Pak-Turkey ties: Erdogan addresses Parliament, offers sage advice
The joint session was also addressed by Pakistani Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani and Leader of Opposition in the National Assembly Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan.
All the leaders boasted of a strong Pakistan-Turkey relationship and vowed to take it further to ensure peace and stability in the region.
Home away from home: Erdogan
Opposition parties are meant to reform governments and not try to force them out or pass unnecessary criticism, remarked Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan during his address to the joint session of parliament.
He added that the opposition parties are in favour of the people and are their representatives.
The Turkish premier expressed his pride over addressing the parliament for the second time and thanked the Speaker of National Assembly Dr Fehmida Mirza and other members for giving him the opportunity.
Erdogan offered sage advice for the parliament and the opposition, “the parliament plays a very important role in protecting the country. There is heavy responsibility on the members of the parliament. This is a force which can do everything.”
The premier lauded Pakistan for upholding democracy in the country and said that democracy has never been achieved easily in the world. “The government should put this power, bestowed by the people, to good use,” he suggested.
Erdogan also upheld the friendship between Turkey and Pakistan and vowed to help Pakistan in its hard times. “Pakistan’s pain is our pain, Pakistan’s happiness is our happiness… There is no example of the deep love held between Pakistani people and the Turkish people. I feel like I am at home here, I feel like I am with my relatives and brothers.”
He said that the second High-Level Cooperation Council meeting with his counterpart Gilani will take place tomorrow where the leaders will discuss ways of strengthening bilateral ties. During the meeting, discussions will be held to increase the economic cooperation between the two countries from $1billion to more than $2billion, he added.
He further extended his country’s help in fighting against extremism. “Pakistan is not alone in its fight against terrorism. We are always ready to help it. We will take all measures to ensure peace and stability in the region.”
He also emphasised an increase in bilateral trade to $2 billion for economic prosperity of the two countries.
Erdogan also gave his condolences to the victims of Siachen tragedy and the victims of Bhoja Air crash and prayed for the forgiveness of the deceased.
Erdogan, thought to be a close personal friend of many Pakistani politicians, arrived in Islamabad on Sunday night on a three-day trip amid simmering political uncertainty after Premier Gilani’s conviction by the Supreme Court last month in a contempt case.
Turkey a role model for Islamic countries: Gilani
Calling Erdogan’s address to the parliament another milestone in Pakistan-Turkey relationship, Gilani said that the friendship between the two Muslim nations is very old and emerged many years before the creation of Pakistan.
“Our relationship dates back to the Khilafat Movement,” Gilani stated, referring to the 1924 movement in the Sub-Continent to lend support to the crumbling Ottoman empire.
Praising the Turkish leadership for its role in the global politics, Gilani said that the world is watching how Turkey is progressing under the leadership of Erdogan.
“Turkey is emerging as a role model for the Islamic world in terms of democracy,” he said, adding that we are keen to learn from our Turkish brothers.
Detailing the ongoing projects between the two countries, Gilani said that they have signed a declaration of high-level cooperation. “This initiative will further boost our relationship,” he beamed.
“The currency swap agreement is another major step forward,” he added.
He also appreciated Turkey's help to Pakistan during the floods in 2010, and 2011.
Concluding his address, Gilani said that the present government is determined to steer the bilateral partnership to new heights.
Nisar reminds parliament of critical juncture
In his address to welcome the Turkish Prime Minister, Opposition leader Chaudhry Nisar extended salutations of the people of Pakistan to Erdogan.
“I welcome you as a well-wisher and an ally of Pakistan,” he said.
The Leader of the Opposition told the Turkish Prime Minister that the opposition is only present in the parliament today because of his arrival.
“You have come to Pakistan at a very difficult point in time; we, as a country, are facing problems globally and locally,” he said, adding that the opposition has decided to put all its political difference aside and welcome a true friend of Pakistan.
“Our feelings for the brotherly citizens of Turkey and your leadership transcend all our political issues,” he said.
Acknowledging Turkey's love for Pakistan, Nisar said that Pakistan has many friends around the world but the feelings the term “Pakistan” and “Pakistani” evoke in Turkey, are unparalleled.
