Bogey: JF-17 ‘Thunder’ crash jolts plans to sell aircraft
The tragic incident took place a day after Pakistan Air Force (PAF) exhibited the jets for sale at the Dubai Air Show, at a price almost one third of conventional F-16 fighter jets.
The jet crashed near Mansar Town after taking off from Kamra Airbase.
Although PAF officials did not offer any comments on the crash, several media reports highlighted that the jet was a frontline JF-17 Thunder combat manufactured with cooperation of China.
An official statement released by PAF authorities, however, did not mention the make of the plane. “A PAF jet aircraft, while on a routine training mission, crashed due to technical malfunction,” it said.
The PAF is in process to equip itself with two squadrons of JF-17 jets at present and planning to raise another squadron by early next year.
Media reports suggested that the pilot, Squadron Leader Muhammad Hussain, was killed as his parachute did not open after he bailed out of the aircraft. The pilot’s body was found about two kilometers from the site of the crash.
“The pilot was fatally injured. No loss of civilian life or property has been reported on ground,” added the statement.
The law enforcement agencies cordoned off the area after the incident. PAF rescue teams have launched an operation to clear the debris after dispatching helicopters and rescue teams to the crash site.
Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman has ordered an inquiry into the mishap, a PAF official told The Express Tribune. JF-17 Thunder was jointly manufactured by Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra and China Aero-technology Import Export Corporation.
Published in The Express Tribune, November 15th, 2011.
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i dont think this will effect the sales. they will probably look into it and resolve the problem. every fighter jets can crash. even the best, like the f-22 raptor have crashed. actually jf-17's record is very good as there has only been one crash so far. but its sad that the pilot's parashute didnt deploy. that needs to be resolved.
Lol this is what happens when you buy $10 million planes....chinese junk nothing more than a fireworks show...fell pity on pilots forced to fly this plane.
@nine_zero , your GODS speeches are sheer example of stage drama, but every body knows you (MQM) that you are anti ISLAM and anti Pakistan
Hey guys y u are getting so depressed and posting msgs like four JF-17 for one F-16..we should know that once any aircraft is manufactured it surely has some descrepencies left behind..we can also luk at the crash record of F-16s..they also got crashed..and today SU-30 also got crashed..so thats not the big deal..yes off course em sad of that officer got martyred in tragic incident
why r u guys criticizing the plane so much. Even very expensive and high tech planes can developed technical faults during flights. Many F-16s have crashed . Last year a F-22 crashed. Nobody criticized them this much.
That was a big loss for pakistan.
@Amin: Hello dear...for your kind info it is only China which is providing us with the latest aircrafts..and as far as I know there technology is as good as Europeans..while Americans are far ahead in air craft manufacturing..10 years ahead of Europe and I think 20 to 30 years ahead of Russia..and such incidents does happen..and the world has seen aircrafts from boeing and airbus falling from the skies.. what about the UK Harriers and US F35s..just check the youtube.. and about American F15 aircrafts, which are the backbone of USAF..they were manufactured by boeing and they are facing problems in their structure and they are in the process of overhauling ..and be careful these are made man things and people learn from experience..we will learn with time and with the grace of Allah will master this art too...Pakistan Zindabad..JF 17 rolls..and InshaAllah we will figure out the problem soon..and ours engineers will fix it..dont worry Pakistanis you are in safe hands....And InshaAllah we will built more planes even better than F22 raptors..
A great loss for Pakistan....
May Allah rest his soul in peace and Enter him in higher grades of jannah.
PAF must investigate this indecent and let us know about the truth without hiding anything.
It's not time to criticize... Its time to investigate....
Indeed it is really an unfortunate incident. RIP Sqn Ldr M.Hussain. I am an Indian and not here to make fun of a loss of life. I request all my fellow countrymen to please not write something which hurt somebody.
Sameer
altough it is right that jf17 crashed,but we should understand the fact that it was recently esembled in Pakistan and was passing through test phases and yet not operational.
Second media did wrong by publishing such news in such time(dubai air show),which is 100% not in Pakistan intrest.
I agree to the comments of one of our brother that we people have become so callus that we make fun of the loss of human lives and that stands true for both sides of the border. May Allah Bless the soul of the soldier who lost his life. The machine will definitely get improvement after identification of fault / problem that has caused a loss of life. We must not forget it can happen to anyone anywhere in the world.
