QUETTA: Supporting the US congressional bill on Balochistan, Baloch Republican Party’s self-exiled chief Brahamdagh Bugti has welcomed all foreign intervention in the province whether it is by the US, Nato or India.
“America must intervene in Balochistan and stop the ethnic cleansing of Baloch people,” said Brahamdagh, 30, as reporters listened with rapt attention to his telephonic address on Wednesday at the Quetta Press Club. “We know that foreign countries have their personal interest but we must think of our greater interest.”
A resolution was introduced on February 17 by Congressman Dana Rohrabacher and co-sponsored by two other congressmen in the US House of Representatives, calling upon Pakistan to recognise the Baloch people’s right to self determination. The bill has outraged Pakistan and leaders and lawmakers have called it against the country’s sovereignty and an unwelcome intervention by the US.
“Baloch women, political leaders, activists, students, writers, poets, professors and intellectuals are being subjected to enforced disappearances and undergoing torture for years. Their mutilated bodies turn up daily. Under such circumstances, we will welcome the support of foreign countries,” he said. “We have been accused of getting support from India but the Baloch movement does not have any foreign support. However, we will welcome any support for independence.”
Balochistan, Pakistan’s least developed but largest province by area, has undergone a separatist insurgency since the country’s inception. The insurgency escalated into rampant violence after the 2006 murder of Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti, the grandfather of Brahamdagh Bugti.
“The American resolution and committee formed for Balochistan is not against the sovereignty of Pakistan. Every country has the right to interfere or intervene [in another’s affairs] if there are state-sponsored human rights violations,” he said.
‘They are protecting Punjab’s sovereignty’
Sceptical of mainstream politicians’ and media attention to Balochistan’s affairs, Brahamdagh said the change of heart was rooted in apprehensions over Punjab’s sovereignty. “Pakistani politicians like Nawaz Sharif are now visiting Balochistan and inquiring about the plight of Baloch people. There are discussions and talks on TV channels and print media in recent days about Balochistan. Because they are now worried about the sovereignty of Punjab and [want] to protect Punjab’s interest.”
If they were sincere, he said, they should have raised the issue of enforced disappearances, mutilated bodies of Baloch youth and leaders earlier.
Reiterating his stance that there is violation of human rights in Balochistan by security forces and agencies, Brahamdagh said that Army Chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani had said that there was no military operation in the province and must stop denying the truth now.
Brahamdagh pointed out that if the lawmakers believe that the situation in Dera Bugti, Kohlu and adjoining areas is normal, they should allow free access to the region for journalists, international humanitarian organisations and citizens.
When asked about an all-parties conference that Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani had announced over the crisis in Balochistan, Brahamdagh said that Baloch nationalist leaders will not join negotiations. “One the one hand, they are calling an APC while on the other, they are brutally killing Baloch people and throwing their bullet-riddled, mutilated bodies,” he said.
Brahamdagh called on Balochistan Governor Zulfiqar Magsi and Chief Minister Nawab Aslam Raisani to also join the Baloch movement, leaving behind their “temporary” and “personal” interest as they will not achieve anything but humiliation from supporting the Pakistani government. “If they do not want to join the movement, they should resign from office and sit quietly because the Baloch movement is nearing its destination. Efforts are being made to unify the rank of Baloch leaders.”
When asked about the recent killing of his sister and niece in Karachi, Brahamdagh said that such brutalities will not compel him to withdraw or surrender from the struggle.
He also lashed out at the ultra-conservative Difa-e-Pakistan Council, which has announced a public gathering on February 27 in solidarity with the Baloch people. “Where were they when Baloch women, children and youth were being picked up and brutally killed by security forces? There is no influence of Jihadi elements in Balochistan. These religious parties are backed by security agencies,” he said.
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@Ahsan Mlk:sir;im a thevar tamil 4m chennai,tamilnadu,India & 1st a proud Indian.Let me b clear sir that ur highly mistaken for tamils ARE NOT BEING KILLED BY THE INDIAN GOVT. We tamils are v. much Indian & love our India,tho im of the opinion that India shud not entangle itself with Balochistan.JAI HIND.
@Fahad Karam It is not a shotgun. Cool though.... :D
Shehzan Bugti says he doesnt want separation , Legharis dont want that Jamalis dont want that & many others dont want separation, I do agree that all the tribes say that there are many problems in Balochistan which should end, but all of them just want these problems to end but not a separate country, & I hope Balochistans Problems solve & also there is no Impact of people such as Barahamdagh on Baloch brothers.
@ RAM: "We are not involved" That is hillarious. I thought we were having a serious discussion. And what are you going to say about the role of 18 indian consulates in Afghanistan. Your comments about that will surely make Umer Sharif laugh too.
@lida- India trying to pull a bangladesh . . .its like trying to put a square peg in a round hole. . .that's how rediculous it is!! We Baloch love Pakistan and have nothing in common with India.
These Baluch leaders are rich & educated themselves,then why do they keep their fellow poor people as slaves...?.
This govt needs to get a grip on the Balochistan situation. This is a ticking timebomb
@Pakistani No need to thank Indians as we are not involved. It is the USA, your one time friend, that is publicly passing a resolution interfering in your affairs!! You guys don't seem to make any strong protest. instead you are justifying and finding reasons. Better late than never
Pakistan has a geo-stability problem. In terms of physics, its centre of gravity makes it unstable, as it has a east leaning small head on top(AJK) and a west leaning huge bottom(balochistan). Any shape like that will topple over. To bring stability, the top right, and bottom left must be sliced out and the rest of the country will look vertical and peaceful. ItsTime, AJK was surrendered back to India, and Balochistan , which is now an international problem, be given independence. It will help pakistans economy be more stable too!
Before you guys accuse Indians for Kashmir, look at what is happening in Baluch. Barahmdagh is fighting for freedom & you guys better understand their aspirations
the amount of money to sardars which was provide to them as roylaty of gas never went down to the people of land, so i think not only government but sardars them self also went wrong
@Zeta: We Indians never live in fantasies. The fact is that We have been shaken up enough by Pakistan right from 1947 by attacking Kashmir and there on unto Kargil. We never have been left alone to fantasize. That luxury is yours with the help of dreams woven around by all the rulers combined. Now another fantasy is there that we are going to intervene in Balochistan. Please be assured nothing like this is going to happen as we have many serious things to do for our own benefit and growth.