“When we are in Turkey, we are made to feel like home,” he said.
Giving due credit to the past governments on both sides for strengthening the friendship over the last 60 years, Nisar proclaimed that the relationship between the two countries has risen to new heights during Erdogan’s tenure.
Appreciating Turkish stance on issues related to Palestine, Israel and Kashmir, Nisar said that taking such a position qualifies Erdogan to play the role of a spokesman for the Islamic world.
“We need to send out a message to the rest of the world to respect Islamic values, Islamic traditions and our history,” Nisar said, adding that no one is better equipped to do so than Erdogan.
As a closing note, Nisar asked Turkish Prime Minister to take back with him the message of friendship from the people and the parliament of Pakistan.
“Although we are two sovereign states, we are one in spirit and one in soul, in good times and bad. Let’s face the world and our problems together,” he said.
The Turkish leader is scheduled to hold separate meetings with a whole spectrum of political parties in Pakistan during his three-day stay in the country, fueling speculation that he might be travelling with baggage full of advice and counsel for wrangling leaders.
The address gives Erdogan the distinction of being the first international leader to speak to lawmakers twice.
Pakistan Muslim League – Nawaz (PML-N) said on Monday that it would boycott the banquet being hosted by Prime Minister for Erdogan. The party has said that the boycott is a protest against Gilani’s conviction for contempt.
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@John B: Gilani meant post khilafat movement! Read the text carefully
@An Indian: How wrong be thee. Ur repeating whatsnalready written, i.e. muslims lent suport to the crumbling ottoman empire
first it was saudia arabia now it is turkey dictating their terms 'how to govern' thanks heaven he has left.
Accountability by the people is a must in democracy. Under this system the people are the priority and the protection of life, property and honour are ensured. We, however, confront a different situation. There is unending and harsh confrontation between the ruling and opposition parties. …According to the opposition, democracy means overthrowing the ruling parties. It is astonishing how the people are missing from the agenda of all the parties and the powers that be. The parties have the agenda of defeating one another. The people have been deserted and brave hunger, abject poverty, unemployment, inflation and terrorism. People want their problems solved. They have experienced all the various systems of governance: democracy, dictatorship and governments of technocrats. But what was the end result? An outgoing government leaves behind heaps of problems. That is the situation we are in today. During the Musharraf regime, the country was enmeshed in internal and external problems but no one is ready to understand this fact. One must not forget that democracy is the only solution all these problems and derailing democracy means just to fell in hands of chaos.
@kaalchakra: Of course, it depends on what the interpretation of 'identity' is. If it's racial, cultural, lingual, habitual similarity, then Pakistan would find that with India.
With Turkey, it would have, um, what identity exactly?
While the Pakistanis love all of their Muslim brothers spread across Caucasian alps to deserts of North Africa and elsewhere, but the only nation that truly love Pakistanis is Turkish nation. This fact is very heartwarming that a great nation like Turk consider Pakistanis as their brothers and respect us even in these difficult times. They have earned our deep love and respect for our Turkish brothers and sisters.
@John B:
"Actually India’s relationship dates back to Khilafat movement and pak had no role to play in it."
"Gandhi was a strong supporter and not Jinnah. British opposed Khilafat movement and Jinnah sided with British. The reasons for each leader were their own nationational interest. That said, when I speak of the looming Khilafat ideology and PAK is the epicenter of this archaic ideology people say I am making it up."
It shows how pragmatic, principled, and exceptionally foresighted Jinnah was. Only a person of iron will, impeccable character, and solid convictions could have resisted the temptation provoked by Gandhi's support of Khilafat movement, which was apparently a Muslim cause and Jinnah claimed to represent Muslims. It is extreme misfortune that his nation did not take the benefit of his wisdom and chose to go against his advice rendered on August 11, 1947 while addressing to the Constituent Assembly advocating, in true spirit, a secular way of governance. All the subsequent leaders imposed on us were even worse than their predecessors who thought they were gifted with omniscience and better providence than Jinnah, and as a result here we are amidst a myriad of problems and existential challenges.