I am very sorry to know the loss of Sqd.Leader M Hussain. This is the lesson for every Pakistani critics, Who are always making fun of our Indian Pilot on every crash. One of my Pakistani brother very well said."While IAF is getting planes according to their needs we are getting cheap planes which are for poorer countries"
China itself did not buy a single JF-17 thunder for it's air-force.This means that they are selling and dumping cheap goods to us.We should stop making more of these chinese toys to decrease the death toll.
May Allah SWT elevate his rank in Jannat-ul-Firdous and Bestow so much sabr-e-Jameel to his loved ones aameen. He is truly a Brave Hero ! Most of time we hear that pilot embraced shahadat because his parachute failed to open...its very sad we have lost another precious life
May his soul rest in peace. I personally knew him. He was just like a friend. Actually he was brother of my best friend and he was a great and brave guy.What a great loss I am feeling disappointed on cheap comments if those are from true Pakistanis because you donot what you have lost.
Very sad incident indeed. I know Sqd leader hussain from school days. He was an exceptional pilot. Won best flying trophy from Risalpur acdemy, exceptional record on F-7P , F-16 Falcon and then on JF-17 he was the member of the very first quadron selected to fly JF-17. Hussain faced the similar situation while he was flying f-7 aircraft few years back. His aircraft systems faild and engine cought fire but still managed to land on an abadoned airsrtip. Indeed a brave pilot. He is a great loss for Pakistan. Allah fearing , Very nice human bieng and a good father. Airforce must investigate this event and let we all know about the findings without hiding anything. A great pilot has lost his life for this country. May Allah rest his soul in peach in and Enter him in higher grades of jannah.
Now how does a crash is a set back to ambitions to sell the jet? Is this a self concluded assumption or does it hold any grounds? Obvious lack of know how in aircraft industry on this newspapers part. Wake up, it's not the first jet to have crashed in development or deployment. The F22 raptor's, world's only operational 5th gen fighter, ENTIRE fleet is grounded for past ton of months because the fighter has a big problem with its oxygen generation system at high altitudes and guess what the problem isn't getting resolved. At least 2 F22 raptors have crashed to date (which you wouldn't think could ever crash) and the problem has been in flight control system. There has been issues with its RAM coatings for stealth and all and you wana say JF-17 crash is a set back?
The F-35 is delayed by 3 years at least, with problems taking the plane to a near end of the program. The US is buying UK's harrier fleet from 80s and 90s to give its navy what they wanted to give by F35s.
Eurofighters have crashed, rafales have crashed, gripens have crashed, all planes have crashed but all have been inducted and kept selling. a plane crashing doesn't prove anything about its incapability, just that anything can happen for 100s of reasons. if you dont understand the air craft industry, don't make speculations. JF-17 will keep flying, and it will sell. wait and watch.
@Acorn Guts: yes ,sad but true that was him ,,was in Farnborough last year along with my husband . Hussain bhai you'll always be missed.please pray for the departed soul
well.....its gud to b optimistic about da features of jf17 and its comparison wid modern aircrafts but i guess da more imp thing is dat a precious life has been lost which is a matter of worry for all of us....if u see history of aircraft crash so we will cum to knw dat death ratio of pilots is almost negligible due to superb ejecting system of the aircraft but in dis incident dere was a malfunction in da ejecting system..........imp point is dat jf17 was exhibited for sale in dubai air show and due to dis i guess dis aircraft will loose credibility.....any ways my condolences for the family member of da martyred pilot.............God bless pakistan
Well.... I m surprised with so many negative comments... Y dont u look at F16's 30 years of history... The current F16 is evoluted and reached at maturity... On the other hands...JF 17 is at the start of its age and it normally happens in such type of complicated and sophisticated technologies... like all other aircrafts inlcluding B2,F22 raptor, Sukhui, Mig, etc ..All are having a crashing history... So I wish PAF best of luck.
Great loss of a life.
May Allah grant you a place in Jannah Squadron Leader Muhammad Hussain.
RIP Sqn Ldr M.Hussain. I wish one day people will come out and say we dont need these things, spend this money on people. I recall Austria bought only two Euro fighters and people came out on streets and govt who bought these did not win next elections. Also Austria has army = 4000 troops only and that's why spends all budget on people.
May Allah Bless the soul of the Shaheed pilot..... JF-17 Thunder is an amazing fighter Jet in its own dimensions... and when u r developing new technologies u encountered problems and that's how u become perfect...it’s a risky learning process........Many F-16, Mirage and Euro fighters have been crashed....that doesn’t mean that there is problem with technology.....I believe the most expensive stealth bomber B2 crashed few years back.........at least we have developed an potent option ....... as compared to Indian Air force which is still flying ...Flying Cofins....
