of your argument against Faisal is that 'because our population is uneducated, true democracy cannot be established in our country.' Now, democracy means that representatives shall be elected through a vote without any discrimination of race, ethnicity, or social status. The 'true democracy' that you are advocating would not be a democracy because it wouldn't give equal rights to all its citizens.
It can be inferred from your argument that what you wanted to say is that the 'uneducated masses' will always elect buffoons and will never learn from mistakes. Now, a look through history will tell us that (specific examples like the Western world in late nineteenth and early twentieth century) that nations always learn from their mistakes and progressively get better at it even if uneducated. Empirical evidence throughout history hasn't even once shown a negative trend of progress in social indicators under democracies.
The class politics dictates that whenever a specific group is given the responsibility of the society with the best intentions, the group becomes a class in itself and will look after its own interest instead of the society on the whole. In this case, the 'educated class' will start looking after its own interests and the gap b/w haves and have nots will widen.
Excellent article Mr Naqvi. I do however believe that most people have missed the point of your Deep Blue/TD Gammon analogy. I consider one of the greatest weaknesses of our society to be the complete inability to accept and acknowledge our mistakes. Fact is that this is the step that must precede any potential lesson that can be learned from any mistake. Our culture however is one in which admitting a mistake is virtually unthinkable at any level of society. As a result we tread down the same path again and again and continue to be amazed every time we fail. I marvel at the sheer blindness of the people who in spite of all available evidence simply fail to take into account that they may be wrong. In fact acknowledging a mistake is considered such a cardinal sin that the moment a damaging truth been revealed about a person or organization, one will immediately find comments on the mass and social media to the effect that such a truth should not have been made public because it "damages the __" (insert "parliament", "judiciary", "islam" etc). Anyhow TD Gammon was designed to learn from its mistakes. Pakistan will only succeed as a nation if it learns to do the same. However as long as revelation of a sin is considered a worse act than the sin itself, this will certainly not happen.
@FutureofPak: And you cannot achieve above 85% literacy if you cannot fix over population .. Education and population control are intertwined. Unless we start working on these two will can forget about fixing any other problem.
Dear Blogger,
I DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO LET DEMOCRACY FIX ITSELF! Thank you and have a nice day
Good points everyone. But the Indian Nationalists were having these discussions more than a 100 years ago. We have a lot of catching up to do !
There is no doubt that most people in the developing countries are living in poor conditions. Their rulers, of different hues, are simply driven by crude power struggle. The advanced countries exploit the situation in these countries and the power struggle gets intensified and complicated. People are fed on empty slogans. They neither share the bread nor the political power. The lessons of our political life are numerous. Our people, through centuries of domination and impoverishment, could not soundly develop politically. They are easily led astray and are repeatedly deprived of their chances of political participation and self-reliance. They often run and help their own enemies, who camouflaged as friends, repeatedly deceive in the name of freedom and prosperity. Unless people get sound political education through a continuous political process, the chances of understanding and political maturity are slim. Therefore those who are soundly humane must contribute their bit to the foundation, development and organization of sound, democratic political institutions and democratic parties. And, an atmosphere conducive to freedom of expression and the formation of mutually complementary, yet independent organs of state to maintain genuine rule of law; must be fostered. My learned friends enlightened people are the real power and the soundness of all institutions of a society and state depend upon the maturity and confidence of the people. Determined, devoted and skilful humanists are needed to create the awareness, the consciousness and the movement for the liberating process. Fear is the key of the ruling circles. Knowledgeable courage is the answer to overcome it. Nonetheless, humankind having a date with destiny never falters.
@gp65: Very well said.
@Parvez:
"The basic flaw and it is a very big flaw is that you presume that we are operating under a democratic dispensation." . I wish at least the so-called well educated can appreciate this concept which @Parvez and many others have been stressing ad infinitum. What we have is mostly bands or cliques of friends/families which have bunched together to hijack the balloting system for sneaking into the parliament. We are completely deceiving ourselves by pretending that democracy has something to do with these tolis. . Every single Athenian must be turning in his grave.
i think, in pakistan democracy will never ever flourish. pakistan was not made for common person, but was made for landlords, wealthy muslim elites to protect their power-structures within the province and they see little reason to extend their interests to the national level.
