Pakistan offers cut-price JF17 fighter jet at Dubai Air Show
"You can buy three of our aircraft for one F-16," Chaudhry Ahmed Mukhtar told Reuters at the Dubai Air Show, where the aircraft is being displayed.
He said that the producer, Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, was not able to keep pace with the requirements of the air force.
"Three squadrons are already flying the aircraft in Pakistan and one squadron in China," he added.
Analysts expect the aircraft, which Mukhtar said was priced at $25-30 million, to be focused on emerging markets in Asia and Africa.
"Going to the (European) market is not very easy because you are cutting the profits of some other people," Mukhtar said.
He said the development of the aircraft was not targeted at archrival India.
"India need not worry -- it's not India-specific. We are building very close relations with India."
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For everyone mocking the ability of the JF-17 compared to the F-16 I would like your remind you that Pakistan does operate a number of F-16s. It's highly unlikely they have not already compared the two themselves. If the JF-17 was not at least a near match for the F-16 they wouldn't operate it. keep in mind India operate MIG-29s, SU-30s, HAL tejas and soon the Typhoon and Rafale, pakistan won't want to try and match that group with anything less than F-16s or something capable of similar performance.
I know that how Pakistan is closely following to develop the core technologies. I think they will start producing their own jets very soon, Insha Allah.
Long live Pakistan!
Hello,
For all those saying India is "re-inventing the wheel with LCA", here is something to think about: When China started copy+pasting Russian technology to come up with JF-17, J-10/20 or the WS engines 20 odd yrs ago, they had to invest huge (un-discolsed....since nothing is in China) amounts too. Although Indian can never dream of competing with China....it will learn in due course of time. But what about Pakistan? will it be able to learn the core technologies??
@Indian actually believes the world is actually recycling and running on "Discarded" Indian Technology India threw away long time ago that Indians are the most smart people time has ever seen. Indian tops in N.Y. Stock exchange frauds and scams. Indians tops internet use (new study), we see more than half of the comments & votes for Pakistan provinces & Political system are given by Indians. Comments on Youtube, Facebook & other Countries' internal matters is only past-time left in India. After adult sites Pakistani papers are their favorite sites. They want to get involve in most of the Pakistan's Internal maters from commenting on Health issues to Provincial politics. Many of them were hidden until Pakistan JF-17 Fighter Plane in Dubai Arms Expo came & which really shook their tower of ego to the foundation. Hopefully the Indian Gvernment don't use these haters for commenting on Future Indian Trade Relation to Pakistan.
Apart from degrading efforts by Indians due to their superiority complex every time, Pakistan is e,emerging now as a regional power and economic hub. Pakistan Army is now among Top-10 armies of the world and Pakistan Air Force is far beyond Indian Air Force. Pakistanis do not need any Certificate from India or America for this status. World have already seen the guts of Pakistanis when they developed and blasted Atomic Bombs and have established the most sophisticated Missile Technology of the world.
Time will tell the true capabality of aircraft.
Meanwhile, at least its looks are great and menacing !!
@Hafeez Pasha:
Well you seem to have forgotten that it is India's LCA unlike Chinese JF-17which has been sold to the Pakistanis when the Chinese air force is itself reluctant to buy them!! Who should be jealous of whom? You tell me...
Full of comments from jealous Indians. India's LCA has been in development since 1983 and has not even been inducted into the IAF and nor has it appeared in a single air show. JF-17, whose development begain in 2011, has already been inducted into the PAF (2 squadrons in operation) and appeared in four international air shows already: Zhuhai, Farnborough, Izmir and Dubai.
@Sao Lao: They are trying to fit Brahmos missile on it and hover over Pakistan. By the way do Pakistanis know what a jet is??
@Ali Tanoli: That would be a great strategy if the modern countries of the world were in the market for buying camel buggies. But as you may or may not know, the world has moved on
@Bangladeshi: I see the lovefest between you and Pakistanis. Perhaps India should have let the Pakistani inflict all the atrocities they did to your country in 1971
Typical pakistani mentality, trying to let down your own country in any way possible..
