Darul Zikr: Court orders police to take action against Ahmadi worship place
Advocate Badar Alam last month moved an application against members of the Ahmadi community in the Garhi Shahu police station under section 298 B (d) and 298 C of the Pakistan Penal Code (PPC).
The application further asked for the removal of the Kalma from the front of the worship place and for demolishing the minaret and dome as per the Prohibition and Punishment Ordinance of 1984.
However, in its order, the Judge ruled that the concerned SHO was in full knowledge of the building, and that he should take actions as per law in view of contents of application moved by the petitioner.
SHO Garhi Shahu Safdar Sajjad, in the first week of May, preserved the drafting of Kalma by putting up walls of steel over it and refused to demolish minaret and dome. Following this, Alam moved the case to an additional session judge’s court in Lahore where the ruling was issued and the case was closed.
Ahmadi spokesperson Saleemuddin said that they would challenge the ruling in the higher courts, adding that the minaret was built before the introduction of legislations against the community and said that the court’s order was not according to the law.
Darul Zikr, a historical worship place of the community, is located in the Garhi Shahu area of Lahore. According to members of the community, Darul Zikr was built in 1952.
Earlier, the New York-based Human Rights Watch (HRW) issued a fresh reminder to Pakistan’s government to bring the perpetrators of the crime to justice.
Two years ago, Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) forces entered the worship place but failed to demolish or damage the building despite massive human causalities.
On Friday, May 28, 2010, over 88 people were killed in twin gun-and-bomb attacks at Ahmadi places of worship in the Garhi Shahu and Model Town areas in Lahore.
Correction: An earlier version of this article had incorrectly mentioned that the court had ordered the Ahmadi community to demolish the minaret and dome of the worship place. The court has directed the police officer to take action 'as per law in view of contents of application moved by petitioner'.
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@Ayesha:
Dear Sister,
I am deeply impressed by your feelings. Relax and leave it to Allah, for His judgement. These misguided people will surely pay for their inhuman acts against the innocent Ahmadies soon. Inshah Allah.
If some one will study the laws made before partition, then one can understand that to which extent the some of the laws made was not rational & not acceptable in the present world. This the law maker was knowing or has made it on the forcibly under the pressure of some of the extremist of some other countries who supported financially or in other means. Kindly go through the link to understand it fully how due to one or two people or due to some extremist the whole pakistan is in a sever bad condiition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKtOA-F1pTg&feature=youtu.be
that is funny to know how illiterate people are in our country .. they dont even know that how minarets became part of a mosque .. PEOPLE !! in early Byzantine era .. Christians used minarets in their churches .. if u read history of architecture .. u will get to know that Muslims got the concept of minarets from Christians !! if u guys ask us to remove the minaret from our mosque .. then i must say that Christians should demolish all the minarets from the mosques world wide .. as they can claim that Muslims have copied their concept of minaret !!
@Babloo . The fact of the matter is that any sane person or any sane nation in this world would laugh at what Pakistani mullah, judiciary and govt. are doing. They had separated from India just for this. And to the following commentators [@Sindh, Pakistan, @Patriot, @Faysal, @True Muslim Paki and the likemindeds..] ... who really cares about your ruined approach towards Islam.. go ruin yourself further Islam is Far cleaner, peaceful and better away from people like you...
For those who believe that "Might is right" as implemented by the Pakistani Goverment against minorities, with the approval of many of its citizens: Never forget that what you do to the weak will come to haunt you one day when you are in the minority.
We don't have to go far. In India, for example, the Babri Mosque in Ayodhya was destroyed with impunity. Is that the type of justice that Pakistanis want?
In France, they have banned the veil, in Switzerland the minaret etc..
For the Muslims reading this, ask yourself this: Is it ever permissible in Islam to demolish a house of prayer, to erase the Blessed Words of Allah Almighty? The Holy Qur'an Tells you otherwise. And yet the citizens seem to do both with relish. Do you seriously believe that Allah Almighty is Pleased by these actions?
Ahmadies are innocent and brave, who tacle all the misdeeds of so called emperors of Islam.
love for all hatred for none
I just wonder what a dome and a minaar have to do with ISLAM the faith?? There was NO dome and NO minaar in ANY masjid's design/architecture for quite a while I'm sure, after the advent of Islam. Go to Sub-Saharan Africa and you will see MANY MANY masjids with NO dome whatsoever. And I'm sure minaars came into existence to help spread the sound of the Aazaan. Now loudspeakers do the job of spreading the sound.
I've even prayed Friday salaat in a masjid in Cairo, Egypt (just by the Nile-side), with NO dome, NO minaar, NO walls, NO roof/ceiling ... just a floor. MASJID just means a place where 'sajda' is made. Nothing to do with domes and minaars.Regarding the issue of whether the Ahmedis are Muslims or not: well, they DO believe they're Muslims don't they? If they BELIEVE it, they can write parts of Muslim texts on their houses of worship. That's My take.
Well, what our courts r doing thats not justice. what image they have on justice they are not in mood to change that.. All are tailking about justice in media, but what this discrimination means..?? still no justice What Ahmadiyya Spokesman told : it is against the law bxz the Minars are before that law. so it is ourely illegel to Deemolish it. As far as Kalma is Concerned. how u look when u r removing a Kalma??? Can u do that..?? if yes then first look at u Imaan.
