Lal Masjid cleric wants enforcement of Shariah
And now he wants enforcement of Shariah law in the country.
After already managing to get pricey land in Sector H-11 for rebuilding the madrassah (a girls’ seminary) that was razed during the 2008 military operation, firebrand Lal Masjid cleric Abdul Aziz shifted attention in the Supreme Court from the mosque’s reconstruction to the enforcement of Sharia law in the country. He called on the chief justice to take suo motu notice of the delay in the enforcement of Islamic laws for which “we rendered great sacrifices”.
A three-judge bench of the Supreme Court headed by Chief Justice (CJ) Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry on Tuesday sought reply from the government on a suo motu case on Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa along with a contempt petition filed by Maulana Aziz within seven days.
The court also issued notices to the Capital Development Authority (CDA) chairman, Islamabad chief commissioner and the interior secretary to appear before the bench in person during the next hearing on April 25.
When the court asked Aziz about his grievances, he replied that “the court was not taking suo motu notice to enforce Shariah in the Islamic state”. Although Chief Justice Chaudhry strictly asked him to confine himself to his grievance, Aziz continued his speech in court. The chief justice then asked him to present his argument, rather than making a speech. Aziz urged the court to take suo motu notice and direct the parliament to pass a bill imposing Shariah law in the country. Justice Khilji Arif Hussain observed that policymaking was not the court’s job, but that of the government.
But an adamant Aziz continued his denouncement of the government, ignoring at least two requests by the seemingly annoyed judges to wind up his Friday sermon-esque speech.
Aziz finally ended his speech by asked the chief justice to take “big” suo motu measures to enforce Shariah in the country, “otherwise Allah will take suo motu action against the system”, while positing that “Pakistan was created in the name of Islam, however we are still the slaves of foreign invaders, we are following the laws of infidels.” At this point the CJ thanked Aziz for his time, asked him to take a seat and to let the lawyers do the talking.
The court was informed that the Lal Masjid (red mosque) administration had been compensated. Recently, 2.5 acres (20 kanals) were allotted to Maulana Aziz for the reconstruction of Jamia Hafsa, parallel to International Islamic University in Sector H-11/4.
During the hearing, Aziz’s counsel Advocate Tariq Asad argued that in its 2007 verdict, the apex court had directed the federal government to pay salaries for the teachers at Jamia Fareedia, but the government did not act on the order. “The CDA is also creating a hindrance in the construction of Jamia Hafsa, against the orders of the Supreme Court,” Asad claimed.
Iftikhar Gilani, the counsel for Wafaqul Madaris, informed the court that despite the court’s orders, the Islamabad police did not initiate action against those who were responsible for the Lal Masjid operation. The court expressed concern when Gilani asked the court to direct the police to register FIRs against then-president and army chief Pervez Musharraf and the army’s 10 Corps commander at the time. The court did not approve of the speculative content of the argument.
Published in The Express Tribune, March 28th, 2012.
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@Saeb: Mustafa Kamal who?
Will we ever have a Mustafa Kamal who will get rid of these mullahs and their organisations. Can we get bold enough to say, "We don't want any Islam or its ridiculous interpretation given by mullahs. We know about Islam much better than they do and we do not need them to force it on us the way they want". They just cannot keep on blackmailing us for nothing.
@Ali Hasan:
"Shariah Law is great. Just look at Saudi Arabia. Absolutely nothing wrong there. Apart from everything."
I don't understand what is wrong in Sharia law in a country that has been declared as an Islamic state with the constitution clearly requiring implementing Islamic teachings, laws and codes?
When Muslims object to Sharia, isn't it a case of Muslims loudly being proud of their country being an Islamic state while not really wanting to live by the codes, teachings and laws laid down by the scriptures? Either you are an Islamic state or you are not. There can't be any in between.
Just found this. Gandhi about our Caliphs. Unlike ignorant so called Muslims, non-Muslims like Gandhi admire the concept of Shariah:
Simplicity is not the monopoly of Congressites. I am not going to mention the names of Rama and Krishna because they were not historic personalities. I am compelled to mention the names of Abu Bakr and Umar. Though they were masters of a vast empire, yet they lived the life of paupers (Harijan, July 27, 1937)
we are talking about implementing Sharia NOT secularism.
Look dude if you ever look around you will find that majority of the countries having rule of law based on a religion or not. The country where religion is not present is nothing but secular kind of thing. Can you tell me a country where both thing exists? Offcourse none. While you have loathe of Islam and Shariah, you should rather focus why do you have so much abhorrence for Allah and it's rule. Your question about practical example of Shariah, if you ever bother yourself to read up my last comments then you would not have asked it again and again. From Caliph Abu Baker(Ra) to Ottoman Empire, history speaks itself the progress of Muslims in every field. Thus it proves that its not a religion which hinders in progress but the ignorance of a nation or person itself. Look at Israel, a pure religious state based on religious theory like Pakistan but over there religion was never an issue because the so called Liberals never created a fuss about religion and they never poked in others businesses which is not true in Pakistan. In Pakistan duffer Liberals did nothing at all and wasted entire life in blame game.
And as you say again and again there's no current example of Shariah, I second you, when something does not exist then why scare of it? I consider it rather phobia of a religion rather than some logical reason. The world saw how capitalism collapse in last 4 years and it continues to collapse. Even Western countries now realizing that Islamic way of finance is the way out to getrid of what they are facing. Thing is, you people are quite ignorant about many things, including both Shariah and non Shariah related things and no such proper knowledge of current affairs. Since Internet is free like beer so everyone becomes expert and starts poking nose on every matter.
I don’t know how can you compare political parties with sects? The differences among political parties are resolvable via table talks but differences among sects CAN NOT be resolved MMA group in previous elections is the latest examples of that religious parties could get together for a common cause. I dont consider them credible but that was just to give you answer that it's practical.
@Pr0udPakistani:
Name one country where Secularism successfully implemented and it progressed successfully? I would not let you hurt you head, there's none. The reason is that the secularism you people talk about does not exist anywhere but in books. The two biggest so called Secular countries; India and USA are not Secular at all. USA's policies are highly dependent on religions like Judaism and somewhat Christianity and Indian state has Hinduism influence. I don't need to go far, even weekly holidays like Saturday and Sunday which we enjoy are religious days for Jews and Christians; Saturday is the day of Sabbath and Sunday is Church Day for Christians. Ever heard the term Sunday Schools?
The country which claim to be True Secular is Turkey, an Islamic state. After learning about Secularism from Turkey, what it's concluded that Secularism is all about banning religious practice for the majority community which is oppose to what Liberals whine about Jinnah's speech; You're free to go anywhere, the Secularism in Turkey is nothing but plain fascism where even Imams are not allowed to grow beard and they use artificial beard when leading Prayers.
Is this the secularism you people to be implemented in Pakistan? If yes then why do you whine about Talibans and their Imposed Shariah while you seculars want to impose your own.
Your argument about several sects; well in this way we have several anti-religious/atheists parties like MQM,ANP and PPP, every one have their own agenda which is abviously non-Islamic. When they can be tolerated not once but many times then why so surprised about the difference in sects?
Pakistan has faced non-religious extremists for long time, not one but more than 5 decades. Enough time for testing. So far no Islamic government has been tested so It's High Time to test it. You people did nothing but wasted time in blame games. The most succesful nation in the world; The Jews are more successful is not due to their anti-Rabbi movements but getting associated with their religious and cultural values. They fooled wannabe intellectual Muslims by forcing them to go against Islam and they themselves kept following their faith every minute.
