India has also asked Islamabad to come clear on its nuclear policy, including command and control over nuclear assets.
This was conveyed to Pakistani officials by India during the two-day talks on nuclear and conventional confidence building measures (CBMs) that were held in Islamabad this week after a gap of four years, the paper quoted sources as saying.
The command of Pakistan’s nuclear assets, the prerogative of the National Command Authority, was transferred from the president to the prime minister in 2009 after the parliament passed the National Command Authority Bill 2009 in January that year.
During the talks, Pakistan had proposed to redeploy artillery and mortar 30 kilometres away from the LoC among other CBMs that included an agreement on prevention of incidents at sea and the return of citizens who inadvertently cross the border.
But, the paper reported, India has conveyed to Pakistan that New Delhi cannot look at such proposals till the situation at the LoC improves. On the nuclear CBMs, India made it clear to Pakistan that views on nuclear doctrines could be exchanged only when official documents enunciating the policies are available in the public domain.
According to the report, Indian officials also stressed the need to practically demonstrate restraint and responsibility in the nuclear field and urged it to facilitate talks on the Fissile Material Cut-off Treaty.
Officials pointed out that India had announced its nuclear doctrine of credible minimum deterrence in 2003 which places the command and control of nuclear devices with the civilian leadership. That same year, the two neighbours also agreed to a ceasefire at the defacto but heavily militarised border.
The paper also reported that Indian External Affairs Minister SM Krishna is slated to visit Pakistan to review the progress on the talks. Meetings between the two countries’ home secretaries, water resources secretaries, defence secretaries and foreign secretaries will also take place before the visit.
Islamabad and New Delhi held these vital talks just a few days before the exchange of lists of their nuclear installations and facilities on January 1 under the “Agreement on the Prohibition of Attack against Nuclear Installations and Facilities”. The agreement was signed on December 31, 1988, and both countries exchange their lists every year on January 1.
Islamabad and New Delhi held these vital talks just a few days before the exchange of lists of their nuclear installations and facilities on January 1 under the “Agreement on the Prohibition of Attack against Nuclear Installations and Facilities”. The agreement was signed on December 31, 1988, and both countries exchange their lists every year on January 1.
Islamabad and New Delhi are holding these vital talks on conventional and nuclear CBMs just a few days before the exchange of lists of their nuclear installations and facilities on January 1 under the “Agreement on the Prohibition of Attack against Nuclear Installations and Facilities”.
The nuclear neighbours signed this agreement on December 31, 1988 and both countries exchange their lists every year on January 1.
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@Romm Doesn't make much difference. If they give,you become beggar. If you grab,you become thief.
And you are saying you grabbed! Anyways,get a life man,atleast don't take pride in 'grabbing'...be self-sufficient.Otherwise don't make noise when the drone attack your backyard.
Pakistan/India..live and let live...
@Nathu:
So let me try to understand what you are telling me. First I should not believe anything that the media says. Second I should not believe anything that the elected national governemnt says or for that matter the ISI or the military. I should not believe any of the people in the streets who seem to like burning American flags or call for death to America. Finally I should not believe comment after comment that is made on topic after topic that directs hate toward America.
It really is confusing this display of affection that PAK has toward America. I guess Americans should be releived that PAK does not like America.
Tilopa * Correction* US does not Give, We Grab... stop Mourning plssss and Behave Like men....
@Nathu Well that is not much surprising (Your love for america) And i think its justifiable,given that they give you billions of dollars in aid for free! God knows,if they stop giving you what will happen of you,lol!
@Nathu
We can all see the brotherly love for America on this forum.
Pakistan should stop believing in India until the Kashmir issue is resolved.
The statement should be like this India should stop believing in pakistan until the Balochistan issue is resolved. LOL
@Harry Stone - Sorry to dissapoint you, Indian man . . . the common Pakistani loves America and is aware of the Indian game to divide them. Pakistan and America are historically old friends and India has been trying very hard to sabotage it. The moment America lets go of the India's damaging influence, both America and Pakistan will prosper!
@Hu Jintao You seem to be obsessed about sanitation in India, we can send some samples to you under MFN if you want
Pakistani proposal reminds me of Al-Taqiyya
@Khadim: A Pakistani talking on peace and trust!!
why don't Pakistan help Muslims in China where chinese military is torturing them dayand night? Why don't you help Muslims in Baloch? The reasoning that Pak is Kashimiri muslims from Indian army atrocities doesn't make sense. That day is not too far when muslims in kashmir will wake up to see the reality. Educated muslims in India (including Kashmir) already understand that and as education will spread, they will be able to judge rights and wrongs!
@Nathu:
Actually it would seem PAK has worked up a rather large hate for America without any help from India.
@Bangladeshi:
You need to work on your history a little bit more, Bangladeshi boy.
@Omar : So you say that "Doesnt matter, we have given India fierce resistance before 1965, due to the greatness of Allah. And we will always be successful against our enemies, because Allah is with us, whether that be India, US, or Israel" WOW, so who was WITH YOU when you lost the last FOUR wars with India? By the way, how are things going in EAST PAKISTAN these days?
