LONDON: A group of nine men of Pakistani and Afghan origin were sentenced to jail Thursday for grooming white British schoolgirls for sex, using drink and drugs.
The men, aged between 22 and 59, were convicted Wednesday of conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with children under the age of 16, and other offences.
Passing sentence at Liverpool Crown Court in northwest England, judge Gerald Clifton gave them prison terms ranging from four to 19 years.
Some of the girls were as young as 13 at the time.
"All of you treated them as though they were worthless and beyond any respect," Clifton told the defendants.
"One of the factors leading to that was the fact that they were not part of your community or religion.
"Some of you, when arrested, said it was triggered by race.
"That is nonsense. What triggered this prosecution was your lust and greed."
The abuse took place in the market town of Rochdale outside Manchester in northwest England.
Eight members of the gang were of Pakistani ethnic origin. They included taxi drivers, a takeaway worker and a religious studies teacher. Some were married fathers.
The other gang member was a 22-year-old Afghan illegal immigrant who will be deported once he has served his four-year sentence for conspiracy and trafficking.
Clifton said the group had been "grooming and sexually exploiting" several young girls.
"In some cases those girls were raped callously, viciously and violently," the judge said.
"They were going through a period in their lives full of difficulty and misery.
"One had left her parents' home, another had been in care for many years.
"You attracted them to your company by flattery, free food, and alcohol.
"Some of you acted to satiate your lust, some to make money out of them."
The man considered the ringleader, a 59-year-old who cannot be named for legal reasons, was jailed for a total of 19 years for conspiracy, two counts of rape, aiding and abetting a rape, sexual assault and a count of trafficking within Britain for sexual exploitation.
"He has objected from the start for being tried by an all-white jury and subsequent events have confirmed his fears," his lawyer Simon Nichol said.
Mohammed Sajid, a 35-year-old who was sentenced to 12 years' imprisonment, would ply victims with alcohol before having sex with them at his flat, where groups of men would gather and "pass around" the girls.
He will be deported to Pakistan after serving his sentence.
Adil Khan, a 42-year-old married father, made pregnant a 13-year-old victim who believed she was in love with him. Khan was jailed for eight years.
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@Raw is War:
Both !
@Hassan Ahmed: : There is no punishment in Sharia as the girls are non-muslim
Thank you for enlightening me ! I assume the women & Girls have same value as cattle in your society ! No wonder there is lack of Economic progress, as half of the population is than classed as unemployable !!!
Below is a quote a UK newspaper. This is the struggle progressives face.
"Six years ago, Mohammed Shafiq, who runs the Ramadhan Foundation, a small Muslim youth organisation in Manchester, spoke out about the involvement of British Pakistanis in underage sex abuse crimes. He was roundly vilified by his own community. "I was accused of doing the work of the BNP," he recalls. "I had excrement through my door. I received death threats." His offence was to insist that "to say that ethnicity is not a factor in these crimes is a lie"."
@Hedgefunder: There is no punishment in Sharia as the girls are non-muslim.
@USPakiCitizen: Excellent analysis.
@alicia: Rest assure its not one off events as there has been further arrests today !
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9261748/Arrests-made-in-second-Rochdale-sex-grooming-scandal.html
All those who say that its only the minority who is involved in such cases. I agree but the truth is that these type of cases with Pakistani men have been coming out for some time now. There are two or three high profile ones in the UK and several minor ones while there are two or three many Western countries.
A recent example is Australia. A gang of Pakistanis and Arabs (There were 14 Pakistanis and only one or two arabs) raped several girls and told them that this will teach them a lesson because they were prostitutes.
There are too many examples overseas where Pakistanis either marry white women or go to despicable lengths with them to get nationality. Afterwards they divorce them come back home and take a 10 year younger bride with them.
I think it is definitely the mentality of the parents and children whatever you say which affects them.
Also hard to believe that these men are fathers. Disgusting.
@dv sikka
We seculars have been screaming, crying, begging, pleading for years and years for us Pakistanis to change our course.
What you have in the UK is the nearest example of what scientists call a controlled experiment. Two groups of people of very similar genetic makeup, language, geographical backup yet differing in one or two parameters. What is social outcome ? The results are in ! We are ugly.
These UK Pakistanis have lost all their village culture. Just go to Punjabi Sikh or Hindu wedding , you have so much fun and joyous with dancing and folk culture. A muslim punjabi from 100 years ago would shocked their ancestors now live.