@Adnan..
Name one country where true sharia is implemented and they are progressing religiously, socially and economically??
Look at today's news in tribune. There was a clash between followers of Ahle-Hadiths and Barelvis in Gujranwala. The reason was that Ahle-Hadith wants to contruct a mosque near Barelvi's mosque. So how come you will implement Sharia in this country where everyone thinks their fiqah is superior than others????
when more than 80% Pakistani are against the implementation of Sariya then the govt. should declare the country a secular state without any delay .
Those supporting the enforcement of Sharia law in Pakistan or elsewhere may want to enlighten the less enthusiastic amongst us about the following. a: should our laws allow slavery in Pakistan and the right to have kaniz and children by them? b: should we treat all non-Muslim countries as Dar-ul-Harb and offer them one of the three choices, either accept islam or pay Jizya or be prepared to fight us? c: What should we do with women who want to pursue independent careers and dont want to treat men as their "rijal" or protectors? d: should children after divorce be allowed to stay with the mother who has carried them in her womb for nine months and suffered the pangs of childbirth or to the man? e: what will people do for relief in such a society where music, art, drama, dancing, singing, sculptor etc are all Haram? And while we are at it, the most revered of our Faqihs, Imam Ghazali has declared philosophy (read science) maths etc all to be discouraged. I dont know about the rest of you but I really wouldnt want to live in such a state, thanks but no thanks.
Who were your ancestors roughly 1500 years back? Can you guess??
@Kumar: They were humans, and yours?some other specie?
@Adnan,
Jinnah was a Twelver Shia, an intellectual, and a liberal at heart. So I'm not sure which version of "Shariah" he would have wanted?
He was the furthest possible thing from these obscurantist, Wahabi mullahs whose abysmal ignorance is their most striking characteristic.
@DeMullahlizer:
Please define the word "mullah". Is it anybody with a beard? Is it anybody who believes in Islam? Or anybody who doesn't believe in secularism? What exactly is this "mullah" all you ET hypocrite liberals spew so much hate against? It would be nice to know which category of human beings you dehumanize as you speak of human rights and freedom
In Afghanistan before the Jihadi period and the subsequent rise of Mullahs these preachers were confined to the mosque and only invited to peoples homes during a Sunnati, a Nikkah or a funeral and that was the extent of their influence on society. Since then every semi-literate villager has taken on the reverential title of Mullah or Maulwi and abused the position society conferred upon them.
In Afghanistan Mullahs were the butt of peoples jokes and today they wield enormous power, but thankfully people see right through their regressive and reactionary agendas and they are unwelcome especially as rulers of the country.
All you crazy fanatics and proponents of Sharia law start investing in some caves or dig some underground shelters because the day Sharia law is implemented, you will be bombed to smithereens.
@Adnan: Who were your ancestors roughly 1500 years back? Can you guess?? This is not a trick question. Just a pragmatic question. Did they not exist back then?
@kashif, @jamal, @hadi ansari, @khurshid: Bravo. I agree.
A country created in the name of Islam deserves to have a Sharia law implemented and enforced one hundred percent. If you have any misgivings you should have thought when the demand for separate country was made. I don't understand why people are upset about implementing Islamic tenets. After all Islam is a religion of peace! Happy living.
@Adnan, As an Indian, I fully support Shariah in Pakistan. Its only logical conclusion from the politics of 'day of direct action' planned by Jinnah to force his demands. In fact, you can learn some tactics from the book on 'day of direct action' scripted by Mr Jinnah.
@Babloo:
Nah, not Pakistanis but ET users living outside of Pakistan.
Not really, It's been prescribed by God, asked by men to implement it based on what mentioned in Quran and Hadiths.
Looks like many Pakistanis are scared of Shariah ? Why so ? Shariah, is the most modern, loving, caring. compassionate form of justiuce system ever invented by man.
@khurshid: Excellent analysis. I agree with you 100 percent.
@Pr0udPakistani:
lol. Picking words. Ok even then it's 72% which I think you read as 27% ;)
@jamal:
OK and what is your "Non Mullah" version of "Liberal" or even "Islamic" version of Shariah?Please enlighten us.
you have shown us
you have shown us> I don’t see anywhere a reference to
@khurshid:
It is my belief that our salvation lies in following the golden rules of conduct set for us by our great lawgiver, the Prophet of Islam. Let us lay the foundations of our democracy on the basis of true Islamic ideals and principles(Civil, Naval, Military and Air Force Officers at Khaliqdina Hall Karachi on 11th October 1947)
Now there are few things:
1- Either you're in state of denial which you're most likely to.
2- You have some vision problem due to old age.
3- You don't understand English and lack in comprehension
4- You're not being able to grasp that Jinnah and Islam could be in same slot which is no different than what you liberals blame Mullahs to declare Jinnah Kaafir. Mullahs might declared him for a decare or less but you people have been trying to declare Jinnah a Kaafir for 60+ damn years.
Now I leave it upto you to decide about yourself what kind of problem you are facing. No further troll feeding.
@Mir:
When you're in state of denial then what one can do, you even reject Jinnah's words. You can keep assume whatever you want in your "Wonderland".
Which form of Sharia the cleric is demanding.Saudi style,Iranian type ,Afghan under Taliban, or about dozens sects claiming superiority over others?Confusing,isnt it ? Under policy of appeasement they got everything from the court some years ago.Now they want the court to become law maker instead of interpreter of law.If the molvi were to earn his living by working 8to9 hours a day on a fixed salary as most do in Pakistan ,instead of getting paid handsomely by donors ,he would be demanding water,electricity,and other basic rights. Has he ever submitted statement of funds received and spent?
@adnan. I read your response to my own with interest. I think you are reading in Mr. Jinnah's speeches something that he is not saying. He emphasizes the democratic nature of Islam; Islam's importance for Muslims; the greatness of the Holy Prophet and how Muslims seek guidance from the Quran. I don't see anywhere a reference to enforcement of the Sharia or reference to an Islamic state in the extracts you have shown us. Polemics aside, can you really talk about the likes of Jinnah and men like Abdul Aziz and Hafiz Saeed in the same breath? Jinnah spent his entire legal career very close to the Parsis of Bombay and karachi; married into their family and, as I pointed out earlier, appointed non-muslims to such key positions as ML representative on the border award commission. No my friend, dressing Jinnah in a Sherwani and Jinnah cap doesnt change the essence of his 70 years as a modern liberal individual who held Gladstone and Dadabhai Nauroji etc as his ideal personalities. Jinnah's vision of what role Islam could play in the Pakistan to be was that of an inspirational source for the individuals. The clergy of today want it as a tool for their mindless dictatorship. I rest my case.
Humanity:
How can a civilian implement the SHARIAH on his own. Obviously this is the duty of the ruler/
According to Sharia the ban on usury, capital punishment, alcohol, corruption, etc.
All is the responsibility of the ruler. This has been done by Mohammad PBUH. According to the Sharia Model of Madina as well as the Khilafat-e-Rashida this has been the RESPONSIBILITY of the KHALIFAH.
On the other hand on the level of society it is obligatory for every MUSLIM to exercise 'AMARBIL MAROOF WA NAHI AN IL MUNKIR'
I think you dont even know the ABC of Shariah ...
