The mover of the resolution, Pakistan Muslim League-Functional’s (PML-F) Dr Asma Mamdot, said young people had no knowledge of Quran’s teachings. She said that she planned on moving a bill in the house soon.
During the session, a minority MPA criticised the Punjab government for “stopping” him and other Christians from performing rituals at the grave of the late minister for minorities Shahbaz Bhatti on his death anniversary.
The Tuesday proceedings started at 11:12am, more than an hour after 10 am, the scheduled time. During the day, reserved for private members, two resolutions were passed, another two were rejected, one was disposed of and one was kept pending. Minister for Agriculture Ahmad Ali Aulakh answered questions about his department.
The resolution presented by Mamdot said that the house was of the opinion that the teaching of Quran should be made mandatory in all educational institutions in order to “sensitise” the young generation. It called for making Quran lessons part of the syllabus, starting from grade 1 and continuing till professional degrees. The Punjab government was also asked to allocate funds for teaching of Quran.
Mamdot later told The Express Tribune that madrassas’ interpretation of the Quran was turning children into terrorists. She said she believed that terrorism would be eliminated from the country if Quran was made part of school and college curriculum.
PPP’s Pervaiz Rafique Malik, an MPA from Faisalabad, said on a point of order that he had wanted to hold services at the grave of Shahbaz Bhatti, in Samundri, on March 4. Malik alleged that the Punjab Police had besieged his house, preventing him from holding a service.
Bhatti was buried on March 4, he said, adding that “thousands” had been stopped from paying their tributes. “About 5,000 others who succeeded in reaching the graveyard were harassed by the Police,” he said.
He protested against his house arrest as well as a “breach of his privilege”, demanding an answer from the government.
“Dr Paul Bhatti, late Shahbaz Bhatti’s brother and an adviser to the prime minister, had asked the police that Malik be stopped from holding any service at Shahbaz Bhatti’s grave,” replied Law Minister Rana Sanaullah Khan. The government was not a party in what happened, Sanaullah said, calling it “a private issue”.
Malik, however, was not satisfied with the law ministers’ reply and asked how Paul Bhatti could have issued orders to the police. Sanaullah suggested that he move a privilege motion.
The second resolution that was passed unanimously was moved by PML-N’s Ziaullah Shah. He urged the federal government to find alternative power generation methods in order to ensure that the country’s industries are not destroyed by the persistent gas shortage.
Published in The Express Tribune, March 7th, 2012.
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@aamir naseer: Since Qur'an contains the commandments of Creator of the world, real aim of every human beings on the earth and our duties and responsbilities towards our Creator, reading Qur'an and understanding each and every bit of it is so essential to get a good, peace loving, developing, society. At the same time, each and everyone can work towards the successful Aakhirah which should be the real aim of all human beings. Allah (SWT) promises rewards galore on meeting his commandments both here in Duniya and Aakhirah. So reading and understanding and implementing what's in Qur'an in our lives is so important to all the human beings for a better Duniya and Aakhirah.
Non-Muslims cannot understand the essence of making the teaching of Quran as mandatory because they do not know what is written in it. If they read they definitely say the same. We need more decisions like this to eliminate all the issues of Pakistan,as Quran majeed has the solution of all things
@Samir: Go visit Turkey and see their Islamic model. Do not forget the high suicide rates and the broken family system in Scandinavian countries. Decline comes on everyone at some time, Turkey has gone up. I was in Egypt during their revolution and even there people have started to denounce secular beliefs.
Why don't you immigrate to any of the Scandinavian countries and invent something?
Great work Alhamdolillah !
Teaching the Quran should be a must, as I believe people will get to know more about the fraud of the liberal wing and ET. :)
If you hold a piece of paper too close to your eyes you can't read it. Sometimes it is possible to stand too close to something to understand it, to be able to fully comprehend it's scope the way forward would be to step back a bit.That is if your goal is to understand it as opposed to just get close to it. To me switching madrassahs (where Quran is already being taught) into schools is the right way forward rather than other way round.
@Pakistaniat: Sir, I apologize for my comment regarding great wisdom of Muslim scholars. I just read an article which convinced me that there was nothing in this world before inventive Muslims arrived in 7th century. Sorry again for the not realizing the prowess of a Muslim scholar earlier.
@mind control: so with your logic - anyone going to India should seriously think about it because of this news:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/dalit-woman-stripped-naked-assaulted-over-sons-elopement/898556/
What lame reason.... please come up with something logical....
@Pakistaniat: Now coming to algebra; the word may be derived from Persian or Arebic but the first known text on algebra was written by Aryabhatta known as Aryabhattiya.
@Pakistaniat: Now about universities. India had a degree granting university back in 600BC (2600 years back) and guess where; in Taxila, in present day Pakistan. In Nalanda we had an university which continued as a major attraction for students from China, Tibet and far east from 4th Century to 13th Century when Bakhtiyar Khilji burnt it. So even Universities are not Muslim invention, although Muslims were first known University destroyers.