Pakistan being a firm believer in the rights of self-determination of oppressed people must offer to hold a plebiscite and if the Baloch vote for independance Pakistan should be proud and happy that it has upheld its convictions. After all Pakistan is an honourable nation unlike ..... India.
@Zimmerman: You have again jumped on Kashmir rhetoric and missed the point. I have only said that Balochistan or Kashmir the problem will have to be dealt with by civilian leadership and not Army. Please cool down and think.
@Fareed: Why Army should expose why not the Government of Pakistan.?
Well, the Indians should understand that they need to be out of Pakistan matters. The Indians claim that they don't care about Pakistan as they are so ahead of us. Meanwhile, they are always commenting on our forums/news sites. This reminds me of the Tom n Jerry cartoon. Where, Tom was bigger than Jerry but at the end had big concerns for him.
@Frantic is talking of tamils
see sri lanka tamil war they died like insects see youtube.
tamils killed rajiv gandhi they supoort ltte.
@blithe: What about Pakistan Occupied Kashmir if Kashmir is an international disputed area. You call it Azad Kashmir with a prime minister..etc. Why include it as part of your map.. show it separate and not include it
I think Brahmdagh have gained a lot from Pakistan and wanted to get more for his own personal interest. He is asking help from those who cant be friend of his religion and his civlization, his turban, his beared. But perhaps he has thrown the asset of his turban and wanted to rule and forgot that Alexander's once ruled, and had to confine to one grave.
@Ad Baloch: The same could be said of you. These comments cannot be from a true Baloch. You want freedom from Pakistan only to be enslaved by US and other dominant powers in the region and be used against Iran? There is nothing but more destruction in store for the Baloch nation if we go down this road. But i am with you on resisting abductions and killing of our people by the security forces.
He is angry, and he is absolutely right!!!! They(balochs) have no gas for their use, but we are burning every drop of it......killing them.......extreme measures (positive ones) should be taken immediately in favor of Baluchistan.......or in next cricket world cup, we may be playing against team Baluchistan as a friendly, brotherly match as Bangladesh!!!
@Abid P. Khan: An apt analysis which gives an insight to the problem. I am glad you have avoided discussing the alleged outside interference which is embedded by the GOP into peoples mind without addressing the real issues as brought out by you. As such India does not gain by destabilsing Pakistan since fall out of the same would be immense from across the border. Manmohan Singh is doing a wonderful job by trying to normalise relations with Pakistan but the progress is slow since many forces in Pakistan are against it due to their self interest rather than the country's welfare which is indeed a sad state of affairs. However, it is sincerely hoped that Pakistan addresses the genuine grievances of the Balochis and avoid further fragmentation of the country.
@Mir Chakar Mazari: Mr Mazari if all leader were here and fighting .... would have been dead by now. Some of them have to stay alive to keeps things rotating. Did not he (B.B) lost his family members? Or you are the other kind of Baloch who wants to enjoy the temporary positions being gifted by pakis. Come on man.... raise your voice and join hands for struggle. What i think these comments can not be from a true Baloch.
its funny to see the tosser indians commenting here in favor of bugti. he is one very well known feudal sardar on payroll of CIA/RAW,The 50-60 other sardars are as loyal to Pakistan as anybody else.
Bugti doesn't even care about his own tribe. His father exiled 1000 of bugtis to Multan and other areas. Killed hundreds of own men. Cause of constant risk of security. The indians with their 11 consulates in afghanistan doing well in aiding him of money and weapons for terrorist activities.
These free of job indians here are probably too brainwashed about their own country that simply ignore all that going around in their own backyard and come here lash out at us.
Take a look at this and perhaps start worrying about your own selves. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=INSStMLUsSg
@Whatever: Don't talk so big. You're too chaotic to defend against even one sub-par front right now. Try another and you wouldn't last a week. Hypothetically, the US/NATO could destroy most of the countries who talk big in your area in under 2 weeks. They did it to Afghanistan and Iraq. The only thing that took longer was having a mindset of not wanting to abandon them after the fact. It's no challenge if it's just a destroy and abandon mindset. Though, luckily for you, they're not big on the abandoning thing because they know not everyone is bad.
@Ahsan Mlk: uh, what are you on exactly? There are no border killings on either border of the US. Most of the border talk has to due with people sneaking in to work. Not cause real problems or crime beyond dodging paperwork. We don't kill people for that. But that's just Mexico. Canada... Well, they're fun to pick on but you probably couldn't have a better country to border you when it comes to problems appearing. They're more or less considered completely equal with a couple unique stereotype jokes attached which they probably have their own versions of for people in the US as well. You just can't truly hate or be suspicious of Canada. They're harmless.
shame on your view, you do not even know the spellings of " Baloch". Go back to school then leave a comment. @Bloch:
As a direct consequence of your warning the whole world is shaking in its boots!
**Ther are many elements behind least devolepments of Balochistan but we cant ignore the big fictor is these socalled Nawabs too and once all the occupiers leaves afghanistan then we gonna see hpw these traiters sitting in izrael get seprated..
Dana Rohrabacher has sponsored 129 bills since Jan 3, 1989 of which 112 haven't made it out of committee and 3 were successfully enacted.
Here is the complete profile of him and his former bills
And here is his current standing of bill which all of us are concerned about.
These so called leaders (who live in exile) of Balochistan should be stripped of their citizenship.The less said about the US role is better. US is playing to the gallery.It's just another attempt to arm twist Pakistan to have unlimited access within it's territory to fly drones and uninterrupted NATO supplies.
To all Indians here, why you guys keep nosing into Pakistan’s affairs. You guys are obsessed with us. Please go and solve your own problems. The truth is all your states wants independence as well. It is funny how you guys go on about how big and mighty India is, yet you can’t drive us out of your minds. It’s a shame, mostly no Pakistani ever comments on your Newspapers because we don't want to read what goes around your country.
Whether this may be our music or newspapers, everywhere there is some Indian gimp going on about what 'THEY' think about the situation. We got rid of you years ago as WE DON'T NEED YOUR OPINION. .
Balochistan belongs to Pakistan,as does Kashmir,India,Japan and Timbuctoo.
Amendmen: Its USD 15,000 and not 16,000.