Try to do a bit of research on JF-17, and you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Regards,
@Rehmat Khan: Out of curiosity, where did you see that ranking?
why dont we all buy a steath plane :D
Some of the readers who did not like my earlier post on JF-17 are today gone in hiding. The plane has crashed on its first few flights. After this, no country would get intrested in it.
I told you so; Chinese when they copy, use less of their brains but more of their manufacturing prowess. Hence the product looks like the original but inside is a disaster. In this case they tried to copy F-16 with Pakistani help and got a lemon. They sold that lemon to Pakistan, who out of being nice to the Chinese bought it. Now Chinese are kind of expecting Pakistanis to push it in the international market at cut rate price. The forgoing is common in any Chinese products, take for example - TVs, DVDs, Cell phone and many other high tech items. Out of the box these look fabulous. Only after a year or two you are forced to get it repaired or dumped in a junk yard because it does not work. This is everyday life in North America. The only reason North American buy Chinese products is that these are so cheap. That is Chinese product story and JF-17 is no exception.
I kind of wish that Pakistanis buy lots of these planes and learn the hard way.
how about we keep the three j17 and tackle the f16 from all 3 corners i know for sure no other single plane can do that
Amazing that the next story about the JF 17 is about one of these planes crashing, the crew dead. Do you think somebody sabotaged this exquisite piece of machinery to bring a bad name to Pakistan? RAW? CIA? Mossad?
This is our dilemma. We don't do anything other than living room talking, oh sorry, its laptop in bedroom now. We not only do nothing ourselves, wo don't open-heartedly appreciate others efforts. For all those who like to criticize this aircraft, please dont let me remind you the first aircrafts ever built by USA or Europeans. There is always a learning curve. Thats how you learn. Thats how you take the first steps. There are people who do nothing knowing that we are already so far behind so anything we ll ever do isnt gonna make a difference. And then there are those who do something believing that we ll get there someday! Its a shame that most of us are the former ones! Atleast apprecite the efforts!
Pak sells jf-17 to get the capital to build the 'even-better' next generation jets .. could be coming soon
Instead of spending public funds on weapons, maybe they should be fixing the civilian infrastructure, like schools, clean water and health care. A single plane costs more than what a whole village needs to fix all its problems
@Bangladeshi: Oh sorry!! You can buy these coffins for you soldiers if you want. But not India, we kicked out even F-16s, 17s whatever they are!! despite Obama lobbying behind the american companies! Instead the Indian army is after procuring the better Dassualts, Rafaels which serve us better.. You are always free to do the chamchagiri of Chinese. But INDIA is not interested in any body's chamchagiri..
I agree with Sun-Sent, India is desperately working for the revival of the nationalism after a millennia of foreign rule. They just can't undo all the history so now relying on lies. Indian radio & school books are working for national morale booster. They tell their people_ all things in the world are created, invented and stolen from India while they themseff have been using & working in the shadow of China. They think they are the smartest people in the world & then pay heavily to promote that idea around the world through govt agencies & papers. Except media non-Indian in Europe & America are getting tired of this. But just go to India & go to China you will see from fabric dying to steel industry all look like as shadow of China. Step outside the city & you will cry from the miserable life farmers & homeless are living. With suicide rate in only farmers is tens of thousands every month. The papers there never show Real India for fear of viewed by foreigners. Such is their State. Actually there are many Muslims now who are working hard to boost India's Image politically in the world just because they stayed from migrating at partition_ From the father of Indian Atom bomb( an old Neighbor of Dr. A.Q. Khan) to the guy( one relative of Sir Syed) who is busy bringing foreign technology to deprived areas & to the paralyzed & under funded educational institutions there.