Javed Arif Khan - you hit the nail on the head.
@Proud Pakistani Pakthoon: So you say that "This won’t be reported on the American Media, that’s for sure" which is correct! But now please tell us why the American Media should even report on this issue that is half a world away, in a boring endless spat between two nuclear armed neighbors each with internal politcal agendas run wild!
@Nathu: I can promise you one thing. Pakistan is doing all the damage in that regard. It's pointless to take sides. There are interests in both for different reasons and if one thing is clear about the Pakistan/India clash is that it should have ended long ago and anyone still harping on it is causing more problems for their respective sides than the very people they're suspicious of. It would be foolish to try and destabilize either side. Especially Pakistan. Though plenty of your public speakers will say the intent is in the harmful direction. However, they should be disregarded instantly, though they aren't, because even the mentally challenged should know that the destabilization would completely hinder objectives especially considering the #1 thing dragging the war out is over sensitive border disputes. Which, while obviously going to be seen as negative by the country is getting their "sovereignty" trespassed on, is still supposed to be allies against a common enemy. So negative reactions would be expected/understandable, but most certainly not to the extent of it becoming as dramatic and detrimental as it ends up being.
@lols: last time i checked its your kind who is on our website and far more obsessed with Pakistan and hate it passionately and expect us to say sweet dripping things for indians. not even in your dreams red dot.
These indians trolls come here and rant against Pakistan ignoring the fact that 800 million indians dont even have proper sanitation facilities to relieve themselves
Looks like Pakistani public is living in a fools paradise. Your Govt's proposal was just for proposal's sake. It was like bank robbers asking a security firm not to arm their guards and they will follow the same. LOL. Propose something practical, you can not have your terrorists run amock in other countries and also expect others to build confidence with you.
Yes remove artillery from the LOC so we can start getting our assets into Kashmir again. Pakistan needs to prove that its sane first before India will trust it enough to remove artilllery from the border
And then India blames us for not promoting peace - when Pakistan is proposing to remove heavy guns from both sides - whats the problem?? Then you blame us for not trusting you - yea thats right - we Pakistanis don't trust you - we extend a hand and you try to chop it off. Keep the guns there Pak Army and move em closer. CBMs my A%$S.
India knows Pakistan is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Nice Try, Pakistan!
@ISI... Yes and the whole world is extremely happy with Pakistan. In fact Pakistan is the apple of everyone's eye.
@porcupine lol if that got your goat. I am Glad ET edited alot more of my post. I mentioned Chankaya and how that seems to be essential reading at your Foreign Ministry. But calm down. I said it was a "terrible stereotype" i.e its not true. There are many Indian I admire Gandhi and Arundhati Roy come to my mind. Its just that your government just like my government is not interested in peace. I & many Pakistanis acknowledge this fact many Indians drunk on Shining Inida nonsense will never do that.
@Agnostic Muslim:
Keep up the India centric policies and go even mor broke. You cannot compete with India so, keep on going. You don't think Indians really care do you?
@ISI
Afghanistan, Iran, India...none of its neighbors like Pakistan, why?
@Romm
yay!!...we Indians are proud of it
@Bangladeshi
Dude, its only becoz of us that you can call urself "Bangladeshi"(assuming you really are one)
@ISI: And for Pakistan Iran: Wow what a good relationship you share while Iran keep complaining about Pakistan providing support to terrorists troubling Iran.
Afghanistan: Great relationship, Afghanistan would choke you death the day they stand on their feat.
China: Wow you are literally slave to them. They have completely destroyed your local markets by flooding their cheap goods and in return offered you 4.45 million as flood relief. Wow what a moment of pride for the all weather friends.
India: Irony is that Pakistan's entire Identity is based on existence and animosity to India.
It is too risky to believe Pakistani promises! 'Bin Ladin is not in Pakistan' comes to mind. Pakistanis seriously lack any kind of credibility. One of the reasons being multiple power centers running the country (to bankruptcy and anarchy).
@Agnostic Muslim: By the way how does Pakistan and Pakistanis would explain the incursions in 1948, 61, 71 and Kargil. It was Pakistan which has always initiated these incursion, so the onus lies with Pakistan to demonstrate more concrete intent that these misadventure will not happen in future. Secondly, which government in their sane mind would trust the government of Pakistan?
And to all those Pakistanis would now jump to refute and deny that Pakistan never initiated the incursions then please go to Youtube and listen you your ex Air force Marshals and Najam Sethi or Prfof. Hoodbhoy to get the truth. Apart from lies about India some recent lies to the world are Osama, Memogate, AQ Khan saga, Kabul US & Indian embassy attack. so many more....
Third, the extreme elements in Pakistan like the disgraced and evil Hafiz Sayeed claims openly that they intended to carry out jihad against in India. so how in the world would India trust Pakistan?
There are also some extreme elements in India but they do not claim to go across the border and carry out anything, their operation is limited within India so Pakistan has nothing to worry.
