‘Obama is a terrorist, not Hafiz Saeed’
Addressing the general house of the LBA on Thursday, Ali said that America challenged Pakistan’s honour by declaring Saeed a terrorist.
He was addressing the lawyers at Aiwan-e-Adl in connection with the unscheduled loadshedding, sectarianism in Gilgit, murder of a lawyer Abdusatar Gill in Haroonabad and against the injuries sustained by another lawyer Rao Ashfaq during a robbery at Nawankot.
The lawyers also observed a strike on the call of Punjab Bar Council and Lahore Bar Association, and boycotted the courts.
Ali said that bloodshed, anarchy, starvation and bewilderment have prevailed in the country and neither the mosques nor any human life is secure owing to bad governance.
He added that the ruling party is ready to get electricity from India, but reluctant to get it from Iran and China. He further said that the lawyers will observe a wheel jam strike if the Nato supply is restored and inflation and loadshedding are not controlled.
Former president LBA Shehzad Hassan Shaikh and others also spoke on the occasion. They also condemned the bounty on Saeed adding that he was a religious scholar, not a terrorist.
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Hafiz saeed is not a killer, he is a welfare worker, yes its abvious he supprt jehad e kashmir, this is what every muslims hsoudl do
@Dr. Z.U Rehman: Nobody killed that many Australian aborigines, 20 million people is the whole population of modern Australia. Not more than a couple of hundred aborigines where murdered in all Australia. I suggest you read, "Van Deimans land - the fabrication of aboriginal history" by Keith windshuttle.
No-doubt this is truth and reality that Hafiz Saeed ain't terrorist and ain't involved in any terror activities against any Pakistan or against any country.This is US' prejudicial attitude/policy especially for the muslims,Islam and Islamic world which creates terrorists and enemies of USA in the world.
Dr. Rahman I would like to know from you that why muslims all around the world are not co-existing peacefully despite of being a followers of a religion of peace . Plz.Enlighten me .
Is the fault exist with all ,other than Islam ?..........By making such statements and welcoming Qadri's approach and supporting OBL, the lawyers of Pakistan have brought shame to themselves and to their profession. There are multiple ways of raising your objections in all the above cases. Pass a resolution in your association in decent language, advertise it, send it UN etc. The lawyer association is stooping too low.
Well Pakistan should attack the US now, but Pakistani politicians dont have the guts to protect there own
CHCHCHCHCHCH i cant see any humanbeing here........... blaming each other on religion. Sick.
@Faizan Ayyub: The "great man" will soon be shown up. All we need is some patience. The bounty will work its magic and somebody close to Hafiz will come up with the evidence.
@Lt.Col(retd) Abbas Mahmud:
Hey Mahmud, this is not a Pakistan newspaper; this is WWW (world wide web), which is not confined to Pakistan only.
If house next to you on fire (set by the neighbor), what would you do? Stay calm or shout fire and bring this to the attention of other neighbors.
Dr. Rehman:
In the first place, all your figures are bloated. The killings in WW1, WW2, in North America, South America, Australia, Jammu & Kashmir was not done in the name of Religion. The killings by Qasim, Ghori, Ghaznavi, Abdali, Aurangzeb etc. etc. were done in the name of Religion. So, let us not compare the two. Muslims defend the actions of the above mentioned terrorists by saying that they initiated the spreading an eglatarian religion in Hindustan. Of course, how eglatarian Islam is an entirely different point. But at any rate, by the same logic applied by Muslims, the Americans can defend their actions by saying that they are spreading eglatarian values and democracy in Muslim lands?? They are overthrowing the tyrants that rule these lands and hated by the masses?? They were bringing culture to aboriginals of Australia and the native Americans?
@Dr. Z.U Rehman: are you seriously a doctor ?
@1984: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PrasadShrikantPurohit Read about real terrorist.
This is why Courts in this country don't do anything against Extremists like Hafiz Saeed!
And now all the pakistanis will call hafiz as the hero of islam and Pakistan, they said the same for Osama bin laden, Every big terrorist is Pakistan's hero...
@IndianDude: Are you certain it was 50k Muslims M.slims killed in Gujarat? I thought it was 5 million. Nonsense.