One more proof that Pakistanis act slavishly when it comes to countries like Saudi/China/Turkey...
When Cyprus was illegally attacked and occupied by Turkey, the international community condemned it and did not approve of it.
The only country that blindly supported and recognized Turkey occupied cyprus was Pakistan.
I find it funny how pakistanis behave in front of Turkey, China and Saudi.
Pakistanis claim true brotherhood between Pakistan and Turkey/Saudi and true friendship between Pakistan and China.
However, the reality is, Pakistan is the slave, Saudi/China/Turkey is the master.
Look at all the comments by Pakistanis. It's nothing short of slavery.
True blood brothers in deed!!
Turkey is responsible for Armenian and Kurdish genocide. Pakistan is responsible for the biggest genocide since II world war in Bangladesh.
Both have the bloods of millions of innocent people. TRUE BLOOD BROTHERS!!!!!!
@naseer Qureshi: Pakistan should learn to stand on it's own two feet. Why can't it defend itself? If attacked, it should not have to look to Turkey for help. My point is that Pakistan should look to Turkey for its secular system of governance and economic policies. It should increase ties with Turkey. Not rely on Turkey for all it's needs like a child. The drone attacks will not stop as long as Pakistan does not sort it's own house out.
@An Indian
It doesn't matter even if we assume you right for a second, as the people of modern day Pakistan supported the Khilafat Movement and this is what matters. BTW I can't see a damn reason why you are itching as Pakistan's bilateral relations got nothing to do with India. So, steer clear please.
PAK TURKEY friendship zindabad.
I'm lost for words. What I can only say is that I love Turkey and their leadership. Pakistan should definitely have more collaboration and dialogue with Turkey and learn from them.
@ S.A. Bukhara,
Can one argue that the Khilafat Movement, led by Gandhi, was central in codfying Gandhi's Non-violence movement, which the Indians pat their own backs for?
@Roshan,
Pakistanis awam welcome so many Afghans because you are Muslims. Do you think Iranians treat you well? Can Afghans show the same sympathy and love Pakistani awam have shown you?
@An Indian:
When did Pakistanis claim to take credit for the Khilafah movement? And who cares whether Ghandi supported it or not? He would have supported any movement that made him look like a pan-religious spiritual leader. It's a shame it had no relevance when whole Muslim families were killed in the summer of 1947.
@Pollack:
Stop embarrassing yourself. Pakistan does indeed have closer historical and cultural links to Central Asia and Turkey, rather than the caste-crippled mess that is Hindustan. And on a similar note, given that even your country's name was given to you by invading foreigners, maybe you should be careful when making lectures about fabricated identity.
LOL, Hindustanis make me laugh...
Hasan
The hypocrisy of PML-N is evident from boycotting the banquet but attending the NA session. Their principled stand seems to be that they want the best of both worlds. Just like their earlier act of taking oath from Musharraf, but with the drama of black arm bands. This two faced strategy suits them, and allows them to have lame excuses in TV programs.
“I welcome you as a well-wisher and an ally of Pakistan,” he [Ch. Nisar] said.
Once again this guy is running his personal agenda. Forget about Pakistan, he didn't even use "We" as a courtesy to his fellow PML-N party leaders. What a shameful character.
Well you all should know that Erdogan is not really a fan of Ataturk who ruined turkey by framing constitution that is totally against Islamic Values and he is from the party that do not support total secularism and are known as Islamic Party in Turkey. and They are now revising their constitution.
Jinnah and Iqbal were against Khilafat "MOVEMENT" (the political game) in India which according to them will do more harm than good. Later they were proved right as British took the revenge. But this does not mean we were against the sovereignty of Turkey. Thousands of Muslims from sub-continent took part in War with Ataturk. Muslims collected money, sold their jewellery just to reach Turkey and help their brothers against the invaders. My great-grandfather stayed in Turkey for 3 years and returned with many gifts including a stick, a sword and a Quran.