GREAT LOSS: Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji’un May Allah rest his soul in peace
Grow up everybody, aviation history is littered with such crashes. But it serves as warning to people like "sun set" who comment with glee everytime there is an Indian plane or rocket failure. Remember these things happen and do result in loss of human life.
@Stenson: I totally agree with your point of you . But it is a sad commentry on situation it happend right at that time when you are advitising your product in the market. Espcially when it has no trac record. Chinese are not as smart as American or European as for as machine are concerned neither they have exprience. They are new chicken the barn. They will have to go long way to come to American or Japnese standard. I am sorry for losing such promising life. may the Lord give to Sqr.Ldr Hussain,s family peace and strenght to bear such great loss.Our heart goes to them.
@Rehmat: Is it also sad for you to think about the 1000 years of Muslim rule over South Asia? Stop this silliness my Indian friends. Planes from all air forces do crash from time to time because they are put through extreme training conditions. F 22, F 16 F 15 F 14 - all of the top US palnes have crashed from time to time and need investigations.
Sad to hear untimely death of a such intleligent,presious,and young life. He died for his country and mother land. Machines can be replaced but not young Son of the land. Sqr.Ldr Hussain you will be always remebered and honured in the annals of Pakistan's Air foce. I pray the Lord give your family strength to bear this loss. may the Lord keep all your family under His protection.I pray to the Lord Almighty God who is able to keep you from falling and present you from falling and to presnt you before His glorious presence without fault and with Joy---to the only God our savior, our strength and our only hope ,majesty,power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord,before all ages,now aand forevermore,may your soul Sqr.Ldr. Hussain ave everlasting peace in heavenly abode. Amen.
It is sad how people are treating a tragic human loss with sarcasm and amuse. I bet you do not even have the guts to drive your car over 100 km/h, this young man put his life on the line to serve this country. Have some respect at the very least.
This incident is like 1971 surrender.Sad
@Khan: The point is that your moral brigade started disowning Kargil when Mushy and your government was caught red handed by Clinton/India, otherwise you guys would have never accepted that Kargil was a misadventure and that show how much you actually respect your Army and soldiers.
@Khan: If Karachi to Peshawar is the only functional rail segment in a nation of 180 million, then I rest my case
@Khan: One correction. Its not 'requires money from the government', it is 'requires money from dawood ibrahim'!
Read this below; Mr. Nine Zero, about the F-16 aircraft US made: MADISON, Wis. - U.S. Air Force investigators say the engine failed in a fighter plane that crashed in central Wisconsin this past summer. [ Go & check F-16 statistics] We are learning, & we shall learn from accident, a better Air Craft, inshaAllah.
@Meekal Ahmed: Am amused at people like you, where were Pakistanis like you when infamous dictator:- Musharraf had launched a proxy war on India at Kargil and your state was refusing to accept the bodies of your own soldiers?? !! What happened to the morality then?
No question in my mind that it was RAW+MOSSAD+CIA Conspiracy by sending bunch of birds from Afghanistan border which were sucked by our great Air Craft. It's matter of time before US will start ordering JF-17 Thunder Aircrafts because they will not be able to afford to buy F-16s. As mentioned earlier, we should put them up on "Fire Sale" by a slogan "Pay for one & get three JF-17 free".
@Khurram Dastageer: Thank you for comparing it with latrine soap .. But don't forget if you want to start making soap instead of buying it expensively .. you better start making it even if the first one is latrine soap .. you may be able to enhance it to a superior quality. But you will not be able to understand this simple logic because a person who still believes in terms like "ummah" and religious brotherhood can't be capable of thinking in broader scope. First, If our PAF and Army is there from past 65 years and have fought all the wars, it is because of our good relations with US and European countries as had they decided not to sell us any thing our armed forces would not have had all these Jets and other equipment we are using to safe guard our country. Secondly, the people you want to build these equipment with are not educated enough yet to make any of their own things .. It comes from creativity and education .. but they rather spend their free money on their own self serving and their own luxry like buying boeings for themselves and making houses in it or throwing the money on belly dancers.