@secularPakThinker - the problem muslims are facing is due to their Mullahs who want muslims to live in 6th contury culture. Who believe that mother earth is for muslims only. Kick them out and all will be well. I am always thinking of great muslim leaders like Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, the founder of Aligarh Muslim University, who showed muslims the right path. Muslims are second to none when it comes to intellect. That is where lies a happy future for muslims and a happier world. Learn to live and let live. The systematic destruction of minorities has to stop. Please think of a peaceful, peace loving and properous Pakistan. Get rid of HATE culture.
@Faddy: "Please send them to Pakistan, and let US Pakistanis shoot them up in the airport !!! "
Trust me ! We would love to deport these lot back, unfortunately they all are UK Citizens, bar one, who has deprtation order upon completion of prison term ! Its not cheap to keep them in Prison either in UK, and in all likelyhood will be place in risk cat, as other prisoners would have a go at them !!!! I am still awaing for someone to tell me the punishment for this crime in Sharia Law !!!
@USPakiCitizen
I have also studied and worked in the UK and observed similar things. Why is it that Hindus from modest backgrounds are moving forward while Pakistanis are not ? If you go to a medical school you will find maybe 25% of the students are Hindus while they make up 1% of the population.
When is the difference between a Pakistani Jat and a Indian Jat ? What is the difference between a Pakistani Rajput and Indian Rajput ? Many Kashmiris muslims are Brahmin converts and still retain Brahmin last names. It is not the genes it is culture.
Please send them to Pakistan, and let US Pakistanis shoot them up in the airport !!!
This has done wonders for the reputation of Pakistani community in UK, its not the first major case, as there was a similar case in Derby last year and there are few more cases pending further investigations !!!! This community likes to enjoy all the benefits the system allows them, however are reluctant to contribute anything to the Country and yet consider their right to demand Sharia Law in UK!! Just what is the punishment in Sharia Law for such crimes?? Please enlighten me, as lot of my English collegues and staff would like to know, as its their taxes that are being abused !!!
Why am I not surprised????????
Another feather in the cap for Pakistanis...
no wonder pakistanis in uk have less than half the income of british indians and more than twice the crime rate. The worst part is, all of them banded together and called 'south asians' in uk, which is deeply insulting to the indians.
too many cases of this type are coming up in Pakistan, these days. Do we have to blame Pakistanis or just the religious culture?
@Iqbal who writes
"The sad story of this report merely confirms that we muslims are more likely to be involved in crime then other races such as hindus. In UK, the muslim population comprises 2.7% and the hindus makeup 1% (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DemographyoftheUnitedKingdom) However, the prison population comprises 12.28% muslims and the hindus as 0.51% which is proportionately less then the general population (see http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN04334.pdf). The hindus are even more law abiding then the indeginious people and are more successful then us although we are taught otherwise in Pakistani schools."
I am glad you brought this up. I have highlighted similar facts in the past but ET never published them.
The fact of the matter is, this disproportionately higher percentage of Muslim criminals is not just unique to UK. You will find it equally applicable to a country like India or USA.
@ Iqbal and ukmuslim - There is an old saying, while in Rome do as the Romans do. You have to honour the culture of the country where you are living. Your Mullahs have been spreading hate culture. In Pakistan it is against India, America etc. In UK it includes the British. This resulted in a very serious situation in the present case. Your mullahs will need to stop their hate campaigns. There is so much good in Islam, let that be brought out. I shudderr to think of a similar situation that happened in germany under Hitler. You have to realise that a very large percentage of muslims are good God fearing people and, they will suffer bad for no fault of theirs. How many muslims will bear muslim girls being treated the way British girls have been treated. It is time the good moderate muslims controlled Islam all over.
I live in the US but I moved to the UK in the mid 1990's for 4 years for professional reasons.
I got involved with the local school system in the south-east of England as a volunteer because the school had a large Pakistani student population and the parents were not conversant in English. The school needed a Governor who could communicate with Pakistani parents.
I noticed:
Pakistani boys were mainly thugs who threatened their teachers; teachers were deathly scared of these students. These students were 13-14 years old!
Every week a student would be threatened with expulsion, their parents were asked to come in. Invariably it was a mother, fathers wouldnt show. These women could only speak Punjabi in a dialect I couldnt decipher, who would beg me to help their thuggish sons stay in school. I was scared because I couldnt really help; if you beat up a teacher then its curtains.
On the other hand, the Pakistani girls! They ace all their courses. They are loved by teachers. All this while they are working at home helping mothers cook and clean. And what happens? After they clear their A's and are dying to go to Uni, they are forcibly married off to some cousin in Mirpur, Pindi or Jhelum who arrives in the UK to become a cabbie or a takeaway guy. Then ends up grooming young white children as prostitutes.
Pathetic people, pathetic future.
