In Muzaffarabad recently, even as the Jamaatud Dawa (JuD), the Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM), the Lashkar-e-Taiba(LeT) and the Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) took out a large protest against Pakistan’s decision to grant Most-Favoured Nation status to India, Pakistani businessmen/women were making the case for better trading ties in a meeting with India’s Federation of Chamber of Commerce and Industry (FICCI).
Dawood Jakhora, a leading textile manufacturer from Karachi and vice-president of the Federation of Pakistan Chambers of Commerce and Industry (FPCCI), told me about his school principal, a Mr Joshi, in Dwarka, Gujarat, who asked him why he and his family had decided to abandon India in favour of Pakistan.
“Pakistan had been created and the decision was made,” Mr Jakhora said, remembering that the conversation had been carried out in Gujarati. “Now all I want is for both countries to open up as soon as possible, so we can trade with each other and behave like normal countries,” he added.
Mr Jakhora said he dearly wished to return to Dwarka, but that it was going to be impossible on this trip because the visa had only been stamped for Delhi. That meant they couldn’t get out of the capital’s precincts, pointed out Tariq Sayeed, FPCCI president and a top Pakistani businessman. Appointments with Indian traders outside Delhi would have to be cancelled, he added ruefully.
In fact, since the next PIA flight (only twice a week between Delhi and Karachi) had been cancelled for some unknown reason, the group of Pakistani businessmen — who were in Delhi to meet their counterparts at the FICCI and take forward the opening up now decreed by the governments — were likely to be stuck in the Indian capital for more than a week.
Now the trouble with errant airlines can sometimes be overcome with the smell of money and the imaginary sound of ringing coffers, but when even that is absent, it’s not fair to invoke the power of nostalgia. The sights and smells of birthplaces cannot be allowed to bear the burden of an ignoble present.
So Khurram Sayeed, clearly a smart, young and enterprising man, besides being the head of Planet Petrochemicals, was glued to his mobile phone, trying to make his group’s return journey simpler.
But young Khurram wasn’t about to let these teething troubles in India-Pakistan trade daunt him. He explained to me how it was imperative for both sides to open up, that, in fact, Pakistani businessmen had explained to their own government that it would be able to save at least $150 million annually only from the diesel import bill if a variety of petrochemicals could be imported from India.
“You have a oil hub in Bhatinda, which is less than a 100km from Wagah,” Khurram said, adding that a pipeline could be laid, or the oil sent through containers via rail.
Mr Jakhora was, meanwhile, asking Mr Arvind Mehta of India’s ministry of commerce, whether sales tax or octroi had to be paid on foreign goods as they passed through India’s provinces before reaching the final destination.
The octroi existed, the sales tax mostly didn’t anymore and, if it did, it was refundable, said Mr Mehtra. On the side, complaints regarding Pakistani cement containers stuck for several weeks were noted, and Mr Mehta promised this would be resolved soon.
The JuD-LeT-JeM-JI rally in Muzaffarabad seemed very far away, as I watched a little piece of India and Pakistan, ordinary men and women, quietly undertake the business of life in front of my eyes.
Published in The Express Tribune, December 3rd, 2011.
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@ukmuslim: "@antanu / @usama you both have similar thoughts (read bal thakarey) at same time … Dec 2, 2011 – 10:26PM wonder of telepathy between ‘so called INDIAN’ and pakistani" Remarkable observation! We have always suspected antanu is an impostor. Thinking processes of Indians and Pakistanis are way apart. He gave himself away in many small instances.
Khalid Masood:
Wonder if you have read history of nations. Any nation forged by people with intention of Geography or religion have rarely survived for long.
On the contrary nations forged out of strong bonds, peaceful co-existence and focused on human growth thrive for long.
You may fight a war, and perhaps even win Kashmir through a proxy war. But, that won't make you a nation. You'll only fight further because your identity as a nation is based on militarism. That has never lasted hundreds of years.
@antanu / @usama
you both have similar thoughts (read bal thakarey) at same time ... Dec 2, 2011 - 10:26PM wonder of telepathy between 'so called INDIAN' and pakistani
Indian Kashmir is under democratic rule and Omar Abdullah is the democratically elected leader. Indian Kashmir today is among the most peaceful places in India. Out of 150 plus Indian Muslims who live in India, only about 6 million live in Kashmir. in Kashmir itself the major political parties are pro-India. Its only a small , Jihadi constituency that makes all the noise. However, even as Pakistan descends into chaos it looks like some of its citizens are still fixated on something that it can never get. Some speak of 1000 year war but the truth is they have barely survived 60 years and who can say what will be kleft in anathor 60 ?
@Khalid Masood: "I alongwith majority of Pakistanis are willing to bear damage and are willing to fight back if needed." You waged four wars and what did you get out of them. You were cut down to half your size reducing your country to a caricature, earning nothing but condemnation and ignominy. You must be careful with your promises. With the way things are going, it is quite likely that you may not be there when the time to deliver on those promises comes.