@Dr. Z.U Rehman: All your historical facts are wrong. OK Muslims did no wrong.So why start now??
Why do the goddam Indians comment in Pakistani newspapers? There are more than enough for them in India!
@MarkH: Than Why USA always fight against Muslim countries?
@1984: ok brother how will you define Crusade? which still President Bush mention in his speech? And how will you justify Bajrang dal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bajrang_Dal party in india. and how will you define Akali Dal party in Sikhism? And will you define Free masons in Jewish?
if they all can get together on the name of their religion than why only muslims Blamed for Ummah?
And every religion thought us that stand against cruelty and injustice.even Hindu scriptures also teach the same thing.so there Jihad mean stand against Cruelty and Injustice. Well Nice debate...We All should Respect Humanity atleast.and stop this violence in society.
@Janitor: What policy change do you expect. Do you expect America(+all true democracies) to say that extreme Islamic ideas that promises to drag everyone back to the dark ages where religious leaders rule with absolute power. This is the 21st century, a lot of us can understand what knowledge does and want a way of life of freedom, which means free to say what we feel, live by our own moral standards, pray to whatever god we want(new or old). Where our families are not discriminated for caste, religion, gender or sexual orientation Look at the ideology of this Hafiz Sawed and others, its against any of this, so opposed it will always be. Its time many of you who feel angry against America understand that even now its the only country that lets people from all over come in (including muslims) protects their religious freedom, try your luck with China.
Okay all the hatred for America aside, Hafiz Saeed is NOT the honor of Pakistan.
a person who thinks parliament is supreme authority not religion n believes in democracy... mr. Saeed.... how can he be a threat to U.S n india....??
its just a puppet show.. non issue
@Dr. Z.U Rehman: Well doctorji.. I do understand that terrorism has no religion...Unfortunately,ur Mullahs are integrated Islam with terrorism... A person from indonesia is bombing for the sake of an Afghan,while a south indian muslim is helping a palestine...A french born muslim is trying to help al-qaeda in USA... What factors these people who have nothing in common in terms of race,looks,customs,language
Answer is Islam...
Bad elements in your religion use the "ummah" to gather manpower and money for their jihadi ventures...This doesnt happen in other religions
For eg,Indian hindus didnt support the srilankan tamil hindus who were fighting against the buddhist Sinhalese... Nor did christians support the Irish Republican Army or the Basque Liberation army just because they were christians...
Also,the above groups fought for their land,but an Islamic terrorists fights for the propagation of his religion and the alleged jihad described by holy book...
So its time for you guys to clean your society rather than defending them..
Correction from previous comment. American War is War of Interests Not War Against Terrorism
@1984: Dear Brother first of all i want to correct you about those train incident which happen in Godhra.now time and investigation have proved that act was not done by any Muslim or Pakistani agencies.this was Hindu militant group who did this and col. Prohit was one of them.Go and read article about him.and second thing this 1000 counting was given by Indian government figure which is totally unreliable. And what about Kashmir? And also correct me how many Hindus are killed in Pakistan after Babri Masjid incident? And in the same train so many Pakistani Muslims were also killed than in response how many Hindus were killed in Pakistan?
@DG: So You mean State actors are allowed to kill Innocent civilians on the name of War? i dnt know u know urdu or not but i am posting here some verses in urdu.hop u will understand. Zulam Rahay aur Aman b Hoo...Kia Yeh Mumkin hai tum hi kaho????
Mazloom b 1 had tak zulam bardasht karta hai aur us k bad uth khara hota hai. And once again to all above My point is dnt relate Terrorism with any religion.terrorist have no religion. And If Hafiz Saeed is Terrorist by the definition of USA than Obama is also Terrorist by the same definition by Muslims. And American War is WAR of Interests , Not the War Of Terrorism.
@Dr. Z.U Rehman: So what u mean is that a muslim can kill innocent people and destroy buildings ,but noone should blame them because in the history,other religions have done the same...
What about the likes of Qasim,Ghazni,Ghori,Babur,Timur,Aurangzeb,Ottoman Turks?? U mean to say they never killed anyone or destroyed anything.... According to your history,They just went to a place and suddenly all of them willingly converted to Islam and accepted their rule and lived peacefully...Isnt it??