@Javed Shaikh: The reason that you don't hear about crashes is because the plane has not been widely used till now, and China is of course notoriously secretive about anything that can impact its perception in the domestic and international arena. Pakistan does not have the wherewithal to clean up the crash site within a couple of hours and ensure that media and people in the vicinity are gagged, else it would - if it is just one person of course, it can be handled far more easily Saleem Shehzaad style. In India, the MiGs regularly crash and we are upset about this - and the reason is the age of the aircraft. This is why we are investing in the best possible aircraft going fwd, and Pakistan should do the same to avoid such loss of life. At the same time the jingoistic statements that we hear from you guys about the best air force in the world etc are quite pitiful and should be tempered with the occasional gulp of realism. You never hear such statements from Indians because, while they are proud of their country's new found progress, they know that we have a long way to go.
Very sad loss of human life, may Allah bless the departed soul. Sadly such incidents are common in our region, and as I recall the Aamir Khan movie 'Rang De Basanti' was about such an incident. The small minds here can continue arguing to lift their little egos, but that won't solve anything until we root out the corrupt people in our countries whose negligence often leads to such losses. It's good to see India collecting taxes on Indians' money stowed away in Swiss accounts, and our Supreme Court too should follow this example if it intends to make any positive impact in Pakistan.
@Zafar Karachiwala: You seem to be very happy on the loss of life and the plane!!! Are you a Pakistani??? Even if you were not a Pakistani you are a human being I believe. This was not the first jet to crash , many F-16's , F-104's, Raptors etc etc have crashed.
When I was studying in America I knew an engineer from General Dynamics(the company which launched the F-16). He was responsible for investigating the causes of crashes of the F-16. During my 4yrs stay in USA I remember him telling me of several F-16 crashes. This is the first and only crash of the JF-17. I think it will be a success story. Let the Indians worry.They don't have a similar success story
One cannot underestimate the capabilities of JF-17 Thunder because the crash could have been from a Pilot Error. Pilot errors are common, half of the crashes are due to a pilot error. I am not accusing the Pilot, May his Sould Rest in Peace, Aameen.
We cannot depend on media reports that it was JF-17. In my opinion it might be F-7 or Mirage Aircraft.
The incident appears as if there was a malfunction in the aircraft. The fact that there was no loss of life or property on the ground means that the pilot was brave enough to fly the aircraft to an area with no population or development, before ejecting. Unfortunately, the fact that his parachute did not open, points towards a second malfunction in the aircraft, this time with the ejection module, which cost Pakistan the life of a brave son. It is men like these who write history with their blood. Reminds me of Rashid Minhas Shaheed. Rest In Peace Heroes, regards, Adil Mulki
Huge Loss! May his soul rests in peace!
It is really a very bad news for Pakistan Nation. I pray to Allah almighty to secure our National property.
If there was some maintenance fault then the plane can not be blamed at all.Technical fault does not mean there is a design error.If you do not properly tighten nuts of your corolla then, can you blame Toyota company for the accident?
This is a normal occurring................. happens to the best of the AF's and best of the jets. Indians: pls stop posing & posting as Pakistanis and in addition, this is not a circus........
@ All Pakistanis None of the indians commented on the pilot who lost his life. Every one has given negetive comment on the JF17 because of which Pakistan has lost one Pilot.
Read and Think before you comment on comments.
@Pundit: I don't hear any Pakistani apologizing for the genital mutilation of brave Indian soldiers during the Kargil spat. And before you fill up a bucket with tears, realize that the blame lies with Pakistanis for making a pilot fly a rust bucket in which even the most basic safety device, an ejection seat, failed to work.
@ur reality is ........: Shame for what? For calling you people out on providing your own pilot with a rust bucket to fly?
I am suspecting there will be many more such incidents as typically happen with new aircraft. Looks like the victims will be the 1st buyers as always. Are we the only buyers???
@Khurram Dastageer: That is why we never boasted much about our project "Tejas" nor did we add the word "thunder" to it. In fact we let the report son delays and bad design surface all the time. That is why we are importing and make that fact very open. This is because we do not like to get into this kind of embarrassment where we over commit, then over-project with a dash of ego and pride and then under-deliver.
We will wait for the report from Pakistani technical experts. Only that report can be genuine. CHinese produce poor quality stuff and the report will try to show that Pakistanis made some mistakes in local production. Think about it- at leats 2 major issues- a)One or more failures leadin to crash and b)Pilot ejection system faulty leading to unnecessary death.
@Shujaat Khan: Incidengt must be investigated by Pakistan technical experts, not Chinese who are certain to publish a wishy-washy report. We want Pakistani techncial expertise on the table NOT CHINESE !!