@Pakistaniat: I would just point about surgery. Sushrut in India wrote a comprehensive book on Surgery some 1700 years back which also included chapters on plastic surgery.
It has been said again and again in the comments that NON MUSLIMS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO STUDY ISLAMIYAT. THEIR SYLLABUS CONTAINS "ETHICS" IN PLACE OF ISLAMIYAT.
I hate who spread misinformation here like @PakistaniHindu
@Jaan
I dont understand what has the link got to do with the lady becoming a muslim…
Don't lose heart dear. Go back to my post again which says,
C. And was the lady aware of this while choosing Pakistan as her ‘dream destination’
http://tribune.com.pk/story/345224/muzaffargarh-revenge-plot-10-women-stripped-one-paraded-naked/
So the link was in relation to the 'dream destination'. Easy to understand, wasn't it?
Jezz they do take their religion like life and death thing.. all best guys. your first step towards talibanisation. But i hope i am wrong !!
@Mogambo: You guys just dont get it... READ the earlier threads carefully, a question was asked by one of your indian friends on Islam contributing to Inventions and hence my answer... so, please read before write... simple principle or is it too difficult to comprehend....
@mind control: I dont understand what has the link got to do with the lady becoming a muslim....you should then also then look at the following link http://www.indianexpress.com/news/dalit-woman-stripped-naked-assaulted-over-sons-elopement/898556/
and yes this is from your own newspaper and not a fictional news
@Senthilman: You will never be happy... if Quran is taught, its a problem... if it is not... its a problem with you.... u r confused dear....
Re: installing the chip... its a good idea... do you do this back home and howz is experience....
@DevilHunterX: We will blame you....
@American Desi: My dear... You are asking me not to copy and paste elective items and yet you have done exactly the same. You can picked Algebra from the long list so I assume that you acknowledge the others. If you read the threads carefully, I was replying to a point by your indian friend that Islam has not contributed to any inventions... so I provided brief list.. I can add more but then ET may not publish this... Dont think I said that hinduism has not contributed... so no need to start comparing... i dont want to know what hinduism has contributed.... chill out my friend....
@Pakistaniat:
Has pakistan had anything to do with those inventions? - No. Then why so proud?
@Sunny: Googling islamic inventions and read it does not mean they are true. It is fubby how many musloms hate the West and Jews. You should thank the West and the Jews for inventions like electricity,airplanes, injections,cars and so much more.
@American Desi: @Ex-Gujju: @Pakistaniat:
Makes me laugh when someone takes credit for inventions of Arab and Persian Muslims but at the same time disown their own citizen, Dr. Abdus Salam, the only Noble Price Winner of the country, just on the basis of religion.
@ To all liberal extremists So that's the deal now, liberal extremists are not against violent version of Islam, they are actually against Islam, any form of it, even to the basics. And those who love Scandanavia, Please leave pakistan and go to West where Hijaz is ban in the "free environment", masjid minars are banned in that "free environment", where you can't say anything about Elizbeth but you can say whatever you like about Prophet Muhammad SAW. Please leave Pakistan!
Maybe they should make Quran education compulsory for all Muslim MPAs and MNAs instead.
Imagine if non-muslim students score higher than muslim students. Then who will we blame? ISRAEL? INDIA? AMERICA? Facebook?
The more I read the papers the more I'm glad I have another passport. I guess I'll have to figure a way how to make my son unlearn everything he learns in school.
@Ex-Gujju: You are completely wrong..... Have a look at the link......http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/how-islamic-inventors-changed-the-world-469452.html
@MarkH: After reading ur comment, I now realize how little u guysknow about islam.....anyway, laughter is good for ur health.....finally, if u know how to browse the net.....just google Islamic inventions....
@MarkH: I suggest u keep laughing......its good for ur health!!!! And it's a free board...also .you can put as many posts as u can!!!!!
@Pakistaniat: Please don't do selective cut and paste to obscure the truth. Here is what your original source says about Algebra: The word algebra comes from the title of a Persian mathematician's famous 9th century treatise "Kitab al-Jabr Wa l-Mugabala" which translates roughly as "The Book of Reasoning and Balancing." Built on the roots of Greek and Hindu systems, the new algebraic order was a unifying system for rational numbers, irrational numbers and geometrical magnitudes. The same mathematician, Al-Khwarizmi, was also the first to introduce the concept of raising a number to a power. Be magnanimous and give credit where it is due.
@Kaalchakra
A true-story for you. My cleaning lady’s daughter recently met a Muslim man and ... has become a Muslim. She now goes around in complete Arab style abaya. Her mother tells me that the young woman’s dream destination is not Saudi Arabia but Pakistan.