It is no secret that the Lal Masjid was a vipers den of Arab-financed Takfiri terrorists, who declare all other fiqah as non-Muslims.
This Mullah's "Sharia" means killing of minorities and everyone else who doesn't agree with them.
Pakistanis must say a big, resounding "NO" to these criminal obscurantists.
@ali: According to Gallup Poll of 2011, 67 % of Pakistanis want government to Islamise the society.
On the face of it the above statement is not only an insult to human intelligence, it is a slap on the face of Islam. Government has business telling any one how to live their lives.
Reading the detail behind the statement explains where it is coming from. People marginalized by those peddling falsehood for religion can only dream the government will wave a magic wand of Islam to change their life. sorry souls!
According to Gallup Poll of 2011, 67 % of Pakistanis want government to Islamise the society.
A nationally representative sample of men and women from across the country were asked the following question:
In your opinion should government take steps to ‘Islamise’ the society?
The results of the poll revealed that 67% of Pakistanis want the government to take steps to Islamise society, 13% responded by saying Pakistan did not need Islamisation and 20% gave no response.
Those who responded with a yes were asked a follow up question:
Should government take steps for Islamisation at once or one by one?
Forty eight per cent said the government should take the steps ‘one by one’ and 31% said the steps should be taken at once, while 21% gave no response.
The survey was carried out among a sample of 2,738 men and women in rural and urban areas of all four provinces of the country, during January 2011.
Error margin is estimated to be approximately ± 2-3 per cent at 95% confidence level.
http://www.gallup.com.pk/Polls/31-05-11.pdf
@ Adnan
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Enjoy/laugh as much as you can but if we are 1% how come poll result is 72% NO and 28% Yes????
You and others like you want liberals (I think thats what you call people trying to win an argument with logic here) to leave Pakistan and someone quite rightly tells you to leave Pakistan and go to a country where you think true sharia is implemented IE Saudi Arabai where your saudi brothers treat you like dirt.
Pakistan's destiny is tolerance, education and prosperity NOT anyone's tweaked version of Sharia.
A 20 Kanal piece of land for girls madrassas. ???? Mulana Aziz saib wanted to enforce Sharia in the country? But he was pleading on behalf of whom? Mulana saib please tell us what Islam says and its also better at least to impose it on yourself.
I have a lot of respect for you but please politics under the flag of Islam/din is not allowed. There are so many religious/political parties in the country just join them or make your own and persuade people and if you get vast majority please do impose "whatever" you wanted to impose. Otherwise please do not make speeches at least in courts.
To those saying that these people don't represent Islam : Keep fooling yourself.
He and his dead brother used women and children as human shield, brought criminals in a mosque with arms and ammunition. At least his brother had the courage to die for what he believed ... he is the one who dressed like a woman and was caught! Why do we even pay attention to such people, why does ET even bother to cover his foolish ideas and speeches. No need to give publicity to a fool!
@Adnan: instances you mentioned above were totally incomplete and didnot make any sense, i would sugest you to read some books on history by prof KK Aziz's Murder of History, Ayesha Jalal's Sole Spokesman, Ian Bryant Wells' Jinnah: Ambassador of Hindu Muslim Unity and please be objective dont be emotional, books above will break your myths what you learnt from Pakistan Studies Textbook and Dr Safdar's articles. I end my debate here rest is for you to research.
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Enjoy the Sharia, guys! Its inevitable. When the Taliban take control of Pakistan, they will impose the Sharia.
I am just glad that Pakistan got created.
From India, with love.
Why Pakistan gives in to blackmail?
@Uzair: "Indeed, your forefathers rendered great sacrifices in preventing the creation of Pakistan" Maybe that's the only sane thing they attempted to do.
Wasn't this man running away from lal Masjid in Burqa in a group of non-mahram women.? He can't stand up for what he preaches but wants to enforce Sharia law!
Bring Sharia law to your own lives before asking it to be enforced country wide. Look at your own amaal and deeds and see is that how prophet, pbuh, preached.
hey ,wait a minute ,this is the same guy that tried to run away in a burka from Lal Masjid right ?
@ZYX:
hahahh well said and I do endrose your statement. However I do realize what kind of people they are and what all they could do, I only comment for sake of entertainment. They come here by imagining that entire Pakistan is on ET website or in their favor hence they get zealous here, only here. After all, they are in MAJORITY on this site or other Internet forums only. :-)
@Haleema Mansoor:
How about turning your attention to another bunch of Jinnah’s quotes
This is quite an old article you cite and I read it many times and it does not conflict what Jinnah wished for Pakistani state. BiBi, Unlike you I am not rejecting anything, I am just putting things into perspective. Infact I say that 11th August speech does not contradict Shariah, infact it's rather mapped with it. I already cited Omar(RA)'s statement at Jerusalem conquest. You are rather trying to dispute Jinnah and making him a hypocrite, I am not. Infact all Liberals are being Mullahs of partition time. They called him Kaafir before partition, Liberals call Jinnah Kaafir now. So why blame game?
Shariah is Pakistan's destiny. Its the destiny that was ordained the day the demand for seperate state for muslims was made. Shariah will be the culmination of the journey Mr Jinnah set up, wittingly or unwittingly, once he unleashed the emotion of religion into politics.
a typical Mullah Mullah mullah lullah statement
Wht Pakistan needs is not sharia law by saree law. Any woman found not wearing saree will get 100 lashes. :-)
Maulvi sahab ... Go get it.. we are with you.
Why People Are Happy with Word Secular and Afraid with Shariah!! Islamic System is the Only Solution of all Issues!! As Islam is the Natural Way of Life, All Socialists and Capitalists Failed Ok!!
People opposing Shariah implementation are clearly anti-Islam and anti-Pakistan.
People like Adnan are the ones who understand the true meaning of Pakistan. I hope they win and implement Shariah in the land. It would serve as a good example to us infidels as to how a country should be ruled.
@Ali:
We Pakistani Muslims allow filthy and secular lunatic rulers to rule over Pakistan for 50+ years. From Ayub to Zardari all were given chance. Everyone had their own agenda. Did we ever ask,"Which Secularism?". 50 years are enough for left wing people to implement their own policies. They failed, miserably failed and did nothing. Now the way we gave you the chance, let us Pakistani allow these Islamic Molvis to implement Shariah which Jinnah wanted too so that we can have a balance example about who's successful and who's not.
The way people religiously oppose Shariah gives impression that they are more scared that it would be successful hence they will not have any chance to spread out their filth in the name of Liberalism and Secularism.
MashaAllah! Imran Khan will surely help Maulana Abdul aziz in his noble cause. . Few months ago I have seen Imran Khan visiting red mosque and addressing the gathering of honourable mujahideen and learned moulvies including Maulana Abdul Aziz. Imran also gave a quite sensible speach there at that occasion and emphasized on commanality of his views with views of ulemas of Lall Masjid like Maulana Abdul Aziz. . InshaAllah Pakistan will one day achieve glory and become Islami Falahi Riasat as envisioned by Maulana abdul Aziz and promised by revolutionary Imran Khan
@Adnan: The majority of people here want sharia, and the majority of people here are uneducated. Coincidence? I think not. To clarify, before I'm hit with a barrage of comments against my statement, this is NOT to say educated people can't be religious, or all uneducated people are fanatics with no grasp of religion, but generally in MY experience, the more educated lot can better understand how potentially disastrous implementing sharia would actually be. In a PERFECT world, it might work. In today's world, it's not feasible. Pakistan would become another Afghanistan and end up nothing but a pile of rubble.