May Allah rest his soul in peace.Love my Falcons.Missing the gr8 roaring sound of our Jets.As I belong to Attock city I really salute an other hero who sacrifice his life for nation.But hope PAF will take serious action regarding failure of parachute.Always love to hear the sound of jets in my city and consider it as beauty of the sky in our District.Shaeed Hussain I Salute you and pray for your family.For you I am please INSHALLAH you are on a better place. شہید کھبی مر تے نہیں
@M: Dont make yourself an idiot. JF-17's are equipped with Martin Baker ejections which are best in the world.
To all those Indians making fun of the aircraft...don't forget our numerous MIG crashes...think of the pilot. Even in war a soldier has utmost respect for another soldier! Whether we like it or not, Pakistanis are our bros and sisters, our house got partitioned because of vested interests but we were and are brothers. PEACE!!!
Modern fighter jets usually have "zero-zero" ejection seat systems, designed to save the pilot no matter the altitude/airspeed/attitude of the aircraft. Any flight data recorders and controller communications will help find out what happened to the jet, and why the ejection system did not save the pilot!
@Indian: I dont really like to reply back to childish emotional comments but by going what you said than 747 is also a flying coffin and that makes 737 777 and F16 F22 F18 F15 heck every aircraft including cessna a flying coffin. your IAF planes go down every now and then and they rightly called flying coffins. Its first JF-17 accident and at very suspicious timing. either it is very big coincident or a ugly plot because PAF pilots are without a doubt the best in the world and and aircrafts are kept professionally maintained. so one incident and that too on suspicious timing doesn't make it a flying coffin. over and out
How come we have never heard of a Pakistani missile failing?
@M: Shame on you and your people................. do look up aviation history and enlighten yourself and your people. Sick.........
Anyways, According to inside sources, It seems the case of Bird Strike
@Zafar Karachiwala: What kind of an insensitive idiot are you?
Message from India:
Tragic loss of life: condolence to the family of the Pilot
And may the Aircraft Project over come this setback and thrive in days to come.
Condolences to the pilot, his family and the people of Pakistan.
Now it all makes sense. It is being sold at dollar store price because there is no pilot eject system. Next thing we will learn is it uses Diesel as fuel.
The marketing of this plane is not done in a correct way.. it is now 4 jf17s for the price of one f-16 please
indeed a great loss.jf 17 is an outclass fighter jet...what puzzles me is the problem with the ejection seat because of which a well trained pilot died..planes crash..they are machines for Gods sake...but the loss of a pilot whom you have trained to perfection is a great blow to the Pakistan Air Force...may he rest in peace...
This is just one crash. Fighter aircrafts involve complex technologies. Here we are yet to find out whether it was a human error or a technical one. Lets wait for the investigation report. Somehow everything here is made into a India vs Pakistan thing. This is very counter-productive. This should immediately stop.
Why does every event become an India-versus-Pakistan shouting match?
And a not very intelligent one at that.
This is hardly a big deal -- the loss of life is. The old USSR Supersonic passenger plane crashed during an air-show in Paris in front of hundreds of spectators and that killed the program. So did a Soviet MIG when an engine flamed out at low altitude but the pilot managed to eject and just barely touch down almost as his parachute opened. The incident is still available on the net. The Airbus A330 crashed on a TEST flight with test pilots on board. It is now one of the most popular airliners flying the skies.
I don't know who the person above is who says China does not have the JF-17 in their fleet. They have just agreed to give us 50 fully-built and slightly advanced versions.
Pakistan should ground her entire JF 17 fleet and analyze the problem which caused the crash and lost of one of the best PAF pilot Sql Leader Hussien. They are only in operation now so I guess it will take 1 more year for their perfection and the more you gonna fly the more you gonna evaluate their performance. Right now US F 22s are also grounded because of some technical issues so lets not make JF17s like of MiGs (Indian flying coffins). Get them fix asap.
Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji’un May Allah rest his soul in peace
@Malatesh: Very intelligent guess. I hope our High Command will definitely rule out this possibility of sabotage by any competing source.
maybe the reason is it was 70% lower in price one F16, catching the eyes of buyers. US has enough people to destroy things like that in Mehran base or Camra.
Firstly May Allah give the Pilot Highest place in Jannat and give the family the strength to surpass this time. Sad news indeed for loosing a precious life in the incident.