Religious bigotry at its best ! We citizens of South-East Asia are cursed to living under the savage misinterpretations of religion. The day we realize that religion is a personal bond between the soul and the Almighty, we'll actually become decent humans.
every moment which is going this nation faces many declines in every step but they never try to find out the original reason. Infact they don't know what is the teaching of Islam and what they have to do with minorities (as per their belief), so this is not a strange decision which has come from court.......everybody know the reality of Pakistan's court so our every case is in the Allah's court and He will decide that what will come from it we believe that every thing which is going on here is in the favour of Ahmadiyyat and final results will be in the favour of jamait inshallah........and they will face very bad result of their actions inshallah.......
IT seems Ahemedis have become untouchables of Pakistan. Drinks manufactured by them are banned. Places of worship - demolished. Way to go!
Lawmakers of Pakistan need to change the laws if the same prohibits the construction of a specific architecture( other than mosque)or permits demolition of existing one having the prohibited design. Such laws give a wrong signal to the world and ultimately degrades the image .
wow a country where one removes the Kalma from a place of worship and orders to remove the prestige of a mosque by desecrating its structure....... what would one say to that except Allah we only seek justice from you alone..... Inshallah its just a matter of time now!!!
@True Muslim Paki: You or no law of the land has the authority to give the verdict on one's faith. Even prophets never claimed this authority and left the decision of faith on God. But people like you consider yourselves to be even more wise than profits and God for sure. Interfering into Allah's affairs have taken this nation to this stage. Keep doing the same and worst awaits you.
allah knows better who is muslim who is not... domes and minarets depends upon ones intention this is a matter of belief authorities may remove it but will not able to remove love for Islam from our hearts..
What a funny nation it is? Hilariously idiotic. As far as the dome is concerned, I think Islam's largest mosque, Faisal Masjid has no domes at all, please correct me if I am wrong, so we should insist that it should be redesigned and domes should be added. Also, Khana Kaaba is the most Holy place on earth and saying a prayer in it compares nothing. But I failed to see any dome or minaret in it. I have also read that When Hazrat Mohammad (SAW) built the Masjid-e-Nabwi for the first time, it lacked them as well. Please tolerate my ignorance in these matters and pray for me. As far as the Judiciary of Pakistan is concerned, I love the game, CJ takes actions against single homicide of urban areas but forgets when it comes to 28th May attacks in Lahore or it comes to Ahmadi or Shia sect. Whenever I see him, Maharaja Ranjeet singh comes in my mind, I don't know why. If someone has understood it, please explain it to me.
Wow, just wow, someone find a large fossil fuel reserve in Pakistan so the US can come and take over and destroy that excuse of a nation. It is so damn ridiculous, these actions the government is taking are not rational at all, it does not benefit a single individual out there, a country run by retarded politicians/powers born from incest and domestic violence and thus having obvious various mental defects. Sure you say the country is beautiful, but that's just the landscape...
298-B and 298-C are new version Pharaoh’s orders against Children of Israel which were introduced by late Zia. Like his other acts of distortion. If we want to make our society a peaceful society we must get red of these laws.
What can you say when the whole country is morally gone bank corrupt. Pakistan rest in peace. Future generations would judge you as they judge the old empires which crumbled because of the bigoted mullahs.
This is very shameful for the government of Pakistan who is having inhuman laws as well as lawlessness. Shame on those Pakistanis who help and promote inhuman acts. Shame on those religious elements who don't know peaceful teachings of Islam.
Somebody of Daur-e-Jahilya unfortunately became the President of Pakistan on gun point. His name was Zia ul Haq who created these bad bloods and a tamasha in Pakistan by introducing Hudood Ordinance, Blasphemy Laws. But the most stupid thing was done by Zulfiqar Bhutto who declared Ahmedis as non-Muslims. What a tragedy. Sir Zafarullah Khan a very learned man was Qadiani and one of the most dynamic leader of Muslim League.. Sir Agha Khan a leader of the Ismailee firqa was another leader who steered the Muslim League in its infancy. Mr Jinnah himself a Ismailee turned Bohra was not known when Muslim League was formed. Now Qaidiani are non-Muslims. If the Mullahs will come in power they will declare the Shia community as heretics and may declare them as lesser Muslims and deface their place of worship.
Is this why your country going down the drain, because you all are so pious? LOL... But it's not even funny anymore. I swear, I saw this Pakistani molvi on TV who was singing a naat with his fellow pious molvis splashing money at him, as if they were at a strip club. I am in a shock, to this day.
While searching the exact text of Article 298, introduced by General Zia through Martial Law Ordinance XX in 1984, I came across this detailed account of the appeals of Ahmedis convicted under this article and the decision of the Supreme Court of Pakistan pertaining to their appeals. It is an eye opener and a MUST READ for all persons having any sense of fairness. All the appeals were rejected on the basis that no human rights; guaranteed under Article 19, 20, and 25 of the Constitution of 1973 to every citizen of Pakistan; do apply in their cases, because the law of a dictator has precedence over the Constitution "If the Constitution of 1973 had been in force in its entirety the argument of the appellants would have been worth examination but this is not so, for three supra constitutional documents have since July, 1977 eclipsed the Constitution".
@Ahmed wrote Ahmadi ... They are not muslims,
WRONG !!!