I am Pakistani background and have been living in Western countries almost 20 years, I felt so sad and heart broken after hearing this News. Here we are trying to held youth from all different backgrounds and working with people to bring West and East together. There are so many Pakistanis, Indians and Muslims who are trying hard to build a better foundation between both cultures. This News is so sad and I feel sad for these men (who are arrested) and their thinking, they would have achieved so much in West rather they choose to heard these young girls who needed their protection and help. The main problem is "Education", some of these people who have no education and no idea about Western values.
I am in US and I know a Pakistani who married a US girl and had a child for citizenship. After citizenship, he divorced her and calls her as bad character. Shame on you.
being a muslim, i know the pakistani community where i live in uk. most of them work as taxi drivers or in take-away, restaurant business or corner shops or other kinds of shops or in manual jobs. quite a few are professionals like accountants, solicitors, doctors or engineers. for very same reasons mentioned above, i don't mingle with them much. their mind sets are different. everything they sees from religious glasses. they always believe that the country and white people is conspiring against them.
The sad story of this report merely confirms that we muslims are more likely to be involved in crime then other races such as hindus. In UK, the muslim population comprises 2.7% and the hindus makeup 1% (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DemographyoftheUnitedKingdom)
However, the prison population comprises 12.28% muslims and the hindus as 0.51% which is proportionately less then the general population (see www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN04334.pdf). The hindus are even more law abiding then the indeginious people and are more successful then us although we are taught otherwise in Pakistani schools.
Studies in the west have shown that we will continue to go downhill unless we change our attitude towards religion and put more emphasis on education. Almost all the men convicted today were either taxi drivers or working in takeaways. They probably concluded that because our ancestors were marrying girls who were not even teenagers tthen it should be fine with them. I am afraid we need to apply common sense and reject this medieval beliefs and teachings. That includes almost everything what a mullah would say.
i condemn what these guys did, but like the white are all clean & don't do the same..
These countries must ban all kind of illiterate immigrants from Pakistan and around the world.The uneducated people can't contribute in the economy.Only high professionals should be allowed to come in.we are getting bad images becuase of such actions of illiterate Pakistanis.
The simple fact is that Pakistani society has become primitive owning to decades of Mullaism (as opposed to true spirituality). There is also too much focus on judging others than trying to make oneself better. Incidents like these are just a reflection of that. While you will see a large number of people supporting Mumtaz Qadri in their primitiveness, they will also be contributing to Pakistan being the king of porn watchers. Both reflection of a crude society in which people do not have control over their animal tendencies.
@kanwal: "it is not "fair" to blame the majority for the acts of a minority" The majority should be blamed for its failure and for cowardice to uphold the values and ideals of humanity (not just a particular religion which is getting into disrepute because of what Muslims, particularly Pakistanis, around the world are doing. This is one instance. You have not said or done enough to condemn and punish those who have engaged in terrorism in the name of Allah and Islam. Or the forced conversions of Hindu minor girls in your own country by thugs who are supported by mullahs and dubious lawmakers. That is why you -- the majority -- are equally responsible for not standing up and raising your voice in opposition to such perverts of sexual behaviour and also religion.
Well this unfortunate event happens in western society as well, with people from all race background. The reason that muslims are highlighted is that we portray ourself as holier than thou type of people, sinless, pious, holy, etc. So when this happens, as it says a religous leader is also involved, it throws all this piousness out of door.
Yes it also happens in Pakistan. The only difference is that people in western society get arrested and imprisoned for this henious crime, here they have the victim family hounded and thrown in jail, using state machinery.
Never having lived in UK, I do not have information. But based on some of the comments, it looks like there is a bad trend (not universal by any means) and in many case it is the religious leaders themselves who re-inforce it. If this is the case then it is not just these 9 people who should be punished but an attempt should be made to identify and report on prayer leaders who are spreading intolerance/hate in this manner. This onus has to be on the British Pakistani community to partner with the police and hand such bad eggs in, otherwise the community will continue to be branded.
Frankly I cannot think of a punishment severe enough for such prayer leaders. Not only do they bring a bad name to the British Pakistani community but Islam because the host community associates the actions of these prayer leaders and views them as being sanctioned by Islam.
@Az: Dude - no one is saying that every Pakistani in the UK is a pervert. But the fact is that these kind of crimes exist because no one tackles the root of the problem, which is that muslims are taught to believe that they are different and better than others - and this is especially true with Pakistanis (maybe to justify partition and the undying hatred for India?). As someone mentioned above, the Rinkle Kumari case is no different, except that (thankfully) rule of law prevails in the UK. Whether the jihadis in Pakistan or the paedophiles in Britain, it is the same ideology that manifests itself in acts of violence and terror against 'the other'.