Just cut off the water supply.Who cares about some treaty which holds on real meaning. I doubt Pakis have the balls to even attack us once we have increased troop levels on the border.
yeah what next? hand over kashmir? Dream on Pakis. We dont need to negotiate with u on anything. There is nothing u can offer us. We will deal with u our way.
@Khadim: "– Pakistan should stop believing in India until the Kashmir issue is resolved." But, that is going to be for ever - or never! Shucks!
Only fools from a country which lost 50% of its land and people due to an attack by India in 1971 believe that India was "defeated" in 1965.
According to the Library of Congress Country Studies conducted by the Federal Research Division of the United States:
"The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy—on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country's military defeat by "Hindu India" and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government."
Why should India remove artillery? So that Pakistan can send militants across the border. And it is not India that wants war, Pakistan is the one that initiated 2 of 3 wars, and our army has been lying to its public since.
India holds some key strategic locations on the Line of Control and the Indian side has much heavier artillery firepower. The heavy guns had been used in Kargil war with outstanding success. It is the perfect weapon to choke strategic passes, pummel mujaheddin bases and their trenches at high altitudes.
And hence Pakistan wants them removed.
@AN: Have you ever seen a map of your country? It's frickin' huge and your imports account for " nearly $6 000 billion" ? Just $6 000 billion? :O Now that's a shame!! Tsk tsk.. Guess what? Your lok pal bill just got rejected by your parliament! Go cry over that! Or maybe go on a hunger strike or whatever. The worlds "most stable democracy" and it's parliament refused to pass the bill! It seems as if there is no consensus of opinion! Lesson to be learnt: Try solving your own problems before interfering in ours! (:
@Khadim: @Agnostic Muslim: @Ali Wazir:
What a stupidity of Pakistan to make such suggestions so soon after the great Difa-e-Pakistan rally and not moving an inch on the Mumbai terror attacks.
With NATO and USA blocking the infiltration of terrorists into Afghanistan and India on the other side blocking the movement of terrorists into India, the terrorists are stuck in Pakistan. Pakistan Army can no longer give cover fire to facilitate infiltration of terrorists on either side. These terrorists shall not keep quiet as this would make them irrelevant. So they shall keep themselves busy and in the limelight within Pakistan.
Pakistan should be great full to all the countries providing it with monetary aid to carry out its day to day functioning. India is far more advance economically and in every other respect it is a free democratic society. It is in Pakistan best interest to be in Indians good books
Hence it is proved again that India is the root cause of all evil in S.Asia. They have this arrogant warmongering attitude since 1947 and invaded Kashmir. They are shrewd and act innocent as if they mean no harm but peace and always play the victim card but in reality they always cause problems for their neighbor and feel great about it. A pathetic hegemonic attitude.
@lols Pakistanis shud not hate Indians because to be Honest and Frank, Indians are not even worth Hating... lol.
lol, what else can you expect from Indians!
@Porcupine: their typical culture, leave it.
@Nathu:
Am not the Americans can afford another friend like PAK
look at the comments by pakis, no relation with actual matter, they are just blinded by hatred against India. for India, its a good decision.
@Ali Wazir: "Living up to the terrible stereotype…Baghal mein Churi, Moon par Ram Ram……." If I'm correct it was pakistan that started kargil 3 months after mr. vajpayee visited lahore on that famous peace initiative,so this racist analogy applies to you yourself.Atleast think about the 3 million hindus living in your country before making such statements.
Doesnt matter, we have given India fierce resistance before 1965, due to the greatness of Allah. And we will always be successful against our enemies, because Allah is with us, whether that be India, US, or Israel!
@Harry Stone - it would seem that India has been pushing America to hate Pakistan just as much as India does but America is not foolish to fall a prey to India's hateful designs of control and power as they know better that this would not benefit America! Regards.
And the foolish Pakistani leadership was proposing MFN status to India without having the wisdom or commonsense about India and its evil eye towards Pakistan. Wake up naive Pakistan!
It would seem India is not as big a fool as the US.
This won't be reported on the American Media, that's for sure.
Why do we propose such things to India!!! India = MFN = Epic Fail!!!
No more business with India - they are wolves in sheep's clothing. They cannot even take this first step towards peace, how can Pakistan trust them in any thing and any issue - Pakistan should stop believing in India until the Kashmir issue is resolved.
Indians scared as usual, whats new here?
There you go.
Pakistan proposes CBM's, and India rejects.
It is India that is 'obsessed with Pakistan and hostile to Pakistan', and the Indian response justifies Pakistan's 'India Centric' policies.
Sane decision.
Pakistan . . . .Stop getting too business friendly with India as at the bottom lies their deception and war mentality against Pakistan. India will never be sincere with Pakistan . . . .let it be very very clear no matter what reasoning they claim.
Why does Pakistan give such proposals to India which will ultimately lead to humiliate Pakistan even further.hahaha Not a single artillery will be removed.
good.
@Roflcopter: lol Roflcopter........
lol india......