@harkol & other Indians: For your few dollars we cannot forget or leave our Kashmiri Brethren under the yoke of Indian slavery. I alongwith majority of Pakistanis are willing to bear damage and are willing to fight back if needed.
Khalid Masood:
Kashmir won't be resolved as long as their is religious fervor ruling over human values. Pakistan cleansed its Hindu minorities and India can't permit another such religious cleansing to take place again in Kashmir, though militants partially succeeded in Pushing out Pundits.
Should Kashmiri separatists have a more realistic basis for demand for separation of state from India than just religious majority, India will come under moral pressure. But, currently the Kashmiri separatism is all about Islamic majority in the Kashmir Valley (not in Jammu, Not in Ladakh).
@Jhanzeb, East Pakistan seceded from West Pakistamn because of the same corrupt, thug forces that rule West Pakistan today, ruled east Pakistan. Read history. Nothing has changed. The disgraced, defeated Yahya Khan, Tikka Khan has been replaced by Kayani and Pasha. india has and will stay intact because of its democratic secular system. I cannot say the same about Pakistan as the biggest state of your country Baluchistan is already 1/2 way on the way East Pakistan went.
@sharifL: "I am sure you have heard of sardarji jokes. " I am not a Sardarji and I wish to point out that I resent your observation for its crude racist content. Sir, that kind of racist, bigotted attitude has been given a burial ages ago in India and invites only contempt, otherwise you would not have seen Presidents and now a PM come from that community. We value greatly their contribution to our nation. It is understandable, though not pardonable, that for a people who find it hard to move from 700AD why it will take a millennium or so, if ever, to get to where India is today in social relations. That was a shameful comment, sir!
@Babloo: Are you telling the world that 1971 wasn't an act of State Sponsored Terror? It certainly was and Your State was sponsored it when it had nothing to do with that. Let's take your Logic and apply it On Kashmir and this time Let be the Chinese to do what you did in 1971. Let's draw this parallel. How about that? I think you must be ashamed off in that terrorist act. As far as the rest of the Pakistan is concerned, I do not think you can do anything now . The reason is simple. Had Pakistan been a Nuclear Power then, Your State would never act in that way. You can try if you want, But then be ready to start from the stone age . As long as the idiots like you will be in India , You will always be hate nation. This is exactly What majority of Pakistanis think. Kashmir is an issue and it will remain until resolved. Business across the border, can be Business people's dream but not of course of an ordinary Pakistani. They want to make sure all issues are resolved first. Because we also do not Want any Col. Prohits wondering on our soil in disguise.
@sharifL:
Don't worry, we understand and agree: that's the way we feel (in most of India but definitely south India) about UP in general (you could add Bihar in the mix). With a slight change of order: Sikhs > Punjabi Hindus > and on rare occasions and for uncommonly nice people from UP and Bihar :-) I agree and empathize with all the sentiments, experiences, and hopes you expressed. That said, even if Pakistan and India are bhai-bhai and close, there will still be people bad-mouthing each other on both sides. I'm not a misanthrope but that's way we stack up as a species I guess .... Although I live in the USA, I have a dream of having stop overs in Lahor, Karachi, etc. and exploring a different region of Pakistan on each trip (and gorge shamelessly on the various foods I dream of, meet people, see sights...). But I know a lot of things have to happen before I can achieve that including the disappearance of the 2 most horrible airlines in the world - PIA and Air India .....
@Khalid, For Indians, Pakistan's obsession with Kashmir, while it loses whatever its left with, is intriguing and satisfying. After loss of 1/2 the country in 1971, following its fatal obsession with Kashmir, would have taught some lessons to even someone with mediocre intelligence.
we love pakistanis
People fail to understand that normal, regular Pakistanis have no say in governance of Pakistan or its policies, which are dictated by its army/ISI/mullah/militant complex. So India should be extremely careful in engaging Pakistan and the safer route is to ignore it.
Ms Jyoti Malhotra : I am not a supporter of JUD but I cannot give MFN Status to India in my heart till Kashmir Dispute is resolved as per aspirations of people of Kashmir. It is final and cannot be altered. It is same thing I told you at Chaklala Air Base once you came for the coverage of 2005 earthquake.
For peace and trade to develop between India and Pakistan , the Pakistani national narrative of Hindu or India as the eternal enemy must change. Is the Pak army ready for it?
@ShrifL, Yes sir i thiink i misunerstood sorry for that. @Abbas sahab, Thank u sir i agreed and hopefully we south asian will think about peace and open our border like u said it and it was a dream of Mr Jinnah too.
@Waseem: Are you blind?? Your so called all-weather friend is already ruining your economy..go check the Pak-China trade facts..
@ali tanoli: I think you misunderstood my point. I have urdu speaking friends and admire their polite and sophisticated conversations. What I meant was that with punjabis you have the typical punjabi jokes, punjabi music. I am sure you have heard of sardarji jokes. It goes on. I hate racism and UP walahs are just as good or bad as any other.
