A series of recent meetings with serving and retired foreign ministry officials in Tokyo also suggest that they consider an improvement in the Indo-Pakistan matrix crucial for regional peace and stability. Most Japanese believe Pakistan has to think of ways of improving relations with India. Most of these officials, however, place the greater onus of responsibility on India; the Indian economy is leapfrogging and to keep the momentum, New Delhi needs to smoothen its ties with Islamabad, rather than drumming up jingoism.
One of the ambassadors pointed to the Japan-Korea model of political and business relations to argue that India, being in a much stronger and comfortable position, shall have to demonstrate magnanimity.
“South Koreans always complained about Japanese companies. They were rarely happy with us till (we) began compromising but the moment we started treating them as equal partners, they changed altogether,” said one of the senior most officials responsible for southwest Asia. Seoul, today, is almost equal to Japan in credibility, economic contribution and its role in global politics.
Officials explained that the unusual development of Korea-Japan relations came about only because of the conditions Japan created for Korean companies. This, of course, was in the interests of Japan as well.
Several Korean companies have simply surpassed many Japanese firms and industries. “Respect for Korean companies in Japan today is as much as that for traditional Japanese multinationals and that is why Korean officials and business houses now speak at par with the Japanese,” an official pointed out to peddle the argument that India will most probably have to initiate some major confidence building measures (CBMs) to raise the level of comfort in Islamabad. Tokyo also welcomes Pakistan’s decision to accord India MFN status. This will improve Indian trust in Pakistan and probably prompt it to be more magnanimous than it has been until now.
Japanese officials and academia also insist that, as an emerging regional power, India also needs to fix its relations with all its neighbouring countries. They, however, believe that for winning the confidence of the international community and of India, Pakistan, too, will have to demonstrate its commitment to the cause of peace and counterterrorism. Its military and civilian leadership will have to think out-of-box on how to massage the Indian ego, without compromising on the fundamentals. For Pakistan’s Japanese well-wishers, too, groups such as Jaish-e-Mohammad, Lashkar-e-Taiba, or the Haqqani network continue to raise questions about Pakistan’s counter-terror commitment, and they (the well-wishers) wonder why Islamabad cannot clearly state its compulsions/limitations as far as the Haqqani network or Lashkar-e-Taiba is concerned.
Without a clearly defined rationale for reliance on, or some business relationship with, non-state actors, Islamabad should not hope to evoke sympathy or empathy for its policy. It is time for it to move to a security framework that relies on the economic strengths of the country rather than on obscurantist private militias, which have stigmatised the country beyond repair. It will take decades to make amends for the sociopolitical costs that an unrealistic security paradigm has inflicted on Pakistan.
Published in The Express Tribune, November 24th, 2011.
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The author should have said the other way around about Japanese attitude towards S. Korea. S.Korea has patiently put up with Japanese narrow-mindness and its historic falsification. S.Korea have persistently showed magnanimity for Japan throughout history because she is a neighbor country and many Japanese upper-class people have the Korean root including royal family.
If Japanese officials said to the author the opposite way, they absolutely lied to the author. Japan occupied Korea 36 years from 1910 to 1945. However, before Japan became the first westernized country in East Asia late 19 century, Korea always played dominant role over Japan intelligently and culturally throughout history. Now Korea is on the verge of going back to her role over Japan which Korea is used to historically.
Gul Sahib
Just read your article about the Japanese compassionate view of Pakistani situation. Now, i would not be honest if I didn't sense a bit of irony here, or didn't recall Gandhi's 'advice' to people outside of India about the best way of dealing with their adversaries. Yet, utltimatly, the Japanese scholars/officials surely meant well for everyone. Their advice should be followed. In that respect, no matter what Indians and Pakistanis may think of each other, you have made a good start by asking that political establishments first prevent extra-legal entities from pursuing their own foreign policy agendas. It would make no sense for either of us to engage each other politically if both of us believe the other cannot deliver on the promises of peace made in negotiations or other forms of mutual engagements. Best.