Ahmed since when did Allah appoint you to judge on His behalf? Are you claiming to be the master of the day of judgement ? May God have mercy on you and lead you out of darkness into light.
Have mercy on your own soul, mister. Those fearful of God are afraid of sending lanaat your way for trying to step into the divine matters, for you seem to be one of the deaf, dumb, and blind who refuse to listen, see, and think.
It is best you worry about your own fate and be fearful of the time when all will have to answer for their deeds in front of the Creator.
It seems this mind set of our courts is similar to Mullahs or Mullahs are now appointed as judges.
But as I was reading the history of Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Shafi, Imam Maalik and Imam Ja'fer and what I found common in history all those true imams of time was that all were persecuted, all were given fatwa's of Kufr and all were hated by the clerics of their time. and all have huge following by Muslims in ummah.
Being an Ahmadi, I have strong believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the Messiah and Imam of time and I am happy to see the signs of truth in the level of persecution Ahmadi Muslims are facing. I have much more stronger believe now that I have recognized the true Imam of time who was prophesied by the Holy Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).
@Salman: Dear brother, U must realize the fact that no one has the right to stop u wearing clothes like any sect, what do u think about the people here who wear clothes as Christians wear, do the Muslim become Christians when they wear pant & shirt or they intend to be like Christians? I hope u have this much mind and ethics left that u won't say such irrational thinking again. Now come to the problem no.2; whether ahmedis r Muslims or not? Dear plz go and read Quran and declare any one wrong after u have heard their verdict completely.don't just decide on others fantaism!
@Ahmed:
"To moderator: Do not selectively moderate my comments, either publish or censor altogether. To all: If Qadiani/Ahmadi were right they would have moved to court to be considered as muslims. But they won’t and they can’t. They have nothing to prove that they are muslims. Problem is not with constitution or laws, it is with Ahmadi/qadiani faith."
Lets suppose all the leaders of 72 sects of Muslims file a petition in the Supreme Court that their sect be declared Muslims and the rest of 71 sects be declared non-Muslims. Will you accept the orders of court, if your sect is declared as non-Muslim.
@Amtal Mateen: very true sister, there are a couple of sayings that come to mind, one is when you point one finger at others, you point three at yourself, and second when you sling mud at others you dirty your hands first.
this is so wrong, no matter who u are you have a right to live peacefully. and those people who consider ahmedi's as non-muslim have no right to judge them.
if u r true Muslim then you should know the responsibility of a TRUE MUSLIM. one point you claim that islam is a religion of peace and on the other hand u are spreading hatred around the world. stop pointing finger at other people without pointing at yourself first!!!
@True Muslim Paki & Ahmed HM, and others like them: you have a good point but then start applying it evenly accross the board, there are laws against corruption, bribery, and all such activities in this country, what about implementation of those laws? I think that people behind bars are less guilty than the ones roaming free....
@Azhar Ahmad Khan: unfortuntaley, or fortunately in this case, rulers of a nation are its representatives.
Dear brothers I am a ahmedi Muslim Pakistani. After to read these messages and dicession of court about Dar Ul zikar mosque the only thing I can say that those people who are doing these thing they are very unfortunate because they have the eyes but they can't see truth. Many times they have done these things and Allah Tala punish them but they are not trying to make little change in themselves. Innalahwainnalahayrajayoon. My dear ahmedi Brothers prayers can change the taqdeer of people let's start to do more prayers for these people that Allah Tala change these people and show them right way. Inshallah we always try to Keep the flag of Islam and Holy prophet(PBUH) right on the top by our day and neight prayers under the instruction of our beloved huzoor(ABA). May Allah the Almighty give us strength to pray for our ahmedi Muslims in Pakistan and all over the world. JazakAllah
Do the muslims hold patent on domes? If not, then this order can be challenged anywhere n the world. If yes then, they should publish the relevant documents on the design patent.
ET this is not fair. Please first authenticate the news and then print it. Newspaper of ET stature can not afford to commit such blunders. Wake Up.
Alhamdulillah, Thank you Allah for letting me live in a country like Germany. A country which moves on, regardless of its history, It has become a wonderful place for people of every religion, faith and people who wish to have no religion. We respect each other and the law. We can wear whatever we like, eat whatever we want and everyone can buld mosques, temples, and anything else they want. Alhamdullilah for letting me live in a democratic and free country. Alhamdulillah. I am going to my local mosque today and will read some Nawafil prayers. May Allah help the Pakistani people, give them strength and sabr to bear with their jahil government. Ameen.
May Allah bless you Momin.
What a joke - it is because of rulings like this that Pakistan has become the laughing stock of the civilised world. We should rename ourselves Mullahstan
Are you with us and if not then this is what you will get here in the land of pure.
The only issue left in Pakistan is "DOOM & Minarets of Ahmedi Mosque”. Also may be it would-be the greatest service to Islam to demolish the mosque rather to feed hungery and help needy. Today they are demolishing ahmedi worship places. The day is not far when in the same Pakistan Mosques of shia and other non common sunni sect will be demolished. Thanks to Gen. ZIA to produce the “Taliban Bomb”Now it working very fine and covered the masses.