Erodogen should study in detail pakistani democracy...Its the rule of criminals
I'm sure the Turkish pm would trumpetting other words if turkey were direct neighbour of Pakistan. In afghan hearts pakistan sometime ago evoked good feelings. It has sadly lost the bsttle for hearts in afg by wishing for afg something which they dont want for themselves ie taliban. This two_facedness of the awam in pakistan is very backward and shows immaturity.
Regardless of which leaders supported the Khilafat Movement and whether it was a good idea or a bad one, the fact remains that the vast majority of donations that were collected in India came from Muslims, ordinary Muslim citizens. And the money was handed over to Kamal Pasha, who then built a number of importat state buildings with it in Ankara. This is what the Turks remember. This used to be taught as a part of their school syllabus. So dont be surprised when you find the Turks have this goodwill toward Pakistanis. Our grandmothers and great grandmothers donated their jewelry for this.
@Adil and Amir :Why you guys just target PMLN again and again. PTI is so silent on every issue and if one party is doing some opposition then PTI trolls are just targeting one party again and again. I was supposed to give vote to PTI but now I will never vote for PTI because PTI is just a Anti PMLN party and their agenda is nothing but to criticize PMLN at every point and PTI is like safeguarding the interests of PPP at every step while imran is on the backfoot himself. PMLN acts in a disciplined manner and you are targetting them. May be some people dont like PMLN's ethnicity and targetting them for no reason again and again.
"He vowed that Turkey would stand by Pakistan in the hour of trial. "
Does anyone know what was turkeys position during the Kargil war?
@Syed (?)....i smell something burning...
@kaalchakra: "This is what a true brother is like. I have always said Pakistan must look to Central Asia and Turkey for its identity, not India."
Isn't that what you guys have been doing from 1947? Or was it Saudi Arabia? No identity of your own so you have look to others? Not a healthy situation to be in as a society.
Please remind me what turkey has done for Pakistan? Can we rely on Turkey if India attacked Pakistan tomorrow? Can we rely on Turkey as we are dependent on USA for economic and military aid to Pakistan? Can we rely on Turkey in term of trade like we have with China or SA? Turkey is part of NATO which attack Pakistan with lethal drones almost everyday. Turkey never tried to stop these daily drone strikes that are killing fellow muslims brothers. What has actually Turkey done for Pakistan or vice versa?
Atleast countries like Turkey give respect for respect given. In Pakistan, we have do understand that being good Muslims doesn't mean that we have to take orders from the Arab World. It is time we mature and understand that foreign relations are to be maintained based on mutual respect and should be beneficial to both parties involved. Countries like Turkey, Indonesia, and Malaysia are good role models. Pakistan should look to these countries. UAE, Saudi Arabia and other wealthy Gulf countries are NOT the perfect examples. Gross human rights violations and extreme discrimination is widely prevalent in these countries yet we refuse to acknowledge it simply because they are "Arab Muslims." Anybody who has gone to Gulf and lived there will understand what I mean. For the wealthy Arab natives, there is legalized prostitution and alcohol is widely available. Simply because they were thawbs and speak Arabic does not exempt them from the punishments. No self respect means no respect at all.
@Syed How much respect does Pakistan have left? So much so that a CNN newswoman completely humiliated Pakistan's convicted PM in front of the worlds media. As for Turkey not being accepted into EU, that says plenty about EU. To be frank, Turkey is much better off economically outside EU. Turkey is a thriving, democratic, and civilised society. Pakistan should do utmost to follow Turkey's example.
Gilani said that the friendship between the two Muslim nations is very old and emerged many years before the creation of Pakistan. “Our relationship dates back to the Khilafat Movement,” Gilani stated
So before Pakistan was created it was friends with other Muslim nations? This is typical of the problems with inserting such idiotic content in our Pakistan Studies textbooks -- our leaders then go and repeat the nonsense in front of world leaders. Could there be anything more ridiculous for a nation?
We also have a tendency to be more of a proponent for the Khilafat when modern Turks consider it as utter nonsense. Gilani should at least have been congnizant of the fact that Erdogan like most Turks today is a strong critic of the Khilafat movement.
@Not me:
Dont try to follow Turkey too much. They have lost their dignity and respect and still not included in EU.