Your 'true story' would sound truer if you could tell us
A. In which country did this happen.
B. And did this Muslim man come from a 'Quran Compulsory' school?
C. And was the lady aware of this while choosing Pakistan as her 'dream destination'?http://tribune.com.pk/story/345224/muzaffargarh-revenge-plot-10-women-stripped-one-paraded-naked/
@Pakistaniat: As much as I don't want to post a third since I don't even like posting two in close proximity, I couldn't help but feel the need to inform you that you got a real laugh out of me with that invention nonsense. You guys really do just live in some imaginary world.
How about making the teaching of the Quran official but optional? That would make a whole lot more sense. There's nothing to complain about if it's a choice. Besides, if you really are a country of dedicated and faithful Muslims, it being optional should have no effect as you'll all pick the "yes" option, right? Close down the other places, make it optional, look a little bit more sane. You could use the sane boost especially.
yay. the world is saved now....
@Pakistaniat: Sir, I think you are mistaken about couple of things:
Surgery: " Around the year 1,000, the celebrated doctor Al Zahrawi published a 1,500 page illustrated encyclopedia of surgery that was used in Europe as a medical reference for the next 500 years". That means it was a compilation of existing methods, not new methods. Please check Wikipedia and C-section(Caesarean section).
Flight: I guess you missed reading about Chinese in 5/6th century, Wikipedia again.
Optics: Aristotle and 'intro-mission theory' in Wikipedia as usual.
@ Pakistanis who are making the statement "Minorities will learn ETHICS." Great way to segregate the minorities at school level. After all minority kids need to learn they are different as early as possible. Why don't you make a potion which will teach Quran to the babies in mother's womb or make a chip that directly pass the knowledge to brain.
Genuine concern....How many "Qaris" will be left unemployed in a nation with loads or ecnomic problem??
@James: For the umptien time.... minorities are never required to study Islam in Pakistan... our indian friends are spreading the fitna on this board....
@HS: Its not yar... its not mandatory for minorities... dont you realize its the indian gang poisoning this board by spreading wrong information
@Pakistani Hindu: I dont believe you are pakistani but indian hindu..
in which school were you FORCED to learn islamiyat.. this is not true and is not allowed in Pakistan... I have had hindu friends in Karachi who used to learn ethics and please stop lying....
@vasan: You just had to make a comment... dont you... If you have not read the comments carefully, please do so again.... minorities are NOT required to study Quran, they will study ethics.... I repeat.... Minorities are not required.... so why will this drive minorities out...
The Sindh Government has made Chinese compulsory in schools. http://www.dawn.com/2011/09/04/sindh-to-teach-chinese-language-in-schools-from-2013.html
Does that mean,
A. That Sindh will teach the Quran in Chinese. OR
B. The Sindhis are not Deeni enough.
@munnabhai: If you want to know about islamic inventions, here are few:
Surgery - Around the year 1,000, the celebrated doctor Al Zahrawi published a 1,500 page illustrated encyclopedia of surgery that was used in Europe as a medical reference for the next 500 years. Coffee Now the Western world's drink du jour, coffee was first brewed in Yemen around the 9th century. Flying machine Abbas ibn Firnas was the first person to make a real attempt to construct a flying machine and fly," said Hassani. In the 9th century he designed a winged apparatus, roughly resembling a bird costume. University In 859 a young princess named Fatima al-Firhi founded the first degree-granting university in Fez, Morocco. Her sister Miriam founded an adjacent mosque and together the complex became the al-Qarawiyyin Mosque and University. Still operating almost 1,200 years later, 5. Algebra The word algebra comes from the title of a Persian mathematician's famous 9th century treatise "Kitab al-Jabr Wa l-Mugabala" which translates roughly as "The Book of Reasoning and Balancing." . Optics "Many of the most important advances in the study of optics come from the Muslim world," says Hassani. Around the year 1000 Ibn al-Haitham proved that humans see objects by light reflecting off of them and entering the eye, dismissing Euclid and Ptolemy's theories that light was emitted from the eye itself. Music Among many instruments that arrived in Europe through the Middle East are the lute and the rahab, an ancestor of the violin. Modern musical scales are also said to derive from the Arabic alphabet.I CAN GO ON FOREVER>>>> BUT I THINK THIS WILL CLEAR YOUR MIND BUT THEN I AM SURE YOU WILL HAVE SOMETHING NEGATIVE TO SAY ABOUT ISLAM BUT THATS HOW YOU GUYS ARE RAISED>>>>
Wonder how the Muslims will feel if the western countries and other non-Muslim countries, where millions of Muslims live, make the study of Bible, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism etc. compulsory for Muslims! If you wouldn't like it, how can you impose it on others?