Secondly as for the Crash it can happen to any Aircraft in the world its not that this plane can not Crash. To the point made by many people above that no one will buy JF-17 now and buy one get one free... With due respect to everyone's comments i must say The countries who are going to buy this plane would definitely look into the avionics, weapons capability, stealth ability and cost factor and then make any decision to spend the money... Its not jus few friends deciding to buy a motorbike or a scrap car that they wont look into it in detail....
So the ppl who will buy it are professionals and will certainly buy it cuz of its worth and compatible price.... :)
Best of Luck Pakistan for the purchase deals n MAy Allah Bless the Pilot ... AMEEN... :)
PEACE TO ALL... :)
@Mahmood: Nice answer.
any body can tell me that how many crashes been take place in history of F-16? So don't be sad.And please don't pass negative comments. We hope it will never again happen, as we have trust in our Army and Airforce.(Although we don't have it in our govt.) "Man learn and get experience from his mistakes" Good luck Pak Airforce.
The entire F-15 fleet was grounded a few months back by the U.S. because the aricraft's body disintegrated while in flight and crashed. I don't see people bashing the F-15's? Perhaps look at India's LCA fighter jet. Now that is something pathetic--even the Indian Airforce isn't inducting them as avidly as they are for foreign machines. Be considerate.
its not a loss of plane.......but a loss of pilot which sadesme.......Squadron Leader Mohammad Hussain(may his soul rest in peace)....thx mother who gve us 1 more shaheed who sacrifice their today for our tomorrow..thanks mother...
one goes no matter they have already deal of 50 jf 17 thunders
@Baber: Yeah a Pakistani can always feel the way you do! Because Pakistan has achieved a hell a lot in technology and science..;-)
Its true not a plane loss...It is the loss of the pilot which saddens me.....Squadron Leader Mohammad Hussain(may Allah bless his soul).......thx mother who gve us one bro to sacrifice his ife for our tomorrow.thx
@raju sharma:
our economy "is down folded"?
@fahad masood: When did the witness tell you
Pilot killed' may god bless his soul.. pakistan must understand that 'New' chinese product are showing their true nature,,, the nature of failing.. poin to be noted 'failing'. Firt it was j-10 then jh-7 now jf-17... think twice before taking some action on the matter.. your economy is down folded, so before signing any agreement check it with your eye's open......GOOD LUCK.....
@Indian:
Mr Indian,
This is little more than that as you said little to blame. This is about pakistans ability to step into a very lucrative industry, this is not about destroying a piece of equipment, aircraft go down all the time. Pakistan is set to fly today in Dubai Air show. Timing that makes wonder !!!!!!!
Jawanon Ka Ye Jazba Un Ki Imaan Ki Nishani Hai, Watan Baqi Rahe Zindagi Tu Ani Jani Hai!!!
A witness of the occurrence said that the jet was on fire for sometime but was heading for the Mansar Camp (Army Installation). The pilot stayed with it till very late veering the JF-17 away from population, which forced a no-chute ejection at a very low altitude. May Allah grant the family the patience and courage to pass through the ordeal!
Sqn Ldr Hussain Lives On!!!
Flying combat aircraft is dangerous -- even when not in combat -- may God have mercy on this pilots soul. All aircraft are capable of crashing -- the only issue in my book is whether Pakistan has the will/wherewithal to investigate the crash to determine the cause of the crash - it's apparent that when civilian aircraft go down Pakistan doesn't investigate properly.
@sabir:
Love your conspiracy theories. Keep it up.
@sabir: Yes!!!!!!!!!! Its a CIA, RAW and Mossad conspiracy to sabotage Pakistan and Chinese engineering is little to blame!!;-)
I feel sorry for all those giving negative remarks. A loss of life on either side of the border is a loss of life and brings misery to the family and nation. We should behave like humans and not animals and should always be sorry for the family losing its member. These accidents happen and will keep on happening. So just pray for the departed soul.
This is not an accident, this is sabotage, first time there was real possibility to sell this aircraft, something really bad happened here.
We lost a special thing today.. the pilot. Along with the aircraft, but that comes after. May God bless his and his family's souls.
The timing of the accident clearly shows that something is fishy. We were selling JF-17 thunder at Dubai air show, but the aircraft crashed at our home. It will give a bad name to the country. So the hand of CIA or RAW could not be overlooked. These aircrafts are flying in our airspace for several months, but no such incident occurred earlier.
