4 US officials briefly detained in Peshawar for illegally carrying weapons

Published: June 4, 2012
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Two US Consulate vehicles found carrying huge cache of arms without obtaining NOC.

Two US Consulate vehicles found carrying huge cache of arms without obtaining NOC.

PESHAWAR: Law enforcement agencies in Peshawar intercepted two US Consulate vehicles on the Motorway and recovered small arms in large quantity. The Four US diplomats, their three Pakistani drivers and staffers detained, were later released.

Talking to The Express Tribune, SHO Chamkani Haji Inayatull said that they had intercepted two bullet proof vehicles belonging to the US Consulate in Peshawar. They found four pistols with 29 magazines, four sub-machine guns with 36 magazines and four other magazines of ammunition.

“Four US diplomats identified as Vincent Capodicci (passport number 910153561), Admin Technical Staff Timothy Daniel (910159397), Vice Consul Stacy Leon Carter (910179341), Daryl Lee Groom (910179341), security in-charge Manzoor, driver Ihsan Khan and driver Asif Khan were travelling in two vehicles QJ-679 and ST-476,” he said, adding that the group was returning from Malakand, where they had met several people including Vice Chancellor Malakand University Dr Rasool Jan.

“They told us they had gone to Malakand, and were coming back to Peshawar when they were held,” explained the SHO. He added that as per the law any foreigner visiting any area in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and the adjacent tribal belt was required to get a No Objection Certificate (NOC) from the ministry of interior but the US diplomats had violated the law and had visited Malakand without permission.

US Consul General in Peshawar Marie Richards reached the spot and after negotiating the matter, managed to secure the release of her staff after an hour long talk. But not before the police registered an FIR against the three Pakistani employees of the Consulate under 13 Arms Ordinance (AO). She later accompanied the diplomats to the nearby Chamkani.

SP Shafiullah Khan told The Express Tribune that they had checked the documents of the US diplomats and with the exception of carrying illegal weapons by the Pakistani employees of the consulate; all the documents were found valid.

“We have registered an FIR against the three local employees Ihsan, Asif and Manzoor for carrying illegal weapons under section 13 AO and the rest of the four diplomats have been released and their vehicles have been returned to them,” he added.

Police said that the foreigners could prove to be a good target for militants or even criminals and that was why they should have obtained proper NOC and informed the local police about their visit. They said that the arms with the diplomats were also illegal and they suspected that the vehicles too had fake number plates.

Earlier on May 31, the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa government, through its Home and Tribal Affairs Department, had issued a notification listing a rule change regarding travel by foreign diplomats to the tribal areas. The notification had asked foreign missions and diplomats to not use vehicles having rear-gun parts or the vehicles would be re-exported.

The notification was followed by another from the same department on May 31 asking foreign missions and diplomats to not carry weapons without government authorisation.

“The foreign mission and diplomats are not supposed to carry weapons and if found carrying weapons without prior information to the foreign office, the weapons would be confiscated,” the notification had stated.

The notification further stated that any member of foreign mission found traveling to the prohibited areas without the requisite NOC, may be asked to turn back respectfully.

 

 

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Reader Comments (44)

  • Sky
    Jun 4, 2012 - 7:25PM

    US Consul General Mary Richard also reached the site and said that the weapons can be seized but the foreigners should not be taken into custody.

    How convenient ….

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  • Blithe
    Jun 4, 2012 - 7:30PM

    At least KPK government will get some sexy weapons…

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  • Adeel759
    Jun 4, 2012 - 7:32PM

    @Sky. That is because Pakistan has become, ” Commit Crime, Pay and Go” country. Laws have taken back seat if there is one…..

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  • Strange
    Jun 4, 2012 - 7:37PM

    So, if six Pakistanis affiliated with the Pakistani consulate were stopped in an American city, will they also have their weapons taken but not detained? Will they receive diplomatic immunity or will they be arrested and tried?

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  • Jerry
    Jun 4, 2012 - 7:37PM

    so who are these guys then? Blackwater? CIA? nah they can’t be, these are just made up Zaid Hamid conspiracy theories. They must have been innocent tourists.

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  • roadkashehzada
    Jun 4, 2012 - 7:50PM

    come on, whts the point?? futile exercise.Recommend

  • kanwalnwal
    Jun 4, 2012 - 7:58PM

    But why detain them? Its their country. Its us, the common folk, who are the second class citizens.

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  • gp65
    Jun 4, 2012 - 8:09PM

    “he government of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa issued new instructions to the provincial administration last week where it listed a change in rules for diplomatic heads of mission and the consular staff.

    Has anyone considered the possibility that these people may not have been aware of new rules that were issued just last week by the province. Perhaps consular staff were not notified of these rules?

    Also to people who are talking about Blackwater etc. please note what they had automatic rifles and pistols. Are you telling me that 90% of cars in Karachi or KP will not have such weapons?