@kaalchakra: "She now goes around in a complete arab style abaya." Wow, thaalian.... eye roll And that's an indication of what? No offense to this particular women, as I don't know her at all, but by your attitude (and based on some past comments of yours I've read), it seems you have a very narrow and shallow view of what makes a good Muslim or a good person. Religion starts from the inside out not the other way around. Stop taking everything at face value.
More to the point, hate to say this, but I'm not so sure how Pakistan will benefit from this resolution. It's really important to know who is teaching it and what message are they sending to these kids. Religion can be easily misinterpreted and used as a weapon to destroy, as we can plainly see. Not to say that's what it does for all of us, there are good apples and bad apples. I personally think religion is and should remain personal; leave it up to parents to choose who and how they want their children taught. Cheers!
I think Minorities will not be required to learn Quran as per the proposal... so they should not be concerned....
Wow, so great, forcing non-muslims to read the Quran too, and if some muslims are forced to read the bible/gitas how would the islamic world response? jihad?fatwa? terrorism?
How about a "Unanimous resolution" and House, united, support for mandatory alleviation of poverty and social justice for all in Pakistan?-----how about it?
Rather have a Diversity & Ethics class instead.
Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IslamicGoldenAge
Well done PML-N . Evolutionist knows the retrogressive evolution as well and how to deal with them .
@Pakistani Hindu: I dont know which school you are talking about. For minorities, Compulsory Islamiyat is replaced with compulsory ETHICS.
Would they teach Bible to christian students too? Besides, Who is going to make sure everybody is satisfied with the translation and comprehension? No sectarian rift here?
@Cynical: i do not agree with you. if you feel it's final world, keep iit to yourself.
and if it's the final world, why in islam the sentence for apostacy is death? can't these final words hold onto the muslim.
@Acorn Guts: You could not have said it any better.
Very right step: the book of the Creator must be understood before we waste time on the books of the creature!
I have no issues with teaching the Quran in the schools but how effective will it be considering that only a fraction of our people actually go through proper schooling; this will also not have an impact on the un-regulated madrissahs.
I remember that our schools used to have 'civics' as a subject! why did we ever give that up???
Very gud Decision. It should be implement. There is no other way to teach all muslim people of Pakistan. There should be one education system which cover all (Quran and Others)
When are you going to grow up and realize that faith has no place in legislation? I'm sure the politicians pushing this nonsense are devout men but they should keep such poisnous behavior inside their homes.
And why the hue and cry over WHO WILL TEACH? Of course, the qualified will be eligible to teach? Isn't it common sense? Why measure all madarsa graduates with the same yardstick? Wouldn't you want specialist teaching the respective courses? Get a life all of you. I studied as a school where music classes were mandatory - i did not like it but I never complained. They are talking about making Quran mandatory - which is just the right thing to do, if you all are ready to open up your minds
@Pakistani Hindu: Crap - minorities are NOT FORCED TO STUDY ISLAMIAT in Pakistan. I have studies with over a dozen of hindu and christian students - they all studies either ethics or their respective religions. Stop making false arguments. Moreover, what wrong is there in making Quaran mandatory at school level? It saves time and money for the parents who do not have to arrange a Qari sahab in the evening. we are a Muslim nation - why do we feel ashamed by such steps? And yes, this IS OUR BIGGEST problem - they day we start practicing the message of Quran - we will not be facing A LOT of these problems. Stop moaning all of you.
One more step towards elimination or driving out the minorities. After that the never ending sectarian war among Pakistanis will become more intense. Friends, get religion out of politics, govt and school. That is the only way to be tolerant and peaceful. Misinterpretations, out of sync with the current time and situation, current social behaviour and cultural trends may go against the teaching of Quran or any religious texts. That combined with the martial tendencies of hardcore religious fanatics is not good for the society.
"Mamdot later told The Express Tribune that madrassas’ interpretation of the Quran was turning children into terrorists. "
And your interpretation will somehow reverse that trend? Should'nt there be less religion not more.
After all the terrorists shout out Gods names before blowing up not Richard Dawkins...
Its a positive step, but minorities should not be forced too. Beside a good doctor, engineer, scientist, professor etc etc teaching of Holy Quran will make us good person.
We send our kids to schools to learn those subjects which we cannot teach them at homes. Less time would be spent on science, maths and other important subjects, if schools are engaged in religious texts. Quran or other religious books should be taught at homes by parents or private tutors and schools should be spared for other subjects.
@Omer wrote ".. we don’t wanna end up like Bani Israels"
In which way are you already not like Bani Israel?
There is a old saying : God disrupts the minds of a person before destroying him. Religion is like salt in food, over dose kills the food. Too much of religion will destroy life. What is a difference between 50 kgs of sand and a man wighing 50 kgs. Made of same Electron, proton and neutorn?
Material life and Religious life are both sides of a balance. One without the other will not balance the life.
You people had gone thorough more than any one else in this world, you deserve peace, love more than any body.