@Adil: How can you cancel the project after all the hype.It will need a brave Pakistani to point out the truth and cancel the project.See any one on the horizon
I read so many non sense comments...some are based on jealousy.. and some of the comments based on lack of knowledge... Pakistan has a stong and Powerful army and we are the first nation in muslim world that gained Nuclear capability.. when we make a nuclear and thermo nuclear bomb so what is a small aircraft... every country need technological help and joint venture like american and euroupean are doing to improve their capability... same is done by china and Pakistan... Very soon we will be able to produce Tank like al Khalid and so many other warfare weapon... nothing is impossible..we know how to make and divert impossible in possible....
Many of the guys in commenst list are changing thier identity and passing wrong comments. Its only time will prove the what will right or wrong.
@Sun-Set: what are you talking about??
do you believe in god?? refresh your browser
Just after one day after the Dubai Air Show.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/291604/paf-aircraft-crashes-in-attock/
no doubt jf 17 is one of the advanced 4th generation aircraft ..
Winter discount on JF-17.
JF-17 is powered by a single Russian RD-93 turbofan engine which is a variant of engine used in Mig-29. India inducted these crafts way back in 1985. so nothing to boast off..Just like i boast off with my antique Standard Gazel Car..Lolz
@Sun-Set: Not just your name, your knowledge also seems to be Sun-Set
@Meekal Ahmed: As usual, comments from you prove that "Empty vessels make more noice"..
can we guarantee the supply to the export markets as the engine is Russian and the avionics in French.
Who said India make anything on their own? From Indian silk to autos all are produced from imported stuff or technology. If your information comes from Indian Radio you just have not seen the coffee, why talk about if you have "smell the coffee"? Only difference is we buy partial products and they buy the technology now our plane flies theirs crashes. From U.S. nuclear technology to Chinese Silk everything is promoted their as indigenous. So much is their ego that no one can say there that Indian Ocean is international waters and not Indian territory. That "Hindi" is not as real language it was only created for nationalism after partition(1947) to counter "Urdu" speaking Muslim influence. All books and radios have to follow new guidelines for "national honour". Just like Spanish population has no clue that Muslims ever ruled Spain or were the real reason of the end of European Dark Ages, really.
its like nano vs bmw, and for who want some flying object for show up. but yaaa, it can fly,fight and can increase inventory, but there is a maximum capability that a 20m $ plane can do
@Bangash:
haha, US have nuclear weapons and they could have use it, but didn't, why ?? use F16 or fighter planes to hunt taliban, lol, do taliban have FAs?? will you use guns to kill mosquitoes? loll, use commonsense.
@rehmat:
"On one hand Pakistan says it does not have the capacity build enough even for Pak airforce’s needs. On the other hand they are willing to sell at cut rate price. Doesn’t that raise any red flags?"
Valid point. That can only mean that this J-17 project is a white elephant on which Pakistan has wasted over hundreds of millions of dollars. It looks like neither China or Pakistan are going to induct this junk in large quantities. Thus the spin on selling to other countries.
@Bangash: It's technology these days! You're not talking about WW II era aircrafts. Nowadays, you don't have to see an aircraft to shoot it down like miles n miles away. It doesn't need courage to press a few buttons.
@JF-17:
Totally agree with you on most points on Indian products. However, I disagree with your positive spin on Pak products. They are cheap Chinese junks assembled in Pakistan that even the Chinese don't want.
To all the apponents: JF-17 is not made to be an alternative to an F16. It's manufactured for a different market. However, Pakistan has a confirmed order of 150 planes which may increase to 250. Countries as algeria, egypt, lebanon, sri lanka and a handful more have also shown interest. Definitely, a great achievement! Not to forget, this is just a beginning. Go PAF!!!
You'd think it would be more productive to encourage purchases of those jets if they are inferior as people say. A country's military's sole purpose is to come out on top of a conflict. Another country using inferior products is a positive thing in that regard.
I hope they all sell and the sales pitch is irresistible.
@Meekal Ahmed: Meekal saab, HEre is what is unclear. On one hand Pakistan says it does not have the capacity build enough even for Pak airforce's needs. On the other hand they are willing to sell at cut rate price. Doesn't that raise any red flags?