I can't understand the objections being raised by the Pakistani posters here on the implementation of Sharia in Pakistan. Pakistan was created in the name of Islam and to uphold Islamic value and religion. So, why is this mullah wrong in demanding implementation of Sharia? How can one call himself/herself a true Muslim and not support Sharia? Wouldn't the rejection of Sharia amount to rejection of Islam?
Arguing with liberals on ET is like going to a circus and arguing with the clowns. You go to that particular venue because you know you'll find that novelty there and you sometimes wish to see it...its not like we see clowns all over the place. Liberals are an anomaly and we only really encounter them in niche literature festivals, express tribune, and the occasional platform or event here or there. We should watch them and appreciate them as the rare creatures that would look good in specially constructed enclosed areas where they could be as they would in the wild and we could preserve this species that seems like its just about to go extinct. For those of you who support Sharia in its fullest sense being implemented in Pakistan...dont waste your breath arguing and instead enjoy the fact that 99% of the country agrees with you while this 1% just sits around and whines in frustration.
@Zeta: Oh yeah, wonderful idea. Pakistan is a wonderful Islamic haven and shariah law will prove to be an incorruptible system to create an Islamic utopia. eyeroll People have already used religion as a tool to throw Pakistan into an archaic abyss filled with hatred and intolerance, implementing a system that barely anyone ACTUALLY understands the depth of would be disastrous.
@Adnan:
How about turning your attention to another bunch of Jinnah's quotes, since you obviously haven't read many accounts of his life. So read through these:
http://secularpakistan.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/jinnahs-will-to-the-nation-he-founded/
And then try and argue about what you think Jinnah's true objectives were. He was about as far from wanting the Shariah established in Pakistan as...Mr. Zaid Hamid is from understanding the true meaning of the word "patriot." If you read books written about Jinnah, by different authors, you will realize how Jinnah worked very hard towards consolidating Muslims and Hindus under one nation initially. You will learn his love for law, especially the English common law system, in which he was trained and which he practised as well. A lot of his mentors (the people who influenced his development) were far-thinking, liberal non-Muslims.
If you pay close attention to the words you copy pasted, yes Jinnah was glorifying Islam, it's importance to Muslims, even it's applicability in everyday life. But no where does he connect Shariah law with Pakistan's law. Or the intention to implement the Shariah.
As for Abdul Aziz's statement: “Pakistan was created in the name of Islam, however we are still the slaves of foreign invaders, we are following the laws of infidels,” well, ignoring the first bit, the "foreign invaders" he speaks of are the ones who created the Taliban, Aziz so dearly wants to emulate.
There is so much more to say...don't think the rest of this thread should be tortured though.
@Mir:
Mir if I started mentioning Instances instead of Jinnah's own words in form of speeches then you would run short of words and statements.
There are instances infact events that Jinnah had relationship with Shabbir Usmani and He lef his funerals. There's an instance of flag unfurling cermony in which Shabbir Usmani attended. There's an instance in which Jinnah saw the Prophet(Saw) in dream to lead Muslims. There's instance of Jinnah's meeting with Molana Ashar Ali Thanvi and instance of Jinnah's invitation to Molana Thanvi in April Jalsa in 1946 so let's not get into it because you would blame I use my interpetition and lie or vice versa.
Jinnah's words are loud and clear about His Admiration about Prophet(saw) and Jinnah's wish to implement. YOu guys could waste endless hours and remain in state of denial. It's just not making any difference. The Shariah, who ever implements, Allah knows the best will eventually come here and other places. If you believe that your *Lords in USA are more stronger than My God then say clearly so that you can be communicated accordingly. Don't be coward and shy to hide your inner intention.
Or you have choice to keep fighting here with your enemies. I am just enjoying all this situation. :-)
@Zeta: "Deny All you want, but Pakistan is an Islamic Country, Implementation of Sharia is mandatory"
Wow. Strong words by Mullah Burqa. The country was created as an Islamic state, where Muslims would not be second grade citizens. The country was supposed to be secular and provide protection to minorities of all faiths. However, failing that, I dont think anybody can make the case for Sahriat. We are not capable of creating a society where Shias, Ahmadis, Hindus & Christians can be treated fairly and equally as in the time of the Prohpet (PBUH).
Way to go ET, why not just report this without your clear bias?
Very difficult to oppose Shriah considering the ideology and politics that inspired Pakistan in the first place.Pak religious right-wing logic is , Pakistan was created for Muslims ( so that they can live away from a Hindu majority state. Even Jinnah said that ! ) and good Muslims love and want Shariah. So its only bad Muslims of Pakistan who are opposing Shariah. The logic may have many holes but for those driven by religion and zealotry, that logic is irrefutable and its futile to reason with those who think their religion is the only true religion and everyone else is living a falsehood in darkness.
@Amir Wayn: Cmon ,atleast dont brand him as Indian terrorist,He was created and nurtured by your system.Anyways,he will ask for my HEAD before yours'.
@Adnan Which type of shariah law will you impose Wahabi, Deobandi, Barelvi, Hanafi, Shia. Everyone has their own version of shariah. With so many different school of thoughts in Pakistan it is impossible to come to consensus. It will end up in Civil war in Pakistan. Let us be answerable to Allah you dont have to force us to do what islam requires. It is between us and Allah. We will be answerable for our own deeds. Everyone is aware of that! As far is Pakistan is concerned no one wants lal Masid type of Islam in Pakistan which has majority Barelvi Sunnis. So your stats will be different if people know Lal masjid is making laws for us. First ones to revolt will be the women in Pakistan.
@Adnan: let me quote sssome instances: After lahore resolution Raja sahib of mehmoodabad asked from Jinnah whether Pakistan would be a state where sharia law will be implemented jinnah banged his hand on table and said pakistan won't be islamic state but liberal democratic state. In 1943 when a bunch of Muslim Leaguers tried to pass off a resolution to commit Pakistan to Islam. Jinnah vetoed it and called it a censure on every Muslim Leaguer. The Pir of manki sharif had asked Jinnah if lives of Muslims shall be subject to Shariat? What Jinnah had promised was that affairs of the Muslim community would be subject to Shariat i.e. the Muslim personal law. No where did Jinnah promise to make Shariat the civil and criminal law of Pakistan. Shariat in British India referred to Personal Law. In Jinnah's view Pakistan would be citadel of islam in south asia just as England was & is protestant country but follows secular democracy as Jinnah said in 11th august speech " Roman Catholics and Protestants do not exist; what exists now is that every man is an equal citizen of Great Britain. Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims". Actually Jinnah's appeal to Islam was entirely ambiguous and never concrete.
As far poll about sharia is concerned nobody would say no, but what form of sharia to be implemented is problem, when Pakistan already has 5 religious boards(wafaq ul madaras).
@Hari Karnani: Offcourse I can go anywhere but why do I when my country founding fathers wished for Shariah not one but in many speeches?
MOST of them on this forum are less than 1% or even 1% atmost so they mean nothing to Pakistanis
It is a problem concerning application of Sharia law in a modern society.