His main source of income was from commission he extracted from Sui (natural) gas fields amounting estimated £1 million a year and provided security to the fields for estimated £15000 per month.His province despite having enormous mineral riches has remained backward since Pakistan's independence. After an armed struggle started in Balochistan in 2004, Bugti was widely perceived as a leader but went underground in 2005. On August 26, 2006, after several attempts were made on his life in the preceding months, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NawabAkbarBugti#cite_note-2)
short of funding to run anti state gangs are we??
POINTS TO PONDERThere are 13 Indian consulates in Afghanistan bordering Pakistan intervening inside Balochistan. One of my cousin in Pak Army told us they captured a young afghan guy in Balochistan carrying bags full of chopped heads of several persons included martyered Pak Army personals, balouchs, Punjabis and different other casts and was on his way back to Afghanistan. He confessed that he used to get US dollars for each head from these Indian consulates where rates of Pak Army personals were according to their ranks. Few Bolach Sardars are involved in Indian-sponsored human rights violations just for the sake of money. They have their personal armies who wear FAKE Pak Army and FC Uniforms and they kept of killing innocnets people there and never wanted any sort of development in Baloch istan province. Even Late Nawab Akbar Bugti ruled Baluchistan as Governor for 1 year and as Chief Minister for 14 months but he never took any steps to develop Baluchistan... Brahamdagh Bugti has met several times with RAW chief in New Delhi as well as was found meeting with Afghan Intelligence's Safe House along with CIA officials. These proofs, when given to US authorities, resulted in statement of the then US seceretry of state Condaliza Rice as "ISI of Pakistan is getting out of its shoe" and immedate bomb blast in front of Indian Ambessy in Kabul...The balme was put on ISI. The famous web site www.wikipedia.org once documented clearly that Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti used to get £ 1 million per annum as royalty from Sui fields as well as USD 16,000 per month as security fee of Sui fields (from whom??) but these statements have been removed by the website clearly indicating the internation influence not to show these sardars as selfish traitors what they actually are.
@blithe: Kashmir is an issue between the Indian state and the Kashmiris where Pakistan has forcefully entered and has made it into an international dispute. By the way, it is almost over now. You just cannot get Kashmir. The rest of it is an internal issue of India.
Balochistan was an internal issue of Pakistan which has recently been internationalized by USA ( and not India ). USA has through history been the greatest aid-provider and supporter of Pakistan in the subcontinent. Even almost all of your military hardware is of US origin.
So you better get the real bottomline. Kashmiris do not want to join Pakistan. They however appreciate Pakistani help for aazadi. Baloch do not want to be in Pakistan. They seek US, NATO, Indian help for seccession.
It is amazing that Pakistanis take such a dire view of Baloch demand for justice and right to self-determination when they don't hesitate to demand the same for Kashmiris. Isn't this the height of hypocrisy? Worse, more than 300,000 Baloch have been killed by the Paksitani military since the formation of Pakistan. That is more than seven times the number of total deaths in Kashmir in the same period!
What is Balochistan? European countries changed their borders in 1989 and several of them even much later. Looking back at history, we see many marriages among the blue blooded were for the sake of alliances, aiming at becoming an invincible power against the enemy. One could always invent a reason for invading neighbours or places even further away.
History of Balochistan province, is not radically different from this, the borders and sovereignty have been fluid over the centuries. Kurds and Baloch have been one people who established a state bordering the eastern coast of Van Lake, in Eastern Turkey. This group of Perso-European people have coordinated, cooperated and at times taken to sword against the Semitic people.
Due to historic reasons, social development did not reach the same standard as Dilli, Lucknow or Lahore. This area has retained its tribal character and several attitudes that go back several centuries. Under the Raj it was found convenient to retain this "serfdom" both in Balochistan and the areas lying North West of Durand Line, alternating between bribes and the use of guns.
Pakistani governments, in all their wisdom continued the same policy of maintaining political agents as the colonialists. Halfhearted measures were taken to amalgamate Baloch people in the mainstream but without any startling result.
For the rulers Sardars or feudals who have been ruling the roost in the capital, it has been easier to maintain a working relationship with each other. Neither of them, have cared even a fickle about the real needs or aspirations of the ruled class. Education and uplift of the masses have always been on the back burner.
Despite the thought controller's claim people or not enemies of each other. Its the age old method of pitting one group of people against the other which has been practiced. Unless the awareness level of democratic values rises, the ritual of voting every 4-5 years is a silly exercise to maintain sham democracy. .
thanks god MQM or altaf hussain is not named here.
After few days and weeks, things would be quieter and people will forget everything ... media will search for a new sensation and agencies will keep on doing their job... Nato supply will be open and American will keep quite.. Elites will enjoy their life and poor will be sufferer... Election will take place and similar people will come to power.. They will keep on allocating 50% for the army and democracy will win.. Army in return will keep on protecting baloch people from "foreign hand"....
A Human Right Activist..
Its funny how the indians are going berserk over this statement. This man is sitting in switzerland, a feudal landlord who doesnt care about his own people... Indians... keep on dreaming... Balouchistan is not Kashmir... grow up....
at least i am done with Pakistan and i am not a Baloch. I can safely imagine what must be going through his head.
@Bloch:pakisani should let people of balochintan control of there resore not lord bughti.
Well the mullahs must be sulking that he chose the great satan rather then them. This alone shows he he is an intelligent man
Recently the celebrated journalist and human rights wrote about the establishment's "denial writers". Knowing the obsessive hatred the Establishment has for Brahamdagh Bugti, its paid scribes appear to be in full force on this page today (using many faces as possible, including so-called 'Indians" commentators)
bugti family was taken money from the goverment last 40 to 50 years.did they build any thing for people of balochistan,no they did not all the money they took spend on there family who live out side of the country,wake up this is 22 centry and they want to control the people and there resorcis ,if pakistani realy care about balochi people they should get ride of all the bughti's and create some thing that people of balochistan control there resorcs not bughti lord.
Baloch legit demands should be met, on the other hand young and idealist Baloch leaders should be realistic, in my view foreign intervention in domestic issues is not warranted.
Our so-called 'political leadership and military establishment' are doing the same thing to the Baloch people that they did to the Bengalis and what happened? We were deprived of East Pakistan. Naturally, the Balochis want out as well. Can't really blame Mr. Bugti...
If my 60 year old ailing grandfather had been murdered by the state, I'd probably share similar thoughts to Brahamdagh Bugti.
Why did Musharraf congratulate the SSG who carried out the task the day after the killing?
Barhamdagh need a hair cut first!