Chaudhary Ahmed Mukhtar needs to explain the point raised elsewhere: how can you offer something for sale when you admit you cannot meet your own requirements? To be kind, we must dismiss his ill thought attempt to burnish Pakistan's image as an obsequeous act to please his masters.
What if the customer asks: " why then did you buy the F16?"
@Meekal Ahmed: Dog fights! Are you serious? This is not WW-II. JF-17 will be as good for PAF as were the chinese locomotives (bought by mush) for Pakistan Railways. i think North Korea is the only potential buyer!
Way to go Pakistan! JALNAY WAALAY KA MOO KALA!
100% Chinese made and painted green, fortunately this not given an Afghan name like Ghauri, Ghaznavi etc. Too much copying and pasting going on.
To all readers, Here is what is a realistic analysis of JF17, compared to F16, JF17 is not at par but slightly less. If you calculate full loop manuveur of JF17 and F16 Block D, there is only 1 sec difference, which in air at altitude of 30,000 ft is a big advantage or disadvantage. For the given terrain of Africa, Middle East and South Asia, JF17 is the best option and may be the lethal fighter. I must remind you that Lockheed not only produced F16 but went on to make similar copies of F16 with Japan (Mitsubhishi F2), and South Korea, but in those production the emphasis was on terrain adabtibility. F16 is not a universal flying soldier which can be affective in every given terrain. Cockpit and on board system's software has many errors, mainly software hang up, or rebooting in midair to name few. As for the frame is concern then it is the same pattern which Skhoi, F2, F16 and JF17 are made, which is irregular, un stable shape which can be stablize by on board computer systems. Big advantage in war time for JF17 is the cheap alternative of all techno stuff, the RD turbo Fin Jet is the same of Royal Royce but a stolen copy. I would love to fly JF17. I hope this will help every body to understand and will be able to evaluate more realistically. As for Dubai show is concern, it is just an attempt by Dubai government to push itself on world stage, while Abu DHabi setting up Parts plant. However the tank production of Pakistan is of serious concern as the Tanks are follow up of medium Tier tanks and does not carry plenty hit points. Thx
JF17 is much better than F16, we should not sell it at that much low price rather we have to tell the world the capabilties of this aircraft so that we can sell it at higher value.
In my opinion the current Pakistani government is unable to take correct decisions. It is also very unpopular among people of Pakistan.
@Khurram Dastageer: You fly one and use the other two as spare parts for the one that flies
All this talk about modern aircraft capabilities and which one can shoot down another, but the bottom line, as far as I can see, is that all governments over the last twenty years or so have used their fighter/bomber aircraft for display at airshows or to bomb a few incalcitrant tribesmen and/or third world countries. A world war one aircraft could be used to strafe a few men on horseback or motor bikes. However, the JF17 Thunder Jet is a very capable plane and will give many years of reliable service for the PAF. Further, it is my understanding that the F16, although capable, does not compare well with Russian aircraft, but does it really matter? At the end of the day, the pilots of these aircraft will be firing missiles at each other, and the plane with the best missile attack system will win. Now that the PAF have the JF17 they can develop their missile attack systems to compete with any other system. It would seem to a casual observation that Pakistan has made a sound investment in acquiring the JF17. Another point to consider is that U.S./ Pakistan relations are not good, and America has a habit of slapping sanctions on countries they take a dislike to. The last thing Pakistan wants is America's failure to supply spare aircraft parts.
@Shamshad Pervez: I think you are underlooking the facts. There is always an unseen force who helped Pakistan despite its week infrastructure and currupt leadership. Its not China or US from where we get our raw resources or help to build our advanced defence line. This is infact that Holly power who bring us the power from our enemies' lands. There are so many other rich nations who have not been able to developed their indigenious pistol yet. Even we were not but Allah helped this nation at every point. So we should rather be proud and thankful to Allah
Question:
Why is Pakistan buying F-16 when it claims their planes is suprior and cheaper
JF 17s are best choice for the third world countries airforce. It has outmaneuvered F16s on many occasions especially if they are equipped with BVRs. F16's block 52 are much advanced version but jf17s are almost equivalent to f16s of C and D categories. We have many outdated F7s and Mirage 2000, time for them to get grounded for good.