@John B:
Khilafat was a complete disaster. khilafat was not fruitful for muslims thats why Iqbal and Jinnah rejected the idea of supporting it because in this way they supporting corrupt, arrogant khalifa not turkish people. Gilani isn't intellectual so he doesnt know anything.
@zalmai U R wrong sir Turkey is doing well since they have islamic roots Govt of Erdogan they are Middle class educated and true muslims ... and we know who was behind the ata turk plans.
@INDIANS: So, the Turkish Prime Minister comes to Pakistan and addresses the Parliament. I don't know HOW in the world that has anything to do with Indians. I mean you guys are running the "largest" democracy in the world and I am sure there are enough issues in India to deal with. PLEASE go away! You are not wanted here.
@Amir:
doesn't matter he highlighted ir not. everyone in the world knows about pakistan.
It's just odd how corrupt Chaudry and Gilani pander with delusional faux hypocritical ultra-religiosity rhetoric and notions that Pakistanis are so steeped in, while Erdogan, the leader of a very secular country despite conflicting religious or ideological views which garner legit criticisms against him, himself has little need to do so, coming off more sincere.
turkey role is very deceptive. Turkey is a enemy in disguise. shame on turkish PM.
Pakistani MP's should listen carefully to what he has said and should follow through with his advice. Democracy is preferred over dictatorship for a reason. That reason being that it is meant to deliver for all the citizens of the country. It's not there so that a convicted PM can go around telling citizens to get out of the country if they are unhappy. What an incompetent government? They have only driven the country towards bankruptcy in the last 4 years. Imran Khan is the only individual talking sense and who can bring about real democracy. Hopefully he will win the next free & fair elections and bring about a real change.
@ayesha_khan:
You are right but I was just trying to show something ironic and interesting from history.I guess Gillani should have talked about Turkish influence on Pakistani culture such as cuisine and caligraphy rather than Khilafat Movement,maybe he meant about people of Pakistan whose ancestors might or might not have supported Khilafat Movement irrespective of if they had anything to do with Jinnah or All India Muslim League,it's hard to determine what percentage of Pakistanis hail from those who took part in the movement.
@Adil: The issue is not whether Khilafat is desirable or not. That is a completely separate debate. The point being made was that Pakistan cannot claim to have a relationship dating back to the time of Khilafat movement since Pakistan's founder actually opposed the Khilafat movement.
Turkey became a modern nation by shedding its imperial past and more importantly distinguishing themselves as a people with their own language and identity apart from the Arabs over whom they ruled. They dropped the Arabic script and adopted a new one based on Latin script thereby shedding all the baggage inherited from Arabs.
Pakistan needs to shed its false identity and accept that they are South Asians first and Muslims second. Hopefully some day most Pakistanis will stop suffering from amnesia and accept that they are indigenous to the Indian sub continent and not Central Asia or Asia Minor or the Middle East.
@Truth Hurts: "if we see that 2000 Muslims are slaughtered in Indian Gujrat and no one is held responsible for that!! That incident was just the top of the iceberg!!"
There was a riot in which 790 Muslims and 350 Hindus died.This riot was triggered by a railway carriage of Hindu pilgrims being burnt by Muslims. You say there was no accountability but 23 Hindus have already been convicted.There are some other court cases that are still in process. This incident happened 10 years back. There have been no Hindu Muslim riots since then. How many Muslims were killed in Karachi target killings last year alone? How many Hazara Shias? How many Gilgit Shias? What happens to Ahmadiyas in Pakistan? How many Balochs were killed last year? How many Muslims were killed in Pakistan by terrorists in last decade alone? What about Bengalii Muslims kiled in Operation Searchlight? The number ranges between 300,000 and 3 million. Were they killed in India or Pakistan?Muslims are safer in India than in Pakistan.
"Pakistan Muslim League – Nawaz (PML-N) said on Monday that it would boycott the banquet being hosted by Prime Minister for Erdogan. The party has said that the boycott is a protest against Gilani’s conviction for contempt."