Zardari has to send Lyari boys to talk with the Bugti :-)
I feel sorry for the moderators who have to sort through the deluge of comments on this page. Good luck guys lots of crazies here!
Less than 1% in Balochistan, the NAWABs, are those who are not happy because they are not receiving those huge sums that they used to receive in the past.
Also, the person who is talking about the poors in Balochistan; his family has been receiving all the money for his tribesmen for government of Pakistan.... Ask him why,other than his family, they never let ANY ONE in his tribe get EDUCATED????? Now when he can see FUDALISM uprooting, then he is crying for intervention...... Power monger!
You are talking about 3 districts; that you and your fellows kept in misery for money.... why you are forgetting the rest of the tribes????? 85% ..... a HUGE majority..... why they are not crying for power like you are??? You are a traitor.... Face it!
Coward..... face the evil deeds...... face the crying of poor that you and your elders kept uneducated and suppressed......
I always think that geographically speaking Pakistan is located at the wrong part of South Asia because the heart of Pakistan movement was in Delhi, UP, Bihar, and Bengal region of British India. I really doubt Balochistan and other tribal lands were ever part of Gupta/Mughal India. Actual boundary of present day Pakistan ends at the Indus river. The area west of Indus river was civilized during Budhhist Gandhara period. There is no way to get rid of their tribal structure overnight. The only option is to accept and respect them the way they are. Civilian Pakistani leadership can definitely solve the problem within Pakistani constitution.
I can't believe how people tend to hate their own brothers within the same country and prefer foreign intervention over solution with one's own brethren. Here the people are neglecting a fact that every one is eager to support the foreign intervention when dollars are raining but in the meanwhile this would lead towards doom. The question is that although balochistan is rich in minerals and stuff and for this you would be asking independence, have you ever thought whether you will have the resources to extract these minerals, and if you do then don't be naive to think that America will let you use it that easily. A well wisher of the Baloch people is not the one who does not even know the condition of the poor baloch masses who are only used as a source of vote bank or to speak on their behalf for independence, while the majority are worried about earning even a one time meal for their socially and economically depraved family. Have the sardars seen that torment of hunger?No. they just know how to talk like a chatterbox and give statements day after day. He doesn't even know the consequences of the independence of Balochistan. The moment balochistan parts away from Pakistan, it would be as if a piece of meat thrown in front of furious hungry dogs, and believe me Kashmiri people have atleast kept their land and have created a resistance in front of Indians for long sixty years, Balochistan would stand no chance, and these will be the people who will be having fun with the foreign currency and the common Baloch left to suffer because of their insensitive decision.
Why people are comparing Kashmir and Balochistan Freedom Movement? Our president is baloch. our PM in 2002 was baloch..Balochistan have 1/4 representation in our Senate..Then why do we have to listen what crooks like Brahamdagh Bugti?
India is not going to intervene, in any way, in Baluchistan. The reason is, India believes that intervention in internal affairs of other countries, unless compelled by an attack or genocide that causes refugee problems, is not good for India. Period. End of discussion.
So for Baluchistan to become a free state, Pakistan has to implode economically from inside, just as soviet union and the constituting units become seperate countries.
It is not about getting an independent state or staying within Pakistan, the question is if Balochistan does become an independent state, will that solve all the problems being faced by Baloch brothers?? I believe it will not unless Balochistan people elect honest people who then work for the betterment of the whole society. This formula is not just restricted for Balochistan for all societies, as this is how societies have evolved over the years.
i respect this guys courage,.
Very sad at all the happenings. Yes there should be a talk by all Pakistani Nationals for giving of royality to Baluchistan.
The resources should be given the same international price as we are going to offer other countries.
Is it not enough for opening eyes of government
@blithe: You are correct. Baluchistan wasn't an international dispute but now it is. The movement is grabbing worldwide attention
@Ahmad: Isn't Pakistan's friendship with China based on the same principle?
The Canadian agencies believe that Pakistan will break up and fragmented with civil wars in the next 20-50 years with islamists and fanatics taking over. Most western countries have alreday made contingency plans as they always do and are ahead in the game of global positioning and economic trends. They also think that Indian successs story and Indian domination will continue whether we like it or not and thats why they have stopped supporting Free Kashmir movement. Even our own bossom friend China is staying away in Kashmir matters. I think we are heading for a disaster of our own making and not the that of CIA-Mossad-RAW and everybody else as we would like to believe. I am a pakistani expat, a proud Canadian citizen now and am glad that I am not part of this national consensus on digging our own grave. What hurts me is several expat people like me are dead scared of coming to pakistan evven for a short holiday. It brings tears to my eyes to say that our country is not safe and that we have not learnt from the history (1971, Kargill, Afghanisthan) and now Baluchistan. Many thanks
Dr Kadar Khan FRCS
also hilarious that this man has been photographed meeting RAW officials (as per several former officials, including president musharraf himself) in india. so what is he lying about?
Pakistani's should drink tea more and discuss this problem in their drawring rooms more :)
Reality is far away - please if you are seriously concern please visit the camps for missing persons. Dont want to say anymore...
NO BALOCI, NO SINDHI, NO PUNJABI, NO PATHAN,
this is the message that Quaid-e-Azam gave us
@Indikid: yes a plebiscite sounds good. Maybe we can promise one and not honor it for 65 odd years like you guys
@Bloch: Sir you comment really held me! otherwise this statement from Brahamdagh Bugti is really DEPLORABLE.. . =(
@shah: he is just a part.
In my opinion Brahamdagh Bugti's statement will be considered treason.
Instead of counter accusation and throwing the blames, need to introspect.
Besides, how can one not expect some body not to retaliate after his loved one has been harmed ?
How can one expect for the foreign interests / stake holder / neighbour not to interfere when the issue is being minshanled and mismanged by those responsible for welfare of the people and governance ?
Quite a few would remember President cum Army Chief Musharraf's egoistic shameful statement ' we will hit him from where he does not know/ expect' ? That was pretty insulting and irresponsible for a head of an instituition and state to use a public forum to threaten the subjects of the state.
I am yet to come across any evidence which can be presented in the court of law to try Nawab Akbar Bugter or Bramdagh. All the Official accusations are in thin air !!!
the issue of balochistan is one that must be considered top priority. Balochistan was never given its due share of power hence the anti pakistani sentiments are justifiable. however, it is still not too late to correct this issue. We, as pakistanis must accept balochistan as an equal province and the balochis as equals. the abduction of the baloch people must stop immediately and they should be given their full rights. hopefully Balochistan wont see the same fate as that of Bangladesh. LONG LIVE BALOCHISTAN!! LONG LIVE PAKISTAN!!!!