P.S we dont need any 5th generation plane yet....JF 17s are more than enough for Indians
Do someone know ,who is making LOCOMOTIVE for Pakistan Railways? may sound like locomotive are more technologically challanging for country which mfg fighter jets?
The news headline is a bit misleading but I think what the minister is saying (and was picked by only one in 93 comments) is that we are making a decent - not best - plane at a discount compared to F-16s, if we can sell it, it earns much needed funds for the country.
What is truly amazing is the level of passion that is wasted in the comments. In a country where poverty is rising faster than most other countries, men, women and children die at unprecedented rates from both avoidable and man induced causes, so many people blowing steam on an air plane is simply amazing.
I think WallMart will be glad to buy at more cheaper price because in whloe sale they can buy at much cheaper price. Beside lot more people will be able to buy. Pakistan economy will improve too.
@Shamshad Pervez:
What massive local production? LCA? Engine is American, Avionics are outsourced to Israel. Need consulting from Italy on composite material. Supposed local engine Kaveri needs Russian testing and input. If there local industry was so tip top, India would not be willing to spend 10 BN dollars trying to buy Eurofighter or Rafale.
What else..Arjun? or shall we say Arjunk, rejected by Indian Army, spend thousands of crore rupees and 2 decades and in the end they only order 120 or so units. Lol.
Egyptian Airforce chief has already stated they are 'VERY INTERESTED' in JF-17. Egypt has also bought K-8s. Another joint Pak-China product.
Please check your facts. Google is your best friend.
@hedgefunder: There's always a consideration of it. Egyptian airforce is very interested, its in the news, take it or leave it bro.
To all these indians here, where is your LCA?. LOL!
I don't know anything about JF-17. But I know some basic economics, and have some commonsense.
Econ 101:If a product is good, there will be demand for it. If a product is not good, there will not be demand for it.
If there is demand for a product, its price will go up. If there is no demand for a product, its price will go down.
Logic 101:JF-17 price has gone down. Implies, there is no demand for it. Implies, the product is inferior.
@sid: remember these same top ace PAF pilots would have had to say good-bye to promotions if they didnot give a thumbs up!!
@Plato:
That is why the J-17 was shown at Farnborough (sp?) and now in the Gulf. Unfortunately in both cases they were static displays which means the aircraft did not show their worth in the air. I don't know the reason for that. They flew two aircraft in and put them on static display.
Even if there are orders, I don't think we can spare aircraft for export at this time given the slow rate of production in the Karma Complex. The last time the PM was in China, they promised 50 fully built-up and ready-to-fly aircraft. Also more advanced. That helps. But I would imagine the priority is to fulfill the requirements of PAF squadrons and replace the ageing F-6.
should also throw in 7-days free stay in Dubai along with it! I think China has converted Pakistan into a really lucrative dumping ground!! First -ceiling fans and radios, then TVs and cameras, now aircraft - which it's own airforce under tremendous political pressure is reluctant to buy!!!
@Amir: India is growing at an average of 8% and will break 2 trillion $ economy this year. Your statement should be India and world is leaving Pakistan behind.
@Meekal Ahmed:
This is like saying 'I drive a car therefore I am an expert on military tanks'.
@Sam: you said ,"JF-17 is one of the best 4th Generation aircraft available with such a low price.In some areas its compareable to F16." Then why Pakistan offering three JF-17 in the price of one F-16?
@Meekal Ahmed, Sir, I always read your enlightened comments on this forum with great interest, particularly, on the issues related to the economy, but, it is difficult to accept your views on this particular news report, though, your second comment do suggest that you are an aviation expert as well. As far as I know, the JF-17, at best, can be described as a 3rd+ generation fighter plane. Its basic design is similar to the other 3rd generation fighter planes, however, it is equipped with some of the latest force multiplying electronic warfare systems which separate it from the third generation fighters and thus making it 3rd+ generation fighter. You appears to be an economist, therefore, I need not have to tell you to look at the price difference between JF-17 and the western fighters of 4th or 5th generation, which itself is an indicator of the quality. The second point that I want to make is, China is yet to catch up with the west in military technology, although, both India and China, almost match the west in space technology. As I said in my second comment, China herself, is dependent on Russia for modern fighter aircraft, therefore, I think, we shouldn't give undue credit to the JF-17. I hope you will not take it as a jingoistic comment of an Indian. Thanks, regards.