Agreed! Try to bring change with your vote as it is your right and collectively shows the power. With the media progression this time people has learnt a lot, try some other now, if they fail try some other and this way those who demand our votes realize the power of people and gradually the corrupt people will be out of the system and we will have a long lasting refined democratic system. But at the same time we have to be patient through the whole transitionary period. Those who think democracy won't work out for Pakistan need to study the political science critically. Democracy has no match with other systems as it gives freedom to express to the masses. Additionally it is successfully tested model in the world. Last but not the least, the composition of Pakistani people is very diverse in nature. Their roots, culture even languages differ substantially; they are further divided into different sects as well. In these circumstances, only democracy will deliver such that people from every walk of life have freedom to express their choices provided no institution either judiciary or establishment or any other patronize to be the public representative. There should be civilians’ supremacy.
Simply superb
you have to be patient with ur kid while he is learning driving or cycling , democracy is an evolutionary process u cannot skip time and steps in it mere experience and learning from mistakes would lead to success let the process continue my lord.
The fact that you voted for this government.... and did not see this coming casts serious doubts on your judgement. I wouldnt be so worried if you'd said you predicted things would get much worse before they got better. I'd disagree with you, but there would be a little voice in my head saying maybe this highly educated hot-shot lawyer is right. I saw this coming... I'm sure most of us did... it was people like you who kept saying it would all be alright. If youve been so wrong so far...
but how can you expect democracy to function without accountability, without a system of checks and balances, and without any public debate? the point we all generally forget when we speak about democracy is that it is not a one dimensional notion restricted only to elections and that once elected you have the license to loot. the elected representatives should be answerable to those who voted for them, but, they should also answerable to the courts if they are guilty of violating any laws or court orders. court on the other hand should also be sensitive to the freedom of the elected representatives, however, not at the expense of compromising on any laws. there is no democracy if there is no accountability, and there is no accountability if there is no rule of law, and without the rule of law, one way or the other there is no difference between democracy or dictatorship.
Democracy is like a child trying to walk. He falls and tries again. If you do not let him walk, he will never bee able to learn. Leave it alone and it will improve. But a worse democracy is better than a 'good' dictatorship. Those who love strong hand, should see how Assaad is treating his people in Syria. Who wants that sort of strong man? I don't
@gp65:
"– the direction to write the letter was against the constitution – the decision to ignore speakr’s mandate was against the constitution – the decision to dismiss the Prime Minister who claerly HAD not lost the vote of confidence (the process mandated to kick out Prime Minister before his term in the COnstitution), hence dismissing him was also against the constitution."
And the Constitution of Pakistan entrusted you, and not the Supreme Court of Pakistan, to decide what is constitutional and what is not. Wow! A typical "Indian Mentality Syndrome".
Very well said Feisal. We the 'unashamedly & honestly PPP voters & supporters' also feel perturbed by apparent incompetence of the government in certain areas, but competence is not a result of honesty as seen & certified by the judiciary. It is result of sustained efforts of incumbents qualified & entrusted to do a job in which they are allowed to learn from their mistakes. The deep-state it seems has said good bye to martial law when they saw that the 'Partial Law' of PCO-SC can do the same harm with less use of brutal force and far more convenience! We were hoping that PPP would sit in opposition after next election so that it comes back strong & prepared; but it seems CJ's flagrant Partial Law will irritate people so much that they will vote for PPP in protest of that partiality and Raja sahib may be here to stay for longer than anyone inside or outside the PPP may have envisaged!
Sir,
You are propagating dangerous thoughts. You are trying to tell the people come that they are not only useful for casting 98% in favour votes in numerous referendum but have the power to vote out Governments. Once they learn this who will dial 111 for rescue? And who will PCOs validate? This is as unPakistani as it can get.
Civilian supremacy and strong democratic institutions are the only things that can brighten up Pakistan's future. Army rule - directly or through proxy - is another name for collective suicide
These " Lordships " are become " Hardships " for the democracy in Pakistan. Ambitions, revenge and anger are playing a role in delivering the " selective justice " in a hasty manner. So sad that Apex Court is acting as Petitioner, Judge and Executioner by itself, exploiting the divide in the political class.