To all my fellow Indians who are making cheap comments plz have some sensitivity.Jinke ghar sheeshe ke bane hote hain unhe doosron par pathar nahi fekne chahiye.Our IAF has worst flight safety record.We should feel sorry for the pilots whose lives are put to risk by the corrupt politicians who recieve kickbacks and purchase substandard chinese/russian equipment.It's mind boggling that IAF lost over 100 pilots in 283 accidents and still they are operating those mig-21 junks.May Squadron Leader Mohammad Hussain RIP.
First of all its a great loss for PAF and secondly the planes are not expensive than the pilots. The pilot did eject but its the malfunction in the ejection mechanism, the parachute didn't open. What circumstances was the pilot in that ultimately led him to eject, investigation has to come up with a technical response so that in future these planes should be made as safe as possible to fly. PAKISTAN ZINDABAD
Inna Lillahi Wa Inna Lillahi Rajioon... btw people, this does not mean that JF-17 is a bad aircraft...the best jets out there crash once in a while..it happens...
Maybe Ferrari should halt production because the first few 458's kept blowing up. Right?
Wrong.
@Sao Lao: Do you know what they call MIGs in India? 'Flying coffins'... Guess Pakistan has also got its own version of the same!! You guys are serious competitors to us man!!
RIP to the pilot. may he be granted the status of a shaheed. the aircraft is replaceable. the pilot is not.
How is it possible that it crashes the next day after Dubai show?????
May Allah bless Sqn Ldr Hussain's soul a best place in Jannah, and give his family much strength to bear this loss, aameen.
I have closely observed the operational capabilities of Pakistan Air Force pilots, engineers and technicians, and I would say with a great faith that in terms of professionalism they are the best in world, and their operational readiness and preparedness is second to none. PAF and Pakistan Zinda Baad.
@StudyValue: Are you kidding?? Nothing is more precious than human life and you seems to equate that with a silly machine as "Precious"...Something wrong with your mindset..
Pilot of jf17 thunder was a really great pilot, who put his family behind for his country and nation's safety. He did not lose heart and martyred. I appreciater him for his work.
We lost yet an other loyal son of the land. Deeply sad :((
@Chand: In bad taste my friend there has been a loss of life not the time for jokes
What a beautiful name. RIP
Although its tragic but will not have major impact on JF-17 program. Jest crashes even the most sophisticated F 22 have crashed many times since the programme launched. Similarly F-16, F-18, F-15s have crashed and likewise MIGS and Sukhois, soo no major concern
Great loss. Pakistani pilots are best in the world.
Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un May Allah rest his soul in peace
@Amin: I thought that it was a joint effort by Pakistan and China.Well ,we know the quality of chinese product.Are you saying that Pakistani products are comparableto Chinese
Well the greatest fighter jet ever developed ........ F16...... had too a lots of crashes in its early period and a lot of good pilots lost their lives (WATCH MOVIE--- "AFTERBURN") the movie is based on F-16' earlier troubles........ and yes........ONLY ALLAH IS PERFECT -- NOTHING ELSE.!
Very Sad :(.. should be reviewed it, not a good sign ... RIP Sqn Ldr M.Hussain
the griphens of sweded suffered a crash in an airshow. these things do happen, but we mush have pride that we have been able to design an aircraft and now manufacture it. The shaheed pilot my be blessed and the accident may give us an opportunity to rectify mistakes.
I recall when Eurofighter Typhoon prototype crashed...guess what..they're still being operated and doing well in foreign markets.
@ Tony Singh
"Its not the first fighter jet that has crashed and it won’t be the last. These things happen"
So true!!!
@ Malatesh
Unlike India, we will wait for investigation report before blaming RAW!!! Timing does suggest something suspicious!
I remember the name tag 'HUSSAIN' stuck to one of the gallant pilots that stood proudly before two fantastic looking JF-17's when I last visited farnborough air festival. What are the chances but still, all my prayers are with the pilot. Tragic loss.
R.I.P to Squadron Leader Mohammad Hussain
I m sad to hear it...
I deeply sadden with the said demise of a brilliant pilot and JF-17 Thunder. May Allah grant him jannat ul firdous. While it is regrettable, serious thought must be put in place on the efficiency of this much publicized thunder air craft. First Pakistan is exhibiting in Dubai to market the jet under very tougher competition, its efficiency and sad story that the parachute did not open. People shall take it as a typical Pakistani efficiency.