Elementary
Please don't under-estimate Pakistan's appeal. A true-story for you. My cleaning lady's daughter recently met a Muslim man and as Muslims would say, Praise be to Allah for His blessings, has become a Muslim. She now goes around in complete Arab style abaya. Her mother tells me that the young woman's dream destination is not Saudi Arabia but Pakistan.
We ignore Pakistan's rise and focus on what we believe are its disadvantages because we value different things.
One more thing - about a point many others have already begun to raise. It's important to make sure only true Muslims and Arabs or Arabic scholars are appointed to teach these fundamental subjects for Pakistani society. Appointing Ahmadi teachers of Arabic, for instance, will not yield the same results as appointing Muslim teachers.
So it is a little complicated area, but nothing that cannot be easily accomplished.
It's a welcome step. If we have to get to Allah's Shariat first we need to learn Quran and as kaalchakra said even before Quran we need to learn Arabic. Also, we should not introduce any other language along with Arabic, so that complete focus could be on Arabic.
To all those who claim that source of all scientific knowledge came from Islamic countries and through faithful followers of Quran, there is just a minor problem. Being the proud guardians and faithful followers of a great religion, how come the holy book has not made all of its followers into a community of the richest and the most powerful on this planet? China officially has no religion and no one is going to call it a weakling. Now, before you shift the blame to crooked politicians, remember they are also the fortunate followers of the same great scientific religion. So, we have to assume they are great and can do no wrong. No religion or culture can claim to be the main source of all scientific knowledge - not one. You can brag all you want but it doesn't change facts nor does it reduce the length of the line of hopefuls in pakistan and other countries waiting to get a student visa or a green card to a country where the majority do not practice Islam.
The only religious thing many Indian Hindu kids know comes in the form of Bhajans - Like "Om Jai Jagdish" or "Satyam Shivam Sunderam". Thanks to Bollywood - at least the kids know something.
This sounds to me dangerous. Christian children will be required to have a Quran and be near copies of the Quran. It is simply too easy for other children - or parents of other children - to bring charges of blasphemy, claiming that a child scribbled on his or her Quran - or ripped the page - or did something to disrespect it. It is normal for children or parents who may be angry with others to make charges which they later may regret - this happens in all nations and cultures.
With the current problem of easy blasphemy charges in Pakistan, there should be some way for Christians to make clear that they are not anywhere near a Quran, and that it is thus impossible for them to physically disrespect the Quran.
If your Pakistani brothers and sisters in the U.S. were required to learn Christianity in schools - there would be many occasions when they would be troubled, or angry, or appear in a way that Christians might find disrespectful. If this were also punishable - sometimes by death - there would be a great problem for Muslims in the U.S.. Please try to find some option for children who aren't Muslims, to protect them from misunderstandings. I have lived in both the U.S. and Europe and have always striven to protect my Muslim friends from misunderstandings; and I would never have wished that their children would be forced to learn a different religion. However, if they were - I would do my best to make sure that their children were protected.
Indians, are you watching this? You should make teaching of Hinduism, Vedas and Geetha compulsory for all Indians- including Christians, Sikhs and Muslims.
Honestly, tired of this mindless,insane debate about the benefit of mandatory teaching of Quran. Quran is God's message in his own words, which is the last and final message to mankind, that includes non muslims as well.One can find all his answers to life's problems in Quran and as such one doesn't need to read any book other than Quran.
@Taabi:
If “Ikhlaqiat" is a good replacement for a holy book then why not yourself read “Ikhlaqiat"?
@Muhammed Usama Aziz: I would suggest bringing madrassas into mainstream education system ,Quran is already being taught there, they will learn some modern subjects.
@Muslim: You wrote "emphasized textWhat is your parameter to measure their success?" criteria of success is that if anyone living in pakistan is offered Green card and chance to settle in these countries with their families, majority will happily accept it.Now try selling pakistani settlement to a US citizen. It's high time we stopped fooling ourselves and came to terms with the reality.
A great first step but it will not have the necessary impact. As my friend Rex strongly argues on another site, 'learning Islam' without learning Arabic will never solve society's problems. Pakistan must also make Arabic compulsory for the first ten years of each child's life. By then each Pakistani child would have absorbed proper Islamiyat, Islam, and the Quran to be set for a life of success, and peaceful and right living that the Quran has always promoted among Muslims everywhere since millennia.
So the next goal for Pakistan has to be Arabic for all, taught through references to the glorious Quran and to the lives and achievements of the great men and women in the history of Islam.
quranic studies should be compulsary. However can our failed education system really impart the teachings of quran?
As per the article the lady says that at seminaries apart from the Quran all other activities forced children to become terrorists and the idea was to stop this. So it follows that once the Quran is taught in schools all seminaries must be shut down otherwise the objective will not be achieved. This as we know will not happen and we will end up complicating an issue that is already out of hand.