The people of Pakistan will have to decide how they are governed and that is the only way we will come out of the dark ages. That means, all ills have to be addressed vigorously in tandem. You can't fight feudalism and serfdom without investing blood, sweat and hard-work into painstakingly building the education system brick by brick. You can't tackle the education system (or lack there of) without legally implementing major land reforms in feudal controlled lands. You can't implement major land reforms without establishing a coherent blueprint of who the land will be allocated to and how feasible will the breakdown be. All of it has to be done and it has to be done fast. Most importantly it has to be done in parallel. Based on these sustained, constructive and painstakingly tedious and absolutely imperative steps towards systemic reform, I believe the author may be trying to say that democracy as we know of it philosophically can be the only real way to a progressive future for everyone in our country because that is the only way that every single person in Pakistan will eventually be empowered enough to be a rightful citizen of their own country, a country they long to believe in.
What good is democracy if it starts feeding on those it ought to serve by definition?
Please do it your Lordships, do it in my name. And in the names of thousands who have lost limbs, livelihoods and lives trying to keep this white elephant called democracy alive.
this is not democracy.... Its more of a democratic monarchy...
@Jalib: We were not happy with ZAB and got Gen Zia. We were not happy with BB and killed her and got Zardari. We were not happy with Gillani and got Raja, do you see a trend? I am not sure it is a positive trend. A person is not convicted till the final appeals are exhausted. In addition a member of NA has to be convicted for 2 years or more in jail to be not eligible. If you go by simple conviction no politician from BB, Begum Bhutto, all the top leadership of PPP, ANP, Sharif brothers, and many MQM and other leaders have been actually been in jail for years on charges of high jacking to rebellion (Jawed Hashmi). Yet our PCO SC is protecting those who had attacked the SC while in session. Regards, Mirza
When you plant a sampling(Democratic process) YOU NURSE IT by putting barrier around it,watering,protecting from stray animals.You don't expect it to fruit immidiately.We must thank Zardari who nursed it from so many trouble and finishing term will be a singular achievement that will allow this sapling to gradually develop deep root.Right wing media,US,overactive judiciary and right wing Imraan Khan,not to mention the Jack Boots.Zardari in retrospect was right in resisting restoration of superior judiciary.What you need is strong democratic convention.rest everuthing can wait.A kushhaal pakistaan has become a badhaal not by Zardari but frequent interruption of democratic process.I AM the one who will Elect and Dismiss a government,not army,not aghaulam ishak khan,not ISI,Not Judiciary and certainly not ARMY! Remember a300 years old democracy elected Bush twice!Pakistan is better placed.But not in my name as well,no one should dare to take my right to elect or replace!
Thanks for a hard hitting Op Ed against the weaknesses of PPP. Let me make it clear I have never voted in any Pakistani elections but I would do it next time. I knew my vote means nothing as the deep state would always go against my vote and it was always true. However, I have always respected the choice of electorate. Any party which comes into power after elections especially under a neutral EC, deserves the respect and confidence the people gave it. No mullah, paid govt servant generals or SC judge have any right to undo the election results. That is the reason head of the state in democratic countries are granted immunity from prosecution under the constitution. This is only to avoid the avalanche of cases manufactured against them to stop from governance. This is what has been happening in Pakistan under the PCO SC. How can paid govt servants have all the right and powers and people's choice none? If Pakistan has to make any progress in future the undemocratic interference must stop like yesterday, enough is enough! Thank God B. Desh is moving ahead under democracy in half the time, now we are only at par with Nepal in S. Asia.
@Ordinary Villager: You wrote "But are you sure with this Democracy which is more like Autocracy Pakistan will exist for the next five years or else it will become a Past and lesson for others??"
A great question, I must say. Pakistan did not exist without democracy and split under more than a decade of continuous army rule. The rest of Pakistan is again unstable after a long rule of two dictators. While the Eastern part is moving ahead and making progress under a finally maturing democracy! What could be a more clear demonstration and apple to apple comparison? To the PCO judges, not in my name either! Regards, Mirza
Your suggestion is analogous to an hospital without emergency where the only way in and out is outdoor.