BTW,I seriously doubt if that German knows abt Gujarat Riots..had he known he wouldnt have talked abt it...The death toll of Gujarat riots was around 900,700 muslims and 200 Hindus.... Any idea,why Hindus suddenly went on a rampage?? Because a group od 'peace loving' muslims decided to burn a train coach containing 67 hindus...
Thank God,It was India and the whole riot was brought down in 1 week with around 27000 arrests and around 120 rioters shot by police...Imagine,if a group of Hindus did that in Lahore???
U cant always point fingers at others to justify your actions...BTW,your statistics look seriously bloated,...But I cant blame you..You're being brainwashed by a mullah,afterall
OMG..This person also claimed drinking Shezan will make u impotent!! Why does E.T even publish what this man says...Tomorrow he might end up putting a bounty on Obama's head
@Umer:
Dear Brother first of all i want to correct you about those train incident which happen in Godhra.now time and investigation have proved that act was not done by any Muslim or Pakistani agencies.this was Hindu militant group who did this and col. Prohit was one of them.Go and read article about him.and second thing this 1000 counting was given by Indian government figure which is totally unreliable. and my third point which i am trying to make you understand that why always this Word of terrorism is labeled on Muslims.this label also should be used on Non Muslim as well who do the same thing.And West Media should either change the definition of Terrorism or stop this dual standards. And Who use nuclear bomb and other weapons of mass destruction on earth?This is USA not any Muslim. So Once again i Am saying to all media that either change the definition of terrorism or stop their Dual standards. In islam their is no concept of kill innocent peoples and who kill innocent peoples they dnt belong to Islam.So stop labeling Muslims as terrorist.
@ ZA Rehman
So in your terms there is no difference between terrorism and war or home security management by an elected body.
If this is so, then that is a dangerous sign and might lead to chaos as it may not distinguish between State and non-state actors.
If it is not so, then you need to correct the assumptions made.
@Dr. Z.U Rehman:
Actually yes, Muslim tribal leaders in Africa used to sell their own people for money to Europeans. Read up on the history of slavery and Muslim and Arab slave traders were right up there. Slavery has been in Islam from the very beginning and it continued for a very long time, lucrative business that it was.
@ Adam
and when hafiz saed did bombed his own people or blast any school? and american bombed their own allies in salala check post.and killed so many innocent civilians including women and children in Iraq,Afghanistan and in Tribal areas.and giving help to Israeli tropps who are killing innocent Palestine peoples..
When is the "Rose petal showering ceremony on Professor Hafeez Saeed going to be performed in Lahore ?" Will it be outside the court or inside the court ? I hope cameras are ready to capture the grand occasion in the history of Pakistan.
Wow, well now the LBA president should announce a counter $11 million bounty on their 'terrorist', lets start a race here...
@Dr. Z.U Rehman very well said, media has poisoned everyone's minds, and all they did this in one decade.
And please remove the double standards. If Muslims commit crimes, they are labelled terrorists. Please stop using this language that western media has brainwashed into you to use for Muslims. When Non muslims do the very same thing, they are never called terrorists? But they have different purposes for doing them, for international gain, for the interests of international bankers, one world goverment, Muslims do it because they oppose this, they refuse to bow down to this and do not want to be involved in this system. Anybody responsible for the killing of innocents is a terrorist. Terrorists have an agenda to wipe out masses. So its not just Muslims. Please ET do not always show a one sided story. This world is in total control of TERRORISTS. Do not be afraid to label them, whether they are Muslim or Non Muslim. Remove the double standards.
Dont know if Obama is a terrorist but he's definitely a war criminal.
Atleast this person is speaking out against Obama. A good looking man with lots of charisma, but with the worst agenda ever. Obama will bring about the end of times. He's already accelerated it. Just waiting for the big finale now. The middle east is in uproar. Iraq - done. Afghanistan - done Libya - done Egypt - done Pakistan - in process Syria - in process Iran - surrounded and ready While Saudi Arabia and Qatar laugh along in their drunkenness and corruption.