Yes some one ask him what he does for Balochis till now ???? and he sud not be given air time on the newspapers . or media .
come on all musharraf bashers.. ur eyes must open up now!! the grandson of bugti was caught with arms by the frontier corpse.. then comes this bugti who is sending out rebellious messages. what is the punishment for a rebel??? plz mian nawaz sharif reply.
To ALL the indians first give independence to all the ppl of India . and improve the living of poor who r dying daily on the streets then come to the rescue of Balochistan ....
First he should get Musharraf; himself..and not by offering money to a hit man....only THEN he would have proven his mettle.
@Pakistani: Tanks, air and artillery have not been used against Kashmiris, however they have been used in the tribal belt of Pakistan by Pakistan Army.
@Much Amused: how did you know that? he is saying about future, not past.
Akbar Bugti was murdered by the Pak army under Mushraff..the whole wide world knows it..so stop questioning it.. Dr. Md Fai was planted by the ISI in washington to jeopardise world against India on Kashmir (for about 25 yrs) but the realty on Fai came in light in 2011. He was working for pakistan to gain support from the US congress to make it a humanitarian issue. (I won't be surprsed if Pakistani altogether dismiss that theory and blame it on Mossad, CIA, Raw etc.)
And I only wish that Indian govt. (IB, RAW) was ever active like the ISI is against the neighbours but our govt just spends all it's verve against opposition parties and defending themselves from scams after scams..lucky for Pakistan !! ..aahh..but still you guys always blame India for balochistan..
@ frantic: I am from Tamil Nadu. We are happy to be a part of India. Have you ever visited Southern part of India?
His grandfather Akbar Bugti voted for Pakistan..He was CM and Governor and once was a federal minister..They lost hope and left parliment and went to mountains to fight.... Mushraf used army for against the Baloch..Now Mushraf is enjoying and army is burden with several accusations..all Pakistan should stand with Baloch Community...Start a long march until the recovery of missing persons...Baloch are feeling isolated and unwanted...All Parties are speaking against USA...they are not speaking to support Baloch..There should be strong outcry FOR Baloch..All non-Baloch leaders,students and laymen should visit Baloch protesting camps for missing persons... Brahamdagh just a reaction of an action....
ahmed baloch, Thanks for good tag. At end every one need peaceful secular & democratic Pakistan. Singh
@Adeel Ahmed: Innocent Balochis turn up dead in their hundreds. I wish Pakistanis face up to reality. After all they are humans too and they have a right to life just like the rest of us. This cannot be brushed under the carpet any longer.
@Vinod: They have been given everything but their freedom. Unless India does that you guys have no moral standpoint to lecture us. No matter what you say you a lot of your countrymen here on this forum are hostile to our country and we resent that. You cant expect us to take that lying down? Noone would!
I am the commoner Baloch, who has been for millenia a subject of petty feudalism I will fight for Pakistan, rather than any feudal lord who did not even try to educate my children while going for Oxford himself--reality check Bugti elders
90 comments on board and every one spitting fire. Pakistan is a democracy and I will request you all to consider that In India all the separatists in Kashmir have not only existed in safety but have been repeatedly permitted to meet Pakistani leaders, travel abroad and give anti Indian speeches attend conferences etc. No one in this country questions their right to do so. Then why every one in Pakistan is reacting so sharply. ISI or Army do not solve these issues only civil leadership will have to do it today or tomorrow.
@Omer: No we dont say that. Because children in India honestly dont know what or who ISI is? Children are not encouraged to get involved in politics. For example my niece who is 6 knows who Shahrukh khan, Salman khan and Hrithik Roshan are but not much about Pakistani or Indian politics I am afraid. Hum bacchon se unka bachpan nahi cheenana chahtey. And no child is taught to be judgemental about any religion. Let them enjoy life! And I would advise you to chillax dude!!
@Much Amused: If it was there his problem would have been solved long time ago!!
@Son Of Soil: @Pakistani: @Err: and many other friends, what do you say when UNO (behind USA, India , Israel and many European countries) ask Pakistan to sign a treaty declaring Baluchistan as Independent country? After March 2012 the present Govt may be in an authoritarian position. Please do not forget Raymond Davis case. some forces need Quetta & Karachi in Baluchistan.
Another Bangladesh in the making, all because of marginalizing and ignoring Balochs for decades. Just like how Bengalis were treated pre 1971 just like that Balochs are being driven down the same path. And some ignorant people here are in complete denial.
ppl blaming punjabi are living in an alternate reality..................punjab is made up of punjabis, siraikis and pothohari and hazaras......all of them blame the other for their suffering.......the problem is that everyone wants to blame others without taking any responsibility.
ppl blaming punjab, please point out what city in punjab is taking away rights of everyone.......and i'm sure everyone will say lahore........please go to lahore and ask 95% of population and they will decry the injustice done to them..........
in the end......the only conclusion is that it is not the provinces that are taking away from the poor, it is the feudal lords of Pakistan, nawaz sharif, zardari, bugti and many others who have been ministers in every government since inception,
Balochistan insurgency is not a fight between punjabi and baloch but between landlords and warlords of pakistan and the poor people are caught in the crossfire or they are naive enough to get caught up in this fake division.
@Frantic: "@Jat: we (pakistanis) are with “kashmiris, Taamils, and Sikhs” (Jaw-breaker" Tamil Nadu has NEVER had an insurgency. Khalistan movement was over long time back. In case you have not noticed, our PM for the last 8 years has been a sardar.
WIth better border co-ordination and prevention of foreign jihadis into Jammu and Kashmir, things are returning to normalcy. LAst year Srinagar got a million tourists.
Keep dreaming though. @Much Amused " So. The Indian connection is there, isint it ???"
He is willing to accept help and reaching out. HE would not have to do so if he was actually receiving help from India.
Since Pakistan interfered in the affairs of its neighbors, this is an opportunity they will not forego to take revenge on Pakistan. Sad but true. Half of Pakistan broke away because of the short sighted policies of the then rulers. Now nearly half of the existing landmass is likely to breakaway yet again. It is obvious that Pakistan's aggressive policies has ruined the nation. It is time to make sacrifices and aggressively make peace.