With rulings like this, Pakistan will never become a better country. This is why it will continue to get worse, I guarantee it. No mullah against Ahmadiyyat is a peaceful Mullah. All Mullahs against Ahmadis are violent and ruthless savages who have only tried to look for blood or hurled countless insults trying to get their point across. I guarantee that these are the same men who are ruining Pakistan. They are not men of God. They are men of their own base pleasures feeding off of the masses in Pakistan. These Mullahs did not even care for the creation of Pakistan, and now they act like they rule it? They are hypocrites. Plain and simple.
Wasn't the first dome in the subcontinent built by Indian king Asoka at sanchi called the sanchi stupa, 2500 years ago ?
Absolutely shameful!
@Moosa Khan: they ought to join him, birds of a feather flock together...
Bigsaf wrote "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts as are only injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg Thomas Jeffferson " Thats such a wonderful quote. The liberal values that USA has developed with ( yes there are aberrations and imperfections ) , is largely due to such enlightened thoughts of its founders. Similarly, the co-existence of many religions and ethnicities in India, in relative peace and rthe secular, liberal nature ( yes there are imperfections and aberratioons too ) , is also due to the vision of India's founders from Gandhi to Nehru and so many others.
Ideologies make and define a nation. Same true for Pakistan. A state is , what its ideology , makes it.
Shahzad "okay so when do we plan to remove dome of capitol hill, the castle in Brighton, and Tzars in Moscow… We hv rights over all domes and everyone else should remove them… No?"
My friend, use your brain. Tzars of Russia don't use them or call them as Mosque's where as Ahmedis do! I think you are a non Muslim (probably a Ahmedi)
Sikh, Hindus n even Christians have domes n minaret in their worshiping place so u cant say that any religion have adopted from any other one According to Islam every religion has freedom to practice their religious believes.
aa, I am an Ahmadi Muslim, Whoever says that i am not. He is a GOD himself, for he knows what is in my heat and my belief is, and What is ging to be decided on the day of judgment. For Allah says that, it is He who knows who is on the right path (Quran).
if we are nonmuslims then let me tell you...we have built 59 mosques in EU. The bigest mosque in EU is in Morden, London...built by Ahmadies. We have translted Quran in 70 languages. those who are our animies ... who tells you that we are nonmuslims. Please ask them, what are your cotributions for Islam in last 1300 years. How many mosque they have built in West. In how many languaes they translated Quran. If all sects would join hands agaist us then they are not equal to us, the 73rd.
You people who are Pakistanies are seen as the worst country among all 200. Even Bangladesh dont like to come to play on your soil. Why? Why are you all in worst conditions. in this 21st centuries you dont have Electricity where A Korean minister resigns for in his country electriciy was shut down only for one hour. what not and what not....it is just our reveng that is being taken. YOU WILL KNOW THE DAY OF JUDGMENT.
Ahmadi should put sign on their worship places that " We are followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad who is our Nabi, Rasool, Mehdi, Masih". Only persons are allowed in our worship places who have same faith. Rest refrain to enter." The if use Kalma on the front of Mosque or build minrate and domes like mosques, it does not matter. Kalima can be recited by non muslim. The can Quran according their faith nothing wron with this. But we should not harass them order to wipe off. They should be pushed agains the wall. I an Qadiani but whenever see them I treat them with warm welcome, we can disscuss each other religion and try my best to bring them into islam, defenitly i will not break relationship with them. I have over 100 Christian and few Jews friends and we do hate each other but share cup of the with biscuits. One of my Christian friend (I call him Matt) bought a Quran for £40.00 for me and gave it to me as present. Because of our friensh he stopped eating Pig meat and gone halal meat, chicken and other halal items, This has been done by tolrance, love and peacefull discussion. Tell me your love, kindness and tolerece work toward non muslim.
@Abdullah: How do you definitely know whether Ahmadis are Muslims or not?
This country has potential, its government is a joke slapped on the face of the earth!
Ahmadis consider Muslims as kafirs right from the beginning of their religion in early 1900's. They are clearly instructed by their scripture and holy sayings of their so called prophet ghulam Qadiani. They are instructed not to attend namaz-e-jenazah of Muslims, nor give their daughters to Muslims, who as I stated above are considered Kafirs. And I can quote from the writings of his "holiness"...that is if someone challenges my statements.
Mainstream Muslims always considered Qadianis as Kafirs. It's only that the government brought in a constitutional amendment to declare them as non-Muslims. Mind you it was a popularly elected government of the time and it was a unanimous amendment, which means the whole nation wanted to declare them as non-Muslims.
In other words, the tables simply turned on the Qadianis...who were calling the mainstream Muslims as kafirs from the beginning.
Last but not the least, Qadianis or Ahmadis are a disappearing religion not just in Pakistan, but all over the world. Yes, they have a lot of money obtained from foreign governments and by collecting exorbitant amounts as chanda! That surely doesn't mean that pure propaganda can result in increase in numbers. It's purely a figment of their imagination, that their number is increasing worldwide!
Shameful, just one word! When I think that we have hit the bottom we lower ourselves even further down.
Who gave the exclusive copyrights of Minarets to Muslims??????
Its time for those followers of Gen.Zia to seek mercy from Allah.
I am amused at the statements of 'Ahmedis behaving as Muslims'.
How about if the Western countries charge Pakistanis from behaving and impersonating as Indians! Pakistani restaurants labeled as Indian restaurants should be demolished! Pakistani grocery stores selling Indian groceries should be demolished!