The main problem is that people who are against Shariah does not even have idea about it and such liberal forums always proved it again and again. These Westernized brain washed kids from foreigners Madrassahs have been fed that following Islam would make them backward while in reality there's no single evidence at all.
The real problem is that most of them will not be able to enjoy filth, freedom of having sex with anyone, interest, looting and what not. Definitely Islam does not allow it otherwise Islam is the most modern and most compatible and most close to nature religion on earth. You better need to learn more about it. Sources are everywhere.
@Adnan :
"Why so hatred for Islam? If it’s so unwanted then you are free to go anywhere else on earth, can’t you?"
It is not the hate of Islam. It is a problem concerning application of Sharia law in a modern society. Most people in this forum are against the application of Sharia in Pakistan. You Adnan, also are free to go anywhere, where Sharia is applied.
Pakistan was not created under the name of Islam, but for muslims in india to have their own representative government in power. These same mullahs were against making a Pakistan, they always negate the natural process. which shariha are you talking about? do you mullahs would ever agree on 1 chand for ramzan and eid? how come would you agree on 1 shariah law?
Don't implement some law without testing it on. Let Maulana Abdul Aziz Sahab be "Volunteer" to be tried under shariah law. :)
@Mahaboob Ali:
Pakistan has been defacto secular country since its inception.
@Buzzed:
As if 60 years of secular rule were heaven for us
@Pakistani Hindu:
Whats wrong with demanding Sharia?
Religion has no role in politics.
@zaid hamid:
What Pakistan needs is education, clean water, more accessible health services, functional infrastructure and a cycle of elections! Education that isn't confounded by state propaganda or religious biases.
You are supporting the man (Aziz) who said: “Our youth will commit suicide attacks, if the government impedes the enforcement of the Sharia and attacks Lal Masjid and its sister seminaries.” So in essence, this man was threatening to kill innocents. In essence, he was going to commit murder...how Shariah abiding is that?
If Shariah law was imposed, the first people to go should be the mullahs from every mosque as they impersonate the role of the priest, instead of acting as caretakers of the mosques! Moazins have taken it on themselves to act like scholars, issuing opinions, when most of them have received only the most basic education and have become inciters of hate.
@Zaid Hamid: I knew that SARIA = ROD
hahahaha what a two faced person. criticizing current systems while getting benefits from them. looks like he will soon be caught in a burqa again
Why don't you yourselves declare promulgation of Sharia Law. Why do you need to enforce it by the Gov't. Presently Almighty Allah does not seem accepting your request. After washing your sins fresh request may be made and good luck?
You can't implement anything you yourself trying to learn. The religion of Qazi brothers even failed to step out of Lal mosque, now he want to make it another blunder and plunder, shame
@ Adnan
What if it’s applied, will you leave this country and would allow majority of us lead life according to Islam.Majority wants Shariah, even ET’s survey endorsed that.
Please get your eyesight checked as ET's survey is endorsing something else.
@Adnan:
Unfortunately for you, you failed miserably. Read Jinah’s Sep 11 speech again. He can’t be clearer that he doesn’t want state to interfere in anything religious of its citizen’s.
@Khan, @Umer, @ Khurshid: Well reasoned. Thank you. 100% agree.
"His speech is nothing but an inspiration of what Caliph Umar(RA) in past."
Bang on. Jinnah would have himself acknowledged that. Why on earth do people have to assume that Shariah is unfair to anyone?
@Adnan: I appreciate your zeal, I really do, and I assure you that I have read all there is to read about Islamic history. My advice to you would be the same. At least ask yourself: was there ever any harmony and peace among the muslims at any time in history, dating to its foundation?
I must declare also that I have little hope that the "children of Zia's" education have a chance of learning critical thinking, but based on your zeal I DO hope that you will have the courage to ask the right questions about what you have been told by your teachers about Muslim history. Go and read the books yourself, will you?
Which Sharia law?
@Umer:
Little boy, what all I am trying to say that Jinnah was MORE MUSLIM and SHARIAH demander than anyone else and His speech is nothing but an inspiration of what Caliph Umar(RA) in past.
I just wanted to refute your shallow claim that Jinnah wanted a secular state. HE did not.
@Mullah:
You can remove the likes of Zardaris via vote in every general election .. what would you do with some one who will shoot you if you raise a finger ? There is no alternative to Democracy where each and every citizen has a chance to rule the country via political means and every citizen has a right to vote out whoever they dislike. Its the best way to do accountability but we need to educate our people to start voting instead of cursing politicians all the time.
Seeing the current situation of Karachi which has been hijacked by 2 secular militant groups; ANP and MQM and yesterday MQM and now ANP people burning Karachi properties; Pakistan actually need more Shariah than ever.
@Mir:
I did not know people here also have comprehension problem. Pakistan was all bout majority Muslim constituency. Jinnah was not fighting for Hindus but Muslims hence his speeches clearly reflects that.
as someone said above, even if one ignores what Jinnah wants and see what Pakistani wants, it's quite clear 80% Pakistanis wants Shariah. It's a big number.
Technically we don't need a Shariah law as a separate law. 1973 constitution clearly has clause to implement Islam as a state religion. All is required is implementation
Whether one wants Shariah implemented in Pakistan or not, the saddest are those who do acknowledge that Shariah is great, yet think it is impractical or are fearful of it. It's like saying that since nobody has been a real Muslim in the last one thousand years, people should stop trying to follow Islam!
@Adnan:
You quote Jinah but when that doesn’t work out for you then you quote Umar. Umar was not the founder of Pakistan, Jinah was. For Umar's system you are welcome to try to get to Saudi Arabia if your brethren in Umma Saudis would allow you.
@Adnan:
Are you upset that Jinnah said business of the state has nothing to do with anyone’s religion?
The only way state can achieve this is by not implementing any religion over its people; so a Sharia based system was officially rejected by the founder himself.
@Pr0udPakistan:
What if it's applied, will you leave this country and would allow majority of us lead life according to Islam.Majority wants Shariah, even ET's survey endorsed that.
people who want to deduce from jinnah's speech that he wanted theocratic state must undserstand that he quoted examples from islam for his muslim constituency, just as imran khan uses examples from islam so would anyone believe him that he will implement shariah, & he is being opposed by mullahs for using music in rallies and many other things, just as jinnah was opposed for his western outlook.
Sharia Law can/will not be implemented in Pakistan as every sect has its own version which they think is correct. So dream on..
@Umer:
Umer are you saying that Jinnah was hypocrite that he changed stance after 45? I hope you are not being funny here, are you?
Even 11th August Speech does not contradict Islam and it is some what what Caliph Omar(RA) said centuries ago
From the servant of Allah and the Commander of the Faithful, Omar: The inhabitants of Jerusalem are granted security of life and property. Their churches and crosses shall be secure. This treaty applies to all people of the city. Their places of worship shall remain intact. These shall neither be taken over nor pulled down. People shall be quite free to follow their religion. They shall not be put to any trouble
So again, please read history
Kindly give our clergy a huge plot of land and declare it autonomous territory..just like vatican. Happy days !
he has no space to talk about sharia. he run's away in the burkha shame on him...
mr Mowlana sahib this is not one man pakistan, this 18 crore people if you want to bring change in law so stand for election and do it constitutionally. he just want to get attention in the press thats all munafiq molvi
@Xcaret: It was not a spelling mistake. It was deliberate.