This is completely unfair to the minorities. I would not blame and I think it's time now when all minorities including the Shia ought to bail out of this forsaken place. Let the militant Sunni's implode in good time. India should give special consideration to accommodating Hindu and Christain immigrants.
Why not let parents teach their kids about religion and the quran? The inept state hasn't managed to teach basic sciences let alone a subject that will undoubtedly create controversies of secularism and interpretation. Separate the state from religion and it will solve the controversy immediately.
@shaista jameel: No body is stopping you from learning science as it does not contradict Qur'an. You can see the signs of the Creator, more you read the study the science.
@Pakistani Hindu: No non muslim should be forced to read Qur'an as it goes against islamic teaching. But for Muslims solution to all theire problems lies in the holy book, provided if they are sincere in their quest . Khalid
This has always been our mistake, be it in sports, social life, family name, religion etc...we always live in the past. Who cares if your father was a big guy or noble family (Syed, Jatt etc), we should lean to live in the present. The same for Muslims, who cares if 1000 years ago we had few smart men...where are we now..and even more why do we compare religion with every thing else, being religious is one thing and being successfully or educated in present terms is another thing. Secondly we always try to make these unnecessary laws and approve that with 100% support, i think is just a self fulfilling thing...I don’t care make Quran studies mandatory in Islamic school, increase the standard of Islamic school to a level were everyone wants to go there but don’t force people into it everywhere. Finally how ...how will reading Quran help reduce terrorism..??? All the terrorist we currently have are studying Quran as we speak...
@Muslim: You are typical blinded by religion. Islam is a religion of illiterate tribal people.
@Muhammed Usama Aziz: If you are stupid, you don't have to exibit it. In fact Islam and Science are completely opposite. Islam leads to the Dark Age while Science leads to Renaissance.
It means more money to the mullahs with no advantage to the society. How come Quran can't be taught in Islamiyat class?
@omer, @Muslim
You are questioning MJ's definition of success. BEfore doing that check the lines outside the embassies to US, UK, Canada Australia for people wanting to go there. Then check the lines outside Pak embassy in those countries and see how many people want to come to Pakistan. That should tell you what most people consider success. Mind you it is not just money related. It relates to better law and order, more tolerance, greater choice in everything from food to music to entertainment options. SO it is an overall quality of life issue.
And before people pile on and say people want to emigrate out of India too - ofcourse many people do since poverty is still widespread in India However percentage of people emigrating from Pakistan each year is much higher than India.
we must take care of the interests of minorities aswell, what if there are some non-muslims students in the school as well? they must not be forced to have any of the islamic teachings.
@Mj: Socaily and economically developed coutnries are successful because they have applied lots of Rules which Quran teaches that's why they have been so successful. I.e welfare state, Education, Rule of Law, Human Rights, Equality, Freedom of Religion etc.
I hope you understood now.
@Muhammed Usama Aziz: What was Noah's arc?
JazakAllah a very good step, Quran has got solution to all problems we are facing. Now it is the responsibility of Punjab Govt to implement this resolution in true spirit. Can other assemblies follow punjab assembly on this resolution, what about National Assembly
@Muslim:
Usually success is measured with what is a good life. How many children live on to become adults, how many poor people, death rates of mothers, children, crime rates, murder rates and on and on...
We are all Muslims. Learned to read the Quran as a child. Many even with translation. Some of us also learned Arabic. If I am to guess, I would say that nearly all literate Muslims have read the Quran and what do we have to show for as a society
One of the highest murder rates One of the highest drug addiction rate Some of the highest prostitution rates 1 in 11 children dying before age 5 years 20,000 mothers dying every year while giving birth Need I go on
Brother first look inside our own Greeban then throw stones at others
Learning the Quran, its meaning and application is the best education a muslim can get. Everything else comes after. If this initiative had been taken a decade back, we would have a righteously guided and strong willed generation of working men. Imparting the teachings of Quran is the answer to reducing crime and ill-fate (if that makes do as the term) of the countrymen. Besides, understanding the Quran only compliments getting higher education, keeping good ethics, protecting your fellow brothers/sisters from mental or physical trauma and representing the muslim community with the right intentions and right knowledge.
@munnabhai: go and read history!! you would come to know that all the great inventions were done by Muslims. Ship was first invented by Hazrat Nooh (A.S.), travelling in air was first used by Hazrat Sulaiman (A.S.) and moreover, Quran is used by scientist form all over the world because the knowledge one get from it are unlimited.
@Mj: I think teaching Quran is also part of education. Religious education is as much important as modern education!!
@John B Yes I agree with you but since complete understanding of Quran is not an easy task, so there ought to be an institution where Quran should be taught, be it school or madressah or academy whatever
@Muslim:
Mention any great islamic inventions or discoveries that have revolutionsized the world? - nothing great. Most of the so called great islamic inventions had to purpose to transfeer tye kwonpedge from India to Europe. Does it ring any bells,sweetie?