Pakistanis should demolish any and all buildings that do not confirm to 'Islamic architecture', but are borrowed from western architecture. Start with your National Assembly, Supreme Court, GHQ, etc.
The judges of Pakistani courts are a laughing stock of the world. Says a lot about the educational quality in Pakistan.
By doing so, does it mean all the problems of Pakistan are solved? Is Pakistan going to prosper? Well,,,, by doing so, they are inviting Allah's Curse. Allah is the Greatest, the Creator. Such matters should be left up to Him alone. This is not the TRUE ISLAM the Holy Prophet (pbuh) taught. He preached tolerance,mercy and brotherhood. All such deeds show a sharp u turn to all the teachings of Islam.
okay so when do we plan to remove dome of capitol hill, the castle in Brighton, and Tzars in Moscow... We hv rights over all domes and everyone else should remove them... No?
No law can be retrospectively applied. THAT is the legal truth. If an act was not against the law when it was performed, then you cannot force it to conform with the law later.
I take comfort in the fact that most of the hate directed here is by those who are deficient of intelligence.
In reply to @Ali: You are absolutely wrong. France imposed restrictions on Muslims, not because they were Muslims rather because their views are a threat to the world. Sure all Muslims are not terrorists, but there's is a very very strong chance that some madarssahs in France may spread pro-terrorism agenda. On the other hand Ahmadis have never been involved in terrorism, they never commit suicide attacks. So don't compare Pakistan with western world. West did it against terror threat and you did it against a peaceful society.
Minorities are faceless destitutes in Pakistan.
@True Muslim Paki: wonderful , ALLAH left the decision in your hand to decide faith of others
One Ahmadi mosque is demolished, minarets destroyed 100s more are built outside Pakistan by Ahmadis. When you google image for mosques in Western countries chances are you'll land on Ahmadi mosques.
I thank Allah for providing religious freedom in my country UK.
Isn't is ironic that Ahmedis and Christians were on the forefront for demanding and supporting the Partition and the creation of Pakistan movement!
@Faysal: very true we are uncommon muslims, we don't want to be common muslims, look around you and tell me if common muslims are a role model for anything except corruption, terrorism, et all; what else are you people being associated with, can you name a few good things starting from syria right down to bangladesh, this is a long belt of muslim countries and then over to indonesia and malaysia.
@Someone
Whoever does not believe in either of the two things of the Islamic creed cannot be a muslim. Its Simple.
SO WHAT?
Christians, Hindus, Budhists, Jews all are non-Muslims, will this court now decide the shape of their places of worship?
What does it say of Pakistan and Pakistanis who are more interested in squashing the religious rights of a minority and focused on superficial religious symbolism, than the actual hunt for their terrorist murderers, which killed 90+ lives, including a retired army officer?
Corrupt, bigoted, inhumane, unjust, hypocritical and yes, un-Islamic.
Thomas Jeffferson
@Ahmed: What a ludicrous comment. Can a court decide your religion? Just look at the Mormons - they live happily with other Christians. Why is it important to you to label them one way or another? Just mind your own business.
With all the issues facing the nation, these guys waste time on this.
If you claim to be a Hindu, you are a Hindu in India. If you claim to be a Christian or Sikh or Buddhist - you are so , in India and almost anywhere in the civilized world. That's how it should be. Religion is not a club or a restrictive cult to which you apply for membership.
@True Muslim Paki: Who are you to decide this?
@Ahmed: What does faith have to do with court-approved architecture?
@Momin: Well seriously Momin we are respecting the Law, even at the time when our 91 innocent people were massacred during Jummah prayer for no reason, and other innocent killings in the past. We are not making any more minarets after 1973 Not because we think that we are not Muslim, but because we respect the law.
Well as an Ahmadi my passion gets stronger by the acts of these ignorant people of Pakistan. We were Muslim ,we are Muslim and and we will be. How many minarets you will destroy, still FYI we are increasing day by day all over the world by the Grace of Allah. And one day we will spread real Islam ( Islam of Prophet Mohammed ( P.B.U.H), Peace and Love all over the world InshAllah
The courts are independent in this country. The decision of the court is as per the law. It's only fair to accept it. Law is law. Rule of law needs to prevail. Politics should not be allowed to interfere in the implementation of the law. The Ahmadis or the Qadiani community is not above the law. They should learn to respect the law.
In India, the courts stepped in to protect the Babri masjid, on a disputed site. In Pakistan, the courts stepped in to demolish the dome and the minaret, on a non-disputed plot of land.
Why not court gives order to those policement to bring the culprits in front of courts? They are doing same as govt.
@Someone: Yeah, you're absolutely right - the belief Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was the last messenger of Allah is an eternal part of our faith. But we are just mortals; religion is something that's between man and God. Leave it to Allah to decide whether Ahmadis followed his teachings or not. We have absolutely no right to judge or interfere!
It is very clear that the Ahmadiyas are not Muslims and that they do not adher to the finality of Prophethood with Prophet Mohammed as Khatamul Nabiyon. Therefore accordingly they cannot pass off as Muslims. Henceforth, Pakistani laws very clearly states they cannot behave as Muslims.