@Adnan:
Unfortunately for you after the 1945 speech you quoted he made this 11 August 1947 speech;
Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
unfortuately in islamic history shariah was used to opress the people who used to differ with rulers, unfortunately shariah was used against those who had different interpretation of shariah, today when the nations of world are becoming democratic shariah rulings in saudi arabia are present which say that people should not raise voice against rulers and do not protests againt state oppression, thats why people live there in fear, for example shias dont have freedom to practice faith there. In Pakistan we saw the application of shariah laws against opposition in zia era. Taliban used shariah law to oppress people. Application of shariah in pakistan is impractical because different sects have different interpretations of shariah and application of any one form of shariah is impossible.
@khurshid:
I did not want to embarrass you but you're giving a lose ball. Following are Jinnah's speeches.
The Prophet of Islam (PBUH) was a great teacher. He was a great lawgiver. He was a great statesman and he was a great sovereign who ruled. The life of the Prophet (PBUH) was simple according to those times. He was successful in everything that he put his hand to from as a businessman to as a ruler. The Prophet (PBUH) was the greatest man that the world had ever seen. Thirteen hundred years ago he laid the foundations of democracy(occasion of the Holy Prophet’s birthday at the Karachi Bar Association on 25th January 1948)
t is my belief that our salvation lies in following the golden rules of conduct set for us by our great lawgiver, the Prophet of Islam. Let us lay the foundations of our democracy on the basis of true Islamic ideals and principles(Civil, Naval, Military and Air Force Officers at Khaliqdina Hall Karachi on 11th October 1947)
What is it that keeps the Muslims united as one man, and what is the bedrock and sheet-anchor of the community. It is Islam. It is the Great Book, Quran, that is the sheet-anchor of Muslim India. I am sure that as we go on there will be more and more of oneness, one God, one Book, one Prophet and one Nation(All-India Muslim League, Karachi on 26th December 1943)
Every Mussalman knows that the injunctions of the Holy Quran are not confined to religious and moral duties. From the Atlantic to the Ganges, says Gibbon, the Holy Quran is acknowledged as the fundamental code, not only of theology, but of civil and criminal jurisprudence, and the laws which regulate the action and the property of mankind are governed by immutable sanctions of the will of God”. Everyone, except those who are ignorant, knows the Holy Quran is the general code of the Muslims(message of Eid to the Muslims in September 1945)
In your own words:
Dont let these ignorant link textliberals fool you.
Shariah is the only divine solution to all the problems we are facing today. WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT IT !!!
Before you enforce any sharia law--------------please enforce real islamic welfare state.
I want pakistan to implement sharia law soon so that if floods due in June this year can be stopped by sharia law abiding citizens or not.
I am sick of this chant that Mullahs and others of their ilk raise in defense of their political demands, "Pakistan was made in the name of Islam"! Where and when was it so stated? Anywhere in the Pakistan Resolution that Pakistan would be an Islamic State? In Mr. Jinnah's address to the Constituent Assembly? In the composition of the 1st Cabinet of Liaquat Ali Khan, that had a Hindu (Mr. Mandal) as the Law Minister and an Ahmadi (zafrullah Khan) as the Foreign Minister? Were there no able able Muslim lawyers or Diplomats available then? The demand for a Muslim Majority state and an Islamic State are two entirely different things. A sovereign Muslim majority state may or not choose to be a theocratic state (God Forbid!) but it is NOT imperative. If he wanted an Islamic State with Sharia, why was Mr. Jinnah willing to accept the Cabinet Mission proposals as late as 1946 which envisaged an Indian Confederation with essentially the current Pakistan as one of its units? Sharia Law in the Indian Confederation. The man's entire life is testimony to his liberalism and commitment to western democracy. This is simply playing with people's sentiments and the fabrication of history. Dont let these ignorant mullahs fool you. All they want is a dicatatorship of the astoundingly ignorant and incapable.
@Kanwal: Do really think Zardari Better than this cleric.? Jst Asking!
@Umer: World has changed a lot since Muhummad Ali jinnah died.....Moreover liberals always try to hide behind jinnah while jihadis glorify Allam Iqbal(The Great Poet and Philosopher more recongnised and praised, the world over).....Plus jihadis dnt believe in nationalism and it was 1922 when Ottoman Caliphate was abolished(Just 90 years & not centuries)............So Sharia is inevitable!!!
I don't have a problem with Sharia. But I have a HUGE problem with this mullah and his Lal Masjid terrorists who got what they deserved.
Actual sharia if implemented will bring peace and prosperity to Pakistan. But it is not very practical in the current world. If you think saudi Arabia practices acxtual sharia, you are wrong. Wealth is not distributed evenly. Those who can afford, go to Dubai and western countries and indulge in all kinds of wordly pleasures prohibited by sharia. Women have no freedom. No scholar (other than religious) has emerged from Saudi (except some who went to study in the west). If the expatriates leave, Saudis will have to go back to goat herding. `If sharia is implemented in Pakistan, mullas and religious extremists will hijack the religion, twist the teachings and implement an ugly form of Sharia which is far removed from the real one. Pakistan will become another Afganistan. No more freedom for press or open thinking. All forms of arts and music will be prohibited. Women will not be allowed to work or go outside freely. All intellectuals and talented artists will leave the country. Why not ask for a democracy with rules based on Islamic principles and values? So be careful of what you wish for. It might happen!let the people decide what would be the system in pakistan we need a true refremdom to kick out the religious and secular extremist
yar who is jinnah or zia would decide the system in pakistan it is the country of pakistani people let the people decide what would be the system in pakistan i mean a true refrendum and let me correct u zia did nt introduced an islamic system in pakistan it was just joking with islamic system and with the law of pakistan islamic system is also good but not defind by mullah's but by the scholars
@zaid hamid: Love the "SARIA" part, very common spelling mistake.
@Umer:
U must be feeling tired of replying so many people here, don't you? take a glass of water?
yet better people failed to do that
When you say it was never implemented then how can you say Shariah would not be suitable? Err, sounds ignorance to me.
@For others: Who think tht Jinnah never wanted Shariah in Pakistan are actually lying. Jinnah has speeches in which he talked about Shariah of Muhammad(SAW) in Pakistan. Please read books!
@Adnan:
All these places and others had 1400 years to implement Sharia, yet better people failed to do that. What would these two cent political mullahs be able to achieve?
Normally if you are selling a product which no one has seen working in a thousand years, people will laugh at you.
OMG is there any one in this country to question these so called "Holy men"??? Has everyone forgotten what we witnessed happening in Jamia Hafsa and Laal Masjid? And have they been allotted another piece of land to build another "suicide bombers factory"??? Its just unbelievable :O
I'm surprised that Pakistan hasn't managed to implement this for so many years after independence. As the fortress of Islam, Shariah should've been the first step!
Even surprising is how many Pakistanis here are being so shameless and blasphemous by reject the call for Shariah. you should fear the wrath of you-know-who ;).
@Adnan:
Where exactly can you show Shariah working in the last thousand years? If it’s inevitable it had been a long time coming.
@Exjihadi:
Had Quaid-e-Azam been alive he would have been the first one to be kicked out by Jihadis on that principle. Goes to show how misaligned are fanatics from what the founders intended. Time for fanatics to leave Pakistan and leave everyone in peace.