So the government is going to force us to teach quran, it doesn't whether we want to teach them or not.
Dear Muslim, You wrote, "the Muslims who actually progressed Science some 1000 years ago have been avid follower of Quran & Sunnah" Please name one. Ibn e Sina, Farabi, Ibn e Rushd or Ibn e Khuldoon, who do you regard as 'avid follower of quran or sunna'? Please read them. Reading books enriches and enlightens. The above statement I quoted from your post is plain false. Some of those early Muslim philosophers-scientists were not monists. Instilling fear and superstition is not conducive to knowledge and inquiry.
@ Muslim. Scandinavian countires do not have the highest suicide rates in the world. Sweden is number 30 according to WHO. and Suicide rate is just one standard of living. Data in pakistan is not even recorded so no-one really knows our own rates.
In terms of actual standard of living Muslim countries come far behind others.
I wonder what the Quran has to say about teaching the quran in school? Something about freedom to choose or not?
yo yo Mr. Atul
dont get offended mate, all i meant was the major bunch, and if you get to go to the Britsih Libraries, or the German national library, you may find books what gives you the insight i am talking about:)
@ all those crying at Quran being taught in schools: Quran being taught in school is far better than Quran being taught in a madrissah. Contrary to madrissah where there are no checks, hopefully schools will hire learned people, pay them, and hold them accountable for things that are not acceptable.
No matter who teaches it, the message will remain the same ...
@Samir:
Been there dude. One thing you forgot to mention, highest suicide rate & nordic depression about Scandinavian Countries.
As for the inventions, its funny because the Muslims who actually progressed Science some 1000 years ago have been avid follower of Quran & Sunnah. And there have been many liberals in Muslim communities in the past 500 years who were against the religion to start with.. Like you said nothing in 500 years that Muslims achieved.. Rings the bells?
@Elie Khan: First time I came to know that all the knowledge we see to day is what was left of the Bagdad libraries fires....Great Insight ...Please start a movement to ban all research in science medicine etc because all the knowledge that we need is already in the books left of the Bagdad libraries Fire.
Quaran is a book of God and encompasses all the good knowledge in the Universe. Making the Quaran study mandatory will benefit everyone. In fact since it contains all the knowledge required for mankind, other subjects should be made optional. In a way it is insulting to offer all other man made subjects in the same platform as Quaran!
@muslim. Go to the Scandinavian countries you ignoramus and you'll see what success is. Free education, free healthcare, a working judiciary that imparts justice to all regardless of their social status and a competant police force that can't be bribed into acting like criminals. Now compare that to Pakistan! Muslim countries are by far the most vile countries one can live in. And by the way everyone who hates the west so much here, why are you even on a computer??! Go play with muslim inventions.. oh thats right.. THEY HAVEN'T INVENTED ANYTHING IN THE LAST 500 YEARS!
i dont know why people literally hate religion:/
look guys as far as it goes with respect to the minorities, In our Peshawar education board there used to be (and still is) a subject which is an alternative for islamiat for the minorities. the rest of us its mandatory upon us by religion to learn about the words of God, and yeah the west dont follow the Quran is what one gentleman stated, read history sire, the knowledge what we see today is what was left of the Baghdad libraries fires...
Dumbing down of citizens is an important business of government in the Muslim world. Religion is commonly used to keep people ignorant and loyal.
It is offcourse optional for non-Muslims already. There is a subject called "Ikhlaqiat" or Ethics which non-Muslims study. Nobody can force them to study Deenyat/Islamyaat or Quran.
Another vocation for Molvis.
What interpretations of the Quran will be taught? Who will supervise to ensure that the teacher does not insert extremist interpretations into the teachings? Will children then also be taught the perspectives of other religions? Societies which are heterogenous (in terms of religion or anything else) tend to foster tolerance. Conversely, homogenous cultures are breeding grounds for extremism and intolerance. Pakistan needs a very large influx of non-Muslims to balance out its inbred attitudes towards religion.
It should be optional for non-Muslims and they should be allowed to chose some other course if they want to.
who will teach them
Without reading the details, I knew this must be the Punjab assembly. And after reading it, no surprises. These followers of Zia have already brought religion in every sphere of life, and then have gradually replaced it with their version of radical Islam. Now they want to convert the entire next generation with radicals. Well done PML-N.
@Mj:
What is success.....killing innocents muslims in the name of war on terror....Muslims were the true leaders when they had Quran as their quiding light......we like it or not but the only way to success for us muslims is in Quran and true teaching of Sunnah.....we cannot succeed if we just follow our enemies blindly.....TRY and see! but as I said Allah knows whats best for us
What a teacher can do in school when people do not give respect to Quran in streets.. fill this gap first..