Yesterday when i compared this to a latrine soap i was given lectures. Thats why i said we have to make our own planes along with our muslim brothers. Please understand this while IAF is getting planes according to their needs we are getting cheap planes which are for poorer countries. No compromise with our defences. We Pakistanis will pay every dime so that our brave men has the best machine up there.
P.S- Also , my brothers our religion told us not to make fun of others. The 30 year old failed aircraft Teja has not crashed. My Indian brothers sorry for the fun i have made.Please forgive us Pakistanis. Dont make fun of us .Plzzzzzzzz
This is a sad incident. May the pilot rest in peace. I'm really not impressed how these planes are being marketed. 3 JF-17 for the price of 1 F-16, i mean come on, its just like those telemarketing commercials on TV. Seems like a joke this whole campaign. JF-17 have been fairly reliable, even the prototypes had very few accidents, don't really know what might have been the problem here, will have to wait for the crash report. Also the crash could not have happened on a worst time.
Gauging performance of JF 17 solely on single incident is not a sensible approach.
@Nine-Zero Karachi: We sure know which Anti-Pakistan political party you belong to my friend!
Nine zero is pathetic and obviously has a callous disregard for human life and tragedy. Yes, Chinese fighter aircraft have had a long history of problems with the PAF and elsewhere, but sadly, the US and France aren't waiting to sell their aircraft the moment we ask. The JF-17 crash will just have to be carefully analysed and if the aircraft was faulty, both Pakistan and China will have to work zealously to assure improved, if not fool-proof reliability. More shocking than the aircraft loss is the fact that the parachute did not open and that is extremely rare these days.
The comments from Indians and some other lunatics here are in very bad taste. I hope you have the spin to take the comments when there is a plane down on your side of the border! I couldn't care less if the PAF sold even a single JF-17 but I feel sad for Squadron Leader Mohammad Hussain and his family. May Allah bless his soul and give his family alot of courage.
The aircraft stalled due to bird strike, but more importantly what failed was the Martin Baker ejection seat that killed the pilot. It has nothing to do with made in China, or its price!
@Meekal Ahmed: +1 , how inhumane have we become
Its not the first fighter jet that has crashed and it won't be the last. These things happen
A very precious asset of Pakistan is destroyed along with pilot, big loss to Pakistan.
A wrong time for crash when this aircraft has been put on sale, which might affect its prospects.
@Nine-Zero Karachi: how cheap!
The person has embraced shahdat and look at all these people - no wonder, we live in a world where we deserve to be punished for being so insensitive. Don't worry, what goes around comes around.
RIP.
A truly sad day indeed, both for the country and the family as well. May the Almighty grant the family of the shaheed, the patience and fortitude to bear this loss. Ameen.
@Nine-Zero Karachi. Thats why we know your party is anti-Pakistan
Should INDIA buy Couple of JF-17 @right price ????
Yes it is complicated... but lets check pros-cons....
NOTE : I am Indian.....
It's just a machine & accidents happen with all aircrafts F 16s were crashing in Thailand too didn't see any comments on those..... Kindly show some respect for the martyred pilot at least Unfortunately as a nation we have become negative minded about everything
new discount at- You can buy four of our aircraft for one F-16
Incident must be investigated and reports be brought before the nations to face the realities so that they might evaluate and assess, where nation's position stand.
No one's gonna buy JF17 now
I wonder why no Pakistani is saying RAW, CIA conspiracy.. :-)
May Allah bless his soul and grant this shaheed a place in jannah.
machines come and go, but loss of such brave individual is cannot be compensated
@Nine-Zero Karachi:
I think your comment is in very bad taste since there has been loss of life and I am amazed that the moderator did not choose to refuse to publish it.
Now we know why it is being sold at 1/3rd the price of F-16.
Now the deal is four jf-17 for the price of one f-16
R I P Squadron Leader-
Sad incident.
On the upside if it would have happened earlier Ahmed Mukhtar would have had to change his sales pitch at the Dubai Air Show.
Hopefully, this will have an affect Pakistan's hopes to sell this to other unwary nations.
Well, what do you expect from a made in China aircraft?
Now the will have to sell the JF-17 as Buy 1 and Get 1 Free !
It seems the pilot did not reach ground safely after a concious ejection. May Allah bless his soul and may he rest in peace.
Another Pakistani news agency has posted photos of the crash site and it certainly looks like a JF-17 and this just increases my sadness. This would be the first JF-17 that has crashed during service, not to mention the bad timing. We are trying to sell a few of these at Dubai airshow.