Sorry to Brahamdagh Bugti and Balochistan people. Wish everything get well soon.
I want and i wish India shouldn't intervene in Balochistan in any way which could cause even a little damage to Indian economy.
US/NATO are free to do whatever they want. US has this habit of acting as Big Brother of world. No problem is even that. Just wish India shouldn't participate in any full frontal war. Worry is far more than losing, winning or teaching lesson to anybody. Worry is 'my house is in little mess', can't use my resources to clear mess in others house.
Though many Indians here expressing support for intervention, in actual they won't. They know how much a war cost. Current Indian generation knows Kargil war cost. You can also see how much damage war had done to US and Pakistan economy.
About Kashmir, time will solve it.
Brahamdagh Bugti must fight his own battle on behalf of his people and stop trying to draw in other countries like the US and India into his dispute. If his cause is just like it was in East Pakistan independence will come otherwise he should remain satisfied making grand statements.
@Jat: we (pakistanis) are with "kashmiris, Taamils, and Sikhs" (Jaw-breaker)
Dear indians...please practice what you preach...if you want us to carve up our country based on ethnicities please do the same with your own country as well. I am sure a lot of people in India will jump to the oppurtunity.
Cant help but love Pakistan despite everything
for his own revenge the person who is trying to destroy pakistan.nightmare dear.any one who commits any mistake against pakistan will see we do what.
* we don't even need to waste our time on these CONGRESSMEN motives !!!!!!!!!!! They cannot see the ethnic cleansing in KASHMIR but preach it for Balochistan........... Balochistan is PAKISTAN and we love our country PAKISTAN.
@Jat: Like we are with Kashmiris and Sikhs and Naga people and the communist
@Fahad Karam: and a seriously cool pakistan emblem hat
I say its time to send in our military! but wait for him to come back first.... Balochistan isn't going anywhere despite Indian & US struggle. Bring it on!
@Indian: Balochistan is 4% of Pakistan's population. We have neglected that area, and we are wrong in doing so... but we do not murder innocent children, and are neither occupying Balochistan by military force. If one feudal, who is proven (by photographic and other evidence presented by Musharraf and now openly declared by himself to be an asset of enemy intelligence agency) is blabbing about the whole of Balochistan, doesn't mean what he is saying is true, it doesn't mean anything for that matter. That's like me saying because some Naxalites want independence and have killed 100s of Indian soldiers, India should just cede control of these areas... Do you agree?
When Pakistan talks about Kashmir, we are talking about a disputed territory between India and Pakistan. Balochistan has absolutely squat to do with India, and yet you guys jump on the bandwagon. Why?
Contrary to your wishes, Balochistan was, is and always will be a part of Pakistan, whether you like it or not.
have a nice day.
“Pakistani politicians like Nawaz Sharif are now visiting Balochistan and inquiring about the plight of Baloch people. There are discussions and talks on TV channels and print media in recent days about Balochistan. Because they are now worried about the sovereignty of Punjab and [want] to protect Punjab’s interest.”
now that is a wrong statement by brahmdagh statement..
Politicians like imran khan and nawaz sharif are worried about balochistan. I genuinly feel all of them want to solve the problems of balochistan in their own capacity
All guys speak thier own, but the truth is what Mr. Bramdagh is saying.
Nawabzada Bramdagh Bugti I know you are fed up and can't trust the rulers but only Bugtis and Marris don't live in Baluchistan province. There are many more large and prominent tribes like Raisani, Jamalis, and Zehris also who donot want any secession. Also most of Northern Baluchistan is Pashtun held and not Baluch. The sovereignty of Pakistan is NOT NEGOTIABLE.
All said, give the Balochs their due rights, both political and economical at once with open hearts. As a gesture release all nationalists who are not involved directly in terrorism and STOP killing the hard liners so atleast TALKS can start. Also once talk starts give the BLA fighters legal protection and take back anti state cases on them. (Also red warrants should be issued for Musharraf for killing Nawab Akbar Bugti)
All the corrupt current rulers of Baluchistan first and then Federal Government must set their act straight and resolve this issue on most priority basis.
So please talk and sort this.
Pakistan needs reforms where feudal land lords,peers and sardars and dynastic politics should be abondoned. because they never want people to progress.
any foreign intervention will make Baloch rights struggle controversial and will lose sympathies of public generally and Pakistani public specially
@Kazmis right on spot.
@Mir Chakar Mazari: I am really moved by your comment I can feel tears in my eyes. Thanks very much for your support. Nothing can happen to Balochistan and Pakistan. Long live Balochistan Long live Pakistan.......
Oh Balooch people r being made foolish like us by indians as they did in 1971.From Dhaka.
@Indian: You can say anything but one thing is for sure they are Land lords and Sardars and they are using youth for their vested interests. When you ask common people from Balochistan they are actually victims of these Bugtis, Mengals and Maris and they have nothing to do with so called "independence movement". These Sardars are sitting abroad, have thousands and thousands acre of land acquired from British rulers and living a lavish life, have made poor people of the province their slaves. Govt of Pakistan should curb this terrorist movement and work for the betterment of common people of Balochistan. No score settling man Pakistan has always been helping hand of Afghans where 2 million afghan refugees still living.
Who cares?? The Balouch are less than 5% of the total population and even in Baluchistan they will soon become a minority, the Pashtuns will be majority soon. So these Bugtis and Jamalis can scream and jump all they want, they'll soon will be part of history.
Oh my God the Indians are coming! But should we be afraid? You see we in Pakistan do not say "So jao beta Gabar Singh aje ga" but in India they say "So jao beta warna ISI aa jai gi"
@Lt Col Imtiaz Alam (retd): "Nawab Akbar Bugti was martyred" - Colonel saab, Martyred by who??????
Lets be real...US or NATO will not intervene and India? I don't even need to say. Balochistan will always be part of Pakistan no matter what these haters say.
Mr. Manmohan, the truth is that there has been human rights violation in Balochistan, and the govt of Pakistan should have taken measures to prevent this earlier. BUT this issue is not comparable to Kashmir, u commit the fallacy of 'False Analogy' here..Kashmir was a Dispute SINCE its creation.