@afzaalkhan: "I submit you should ask ur elected representatives to obey the law and they won’t be thrown out."
Well since law is what we are concerned about - the direction to write the letter was against the constitution - the decision to ignore speakr's mandate was against the constitution - the decision to dismiss the Prime Minister who claerly HAD not lost the vote of confidence (the process mandated to kick out Prime Minister before his term in the COnstitution), hence dismissing him was also against the constitution.
Not following CJ's orders is NOT the same thing as not following the law,
@afzaalkhan: And nearly 70% of these representative come go power through captured constituencies where people are carted in to vote for a given person from a given family of landlords/waderas and they does so obediently because they do not have any way to do otherwise. How else do you explain generation after generation from same families getting into power? Yousaf Raza Gilani's two sons are already in power and now his daughter and the son are being named to succeed him. Look at the structure of Peoples party which at the top level is nothing but a bunch of powerful feudals who really hold the rest by their necks and control the rest directly or indirectly. To call it democracy is really an insult. At this rate of change it will be centuries before any thing will change if ever. It is really sad to see people who should know better standing up to safeguard these feudals and what they are doing to Pakistan.
excellent analysis
Democracy is a process but it requires people who have capability to govern. What have we achieved in last 6 elections? Not a single 'stone' has moved. We first need to change the system, somehow get rid of these thugs, feudals and corrupts. Otherwise, democracy will remain the revenge that generations will keep on taking.
Mr. Naqvi,
While I respect your opinion, and it is clear you are a rather smart individual with a stellar pedigree, I am completely shocked by some of the things you say. As Dick Armitage would say I "400%" agree that democracy should be allowed to continue its cycle w/o extra-constitutional measures. However, my question to you is this: How is heaven's name can a gentleman essentially convicted by the courts for his corruption be allowed to become Prime Minister. How can anybody who has violated the basic precepts of his oath of office be allowed to go unpunished and in fact rewarded by being made Prime Minister?
This in fact leads me to my second point is the point about laws and the constitution. Many (highly) intelligent citizens of the country I currently inhabit (the United States) are extremely unhappy with the functioning of the constitution and many of the laws stemming from it. However, they are aware that democracy in their increasingly polarized society there may never be an amendment to the constitution. In Pakistan, when laws and the constitution have been framed in a less than perfect manner, if they people do not vociferously clamor for change and support measure by the courts (that are actually strictly legally speaking within the ambit of the constitution) there will never be change.
Of course when I say "people" I inevitably mean generally educated(ish) people in urban or quasi-urban areas. And this brings me to my last argument which contradicts your computers analogy (which with all due respect was fairly dubious); when most of our country is deeply uneducated and living under essential serfdom (in one form or another) how can true democracy ever take root?!
With all due respect Mr. Naqvi, I am deeply disappointed by the analysis of a gentleman of your wit and intelligence. Time an again you seem to take an un-nuanced and fairly (if not entirely) black & white view on issues, and if a country's intelligentsia does that it leaves lesser intellectual people like myself without much hope.
Your Lordship, not in my name either :). Nice article. Excellent approach!
should you have asked those you voted for to obey the law in your name it might help democracy better.
The basic flaw and it is a very big flaw is that you presume that we are operating under a democratic dispensation.
If Pakistan has to survive than the only way is democratic way! Military would & have destroyed this country by giving extremism, religious intolerance, fascism, etc. Generals are just bad news for Pakistan therefore just stick to democracy.
But are you sure with this Democracy which is more like Autocracy Pakistan will exist for the next five years or else it will become a Past and lesson for others??
Yes! Democracy is a process with responsibilities on the shoulders of each and every member of the society. It functions if allowed to do so, but if it is a war of personalities, or party vendettas, then I have some reservation about its survival in Pakistan.
Your lordships, not in my name either.
Well said. Yes "democracy is a process. If you do not let that process operate, it will never be able to fix itself". This is actually our main problem because we as a nation do not have that capacity of patience and tolerance that is required in order to allow democracy to work. Secondly we dont have any faith in institutions and instead we are addicted to Messiah Worshipping where we expect an individual to come and change things overnight for us. Currently we are doing the same with Imran Khan and Judiciary chairing the messiah.