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  • Naeem Khan Manhattan,Ks
    Jun 4, 2012 - 8:13PM

    There is no doubt in my mind that if any foreigner regardless of their diplomatic status carry weapons and get stopped anywhere in the USA , diplomatic core may get slap at their wrest but others will be sent to jail and prosecuted. Mary Richard should study local laws and should not give stupid statements.These people should be prosecuted according to the local laws and make an example for others to follow.Americans have no respect for Pakistanis or it’s laws because they know that they could get away with it while Zardari and company is ruling the country.Time is coming that Americans will find themselves out of Pakistan with their bag and baggage like they did in Iran if they push too hard.Mary Richard read the writings on the wall.

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  • I is the Exit
    Jun 4, 2012 - 8:42PM

    @Sky:
    How dare you criticize ?
    They are the embodiment of Liberty, equality, justice and the truth. It was Pakistanis that were at fault for stopping them. The US does not break laws, send spies as tourists etc . Only Chinese, Middle Easters and certain others do that.

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  • Ansari
    Jun 4, 2012 - 9:06PM

    Even if they are detained, they won’t be prosecuted as per law. After all, they have immunity to do whateva they want. NFP, Did you read this news?

    @ Liberal extremists .. Please wake up from Western dreams.

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  • Ali
    Jun 4, 2012 - 9:24PM

    Take weapons away from locals as well so that the foreigners don’t have to carry weapons.

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  • Ali
    Jun 4, 2012 - 9:26PM

    How can you detain an american? It is not fair.

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  • Sourmash
    Jun 4, 2012 - 10:19PM

    Sorry guys, especially you, Naeem from Manhattan Kansas. You obviously know nothing about US gun laws. ANYONE can buy a gun in the US, even if you are on the terrorist watch list. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/28/fbi-247-people-terro-watch-list-bought-guns-2010/ And note that is from FOXNEWS. Please don’t insult Americans by saying that there is any sanity or reason to US gun laws. Go to the US, go buy a gun, heck, go buy 100 guns and NO ONE WILL STOP YOU!! It’s the law, and we have lots of idiots dedicated to guaranteeing your right to buy them. Even this guy understands: http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/watch-nra-heads-explode-al-qaeda-spo MANY MANY illegal aliens are found with guns and NOTHING happens. You show your ignorance.

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  • Discostu
    Jun 4, 2012 - 10:34PM

    @Adeel759:
    Just to be clear. Raymond Davis was freed because of OUR laws. He paid blood money. So everything was done by the book. The family of the victim forgave him by taking the money. So who are you / we to hold a grudge. That’s un-Islamic.

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  • SHAHID
    Jun 4, 2012 - 10:49PM

    @Sourmash:
    Just to bring most of our reader friends up to speed with the Constitution of USA, Second amendment / Bill of Rights gives every citizen the ‘right to bear arms’, either as a display or as a concealed weapon to defend one self. Illegal aliens are illegal so carrying weapons is also illegal by these illegal aliens. As a citizen of USA you have this right to bear arms as singular and multiple arms as militia. Diplomats having diplomatic immunity cannot be arrested or prosecuted. Not all diplomats have this status. Civilians or contract employees of diplomatic missions do not have this immunity and can be prosecuted under local law, should they violate of commit offence or crime. No reason to let these 3 american let loose if they do not have or prove they have diplomatic immunity. They broke local laws and must be prosecuted to fullest extent of the law.

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  • Batman
    Jun 4, 2012 - 11:10PM

    @gp65, no, 90% of cars in KP or Karachi don’t carry illegal weapons.Recommend

  • Silly Paki
    Jun 4, 2012 - 11:22PM

    And wt was this weapon for? may be that was the part of US AID to KPK

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  • Drake
    Jun 4, 2012 - 11:30PM

    Major props to Pakistan gov for finally taking a stand on international weapons smuggling

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  • Batman
    Jun 4, 2012 - 11:36PM

    ET should have published my full comment.

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  • Adeel759
    Jun 4, 2012 - 11:37PM

    @Discostu. I agree with you, i was talking abt regular daily life how it happens in Pak, Roy Davis thing was absolutely by the book and according to Sharia.
    @Sourmash. You are 100% right, he just doesn’t know….

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  • Shahwali Khan
    Jun 5, 2012 - 12:07AM

    These were the surplus weapons which were being brought back, after supplying the same to Radio Mullah people in Swat.

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  • Nizam
    Jun 5, 2012 - 12:08AM

    Wonderful to see that our law enforcement worry about diplomats protecting themselves instead of going after PNS Mehran attack masterminds or countless others who killed Pakistanis.

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  • Cautious
    Jun 5, 2012 - 12:19AM

    Police said that the foreigners could
    prove to be a good target for
    militants or even criminals and that
    was why they should have obtained
    proper NOC and informed the local
    police about their visit.

    I suspect the American’s would say that providing such information to local police only places them at higher risk — your police force is arguably one of the most corrupt on the planet.

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  • Swati
    Jun 5, 2012 - 12:30AM

    @Batman:
    gp65 is an Indian. Apparently, there is not much going on in India so he spends half of his day on Pakistani newspapers.