All those for the sharia laws and supporting this guy, please ask him if posting in blogs and twitter is permitted in his sharia. We have seen what the taliban have done with computers and electronic items in Afghan under true sharia rule! Otherwise they are greatest hypocrites as of course they are!
Abdul Aziz - Have you returned the burqa stolen from a girl in the Lal Masjid during escape while innocents were killed. Why you escaped after provoking young girls to sacrifice their lives.
This report is biased and there is no harm implementing Sharia in its true senses
@Exjihadi: Want a Shariah Law,book a ticket to Saudi Arabia and Chill :)
Please go to Saudi Arabia we don't want Shariah Law, keep it to yourself; I would like Pakistan to acquire the moderate religion ethics. Blowing up, forcing someone to not go to school, killing by pebbles, destroying schools. This is not Shariah- it's nothing but crazy fanatic suicidal tendency of your's and your people. Do me a favor I'll invest in bomb while you gather your man and blow all of them up. Thank you
good for Isalm and Pakistan
Most Pakistanis want shariah.
Whosoever hates sharia(the divine law of allah subhan-wa-talla)should leave islam.love sharia or leave pakistan.
It is sad that we didn't take care of him before, Giving Mullah's a foot in the door is the worse thing that the government can do. Awarding these people land is another mistake. The space for us secular humanists is shrinking.
@Zeta:
Or you can go to North Wazirastan or Saudi Arabia.
Every one wants reinforcement of Sharia. I fully agree with ZYX that dispite of making fun of moulana abdul aziz, ET should propogate news while remaining neutral and unbiased. ppl comenting about burqa issue of maulana should know that in an attempt of secret dialogue with Mushy's authorities, the officials told him to wear burqa in order to avoid media and to keep secrecy. letter on Mushy's authorites decieved him..
People of Pakistan want an economically stable and a liberal democratic republic where every one feels himself safe and secure. Our people have always rejected the Mullahs and their rigid ideas and will reject them in future too. God bless our beautiful Pakistan.
Come on Molana sb. We are with you. You have already given sacrifices of your brother, mother, father, son,other close relatives and a large number of pupils. Come on Molana sb. We are with you......
@Query:
You have effectively answered your own question, but to clarify may be overwhelming majority are already tired and scared of what they saw as effects of laws such as Blasphemy and hudood among other Sharia laws. You can’t blame the majority for being afraid of what Sharia may bring after that.
@usmank:
Saudi Arabia has Sharia law and then some, and look how honest the kings are who live such simple lives (not).
It is really sad to see soo many muslims ridiculing Lal masjid catastrophy. We MUST MUST MUST respect all Aalims.. Implementation of Sharia and Khilafat is the only solution “otherwise Allah will take suo motu action against the system”. We must educate ourselves regarding before making any opinion.
sharia law is great, islamic laws inculcate moral values in the society.But our dillema is that islam has been hijacked by such individuals who simply know nothing and have no vision whatsoever, all they will do is create more fasaad. May God save us from their brand of islam and bless pakistan with sincere and true islamic reformists.
Just don't get why do some people in Pakistan are so concerned with implementing Sharia law , are the muslims of Pakistan far more superior then their rest of brother's in Arab world or other states . The fact is that Muslim's of other Muslim countries are much wiser and understandable for the good of their own people then the so called Islam ke rakhwaley minister's and their followers. Arent Gulf states muslim country's then why do they give freedom of worship to all the people of different religons . Staying in one of the Arab states feel more secured to go to concerned worship centre's then in Pakistan . Where even our muslim brothers are not safe from their own brother's . Its just all topi drama for their own benefit only as they earn millions from their followers .
Well, I see a lot of comment in which many intellectuals have out-rightly condemned what Mr. Aziz has said about the implementation of Shariah Law. And I get a feeling from those opinions as if they would be victimized if this law would be enforced. I would urge these very intellectuals to consider the merits and demerits of this law as I believe that this law is better than whatever our pseudo political and social leadership has crafted and implemented since the inception of Pakistan.
@Khizer: definately you should be there with burka holding in hand for aziz and for yourself
Thing is most people, including abdul aziz etc never actually talk of THE Islamic Law. But rather what they like. Check out our history and this is has been happening especially with such people. Why? They give no arguments from logic, Quran or Sunnah. They simply give whatever fatwa they want and suggest questioning them as questioning Islam.
Now, We all know what this guy has been doing yet, as can bee seen from comments, some people still thin hes right. Same as is the case with almost all politicians. These people are only following their political agenda and try to cover it under cloak of religion.
The kind of suo mouto action you have taken during lal mosque operation reminds me of a holly wood action movie. I wonder from where you learned these skills.
Everybody is using everything in politics, please don't use Islam as a short cut to parliament. I have seen you in Burkah comoing out of Lal Masjid, who knows which religion you follow.
And back to the middle ages!
He called on the chief justice to take suo motu notice of the delay in the enforcement of Islamic laws for which “we rendered great sacrifices”.
His father Molana Abdullah was murdered i 1998...his brother got killed. Surely they rendered great sacrifices.
This supreme court granted bail to all those caught from Lal Masjid ,instructed Government and CDA to compensate Mulana Aziz and Jamia Hafza.Now why is he feeling disturbed. Yesterday same lot ,IjazUlHaq ,Hameed Gul came to rescue Mulana Ludhanvi from being arrested in Islamabad,who helped RED MOSQUE BROTHERS from being caught when arms were recovered from their vehicle.There is very little hope left for our mother land now.
Great idea. Lets try him first under the Shariah Law for enticing violence during the siege. Once he accepts the punishment we all should follow the lead.
When did this guy get out of jail? He's a terror operative and should to be martyred.
When overwhelming majority of people are Muslim in Pakistan then why Sharia enforcement is being opposed?
Is cross dressing allowed in Shariah ? If not, why did you do it while escaping from scene of crime ?. The suicide bombing, killing of innocent people barbarity and violent cruelty in Pakistan certainly represents the unabated savagery of the militants. The suffering it has inflicted on the people of Pakistan, especially Pakhtunkhwa over the past decade will be remembered for ever as a stigma on the faces of the pseudo religious leaders. Courts should make sure that justice is not only done but he is made an example for the murder of the innocent people.
I really dont believe it! Are we living in a human country or are we animals? This guy should ve been behind bars, should ve been prosecuted and by now, should ve been executed for being the nutter he is. He is responsible for so many deaths and damage. All of those deaths were in vain then? He can do whatever he likes with the so-called Shria, if what he did in Lal masjid had anything to do with Islam, I would ve been a non-muslim by now. Pls get rid of him Mr President.
Sharia Law is the only way to get rid of this hypocrite,looter and fraudulent mafia which is ruling us, why not sharia law!!!!
Whose Sharia? Taleban,Wahabi,Ismaili, Hanafi, Binori, Deobandi, Canelloni, Spaghetti...the list goes on and on. Like his brother, he should have been taken care of in the operation (had not been for that Burqa which the French want to ban for these obvious reasons)
Great news!! This country is after all the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Without Shariah, we are not a true Muslim nation. Inshallah we will have Sharia soon.
People are afraid of Shariah because then they would not be able to practice their dark and filth side Chuckles
@Uzair:
Provide something to back your point of view? While I realize you have not even read Islamic history otherwise you would not have made such lame comment. According to your Islamic Knowledge there was no Justice or even Rule of Caliph Omar Bin Khattab(RA) and Caliph Umer Bin Abdul Aziz(RA)
Go to near by library and make a read rather than commenting here for sake of commenting.