Two points for those of us who do desire peace: one addressed mostly to Indians, the other mostly to Pakistanis. Peace, if it has to come, can only come in stages (so let's be careful of those on either side who herald a new era of peace and brotherhood between India and Pakistan every new year). So the author has honestly addressed the most troublesome of issue which makes any peace initiative a nonstarter on either side - stat''s reliance on non-state actors for fomenting violence and terrorism under any justification. Once that is taken off the table, then the two countries, if they so wish, can work toward warming up their relationship, or go their separate ways, if they so desire. As the larger of the two countries, and seemingly more successful of the two, India or Indians shouldn't worry overmuch about whether Pakistanis love us or not. The same for Pakistanis. If they did not nurse the fear that Indians are out to get them or destroy them, then would be free to befriend India, or not, depending upon their own goals and visions for tomorrow. SECONDLY, Pakistanis may want to appreciate that they deserve to be treated with equality and with respect. Yet equality and respect do not come easily - even if our situation seems very unfair to us. The tiny island of UK ruled over us all. Those handful of people had greater say and weight, and respect than both of us put together. Some of us may hate them and blame them for all kinds of misdeeds, but the fact remains that they earned their higher standing in the international comity of nations. To our Pakistani brothers I would request that if you can beat India (a country you would recognize much bigger than yours), in some fields or in all fields, that is great. India will have to work harder to match up to you. If not, try your best to better yourselves until one day you might get ahead of India. So long as neither of us is driven by a destructive mindset, our goals have to be to become the best we can be, not just equals to each other. Larger countries naturally have some advantages. But other countries have advantages on other scores. Let's just make the best positive use of the advantages each one of us has been given, so we can ALL do better, without worrying too much about equality from the start. That will create a positive momentum.
Imtiaz Gul Sahib
This is a very constructive write-up. India and Pakistan may differ on many fronts but they can work together toward mutual peace, if the two really so desire. Even if not all people agree with Japan-South Korea analogy, you have laid out a viable way forward.
first of all we should understand why this hate between India and pakistan, (while we were bothers, one country).
During span of 64 years pakistan always did something mischievous. All efforts of peace from India Not a single initiative from Pakistan.
If pakistan people / Leaders needs a good relation should come forward openly for peace. If they step one for improvement in relation we will step two for that.
We should rid off hate and spread love with help of own people/ leaders efforts. Be positive for Improvement in good relation from both side.
Regards
I will submit once again - as most guys and girls , many writing under psudonyms - miss the core point; the analogy Japan-Korea comes from high-placed Japanese officials and not my invention, and I respect their empathy towards Pakistan.
@imtiaz Gul: Mr Gul, I understand the message "lets move beyond the historical bitterness". Actually India has moved far beyond the histoprical bitterness. Don't take me by my word - visit India - go to the remotest village or the biggest city. No one will say India wants to destroy Pakistan. In fact India has moved way beyond - our focus now is on emulating the progress of China; trying to better our lives and approach the level of development of the Western Nations. Just today we have liberalised the $500 billion retail market inspite of great pains and opposition - just because we want to shop in a civilised way - not haggling with a rick-shaw cart. Our focus is in economics and development and of course reduction of poverty and corruption.
But why is it that we keep hearing from Pakistan - things like '1000 year war' ; '1000 cuts'; 'Hindu-conspiracy ( when we are secular!); even attacks on India by attackers regognised by the world are from Pakistan and yet - Pakistan does nothing - even turns a blind eye. You need not look further - just look at JUD rallies - ridiculously proclaiming - Indian cannot be an MFN!!! While they have no knowledge of Trade and what MFN means - what it does reveal is a deap-seated atavistic and unexplained hostility to India.Why? Why Mr Gul? Can you explain?You never hear of such things from India - do you? SO you needs to move on beyond "historical bitterness"? India or Pakistan?