If they're teaching Quran to every child then they should also make it mandatory for these students to study subjects like ethics and philosophy at the higher level so that some of the brain-washing done to them is reversed.
Hats off to Punjab Assembly. Finally they've seen light. They've realized that the solution lies in the Qur'an.
If this is implemented and the people see light, it will hopefully also be the beginning of the end for fraudulent businesses in the form of Mazars, Pirs, taweez makers etc.
Teaching the Quran is fine, but who will be the teachers?
@Muhammad Usama Aziz: Parents can teach their children about Quranic comprehension and education. If the parents don't know how to teach Quran, then they should not call themselves as Muslims.
Who will teach Quran with comprehension in schools? Obviously, only all the seminary students and they will now have a direct route to be employed in schools as Quran teachers. Now, the "accused terrorist education of madrassas" will become state education policy. Good going.
@Mir: Your question is irrelevant since when do non Muslims have any say in policy making in PAK.
Imagine the catholic school nuns allowing mullahs to teach the comprehensive Quranic education by Mullahs ( or alike). The picture in my mind makes me smile!
@Muhammad Usama Aziz: "If Quran will not be taught in schools, would you please give an alternative of where it will be taught?"
In homes, madrassas, and mosques? Leave schools for imparting education, not indoctrination.
Alright, if they teach Quran, whats wrong with it? In madaaris, you say they are producing terrorists (which is not reality) At school, if they teach you, you people act like someone put you on a fire. Where would you study then? at homes? People dont even know the total rakaa'ts of a Namaz, and we all know how Many read and try to Understand Quran at homes.
I am sure if a music subject were induced rather than this, all would be appreciating it.
Criticizing and going against anything in favor of Islam is fashion and Trend on ET, and all over Pakistan now.
@to all haters If Quran will not be taught in schools, would you please give an alternative of where it will be taught? You guys only knows to criticize any thing which is related to Islam, even if it be a perfectly valid issue!!
@Mj:
They are successful? What is your parameter to measure their success? Is it the money? or the big buildings? or the free sale of sex? or what?
What is the parameter of success anyway?
Have you been to any of these so called successful societies? Name any? I have been to most... It looks flashy from the far side... But it gets to you.. you feel disgusted when you come across a place where most of the people live in debts all their lives, the credit card debts, the mortgage, the tremendous load of taxes, the constant pressure of your sons & daughters to get into sexual activities & drugs at high schools & colleges. You earn big bucks you end up paying big bucks... This is the story of the land being considered "the most successful" in the world. What is successful in this?
Believe it or not, the police department here conducted a study some months ago and you will be mad to find out that in US, Muslim communities have the least rate of crimes, prostitution, illiteracy. Muslims communities have most inclination towards family life. Muslims have been less stressful and Muslims organizations are running many shelter homes and helping to provide free food. Now let me ask you, where did Muslims learn all this from? Its the Quran... That 1400 year old Quran... Mind it!
Is it mandatory for non muslims learn Quran? or not.
I think its a good step. Learning the essence of Quran will definitely help the youth to realize that the terrorism, roberies, street crimes are all the sins in Islam. It will also help them nurture their personalities to focus more towards scientific issues as there is no conflict between science & Islam. Most of the problems in our society from stupid jirgas in rural areas, forced conversions of minorities to Islam, acid on women's faces, honor killings will be solved when the people will realize that it is strictly against the Islamic teachings...
Our leaders (both so called religious & the non religious) should learn & understand the Quran too. They might fear Allah then and do good!
Get the wrong translation in the syllabus and you'll have a whole generation of Pakistanis causing sectarian divides. Get the teachers wrong and you have yourself a whole generation of mislead souls ready to destroy the roots of the country.
Understanding Quran is what is important but teaching Quran is a thin wire that we've decided to tread upon. I personally don't expect our politicised system to get this one right. Unfortunate as it is.
@Omer true bro! Better to teach it ourself rather than get these children sent to fake religious people who teach terrorism for money
@Omer: Are the economically and socially developed countries teaching Quran? How come they are successful without injection of religion into every sphere of life?
Quran needs to be the number 1 priority if we really need to succeed in this world and hereafter.....PERIOD!........Our creator knows whats best for us and Quran is HIS word.....we don't wanna end up like Bani Israels
What about the teaching of science,evolution? teach the children of how the world works,broaden their minds,they get enough religious indoctrination at home,through the multiple 24/7 mazhabi channels and at school.
Good step, but also focus on the real issues of public
Is this a joke or what??? We were already forced to study Islamiyat in school.. and now Quran? C'mon... what's wrong with you people.. :(
Is this the biggest issue Pakistan was facing these days? why don't the leaders spend their time solving the problems of loadshedding,high prices,robberies and street crimes and terrorist attacks? what has happened to our priorities?