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  • Cautious
    Jun 5, 2012 - 12:34AM

    So six people having 4 pistols and 4 automatic rifles is considered a huge cache of weapons in Pakistan? It’s likely that every American diplomatic vehicle carries a similar compliment of weapons and ammo for protection — it’s not the American’s fault that Pakistan is considered one the most dangerous places on the planet.

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  • Mawali
    Jun 5, 2012 - 12:47AM

    See this is simply irresponsible not to mention pathetic on part of the US. Duplicitous, policies leading to the mayhem they have been party to.

    Which clause of the diplomatic immunity allows for carrying weapons? Pakistan, after seizing the weapons should throw these bums out. Troublemakers!

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  • DB
    Jun 5, 2012 - 12:55AM

    Do not be surprised of Pakistan faces another ‘humiliation’ soon as CIA/JSOC networks are only expanding. Security agencies have their hands tied behind their backs with respect to both foreign agents (through strong liberal elite lobbying) and local terrorists (strong mullah lobbying).

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  • Ahmed HM
    Jun 5, 2012 - 1:06AM

    I think I should start focussing on what Zaid hamid has been shouting for a long time now.

    A Punjabi cannot go to some parts of Baluchistan, target killing is happening in Karachi on a daily basis but these Americans go anywhere freely. Do we have any tourist spots in Malakand?Recommend

  • Ahmed HM
    Jun 5, 2012 - 1:10AM

    @Nizam:
    PNS Mehran case has nothing to do here.Recommend

  • gp65
    Jun 5, 2012 - 1:20AM

    @Batman:

    “P Shafiullah Khan told The Express Tribune that they had checked the documents of the US diplomats and with the exception of carrying illegal weapons by the Pakistani employees of the consulate; all the documents were found valid.”

    Please note : It is the Pakistani employees that had the illegal weapons. The weopons that the Americans had were legal. All other documents were valid. So if the US consular person tried to free the Americans – who were neither carrying illegal arms nor had invalid documents, there is no reason for people to be bent out of shape.

    Apparently the thing that they did that was illegal is that they went to Malakand and met the Vice Chancellor Malakand University without permission. The point is were they notified hat they needed such permission? TOmorrow if Sherry Rehman goes to Boston and meets the Dean of Harvard would she be arrested for that?

    So given that the weapons the Americans were carrying were legal – do you still make the case that people in KP and Karachi do not carry legal weapons?

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  • Mj
    Jun 5, 2012 - 1:38AM

    @Jerry:
    Oh silly you, a total of 12 weapons is not a huge cache of arms.

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  • Its (still) Econonmy Stupid
    Jun 5, 2012 - 1:41AM

    Publishing passport numbers can lead to identity theft. These weapons are part of alternate supply route to Nato blockade.

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  • Wonderful
    Jun 5, 2012 - 1:48AM

    @kanwalnwal:
    Its not second class citizens but non state actors.

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  • Naeem Khan Manhattan,Ks
    Jun 5, 2012 - 2:17AM

    @ Sourmash, yes you can buy guns illegally all day long and thats why the criminals have it but when buy legally, you will have go through FBI checks and have to wait at least 24hours before the gun dealer could sell you one legally, this is the law that we all abide by it. By the way foreign nationals can’t buy guns legally, you will have to have at least “green card’, legal immigration status to be eligible for buy any gun. I don’t know where are you coming from but try to buy one legally like the rest of us law abiding citizens.

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  • Blithe
    Jun 5, 2012 - 3:22AM

    I challenge this PPP government to declare them
    ‘persona non grata’…

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  • Khan
    Jun 5, 2012 - 5:36AM

    @gp65:

    Are you telling me that 90% of cars in Karachi or KP will not have such weapons?

    I’m not sure about Karachi but in KP no one carries any weapons any more not even in the villages. In FATA yes they do but not in settled areas.

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  • Khan
    Jun 5, 2012 - 5:42AM

    @Strange:
    To answer you question, Please don’t forget security situation in Pakistan where even a governor of a relatively peaceful province isn’t spared. Its not that these diplomats were always carrying guns but its due to the current situation in our own country.

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  • Thoughtful
    Jun 5, 2012 - 5:53AM

    4 people with 8 guns is hardly a huge cacheRecommend

  • Faesal
    Jun 5, 2012 - 6:18AM

    More Raymond Davis like diplomats eh?

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  • M. A. Changezi
    Jun 5, 2012 - 6:39AM

    @Cautious:

    Not worse than yours buddy.

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  • Maqbool
    Jun 5, 2012 - 6:52AM

    They clearly violated the law, only taliban are allowed to carry weapons and have a permanent NOC granted.

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  • yousaf hyat
    Jun 5, 2012 - 8:23AM

    The diplomatic cars should never have been stopped….

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  • Faesal
    Jun 5, 2012 - 9:07AM

    @Mj:
    yeah 12 weapons with 40+ magazines that too with “diplomats” is no biggie, right?

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