The Greater Manchester police said its not just Pakistanis or asians who do this, not even majority. These men are scum though. Not enough sentence though. Hope their wives and kids leave them and someone in the jail makes up the inadequate sentence for these paedos.
I don't think it's fair to blame the majority for the acts of the minority. Yes, what these men have done is ville and they should not be allowed to live. But let us not generalize all Pakistanis in Britain as such. Admiteddly, trash such as these people are increasing in number yet i still believe that they are the minority.
This is just one of the grooming cases involving Pakistanis who were accused of targeting nonmuslim woman. So people who say that this case is an aberration should also look at this pattern of behavior where girls were targeted because they were not Muslim.
@Muhammad Ali I'm not in denial. The barbarians who carried out these crimes deserve severe punishment and yes this has happened in our community but IS NOT exclusive to Pakistanis. As a rule of thumb, UK Pakistanis don't consider white women as trash - and do not consider white women as being lower than "our" women. Please stop spewing out nonsense and fanning the flames.
@ho Ho Ho:
Stop pretending that these guys were an aberration or abnormality.These men reflect the mentality of the majority of Brithish pakistani men.White women have always been regarded as dishonourable women,vulgar women who deserve to be taken advantage of. that's how british pakistani men view the white girls in britain.Trying to pretend otherwise is an exercise in self-delusion.There's a real problem amongst the pakistani community in britain,the men regard non-muslim girls as uncouth and loose women who deserve to be taken advantage of.Our own girls are paak,saaf,masoom and shareef and the White girls are the vulgar ones who need to be treated like dirt.
In more or less similar circumstances in Pakistan, the victim girls (rinkle kumari and lata kumari) were offered to such criminals by the court...Rinkle is not even 18 but court let her go with the mob who forcefully converted her and raped her...Tlls you a lot about the society that Pakistan is today...Uncivilized!!
@Zubair Ali:
Living in denial and hiding from the truth won't change reality.Considering White women as loose charactered and less honourable is the dominant mentality in british pakistanis.It is a real problem and going into denial mode won't help anyone.
@ Pervez Khan Your comment is far from the truth. Don't generalise and attempt to tarnish circa 1 million Pakistanis (or people of Pakistani heritage) because of 8 or 9 morons of sadistic mindset. WE are not all the same!!!
Why only Pakistani and Afghanis indulge in such acts? Why not from any other people of other muslim nations or India for that matter?
Now you know why Pakistanis have such a bad name in the UK.
The pakistani-British community is highly regressive.The imams have a very strong hold on the social life of british muslims.There is a mentality highly prevalent amongst pakistanis in britain that White girls are immoral,behaya and so raping them is only teaching the non-muslim beghairat girls a lesson. This misogynistic mentality is nothing new,girls in pakistan have always had to face such disgusting mentality of pakistani men.They regard any girl without a dupatta or hijab as ''bad-charactered''. All the burden of rape in pakistani society is placed on the girls,there is no pressure on men to exercise self-control,they have full license to behave like desperate cavemen because society always blames the raped girl and never the rapist man in pakistani society.
I have a request to all of my fellow Pakistani people that this problem of Child sex is prevalent in Pakistan and it is so much common that you cannot even imagine. My Mother just used to color my Brown Hair in the past so that when i would be playing cricket outside or at school then nobody can sexually harass me. I know at least four people who were molested during childhood . The problem is prevalent and Our parents dont cooperate and we cannot even share this with Parents. I am myself a victim as I was about to be abused atleast thrice in my life and once by a Religious figure but thankfully i got away every time. So My request to Pakistani parents is that never leave your children alone even with your relatives. I have heard so many stories and met so many people that now I can only say we are living in a Perverse Soceity of Pakistan. So Please save your Children from Sexuel Perverts as they are everywhere in Pakistan and this malicious act of Molestation is common for Guys as well as Girls in Pakistan
Here is the full story with pictures of the criminals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2141279/Rochdale-child-sex-trial-As-9-men-face-jail-grooming-girls-did-listen-victim.html
Shame on you the so called custodians of morals and faith! Thank you British Justice system for grilling them. In my country a perpetrators of a gang rap, committed in the broad day light get freedom from the Supreme Court!!!!!!!
Well It is a shame but many Pakistanis who come in Europe think of European Girls are easy meat and they only persuade them to have sex and have a nationality. I almost know 10 European women who were betrayed by Afghan, Arab and most of all by our Pakistani brothers who defrauded them and left them with children after three years. When Pakistanis want to have nationality then they stoop so low that you cannot even imagine but when they get the nationality then they think they are the kings and then they bring religion into discussion and dump these girls. My compatriots are a shame not only to Pakistani community but to Islam in general as well in Europe.
thank u et for enlightening us