@Imtiaz Gul Sir: I have a neighbour who keeps his family locked in basement, has kept barrels full of petrol all over in his house, is wearing a suicide jacket and has guns in both hands; one pointing to his own head and other he keeps waving around. He has a proven crime record, many experts have certified him to be a lunatic, he has attacked me many times in the past and every now and then he gets hysterical, jumping up and down showing the gun and shouting threatening abuses and 'mar daalunga' 'kaat daalunga'
Sir I am ready to accept the 'onus is on me' and I sincerely want to make peace with this neighbour and have normal neighbourly relation if not friendship. Just tell me HOW?
If necessary you can ask the Japanese experts but pleeeease sir, do answer my question.
(P.S. its not just about 'historical' bitterness. Even now I can see him jumping and shouting through my window)
@poor peace! Most of the pakistanis are like me they want peace but they want to be equally treated my friend but issue is that we have a rivalry and both of us are taught ,projected evil to other.There is a lot of mistrust which comes from this enmity.Lets strengthen hands who want friendship and have hope for the good for our future generations.
@Hu Jintao: poor paki..you are so ashamed of who you are that you giv yourself a chinese name...first seek help and then attempt to make comments...haha
@sohaib: and you pakis are so paranoid that you cannot accept anything being said about pakistan...such fear of India.....just stay under your rock....
Sarcastically saying: One thing is for sure, being a Pakistani, I have to see everything with disdain. One can easily comprehend the dissemination of pessimism after observing the comments written in response to this article. The writer is only suggesting the ways to improve condition of South Asia by drawing analogies, but it seems like we are stuck in a state of denial and don't want to break the shackles of statues-quo. South Asia clearly needs drastic changes in order to change the perception associated with it, but why?
@Meekal Ahmed Sahab What about U.S.A debt it is now covering whole american economy what will happend???? second thing i see lot indians friend comenting about all problem is created by pakistan and india is so innocent they dont do any thing in pakistan please wake up guys Imtiaz Gul sahab giving here very nice opinion and we shall respect him.
Sir,
I don't think many countries have much to learn from Japan's prolonged and seeingly endless decades of deflationary stagnation with debt now at 200% of GDP.
Japan, once a country to be admired and emulated, seems to be trapped in a time-warp.
@Allah Ditta: " ...Wrong anology. Japan directly ruled Korea for over 50 years and had dominant role in history prior to that. Here, Pakistanis Muslim ruled India for thousand years.... "
You know India has just got MFN status from Pakistan, our Baniyas will own all of Pakistan in the next 25 years - just like it was before partition.
@moderator why my comment was censored ?.... i didn't offend anyone
For over 25 years Pakistan has been following a policy of bleeding India with a1000 cuts. how can Indian people just forget and forgive especially when Pakistan has not even given up that policy?
@Imtiaz Gul A lot seems to have already been covered by my fellow Indians, but there are still a couple of points: 1. Korean goods hardly sell in Japan - I have been in Japan for a long time and I know how Japanese feel about Samsung/ LG/ Hyundai etc. So most of the content in your article is built on platitudes while the reality is different. 2. Japan and South Korea compete for global market share - their domestic markets are strongly protected by consumers with a preference for their own brands (more so in Japan than in Korea). 3. The comparison is built rather simplistically - on strong economy vs weaker economy with some historical issues but no current problems (maybe a couple of island disputes, that is all). This is not the case with India-Pak. 4. Both SK and Japan are allies of the US with strong US presence in both islands - not like India and Pak where friendships are built on the insecurities of the other. 5. Despite all the above points, Japan will end up moving closer to India (or will be nudged by the US, as China begins to flex its muscles. Pak is used to playing the poodle to a bigger power, and will assume this role for China with alacrity.
My Indian brothers .Lets not play in the hands of hoaxes your concerns are true about pakistan but this allegation and counter allegation has lead us to no where. We accept our internal shortcomings but pakistan has been spoiled by world powers we are trying to get rid of this militancy and extermist mindset.We need your support if pak remains unstable you will also suffer.Please dont spread hate.Spread harmony.Please.