Nice to see Pakistan-phobes come out in open and open eyes for some !
Surprised at the number of haters who have come out to comment pretending to be aero-defense experts. If you all are that good why are you not working for some secret military development facility. And to my Indian brothers, seriously, why make such an effort to come and hate here? Have we pointed out that you still fly MIG aircraft. A discounted aircraft is an amazing thing, you can buy the same jet for less money. If your logic stood, Airbus and Embraer would never stand a chance against Boeing. Oh, you dont know who or what Embraer are? I thought you all were aeronautics experts....
You have to give full marks to the nation for standing up against all odds, worst rulers, surrounded by neighbors who would stab in the back at the first instance and YET they survive and forge ahead. From what I know of Pakistanis they are talented, hard working and have pride unlike many other Asian nations who start to lick boots at the drop of a hat. Good for you boys, sell planes, sells subs, sell bombs after all that is exactly what west lives on. Cheers
Buy one get two free i think this is the best way to break the westren monopoly.
@Adil: I smell an Indian not a Pakistani hahaha.
@john, well it is not indian made so pretty sure everything works fine.
@MD, "one F-16 is enough for shooting down half a dozen JF17s!" yes but only if JF-17 pilots are indian.
Well its the age of UAVs and UGVs. We should invest there.
@Meekal Ahmed: Pakistan is offering 3 JF-17s for the price of a F16. If your views are of JF-17 being at least as good as F16 are correct, we should see a strong international demand for JF-17 as against the F16.
Let us wait and see.
Hilarious to see the Indians open up their mouths when their country is the WORLD'S LARGEST IMPORTER OF ARMS!
In the age of nukes and suicide bombing who needs this crap. These are for job security for the elites.
@Ali:
Obviously you are not an economist. US labor costs may be higher but so is US labor productivity. Thus UNIT LABOR COST is lower.
Why not Pakistan and India jointly develop a fighter aircraft which may sell at a price higher than F-16 ...??? :-))
20% discount isn't enough until it comes down to buy two and get one free.
Indians are certainly not happy for obvious reasons :) one can realize by reading their comments.
wow so many comments....................it like mini comments warzone.....lol
@john: Yes John it works the same way our nuclear bomb works. Just shows how ignorant you and the west is.
JF-17 should be offered to India too, as it's the perfect substitute for their failed LCA :-) Well, in several areas much superior too so it'll be quite a good deal for IAF ;-)
@Jameel:
Yes, I am very familiar with modern avionics -- but more so with commercial aviation avionics and "glass-cockpits". The principles and capabilities are the same.
There are not many clear pictures of the J-17 cockpit since most of what you see in them is classified.
And NO I have not read anything on Wikipedia but used that as a source of reference for others. I keep myself informed by magazines that I subscribe to, forums that I visit, and above all DVD's. They are expensive but very educational.
And yes I was a pilot in my youth and aviation (mostly commercial but also military) has been my life's passion.
For all Indian trotters and unpatriotic Pakistanis. This is the best aircraft in the market at the moment, all courier companies are lining up to buy this. For quick delivery of posts/items. Only thing is the market is bit reduced due to Internet(quick emails). In reality the project started long back when there was no Internet. The Project code name was, Speed Post with Nitro boosters.
I don't have F16 for swap but I need one to avoid ground ambush.
Well, may be they can make some spares for PIA planes too. Those planes have a tendency to stay on ground a lot more than in the air these days!