Shariah is inevitable and no matter how you despise, it's gonna be implemented anyway
@Adnan: Ground realities huh? Please educate yourself on the history of shariah all the way back the days of formation of Islam and then come back to tell me whether or not there was a "ground reality" of the utopia of a shariah, ever.
Yes, yes, yes! Shariah please. I want my neighbors to be a pious religious lot in peace with themselves and others. The only way I can see that happening is through Shariah.
@Mumbai Dude:
Or rather Shariah in India to getrid of you from Hindu extremism?
Shariah enforcement is practically an impossibility.
@Ali Hasan: You should learn to separate out Religion and Local traditions. Most of what you see in Saudi Arabia is their own local traditions.
Crime rate here is one of the lowest in World. No Blasts, No Crazies.
If you think women not being allowed to drive is a religious issue, then i am sorry to say that you are far worse informed than perhaps they are.
Deny All you want, but Pakistan is an Islamic Country, Implementation of Sharia is mandatory.
Sure sharia law with the enforcement of burqas for cowardly men who chose to flee rather than become martyrs (according to themselves) but were happy to sacrifice the young boys and girls trapped by force in the madrassa. Pakistan needs much fewer people like you molana sahib, who are landgrabbing thugs and violent extremists , you do no service to Islam.
And So does Imran Khan! He should join PTI soon to implement.
Ahhh this time he's just gotten crazy... What do you expect from a man after losing a young son and a brother and then getting caught while running away in a black shuttlecock Burqa...
a lesson for chief justice, now anyone can come and start a case for anything thinking that court can be used to settlolitical scores
@Citizen:
Why so hatred for Islam? If it's so unwanted then you are free to go anywhere else on earth, can't you?
Implementation of the law of Allah is the destiny of Pakistan. This is bound to happen.
@Shahryar Ahmed: good one about burqa but pakistan already has islamic laws the thing is strict implementation like alcohol law should be strickly implemented
@psycho mulla: INSHA ALLAH
I also want Sharia Law in Pakistan. Want to see Pakistan prosper and become paradise under Sharia. LOL!!!
@Mahaboob Ali: I am not sure why all you people are afraid of Islamic Law in Pakistan? I am really sorry to say that Pakistan was made independent on the name of Islam and now 75% of Pakistanis don't want Islamic law.. Beware everyone has to appear before Allah..
LOL and make you the Chief Shariah Enforcer!!
' Although Chief Justice Chaudhry strictly asked him to confine himself to his grievance, Aziz continued his speech in court. ' Sorry CJ. They only know how to make a speech.. arguments evade them always.
Welcome to the jungle
Aziz's father was appointed Imam of Lal Masjid by Ayub Khan who was approached by the then Nawab of Kala Bagh. Nawab of Kala Bagh was approached by the Pir of his area to find the young man a job. Ayub Khan got pity on him and gave him the job of Imam. Look what happens when incompetent are given a role much bigger than their brain can contemplate. Why did he not give the ultimate sacrifice when Lal Masjid was being rid of intolerant people, instead he tried to escape in a burqa. What a hero.
Mullah Abdul Aziz wants many things ------ how about looking into what many of us want? ----we, the ordinary Pakistanis, want this one of the main leaders of a terrorist gang to be publically hanged. How about this?
Shariah law is the need of the time in Pakistan.
Shariah is the only way forward. We should support Maulana Abdul Aziz. Only bad thing about him is he tried escape wearing Burqa that was not his wife's!
Question is, Was he wearing a burqa while demanding the enforcing of the sharia law? One he stole from the Jamia. These are the people who have demaged the beauty of Islam,the peaceful and tolerant preachings. Our judicial system has made him a hero along with other gun toting bandits. I wonder what does he say about the incidence when he was caught with an RPG in his automobile?
@Uzair:
His forefathers might have put efforts to avoid Pakistan creation but ironically you and lot is now more busy to break Pakistan and favoring India one way or other and putting it on top priority.
Let's talk about ground realities, shall we,Uzair?
Supreme Court should also take suo moto notice that all men are roaming around without burqa (niqab)......a firm enforcement is required.
Implementing Sharia law is the only solution to all of the problems
Did he ask the court to appoint him Khalifat ul Muslimin?
Ya, everyone should be forced to wear burqa, including men
This guy is out of his rockers.
Asking the parliament to enforce the Sharia... Why to take a stamp of parliament for enforcement of Sharia laws???
Again we are moving towards terrorism in capital, which should be face of peacefull Pakistan.....
Yes he want Shariah ofcourse. Isn't he the same person who ran away in a burqa???? Just asking!!!
What a shame this Lal Masjid issue was, it our so called independent media who made these idiots look as heros just to get at Musharraf in the same way they did to the lawyer movements.
Shout out lies so high that no 1 is able to hear the truth.
Thanks to a media house based in Karachi for our present & dark future.
Mr. aziz we are with you. when ever wherever u will see back we will be there to support islam the final and only destiny
If others have a right to advocate for democeracy he has a right to avocate implementation of Sharia.
I wonder how and why and on what conditions govt allow to build such terror breading madrassa again....why not alot 20 kanals to me??
He is the same God fearing leader who was fleeing in woman's Burqa (veil) fearing humans !
Will his "SHARIAH" force men to wear Burqa'a?
“otherwise Allah will take suo motu action against the system”
I wonder, did it go over the judge's head that they basically consider themselves the hand of God so it was actually a point blank death threat.
he is the one who was fleeing away in a female Burqa fearing humans :)
Pakistan actually need saria law!
Hey ET....ever heard of just reporting the facts rather than judging them and couching the story in ridicule? We may not love this guy, but we're not fools to take your judgements as fact...just report the story!
When the court will take a sou moto to close factories where the fabricate to make jahils.
You Indian back terrorists who never accepted Pakistan are using Shariah as your weapon to implement foreign Agenda. We know who you are and who supports you. You have blood of many of our sons & daughter on your hand. We have seen enough of your way of teaching Islam. We donot need the shariah the way you want.
God save Pakistan
Compensating for what? illegal occupation of public property. sacrifices to get the prime land needs to be recognized? Does any law is even applied to the likes of him.
Quote from the cleric: “we rendered great sacrifices”
Indeed, your forefathers rendered great sacrifices in preventing the creation of Pakistan, and now your colleagues whose cause you champion are rendering great sacrifices of other peoples' lives by blowing them up in bomb attacks.
Two-faced power hungry hypocrites!
Who made Pakistan an Islamic country? Jinnah wanted a secular country, while Zia Ul Haq, a dictator made an Islamic country. A dictators orders are null and void.
This guy should have been taken care off when he was trying to escape in a Burka. So much for the fighting spirit of the Mullah!!! Now he has started the same game where his brother left off. Worse then the circular debt, this is more like circular karma!!!!!!
It is this exact BS that will be the downfall of us all.
well said maulana sahib,i aspire for a pakistan where the rule of allah prevails.i hope after defeating the american invader our taliban brothers in afghanistan will help us in creating a true islamic state.
Shariah Law is great. Just look at Saudi Arabia. Absolutely nothing wrong there. Apart from everything.
Haan bhai.. whoever was against the Lal Masjid operation should see what this cleric's intentions are/were.
God not again ! Plz