@kakar: Dude, its nt question of blaming Pakistan , but giving wrong analogy and example of Jap-Kor here..U missed the point.. NO proud Indian wud say, Indian- Pak should have good relation. But the Imtiazji's opinion is based on flawed premise.
@imtiaz Gul: You are shocked at the response of the Indians but never cared to address the points they raised. Majority of the Indians desire friendly relations with Pakistan. But as Naraya murthy pointed out each of the good will act by India was answered by more terror attacks by Pakistan blaming shamelessly on the non-state actors. How do you expect our relationship to blossom like Japan-S Korea?
@sohaib:
Can’t argue with the keen sense of the obvious of yours. The author is trying to make very biased point with selective facts. History shows India has gone out of its way to build confidence but Pakistan always believe that India wants to conquer Pakistan and doesn’t believe in two nation theory.
When India had a chance to control East Pakistan (Bangladesh) it did not and mutual trade and development is taking place between the two. So, the Indian dude is making an accurate observation.
When Express Tribune starts publishing in Urdu or Arabic, ROW will stop commenting on stupid article such as this. You know what that kind Ostrich mentality has gotten you thus far.
The debate and interventions by a number of Indian friends miss a central point; it is Japanese senior officials' view, just how they think things between India and Pak can improve. And I have no qualms in acknowledging that I tend to agree with their pragmatic view. Let us move beyond historical bitterness, is the message.
Dear dudes both Pakistani or Indian ; it’s not the time to high light the differences . The aim of the writer is solely to appreciate the Indian PM as well as PAK PM for taking steps to improve their relations. If we are always blaming each other than obviously we will not be able attain consensus so it’s necessary to think above minor differences and should support our leaders to take such steps that are beneficial in the interest of both nations.
Dear Imtiaz Gul,
No Indian, including me, will ever say that India should not improve relationship with Pakistan. We are all for that.
However, comparison of Pakistan (which has waged four wars on India) to South Korea is what angered most Indians. Pakistan is notorious, today, for various nefarious activities and yet, you choose to compare it with South Korea.
@Hu Jintao
First of all, Arundhati Roy is not a journalist. When you make a single mistake in your sweeping statements, you expose your spite and ignorance.
Also, India has not suppressed anything in Kashmir. If Kashmiri Muslims don't want to live with Hindus, they can leave for Pakistan.
Question of losing a part of our country doesn't arise.
@imtiaz Gul: Sir Common People wants peace and prosperity.. To achieve peace both the country has to work together and not against each other.. To start with, Plz understand the common man who has nothing to do with this India Pak fight.. On Pakistan's part it has stop harboring terrorist and stop using it as a state policy. Organizations like LeT, JEM, HUJI should be rooted out to see the real benefit of Peace.. with out it no matter how hard our leaders try just one terrorist strike will root out all the efforts we have been taking so far....
@Hu Jintao: what about Buddhists of Tibet; Mr Hu? Or do only Muslims have human rights?
Wrong anology. Japan directly ruled Korea for over 50 years and had dominant role in history prior to that. Here, Pakistanis Muslim ruled India for thousand years.
Imtiazji - Thanks for a positive article, but understand India knows its responsibility towards its neighbour, be it Sri Lanka, Nepal, Burma,Bhutan, Bangladesh & China.
There are differences even with those countries but no hatred and over next 2 decades this countries will reap the benefit as India grows.
The issue is what role will Pakistan play in future - For comparision will it be Canada or Mexico with regards to its neighbour.
The choice is for Pakistan to make.
what a comparison ?? India has never been an aggresor like Japan in past or korea has neven been a state like pakistan . korea has not adopted terrorism as a state policy or korea has not occupied some territory of japan . It is laughable.
Japanese have invaded Korea, China and Indo-China (SE Asia) and committed some of the worst atrocities known to man. No matter how much they try to make people forget by being "magnanimous" it is not enough. India in poised to overtake Japan in terms of size of the Economy by 2030. Soon they'll be running to India to learn.