@Shehryar Khan:
Dubai is part of UAE, and it has some island that is claimed but UAE and IRAN. Just Google it to find out. Boader issue with Saudi Arabia. Dubai is hosting a Defence event and Pakistan has presence at the event to sell its defense products, like many advanced country try to sell their products. Why are you so upset if Pakistan is trying to sell its products there to global customers. By the way what kind of work you do there.....??
F16 is more expensive because American labour costs are higher
Is there a F/F CNG option for this jet? Potential USP besides the low price ;)
@ Khurram Dastageer
Are you sure you're Pakistani?
Yes, some countries have shown interest in buying it. The JF-17 (FC-1) is currently undergoing trials in China so the PLAAF can induct it.
@Arshad lone
It's a 4th gen aircraft, not 3.5 gen.
and LOL at the insecure Indians.
@Adil: You don't make Ferrari on your first experiment do you? Why would you even compare that with Su-30 or F16 ... Those are big boys and in the businesses from many decades ... You learn from every previous project and enhance that. While selling JF17 one has to keep in mind that there are many countries who won't have enough money to buy F16s ... Not every one buys Ferrari or Porche but many can only afford to buy Honda or Toyota. To my Indian friends what all this itching about, at least we have something to sell and if we work on improving it one day will be able to make advance equipment instead of buying it from others.
I think Taliban and Somalia would be interested in Jf 17
Pakistan will rule the world :-)
JF-17 is a perfect cost effective modern Aircraft for poorer nations. I heard BD has shown interest in it along with nations like Egypt & srilanka. But INDIAN hatred is apparent from the above comments and I see some PAKs also bashing any +ve news about their country which is very unfortunate. I am pretty sure that if it was a garbage like HAL Tejaj people would have been lecturing PAK with statements like " close the madrassas and make proper schools.....etc etc". These unrelenting hatred toward Pakistan thanks to Uncle Sam's propaganda is truly sickening.
@Adil: You are an ignorant person. Jf 17 is ranked No.3 in the world after F22 and F35.
Long Live Pakistan
I am shocked to see how depressed we Pakistanis have become. To be honest this goverment has ruined everything.
This same Chaudhary Ahmed Mukhtar said we cannot survive a war with India and now he is degrading Jf 17 by saying " buy three at the price of one". This govt is shameless. All will think this a failed plane by the tagline he is using.
Even having F-16s or what so ever why usa lost their war in Afgashistan because they need not only JF 17 but Pakistani Polits as well
@Cautious: F16's are the highest maintenance aircraft in existence, extremely expensive, notoriously unreliable, and require 18 hours maintenance for every hour in the air.
@Maulana Diesel: Is that the best you can come up with??? Well let me enlighten you as to few recent facts, that Indians are considering euro fighters rather than US F series, including F35, which India has declined !!! I don't recall Pakistan being offered F35 yet !! perhaps its due to lack of ability to pay for them or trust deficit !!!!
i will take it, if offered money....
JF17 i believe is not that bad as some comments here appear to conclude. It is surely not the best in class but not bad either. The minister is just trying to tell the prospects that this stuff is value for money. Pakistan needs money. And in high tech military hardware sell there is a lot of hot cash. That is why Pakistan has decided to sell these aircrafts. There must be some agreement signed with China on this already. In any case the JF17 does not give Pakistan any edge over IAF in the long run. JF17 is not the best and Indian shopping list of aircrafts is so big and high-tech that Pakistan will not be able to match in terms of air power. But then on the Indian front there is this new peace initiative that will avoid war in the first place. Afterall no body wants war if there can be peace. Atleast for India it is important not to get into a war with Pakistan for that will undermine its economic rush to catch up with China. China if far far ahead and so India needs to concentrate on its economy. Pakistan can also have its own peace if it so wishes and rebuild its economy.
adil, its not blind nationalism we know jf17 is a 3.5 generation aircraft, we know its capabilities, it is not designed to dogfight with sukhois and mmrca it is a point guard and a good export aircraft. to fight mmrca and sukhois we will have the j-10, f-16 and inshallah j-20's in the future.
the future varients of the jf-17 mark 2,3,4 will be even better.
you people need to stop being anti-pakistan, or i suspect your indians, nobody said this is the greatest aircraft ever, it is a good first plane, and yes we will be making it at pac kamra
@sheryar khan, its the dubai airshow which brings customers from all over the world, we're not pitching just to dubai, wake up and smell the coffee!