We in Pakistan badly need to mind our own religion. Else there should be a strong secular movement which must forbid every public expression of religion. And if you ask me honestly, I think the latter is a better option. We have killed, tortured, tormented enough in the name of religion. Lets go back to basics where tolerance, forgiveness, accommodation of others' views were the virtues respected by Muslim society. How strange we are forgetting all that. They are non-Muslims...accepted, we included that in our constitution. But now, for heavens sake can we not let them profess their religion the way they want. Why do we fear them? Because they will pollute our faith by posing as Muslims. I know at least half a dozen newly sprung Muslim sects (so to say) who have deviated from the established fiqahs and even to the extent of saying that there are only three powers Allah, Muhammad and Mr _ (living). I do not even blame them. Everybody is answerable for his own deeds. Isn't he? Then why are we trying to single out a particular community for our wrath. We indeed need to mend our thinking!
@someone wrote Islamic creed is based on two things Tauheed- There is no other God Except Allah (The One & Only God) Risalat- Prophet Muhammad (saw) is the last and final rasul & nabi of Allah (ie prophet & messenger of Allah) Whoever does not believe in either of the two things of the Islamic creed cannot be a muslim. Its Simple.
Someone has audacity to overrule God's guidance and the Prophet's ruling that who ever claims to be a Muslims should be counted as one.
Someone perhaps had a divine revelation to judge on Allah's behalf who is or is not a muslim. Shame on someone !1
@Some one
Ahmadis do believe in the Finality of Prophet-hood, the dispute is in the context of literal and spiritual meanings. So please don't malign and later adjudge.
FYI: Spend Ten minutes and listen to this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP81V29knb8&feature=related
4 Parts (Listen to yourself and don't spread wrong information) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7f1kMzvYVc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz04OIGOqg0
About the reference point which makes you made your point. Please recite Kalimas again and see for yourself where finality of Prophet-hood is referred there in the contexts you are referring to?
shameful decision!!! Allah belongs to everyone....who are we to judge?
@Adnan
They dont believe that Prophet Muhammad (saw) is the Last Messenger and Prophet of Allah. This is enough to throw them out of Islam.
Islamic creed is based on two things
Tauheed- There is no other God Except Allah (The One & Only God)
Risalat- Prophet Muhammad (saw) is the last and final rasul & nabi of Allah (ie prophet & messenger of Allah)
Whoever does not believe in either of the two things of the Islamic creed cannot be a muslim. Its Simple.
the people oh this site saying that this is wrong!? wow, most of you may not have even seen a mosqu from the inside. when our mosques are stopped from building in christians countries, when we are not allowed to build minarets in Swiszerland , when our mosques are asked to be relocated from christians, when our women are forces to remove the hijab, when bibles are being distributed in the local language (bibles and otehr non muslim articles distributed in Arabic, urdu, pushto, etc, and made to look like the Holy Quran)....... all this is ok!
but when non-muslims are asked to remove anythinng which associates them as being muslims than its wrong ?! are you sure.
This is a muslim country and all other religions must stay in their perimeter! dont fool the unkbowing people of this country into your altered path! Go away!
@Sarmad Hassan: Lead kindly light ! These never occured to us indeed!
All minorities should be able to live their lives according to their wishes (like the great Quaid said), people who dont like their minaret should not look at it... and then few 'extremists' complain that world is against us. This mentality is the key cause for the downfall of our country.
What can I say. Everything in Pakistan is twisted, the laws, the court, the politicians, the people who do not stand up to injustices.
If they have the audacity to attack a house of God, then they should know that Allah has the power to demolish their houses.
I am a Hindu from India, I have lot of Muslim friends. Even I have their Blood in me(they donated when I needed in Emergency Care), they are good people & bad people in every religion. Let us not blame the religion, let us blame and punish people who does harm to other fellow citizens. Religion is purely personal, it should stay inside our homes, and not in streets. In streets every human is the same and should have equal rights. Peace to all.
Next: the color green plus the symbols quarter moon and star get can only be used by (Pakistani) Muslims.
Demolish minarets Demolish domes Wipeout Kalima Wipeout verses of Quraan All backed by authrities and courts BUT REMEMBER There is a higher court and supreme authority UP THERE To which all those responsible will face justic Just imagine the punishment.Pakistan saved once more!
So now i know why the cases of law and order, corruption and terrorism dont ever get resolved. Judges have their hands full already, what with minarets and ahmadis and all. Makes sense
Once again, credit goes to Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and Pakistan Peoples Party who laid the foundations of injustice against Ahmadis.
@Abdullah: Who are you to judge if they're Muslims or not?
@Uza Syed...Don't you see Allah SubhanatAllah's wrath encircling my nation, my country, my people, my brothers, my sisters, my elders and my young ones? We all are cursed by our own deeds.
Earthquakes, Floods, Drought, Hunger, Poverty, Disrespect in the league of nations, Dishonesty, Blood, Pain, Agony, Chaos what else my nation wants for a proof for their wrong doing?
The land Pakistan will InshALLAH live but we all will be replaces by better people, better nation who are close to Allah SubhanatAllah's teachings.
I wonder they have some rule of judgement when i worship and deep in my heart i know i am praying Namaz/Salat, I wonder they know this? I wonder they can stop it? I wonder how helpless they are...
OOHH MY Nation...Alas
@True Muslim Paki:
Then why so much bickering over Affia Siddiqui verdict of the US court who was merely upholding the law of its land?