@imtiaz Gul: Dear Author: You should not be shocked at the furious Indian responses to this non-sensical article.
We have been making these theme bollywood movies since ages (Do Bhai, Do raste, bhabhi.... etc)wherein the younger brother keeps on screwing the older brother, yet justifying his actions and demanding that older brother must show magnanimity to prove his olderness. Time to change the bollywood movie script. so, dont get surprised anymore, just accept.
@imtiaz Gul: Dear Imtiazji , you & Jap officials have missed the basic point when some one attempts to make such comparisons. Had Korea attacked Japan so often and used its soil to kill Japanese innocent people , as done by Pakistan , would Japanese shown such magnanimity not just Korea but to any one? I have serious doubts on Japs, as they are one of colonial powers of the WWII vintage. Let us not become victim of foreigner's words..let us use our own judgments and analysis. Please read my message, instead of generalizing and making sweeping statements, it would have been fair, had you presented views of both sides.
Japanese didn't have the experience of some 10 South Korean terrorists goes on rampage, mass killing a hundred people at Tokyo's streets. It is very easy give advice, but the most striking reality is no country on the earth would want to be a neighbor of Pakistan.
I am shocked at the responses from our Indian friends. I tried to just convey the sense of coversation with very senior Japanese officials and academics. There is always a reason for bad relations and continued engagement is always the way to remove reasons. Japanese officials - and I agree with that - have been speaking precisely of the same attitude that comes through some of the responses to my article.
@HU, We dont want peace with you fair and simple if you want us to reconsider our LOC . Thanks .keep the pakistani piece with you and we will keep Indian peace with us.
Seoul does not have terrorist camps exclusively meant for Japan. Seoul does not teach hatred for Japan. Seoul does not have terror groups as a legit defence policy.
And Seoul does not send terrorists by sea to Japan !!!
PS: The average Indian, man on street, is terrified of Pakistan. So, the onus lies elsewhere.
@amit: I laugh at your ignorance. How long can you people suppress the voice of Kashmiris even your own journalists like arundhati roy have realised the truth of atrocities and terrorism commited by indian state. keeping a 700,000 military their should tell you what game is being played.
massacre of Kashmiris, mass secret graves, open daylight rape of women and abduction of citizens by your army is normality
Give Kashmir its rightful independence than we can think of "peace"
The Japanese are not aware that it was India which started the nukes arms race and invaded Kashmir and Siachin
India is the Israel of the region
"India also needs to fix its relations with all its neighbouring countries"WE HAVE BETTER BUISNESS RELATION WITH NEIGHBOURS COUNTRIES UNLIKE PAKISTAN . THEY SEND TERRORISTS IN KASHMIR TO DESTEBLIZE INDIA.
India with its size, strength and potential, can always afford to be magnanimous to its neighbors, which it is..but for towards western neighbor. This attitude of India towards Pakistan is for obvious reasons. These reasons don't exist between Japan and S Korea. S korea has never made misadventures with security of Japan or killed innocent Japanese by its citizens operating from Korea..!! Hence this comparison has basic flaw to start itself and it should end here itself. But that doesn't mean, relationship cant improve between both neighbors. India has greater role to play and its in own selfish interest to have cordial relationship with all neighbors and treat them equally, as we don't have to fear any one, even China. China being bigger in size is aging rapidly..and has structural fault line in their political structure.
I agree with the Indian Dude.
India-Pakistan is like Japan-North Korea.
South Korea has never been a rogue state, sponsoring terror and issuing threats to Japan.
@DILU
Nobody is blaming India. I guess you don't understand English properly. They are only putting the onus on India.
It's like how parents put the onus on the good elder son to take care of the petulant younger son.
@DILU: India dont need to show any magnanimity to pakistan. they are not worth it.
S. Korea dont send terrorist's to japan to fight a thousand cut war. japanese talk of things they know nothing about. let them talk, who cares.