It was NOT the human rights violation that 'started' the chaos there. Balochistan has been an undisputed part of Pakistan (while Kashmir is a disputed territory-and when India claims that talking about Kasmir is meddling with its INTERNAL affairs-this is "baseless" because Kashmir is NOT India's undisputed internal part)...so the analogy is false.
Hope things get better in Balochistan and these security forces and other terrorists stop their brutal activities.
In the last 60 yrs of his family ruling the people of Balochistan, ( His Tribe) have not only live in misery but have had no rights under these people, What has the Bugti s done for their tribe except to have treated the followers like slaves, All I hear and have heard that these so called Sardars terrorize and kill people at random. Before asking for independence why dont you free your people first.
We are in a state of denial. He doesn't beg from punjab but demands ownership on their resources. Why Punjab has ownership of wheat and resources from other provinces are owned by Federal govnt (again Punjab). Isn't it a flawed constitution? Isn't it a law of jungle?
How was that o Pakis! to ignore your afghan brothers and to serve america.. I wonder which part of my country has some better life standards..Neither Punjabi nor Seraiki,never Pakhtun nor pothuhari,not even sindhi.. why trying to please these nawabs,why not a common balochi.. He also has his some dreams,has his self-respect.Why to these billionaires As far as Indians are concerned,Their dreams are not far away..I fear! if america has started to pursue its game plan. If Anything happens to Balochistan,it would be the end of Pakistan.... Wake up!
@ Indian and all the other indians: wow.. you really seem excited with all this insurgency in Baluchistan, but dont be hasty my friend, I would like to bring you down to earth. There are problems in Baluchistan (no doubt about that), but armed insurgency is being led by people mainly hailing from Dera Bugti and Kohlu ( 2 out of so many districts of Baluchistan). That is why, this insurgency is being handled by Frontier Corps (which is just a paramillitary force). If this insurgency would have been so big or out of control, then certainly our tanks, gunship helicopters and full army battalions would have been doing operations in Baluchistan in just the same way as you people are doing in Kashmir. But, anyways, we thank the indians for their involvement in Baluchistan, as this has resulted in greater concern among the people of Pakistan for the Baluch people. Now, even Punjab is commited to solve the Baluchistan issue and give Baluchis (our beloved brothers) their right, and in time most of their greviences will be resolved. Just to further disappoint you, may I also add that 40% to 45% of Baluchistan are ethnic pashtuns who are not interested in Independent Baluchistan. Then, in Balochs there are Jamalis, Lagharis, Bijaranis, Bizenjos and many more who dont talk of an independent Baluchistan. So my humble advice to you, dont compare Baluchistan with Kashmir. Not a single parallel can be drawn in between them. I hope that I have not made you CRY....
@indians Kabul has a score to settle what a joke! Only the mayor of Kabuls presidential palace Hamid Karzai has a problem with Pakistan and that too now hes begging us for help. If india nato or americans even think of coming to baluchistan, we with the help of friends across the borders will prepare a very warm welcome for them. I am sure after the Afghan hospitality of the Americans it is time we too display our hospitality to any 'guests' who want to visit Baluchistan.
There have been accusations of atrocities in Kashmir by Indian army. Having travelled to Kashmir, I feel It is perhaps a justified accusation, as there is indeed a fear of the army, and army does overreach in handling the situation at times.
But, at no time Army can be accused of killing any major leader of Kashmiri separatism. Even when they don't agree with these leaders, Indian leadership lets them speak what they want, hold protests and even address gatherings in rest of India.
Contrast that with what Pakistan Army did - It killed Mr. Bugti through a war like strike? If you expect to win over agitated people, this is hardly the way!!
Independent Baluchistan is not possible **1. because Baloch and Brahi if combined makes 50 % of Population and other 50 % population is Pashtun and Hazara. Considering Pashtun and Baloch relation ship its un imaginable that any Pathan will reckon Baloch dominance.
without Iran and Afghan help its not possible to separate Baluchistan. Iran it self is fighting US sponsored insurgency in its part of Baluchistan.
Baluchistan is not East Pakistan where there is 2500 KM of enemy territory between Base and Area of Operation. US drama is to pressurize Pakistan. US at the movement is acting like a bully who has lost respect and no one is acting according to its wishes.**
By the way, what is his contribution to poor balochs???
needless anti Punjab bashing is getting tiresome
@Indian jat vasan and other indian commenters It would be wise for india to keep its nose out. Baluchistan is not compose of Bugti the people are scattered between three countries iran afghanistan pakistan. There are more pashtuns in Pakistan than in Afghanistan and half of them resides in baluchistan because of their shared tribal links. Unless you guys want to get your otherwise economically and millitarily strong country tangled in an out of control mess than stay out. Dont forget before Afghanistan US was a superpower militarily and economically, and putting it fingers into a destabilised country like Afghanistan has driven it bankrupt. A strong country always has more to lose than a destabilised country which becomes a loose cannon for its neighbours. Afghanistan is a already a mess, Iran is picking a fight with the US, you guys already have problems with china on the other border, do you really want Pakistan to spiral out of control and drag you down. Baaluchistan is as possible as kurdistan, you will have to cut out three countries to get it and then also it is near impossible.
*Pakistan Zindabad , Allah will save Pakistan inshaAllah *
@Manmohan Singh: get one thing straight:
kashmir is an international dispute; Balauchistan is not.
Balachistan is part of Pakistan as per all legal rights and instruments; whereas Kashmir is occupied by India.
sshhhh,be quiet,Don't you know that for the pakistani media there is no such thing as an innocent punjabi?
@Mohammad naeem: please provide us some real evidence if baluch people are being abducted by the ISI, and u know Punjabi's are being killed more than balochs in Baluchistan, no one talks about the funding of these traitors and their links, in 2004 brahamdag bugti was welcomed by the RAW at mumbai airport, they are fools playing in the hands of our enemies, and rememeber these groups have no masses support if they had they would have formed a main stream political party , they are in minority thats why they are carrying guns.
It reminds me of 1971, The Khakis fighting it out against the Awami league and Pakistan being the ultimate loser.
@Mohammad naeem: Sensible very good Nadeem your a true patriot
I understand his anger but any intervention from any country will be dealt with the strongest possible reaction..so don't ever dare to think anything foolish..we have a full capacity to make them taste their own medicine.
Dear Bugti, what have you done for your own people's education and development?
True tribalism at its peak.. The enemy of my enemy is my friend...
@col retd: A big question mark about his role the day Nawab Akbar Bugti was martyred. So, he killed Akbar Bugti?