Minarets today, what's next? We all discuss "effects" not real "cause" which is ordinance XX of Gen. Zia that made all this fuss against Ahmadis and now religious hate against Shias, Christians, Hindus etc. is the order of the day. Wake Up Pakistan! To be honest, Ahmadis must be appreciated for their level of tolerance.
§ 298 states:
Whoever, with the deliberate intention of wounding the religious feelings of any person, utters any word or makes any sound in the hearing of that person or makes any gesture in the sight of that person or places any object in the sight of that person, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to one year, or with fine, or with both. § 298-A prohibits the use of any derogatory remark or representation in respect of Muslim holy personages. § 298-B and § 298-C prohibit the Ahmadiyya from behaving as Muslims behave, calling themselves Muslims, proselytising, or "in any manner whatsoever" outraging the religious feelings of Muslims. Violation of any part of § 298 makes the violator liable to imprisonment for up to three years and liable also to a fine.
298 states: "religious feelings of any person" § 298-B and § 298-C prohibit the Ahmadiyya from behaving as Muslims Q: Does it mean that as per the constitution Ahmadiyya are not person (implying not human beings)?
By the way forgot to add an Ahmadiya mosque including Minarets exists in Zurich even till this day.
To all those who agree with this court ruling: Next time there is a ban on minarets in Europe, do not moan and cry and burn the flags. You have no right to demand religious freedom anywhere in the world because you fail to provide that to your own citizens.
To all those who think Ahmadis are not Muslims so what if dome is to be demolished, know that dome is not patent right of so called Muslims like you. Go on demolish the Capitol Hill Building, Taj Mahal, numerous shrines in Indo Pakistan, state building in numerous countries of the world.
To those who think Ahmadis are non Muslims: Keep your judgement to yourself, we do not need a ceritificate with your signatures upon it to consider ourselves Muslims.
God have mercy on this country and its bigoted people.
@Ahmee: I'm not a Pakistani and my religion or anyone else's is not anyone's bunsiness. Same holds for how I wish to build my mosque or church or gordwara. These folks sitting wherever they are and pontificating on right and wrong must be stopped from such detestable act of interfering with people's rights to practice a religion of their choice, period..
@Babloo: Well it was a Public vote on construction of new minarets and not taking down existing minarets..There are some mosques whos minarets still exist but new ones cannot be built (minarets only Mosques minus minarets are allowed) This was an people decision or people/direct democracy that exists in Switzerland. This is not only for mosques but anything get enough signatures and justification for an referendum and you get it.
To moderator: Do not selectively moderate my comments, either publish or censor altogether.
To all: If Qadiani/Ahmadi were right they would have moved to court to be considered as muslims. But they won't and they can't. They have nothing to prove that they are muslims. Problem is not with constitution or laws, it is with Ahmadi/qadiani faith.
@Tch tch:
It's an unused dilapidated mosque that was built over a demolished Hindu temple. So, where is the comparison?
Tch tch tch indeed!!
I really don't get this? If I was foolish enough and with enough bad taste to add minarets and domes to my house (of course there's no zoning laws preventing this) would the mullahs come down on me and demand that my house be destroyed?
It is sickening and painful that anytime unethical, mean and cheap mullah minded authorities want to get away from their competence, they divert peoples attention by creating havoc towards weak and helpless and harm them as much as they can. It is not only Ahmadis but Shias, Christians and other minority groups are also brutalized in the name of Islam. Our judges are so ignorant and so much partial and corrupted that they do not even know this fact that grand fathered clause may fit and what they are going to do with domes of Christians churches. Clearly this is answer to Human Rights Watch's demand to bring killers of 94 Ahmadis to justice.
These kind of Anti-Minority Actions only show the Haiwaniyat that a society can sink to. It is amazing how many people support this persecution of an entire community of Ahmadis whose only 'Crime' is that they follow a different set of religious beliefs. To kill, insult and huiliate them only shows the degradation of the people involved.
I am a Muslim, I am an Ahmadi Muslim and I am an Ahmadi Muslim Pakistani.
ALLAH SUBHANATALLAH know's i can not let go any of the three (mentioned above) from my life...Now that constitution has given you rights to intrude in my faith please cut open my chest and see for your self!!!
What a pity, My doomed nation not even realize why ALLAH SUBHANATALLAH is not happy with them...the reason to me is intruding in Allah SubhanatAllah's matters...the day you started doing this the day you you started your downward slant which seemingly has no end...
Alas!!!
Judiciary is bringing shame to Pakistan. It's a matter of time, we will move applications against Hindu, then Christian, then Shias, then Wabbis, then Ahle Sunnat.. it's a never ending chain...
@Babloo: Like in Babri mosque case? @Beatle: You are right but the dome was picked up from the Byzantines, Not spain.
I guess Swiss are following Pak courts example and banning minarets. Maybe other countries should follow the example set by Pak courts ?
This proves once again why religion based systems are a massive failure and secular system is the only viable system to run a country; if we do not wish to go right back to the dark ages that is.
@anonymous observer: First of all, your are quoting the verse out of context. It means that one cannot force anyone to convert to Islam (please don't bring the forced conversion scenario of Sindh here, we know Faryal did a press conference and she preferred her husband).
Secondly, you have been allowed to post a text from a religious scripture ONLY because you are misquoting it and use it for an agenda. if I would have done the same to support that Ahmadis are non Muslims, my comment would have been moderated.