@Umer: i Like the answer of the German Muslim Scholar when he was asked about terrorism in Islam. He Said who Started the world war 1 ? Muslims? Who started the World War 2..... Muslims? Who killed about 20 millions Aborigines in Australia?....Muslims? Who killed more than 100 millions of red Indians in North America? ...Muslims? Who killed more than 50 million of Red indians in south America?... Muslims? Who took 180 millions of African people as slaves and 88% of them are died and were thrown in Atlantic Ocean ?.....Muslims? Who killed more than 1 million in Disputed Jammu & Kashmir ?...Muslims? Who killed countless children,women & Innocent peoples in Philistine and Bosnia?...Muslims? Who killed more than 50 thousands people in Gujrat riots in one week?...Muslims? And Who killed thousands of thousands Innocent peoples in Syria,Iraq,Afghanistan on the name of war against terrorism?......Muslims?
NOOO...They were not muslims!!! First of all,you have to define terrorism properly..If Non Muslim do something bad,it is crime But if Muslim commits the same, He is Terrorist So first remove this double standard then come to the point.
WOW What ab Brave comment. I like it man.
Obama is international killer and JEWISH lobbies behind his policies and decisions.
of course,obama is killer of thousands of people across muslim world.it is all about syopping the NATO supply by pakistan and nothing...
Same LBA which offered OBL's funeral prayer. All terrorists are innocent according to LBA apparently.
so according to president of LBA,pak's honour(and ofcourse islam's honour)rests with hafiz saeed.why dont u people make him another quaid-e-azam?
Is it same LBA who ban shezan in canteen because it owned by Ahmdi section…:- ). What else you expect from them….:-)
Well can't disagree with that to be honest, Hafiz Saeed isn't the one giving drone attack orders to kill innocent people ;)
Half truth
Saeed was declared a terrorist by Interpol in 2008, before Obama became president. Obama was just describing Saeed's international standing.
As for Pakistan's "honour", that depends. Is Pakistan a state dedicated to shielding international terrorists or one dedicated to seeking justice? If the former Pakistan's honour is intact; if the latter, Pakistan's honour is in great doubt as long as Pakistan is suspected of withholding information leading to the arrest and conviction of international terrorists.
@Pakistan politics:
What has Obama and Bush done which Bin Qasim. Ghauri, Ghaznavi, Abdali, Babar and many others of your heroes to present day have not done? What is good form one should also be considered good from the other.
Also most of these incidents occurred with the help of Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Gulf States and even Pakistan. How are only Obama nd Bush wrong but not rulers and governments of these Muslim countries?
I dont know if this news is reported in US media ,that "President of Lahore Bar Association is called President of America as Terrorist " .. It sure will bring bad publicity for current US administration and next one will be even more harsh to Pakistan.
Barack Obama is no different from George Bush, infact it's just that he is black while the other one is white otherwise the two have same policies towards Muslims.
Its a shame that lawyers are dabbling in politics instead of doing their actual job. Boycotting courts is not going to help people only make their problems worse. These lawyers (and judges in superior courts) should stop politicizing the profession.
Alternatively, they can resign and contest the elections if they believe they can do a better job than politicians in running the country. This is the constitutional and democratic way.
Just like everyone in Pakistan seems to think they are an expert on Islam, so do does everyone think they are expert politicians.
LBA making such strong statements in favor Hafiz Saeed should be a matter of concern.
So when is Lahore Bar Association going to shower with rose petals this religious teacher of harmony and peace ?
The pot calling the kettle black
Obama is international killer ....
This whole country is drifting towards radicalism.
There is a terrorist in the white house,
‘religious scholar’ is often a code word for a terrorist or at least an extremist these days; just like being a charity doesn’t mean it doesn’t do terrorism on the side, it just helps to raise funds for terrorism without raising too much eye browse.
Great Man Hafiz Saeed, Allah Always Bless Him - AMEEN
Obama is responsible for the deaths of innocent Afghans, Libyans, Syrian's, following the same footsteps of George Bush. Malcolm X used to say American Whites made themselves the moral police of the world for human rights while being the most racist hypocrites in existence
Is that the reason we take aid from USA?