We live in a global village. In a village only brothers fight. India and Pakistan are brothers and they love to fight. I daily see my sons fight and despite fighting they love each other. Pakistan Zindabad..India Zindabad.
ofcourse an indian nationalist author wants more trade concesssions from pakistan every industry group in pakistan has opposed MFN it will ruin our economy
@ali tanoli: are u serious? what exactly did u find racist in sharif's comment.he's just saying that he ENJOYS company of punjabis over muhajjirs,i mean he's not saying anything derogatory.u clearly dont understand racism,do u?
@Usama: My friend, Bal Thackeray gets more press in Pakistan than he does in India. We see him as an anachronistic nuisance who makes funny speeches at election times. Shiv Sena today only has noise value, with even its core constituency is split, depleting its strength in Mumbai (which is pretty much all it ever ruled anyway). Further, Shiv Sena does not send armed militants into other countries, so the comparison is not really apt. But feel free to believe whatever you want. @SharifL Not all Indian papers have the same reporting standards of Dawn and ET - and are therefore frequented by a different class of visitors. While the title may be an anathema to some in Pakistan, I recommend you visit The Hindu or possibly The Indian Express, which is are secular, serious newspapers, albeit a bit boring if you expect the irresponsible (but sometimes exciting) reporting styles of Times of India or Hindustan Times. In fact, you may also find the same jingoism in foreign sites (example CNN) which are frequently trolled by well-meaning but negative patriots from both sides - often even the Americans/ European comments seem to have the same flavor. But I appreciate your genuine comments, which will be strongly seconded by many like us on this side of the border.
@ali tanoli:
Your comfort level with a group that may be not of your own is commendable. And you are absolutely right it depends in what surroundings you grow up with, and find acceptance within that grouping. Anyone who moves to a culture like America discovers that despite all the differences people can still find common ground and learn to live and enjoy the best that each culture has to give in terms of food, language etc.
But most people can still relate easily to someone who can speak a common language and share similar appreciation for somwhat common food. With the Sub continental people whether from India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka or Pakistan there is considerable common ground that people can share.
My own generation was the cause of all the hatred which came to a point of self perpetuating hatred. Younger people who didn't expereince the rejection and hatred based on religion should be able to overcome the differences better. Education and a conscious effort to bridge the differences will eventually manifest itself in the Common Market of Desiland. The future generations will eventually speak much like Sarkozy and Merkel do in a common cause to save the Euro today despite hundreds of years of disagreement, wars and hatred.
Hate Mania, negative Prejudices, Fears etc etc etc is the creation of a handful of people.....according to the snowball effect.
@SherifL, It was racist comment i have ever seen man u look respected man and i have respect for u but i like more U.P urdu speaking peoples than any other community in pakistan its may be i grew up in karachi and i have many best friend were urdu speakers and i love kashmir i dont know but i do and want to see some solution in my life hopefully godwilling.
We are brothers and we shall unite. Its for the betterment of both.
@Jyoti Malhotra I wish things would have been as simple as described in your article.
Your insight is correct on how general public has started to look at the issue. Honestly, having met many great Indian people, I have come to understand that this animosity is not worth it. As SharifL has mentioned above, people from both sides have to act as if they are brand ambassadors for their country wherever they are engaged in posting comments or views about each other. That way, we will be able to close out this gap faster than expected.
It would make a lot of sense if both India and Pakistan could learn to co-exist peacefully. Both countries have enormous talent, skill, and resources. Only if they could reduce their defense spending and allocate those resources wisely. I dream of India and Pakistan becoming great neighbors in the future. Long live India-Pak friendship. Pakistan zindabad.
Very logical...despite all hue and cry...majority of population does not approve of the likes of JD.Situation is same as in Mumbai in our country....90% people do not approve of Thackreys but are criminally silent whereas 10% supporters come on street to create fear.Had it not been so Mumbai would have been another Beirut.Moral of the story is...DO NOT GIVE SO MUCH SPACE IN MEDIA TO THE GROUPS LIKE JD OT TTP ..IGNORE THEM AND THEY WILL REACH TO THEIR LOGICAL END IN DUE COURSE OF TIME.
It will take a long time before the hate mania is replaced with good will on both sides. But we must all try harder in that direction. There is no alternative to peaceful coexistence and friendly relations. In Pakistan the army and kashmiris do not like that, but they have to be convinced. Hate is a sickness and must be won. In European and Indian newspapers, I read some very insulting comments by Indians about Pakistan. So it is not a one sided disliking. I have some Indian friends and find we have a lot in common. But we avoid tricky subjects like Kashmir or water supply. I disagree but respect their views. I hope one day we have conquered the distrust and will become friends. It is so nice to just go to Amritsar from Lahore and come back on the same day. Pakistan has to remain democratic and the evil of terrorism must be fought with more vigor. If I admit that I enjoy the company of Punjabi Hindus or Sikhs more than UP immigrants, I am not condemning the later group, just telling the way I feel.