In last 63 years Baluch people did not try to get education. Those who are from big families got good education abroad but useless as they could not teach in college and universities. Baluchistan has lot of natural resources but they could not explore them. When qualified people came from other province they killed them. what a poor nation, now looking toward India, Israel and USA for independence. If they get independence they will fight each other like Afghans for power. I advise all children of Baluch leaders already killed, that the only wise solution for them is to extend apology to Pakistani people and declare that they will remain with Pakistan and play a part in building Baluchistan and Pakistan. Otherwise all their resources will be dig out by Indians and US, and in return they will get a dark future like Afghans.
Abdul Rehman Malik should issue red warrant for his arrest ...hang him/himself for Pakistan's interest
The reality of all the problems anywhere in Pakistan is because the general public does not get to hear the truth. Today, wars are not fought by guns and barrels - they are fought with the media and capturing the minds of the masses. Specially in case of Balochistan - the army should somehow expose the external forces that are involved in balochistan (if there are some) - either themselves or through media.
-- "Wars are fought by capturing people's minds not by force" --
A person like Brahamdagh has no right asking for independence. He used to say he will never leave Balochs in despair but today he lives in Switzerland but here Balochs continue to suffer at the hands of military and militant goons alike. Our lives have been held hostage by them. We Balochs love our Balochistan and we want Autonomy and nothing more. Our life, our work and our families are everything for us, we are Pakistanis and we shall remain Pakistanis for the rest of our lives. Either Brahamdagh Bugti should come back and fight like a real man or he should not talk anymore.
Pakistan Zindbaat Balochistan Zindbaat
Baluchistan's legitimate demands should be fulfilled. Separatists will never be satisfied though. If they think they can achieve their goal of separation through fighting they are grossly mistaken.
So it begins... Another Bangladesh in the making unless Pakistanis come to their senses and address genuine grievances of the Baluchs.
Completely Agree with Brahamdagh Bugti and his apprehensions. The Baloch and other oppressed ethnicities did not get their rights through constitution since 1947 and no other option was left to them to demand their rights with in the constitution.
Mr. Brahamdagh Bugti, you are the Mir Jaffar of the time.
you need to give the province its due share of autonomy and resources. A plebiscite should be out of question. Provinces are in no position to ask a government to hold plebiscites to get independence. we are a single nation and a division of Pakistan should not even be an option! Army should not conduct operation against civilians but they have the right to build cantonments where ever they feel the country needs provided the federal government supports them. moreover, an operation against nationalists is justified since they are trying to break the country!
omg..looks like things are getting serious
@ET. The above pic is very wrong idea with this news item. Barhmdagh bugti is a pakistani and his views though harsh but must be respected!
Well..Agencies need to release all abducted baluchs at once n immediately. Sc should hold daily hearings on akbar bugti case. APC should b hold in quetta and in the APC a clear future plan should b announced in line with aspirations of baloch ppl. Then only we can talk of holding dialogue with disgruntled balochs and then only they can have some trust on the government.
The organizations/country from which this intervention is being sought by a few don't exactly have good records themselves. NATO has always looked to its own interests eg. kosovo, yugoslavia, afghanistan, libya. They use the local like petty animals to serve their political interests. US is the same: killings on its own borders with central america, Iraq, Afghanistan, libya, the whole middle east. And don't forget the one million dead Iraqi women & children from a war they had nothing to do with. India: It has its own dozens of separatist movements going on and is doing the same thing happening in balochistan today. The doctrine of using proxy terror groups is the brainchild of Indian security agencies eg. against the tamil population.
I would advise Barahmdagh Bugti to pick & choose wisely lest he suffer the same fate people suffered at the hands of these three entities.
“We have been accused of getting support from India but the Baloch movement does not have any foreign support. However, we will welcome any support for independence.” - I don't know if the indian govt will oblige but Afghans have a score to settle.....
We (Indians) are with you Bugti.We extend our full moral support to you as pakistanis extend to our Kashmiri separatists.Now the circle is complete.
Mr. Bugti has full support of Kabul and India. And where is Mr. Bugti when Baluch target kill people including fellow Baluch who work in the education, health, and development sector in Baluchistan? Is that also not violation of human rights and illegal?
"Will support US, Nato or Indian intervention: Brahamdagh Bugti" - Superb!!!!!!! Now let the Pakistanis talk about 'Human Rights', 'Kashmiri freedom fight' and 'Muslims being oppressed'.... Come on guys... Be sportive..... And please mention the RAW, CIA and Mossad..... Please..... You guys have the world to talk about from Iraq, Palestine to Kashmir... But Baluchistan (half of geography of Pakistan!!!!) is happening right under your nose by your govt... Lets listen...
Mr. Bugti should be asked how he has spent the billions the govt of Pakistan pays to his family from gas revenues as their share of royalty. Why do the Bugti's insist on keeping the people in their area in poverty and uneducated? Easier to rule over perhaps? Also only a small part of Baluchistan actually belongs to the Bugtis.
We(Indians) are with you Bugti.
So. The Indian connection is there, isint it ????
the pakistani govt. should wake up and realise the dangers ahead.the situation in balochistan could be used as an excuse to attack our country like what happened in libya,kosovo and east timor.the hold of pakistani state is already being weakened in balochistan,there are militant attacks daily.the situation needs to be controlled before outside forces conspire together to attack our land.
why isnt he talking about all the Innocent Panjabi being killed by his terrorists?
Bugti's just want to keep their fuedalism and power in tact.. hence they are behind most of the killings which they accuse the govt and army of carrying out.. the poor Balochi living in Balochistan is fearful of his master... we gotta break this fuedal system and its high time governments stops talking and starts acting.....
He is was not chosen by the Elders of his tribe once his name was put up for Tribal Chief to take over after Nawab Akbar Bugti. Trying to take a shortcut. He has no love for any poor Baloch. A big question mark about his role the day Nawab Akbar Bugti was martyred.
Okay. That is a seriously cool shotgun.
A nutcase. It is ironic while under his command thousands of Blochs were refugees in Multan, and he is saying about Bloch rights. It is true Bramdagh work for foreign agencies. Blochistan is part of Pakistan, ask millions of Blochs living all across Pakistan.
Pakistan should hold a plebiscite in Balochistan. This will solve the problem in no time at all. Inshallah the CJ will take suo moto notice on this issue.