I am not a supporter of PML-N or PPP,but Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan made a complete fool of himself and the party by not ignoring internal strifes and conflicts during Turkish PM's visit. And then they talk about democratic procedure getting derailed.You yourself are paving way for yet another dictatorship by doing all such Hungama and Tamasha.
The whole civilized world and our true friends like Turkey want us to be a democratic country and do not derail the process. It is not pretty and it is not easy but this is the only option if Pakistan wants to be in the community of nations. Once we stabilize democracy and remove all the threats and blackmails, the country would follow the example of Turkey and the progress of India.
@An Indian and John B:
Interesting points....I would not like to hurt your feelings but by reminding that Gandhiji suported Khilafat Movement by siding with Muslim religious leaders,one may say that even he played a communal card once during his career perhaps made an error,nothing wrong with that since he was also a politician and a human being.Plus, Jinnah's stand during Khilafat Movement turned out to be a better option since Muslims would not receive any benefit afterwards when Turkish masses themselves got rid of centuries old system of slavery,monarchy,feudalism and theocracy.Plus not to forget about some controversial Fatwas which originate in India too along with Pakistan such as ruling on divorce,women going to job etc...I assume majority of masses in Indo-Pak Subcontinent would not like to live under some undemocratic Khilafat,yes there must be some unified Khilafat but only to discuss issues relating to Muslim societies wordlwide not to rule and dictate them. It's a matter of great tragedy that many youngsters in Pakistan have been showing support for some Global Khilafat after getting brainwashed by wrong history and Zaid Hamid's lectures. Religious extremists came up with conceopt of Khilafat for their own gains.
Pakistan would be really lucky if it even got one politician as able as him He was also an able mayor of Istanbul and believes in local government. Too bad that never rubbed off on his Pakistani friends. Istanbul and 16 other cities have a 3 tiered local system. His able leadership at the local level paved the way for his able leadership at the national level. Pakistani politicians devoid of this foundational experience disappoint every time they come to power.
Erdogan and Turkey zindabad we are one after all ..... from one pak turk.
I find it hard to make sense of some buzz words here like "khilafat movement" "Islamic world leadership" ... this nation really needs to come down from this Ivory Tower if a flourishing Pakistan is a shared dream!!
Thanks your excellency.Mr Rcep Tayyip Erdogan, Prime Minister of Turkey, for addressing our parliament twice and extending hand for cooperation/development. We value this a lot.
@Truth Hurts: Irony is that you can talk about 2000 people from an incident that happened a decade ago but can not see what has happened after independence due to our dictator's decision and corruption of all of our leaders putting Men in Uniform on top of the list. I If we talk about condition of Indian Muslims then people especially from the right wing will jump and point their fingers at Gujrat incident but can we really compare that to what has been happening in our own country? How can you compare 2000 against the discrimination that we have been carrying out against our own minorities, and own religious sects like Shia, Qadianis and all others .. How can you compare those 2000 vs 35,000 civilians killed just in last few years by the beasts we have kept in our ungovernable areas? Truth Hurts but try to speak it if you want to see a better future.
@ kaalchakra "This is what a true brother is like. I have always said Pakistan must look to Central Asia and Turkey for its identity, not India..............
You mean to say that Pakistan doesn't have its own identity?
@Truth Hurts: Read court's verdict on Gujrat. Also there are many cases gong on in other courts. Let us know whether you understood the verdict. By the there are more muslims in India than in pakistan. What about 40000 muslims killed by muslims in pakistan in current decade? Regarding Jinah your argument is incorrect. why what happen in 1937?Read the history. Specially about the landlords of sindh and punjab. Think about it.
@Truth Hurts: The terrorist death toll in Pakistan since 2001 is 35000 (incl. 5000 law enforcement personnel). I am assuming the majority of the 35000 are Muslims. So you have Muslims killing Muslims. And how many of the terrorists have been put behind bars ? Even if they are locked up, they escape (Eg. Apr 15 escape in Bannu).
So before harping on Gujrat, wake up and smell the coffee.
Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ListofterroristincidentsinPakistansince_2001
Turkey and Pakistan are surely the best friends and the two blinking countries on the map of world who can surely bring the Muslim world back of the chaos and agony .