"One of the ambassadors pointed to the Japan-Korea model of political and business relations to argue that India, being in a much stronger and comfortable position, shall have to demonstrate magnanimity."
I don't understand this part.
After Vajapayee's visit, Kargil happened.
After Manmohan's sincere peace efforts, 26/11 happened.
And, please drop the 'non state actors' excuse. Nobody is a fool here.
So, perhaps, the author can give an example of what kind of magnanimity India should display and perhaps, also mention what would Pakistan do in return?
@DILU: "That is why all of the neighbours of India hate India."
This is true for Pakistan. Which neighbor of Pakistan adores it?
There is this argument put forth by all and sundry in Pakistan: since India is the bigger country of the two, the onus is on India to make bigger sacrifices, and since India does not do that India is supposed to be a big country with a small heart.
The author is laying out the same absurd expectation using his "Japan Foundation/Tokyo" affiliation.
And I very much doubt that Japanese officials "place the greater onus of responsibility on India;".
Pakistani analysts, as far I am concerned, do mis-interpret what they hear and read, as per their conveniences.
Does South Korea ever executed a cross border terror act like Mumbai and Parliament attack in Japan,If not, where is the comparison with these country and India-Pakistan.
@IndianDude,@PoorPeace: Look at the your attitude. Even neutral parties like Japan are blaming you. But you guys are willing to put entire burden on Pakistan. That is why all of the neighbours of India hate India.
---What India has to do --- India drumming up jingoism ?? India have to demonstrate magnanimity India has to initiate some major confidence building measures (CBMs India also needs to fix its relations with all its neighbouring countries
--What pakistan has to do--- Its military and civilian leadership will have to think out-of-box on how to massage the Indian ego,without compromising on the fundamentals.
What is Pakistan Fundamentals?? Real confuse here ,We would like you to elaborate little more of your fundamentals ,As far as we have seen in last 60 yrs ,That funda was no good. If everything india has to do to repair this relationship and make pakistan prosper then India has many more poor to look after in her on backyard. India do not have to think about poor of South asian.
Japan started treating South Korea as equal partners
Sir Respectfully ,You are comparing Apple with Oranges By Equating India-Pak to Japan -Korea--They havent fought any war in the history.They have no religious challenges.and they are not ruled directly or indirectly by army.
@IndianDude:
Exactly. The author made a good attempt but failed to realise why the situation today is as it is. India being a bigger economy has made several consessions, like giving the MFN status as long back as 1996, declaration of no first use of nueclear arms, etc which are more than what the author calls CBMs, In return Pakistan is not willing to punish those responsible for attacks in India. In fact they are using them as assets!
@IndianDude:
Pakistan has many problems but is NOT North Korea. It is an open, flexible, liberalized economy with full convertibility on the external current account and de factor convertibility on the capital account. It has virtually no controls or bans or restrictions of any kind. It also has a flexible, market-determined exchange rate and is open to FDI inflows from anywhere with full guarantees of dividend and profit repatriation.
That is alot more you can say about India Mr IndianDude-- leave alone North Korea!
@IndianDude, you guys have this problem of commenting on anything related to Pakistan. The writer is making the Japan-Korea relationship in historical context. There existed and still exists a deep grudge between Korea and Japan and this is the historical baggage from the days of Japanese occupation of Korea and and their persecution. North Korea is not compared here because North Korea separated from South and its economic model and trajectory was totally different from Japan. So instead of using their grudges against each other to stunt development, they used it as a strength to stimulate it. Korea wanted to be like Japan because it wanted to beat it in own game. The difference between Pakistan and India is not as stark as it was between Japan and Korea. So a sustained period of peace and economic development will bring Pakistan very close to where India is, if not equal. That's what the comparison is all about if your myopic vision and tiny brain can accommodate that.
The author has made a bad comparison. The situation between India-Pak is more like japan-noth korea, not Japan-south Korea as the author eludes to. Pakistan is more like north korea.