If in India anyone took a case to court against any community, complaining about the design of the place of worship, the courts and the people, would laugh at him and declare him insane.
Wow true implementation of Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W)'s Islam who didn't even stop a christian praying in the muslim mosque..Kudos!!
Second year anniversary gift from Pakistan in honor of the Lahore Ahmadi attacks of May 28th 2010!
whats next? court orders all non muslims to shave their beards? this is preposterous.
@Faysal: Please explain what common Muslims look like? They have two hands, two feet, etc. Perhaps Ahmadis should have one eye, one hand, one foot removed? Where will this obsession end? @Ahmed HM: The law does NOT say that. Those are the interpretations of the law you are talking about. Big difference. It's nice to see how some of you are happy about this happening. Great, we're demolishing some Quranic ayats. Well done. Remember the way you are treating people and their rights. Then don't cry about the French banning the veil, etc. It is after all, their courts, their law, their constitution.
Oh! the madness that has struck our finest legal minds!
@Sindh, Pakistan:
If courts went after the likes of Mumtaz Qadri everyone would support them but not when they go about interfering with the private lives of peaceful people.
Oh how much the Ahmadi existence bother them.
What!!!. Now muslims have license to destroy/ kill anybody who looks like them but is a non=-muslim. What a joke of an order!
I think they should not keep a beard as well because they might resemble muslims. They should not wear a shalwar kameez because people might think that they are muslims. They should also change their names because they resemble muslims' names too. They all should have a plastic surgery and should write on their foreheads that they are Ahmadis. I don't know where this country is heading to. May Allah bestow His Mercy on our nation.
@Ali:
Really? Which western country are you referring to? Give example where an already constructed mosque is forced to be alerted?
This is insane. When mullahs can't beat the Ahmadis logically on the basis of Islamic belief, they take shoulder of such cowardly acts, apparently to make them down and shaky morally. But what these cults don't realize is that so-called 'choked off' acts are only making the Ahmadis stronger in their belief notions!
Why do Ahmedis want to show themselves as muslims when they are not ?
Victory to Islam.
The choice of words in this article is rather insensitive. "Two years ago, Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) forces entered the worship place but failed to demolish or damage the building despite massive human causalities." Failed to demolish or damage suggests that they should have damaged/ destroyed the mosque and its a misfortune the they did not succeed in doing so. The treatment of ahmadi muslims by the state and the common person on the street is shameful already and it doesn't look like its going to get any better with the amount of hatred in their hearts. ET must report sensibly and responsibly.
Pakistan is moving in right direction.Good for Pakistan and even better for world
The courts are establishing a right-wing, fascist dictatorship. When will PCO CJ focus on the real violation of fundamental rights of the country?
Courts can say what they like, but it's wrong and I must say that it is and I don't agree with them and wish that we could somehow make these people respect people's right to practice belief of their choice. Designs or architectures of anything, including a mosque, is not and should not be treated as 'patented', especially, by us who have no hesitation in copying anything we like. No, it is just fundamuntally wrong and we as people must say so and try to resist this.
Good decision from the court. According to the law, Ahmadis cannot have domes and minarets or anything similar Muslims.
Justice done. The law of the land has to be implemented. Ahmedis were never & never will be Muslims
Allah says in the Holy Quran, "Let there be no compulsion in religion"
Good to see so many so called muslims following their true teachings..
Whoever erases Allah's name Allah will erase their identity Inshallah...Looks like our countrymen don't want to stop at 12 hours loadshedding..They want to be cursed with 24 hours =)
And people still have the gall to complain about shariah being discriminated against in Europe and US.
Substance over form - to borrow the accounting terminology.
I believe the Ahmadis have the right to lead a life like any common citizen of pakistan, they also need to follow the Pakistan constitution. The law forbids them to do anything which makes them look like common muslims (which they are not). They can not have a worship place which resembles a mosque.
Before liberal extremist start bashing on this forum. Here are a few things which I believe should be practised by people of all faiths. No loud speakers No pamphlets, writing, no nothing on walls of mosques, churches, temples Everything you believe in, pray for, do it inside the closed doors of your mosques, churches etc, whether you worship Allah or Jesus or paper cups don't hurt feelings of other guys.
Well the decision is as per the constitution so good job by the court!
sick obsession with religious minorities is getting rampant day by day which is quite alarming for all of us...!!
I thought the courts were the sole source of justice left in this country; guess I was wrong.
"Ahmadi spokesperson Saleemuddin said that they would challenge the ruling in the higher courts, adding that the minaret was built before the introduction of legislations against the community and said that the court’s order was not according to the law.". Hopefully he gets success which apparantly seems doubtful in an atmosphere where sanity and rationality is quickly vanishing. Where the civil soceity has gone used to claim upholding the basic and human rights for the minorities.
why do we always have to go against court orders?? from PM to worship places. Tsk!
Historically, Domes are not originated by the muslims. In fact they were adopted by Umiyats (Bani Ummaiyah) from christian (churches) when they conquered Spain. Thereafter, domes bacame an integral part of Masajid. And undoubtedly Muslim building experts added several innovations to beautify them. Although we can still see some of old historical churches covered by domes, but the most beutiful of them are found in mosques.
After all it's a secular move as contemplated by many western govts.