@INDIANS: Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah was initially a member of Congress and against the Idea of creating a seperate Muslim State, but later, even he was badly disappointed and hurt by the deeds of Hindus and their intentions towards Muslims, thats why he changed his mind and announced to create a seperate State of Pakistan, which was a wise decision, if we see that 2000 Muslims are slaughtered in Indian Gujrat and no one is held responsible for that!! That incident was just the top of the iceberg!!
@kaalchakra:
But unfortunately for you Kaalchakra you cannot brush away you south Asian identity for a 1000 years if not more. If you want to look to turkey for your identity you need to be in the mediterranean sea. You may end up drowning.
For Pakistan to be anywhere near as successful as Turkey, we need to be secularists. I don't think anyone in Pakistan has gotten that message yet.
This man is highly respected because of his character, honesty and leadership, we cannot prosper like Turkey unless we have clean and honest leaders like Rajab Tayyab Ardugan. Really Like the Speech, it was short, to the point and covered all the aspects of our Pak-Turk Friendship.
@An Indian:
bhai, i have met some pakistanis on net and they claim that indus civilization, swat civilization belongs solely to them, because they happen to fall within geographical boundaries of pakistan.. they even go on to claim that the ivc people were muslims like the present day pakistanis and the few statues found there are meant only depict the everyday animals found in and around those areas. the pashupati like figures mean nothing and were implanted to show the continuity of indian civilization.
Completely inappropriate Mr.Erdogan that you came here to indirectly insult the SC.
You want to be Spokesman of the Muslim world then leave NATO and don't allow NATO bases in Turkey
Hypocrisy was never so shameless
“Our relationship dates back to the Khilafat Movement,” Gilani stated.
Actually India's relationship dates back to Khilafat movement and pak had no role to play in it.
Gandhi was a strong supporter and not Jinnah. British opposed Khilafat movement and Jinnah sided with British. The reasons for each leader were their own nationational interest. That said, when I speak of the looming Khilafat ideology and PAK is the epicenter of this archaic ideology people say I am making it up.
Thank you Mr.Gilani for making it clear and your subconscious passing speech on the matter shows how pervasive the ideology is.
Ironically, Khiliafat does not recognize democracy and monarchy.
I would have developed more respect for Recep Tayyip Erdogan, had he given the same advice to the Pakistanis that he gave to the Egyptians. On September 13, 2011, he called on Egyptians to adopt a secular constitution, and stressed that secularism does not mean renouncing religion. He said that "Do not be wary of secularism. I hope there will be a secular state in Egypt." The Islamists in Egypt were very angry, and retorted that "the region's future will be decided by Arabs alone".
How Do Pakistan take credit for khilafat movement when their very founding leader opposed to it.
The only leaders who supported were Gandhi and other secular muslim leaders from Indian congress party.
Source: Read Khilafat movement on wikipedia or some other neutral sources!
"..the role of a spokesman for the Islamic world". Oh dear! Here we go again! Ch Nisar sahib should read the Turkish Prime Minister's Cairo speech again. That speech reflects the true spirit of the modern Turkey.
You should note that Turkey's position on terrorist is exactly the same as the USA -- Turkey has no qualms about attacking terrorist within Iraq who try to use "sovereignty" as a shield.
This is what a true brother is like. I have always said Pakistan must look to Central Asia and Turkey for its identity, not India.
Ch. Nisar's speech was very good!
Ch Nisar made a fool of Pakistanis with his speech, highlighting issues in Pakistan. This was not the venue or time to comment on this. Showed how much Pakistan is divided, and will remain divided forever.
The occassion should have been left for greeting him and welcoming him here.
H.E. Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Prime Minister of Turkey,
I wish that Pakistan should also prosper like Turkey.
With warm regards,
Turkey is a true friend of Pakistan and this was clearly demonstrated during 2005 earthquake I wish Pakistan has a liberal FTA with Turkey and there is enhanced trade with Turkey and we learn from Turkey how to confine the Armed forces to their constitutional roles