@shamshad pervez, pakistan has the right approach, pakistan does not have the knowledge or the resources do go alone on a project like this. Unlike India who through their arrogance are trying to 'reinvent the wheel' we do not need to reinvent the wheel, we are nout haughty and arrogant to think that sudddenly we will come with 5th generation technology which the west have barely managed to design. ask the indians what its like to just develop the kaveri engine, it is a nightmare even with the resources at their disposal. we need to wake up and smell the coffee. pakistan needed to be lauded for their achievements.
@Bangash: Use common sense. How many aircrafts does Taliban operate?. Think before U speak
@Meekal Ahmed:
Meekal I was wondering if you were an expert on avionics, until you mentioned Wikipedia. I hope competing fighters like F-16 etc have also read Wikipedia otherwise we are in big trouble.
@arshad lone: Dear brother in our blind nationalism we should not overlook facts. The fact is that we are dependent on China and West, whereas India is on a massive spree to indigenize its products. Their Arjun,LCA may be a failure but atleat its their own. We should look at ourselves, we have everything from Al khalid to Jf 17 from China, Babur missile from US.Our Suparco is a joke compared to ISRO,
We are steadily losing this battle and its high time we realize and do something on our very OWN
hahaha the above comments are hilarious to read. its like listening to a car mechanic explaining a CT scan or trying to diagnose cancer. you have no idea about the complexities of air combat and the indivisual requirements of each mission. top ace pilots of PAF have flown and approved these aircrafts. it meets are defence requirements saving us a lot of money at the same time allowing us to be independent
@Adil: No dear ...this project wa started during Musharraf era. PPP has nothing to do about this. Likewise you know nothing about the project and product. Go, search on google and enlighten yourself
Amazed to see the comments from Indian readers. Just google and you will find that Pakistan Arms Industry is very advance and hi-tech.it produces lots of hi-tech equipments which are being used by various countries including europe.Why we are so negative about about the abilities of Pakistanis?
@Jack: Who will be fooled by them, as they can't fool themselves by having more squadrens of these planes by shedding the F-16 and Mirage aircrafts.
@FactCheck: ITS same since production facility is based in Pakistan
@MD: @Hari Sud: Use common sense if you have,the person behind the gun is much more important than the gun itself. If F-16 was alone winner then why US is fail to defeat Taliban despite spending 10 years in Afghanistan. Think before U speak.
Lets not forget the strings that come attached with F-16s ;) like how F-16s of Arabs cant threaten Israeli planes etc.
@Adeel: Yes, Pakistan is authorised for sales pitch. Both countries are working together on it. At PAS, we saw Chinese presence. At DAS, its Pak. Chinese might be there too, not sure yet.
@John: Yes, radar works, dont worry, it'll detect everything you throw at us from the East. Also, with datalinks to the Chinese AWACS PAF recently got, JF-17s will be getting information on enemy aircrafts 100s of KMs out ahead. :)
Guys, it's a great product for the price.
As for some posters trying to degrade Chinese Aviation products, dont forget there are only three countries that right now have 5th generation airfighters flying..USA - F22, F35, Russia PAK-FA/T-50 AND China - J-20. Keep laughing while the Chinese race ahead ;).
Indians like Hari Sud, make me laugh. Blind in their ways.
I am happy to know that pak officials are bidding hard for their business . Pak businessmen now utter chinese word . Good ....keep it up . Think about business and about ur country .
@Hari Sud: you are ill informed, most likely blind in your hatred.
I think these people does not know much about Pakistan military Power... Good to see JF17 at Dubai Air Show.... sure it is a wonderfull fighter jet...
The minister sounds like selling shoes and not air-crafts.
JF-17 is one of the best 4th Generation aircraft available with such a low price.In some areas its compareable to F16. West only sell their names but product may not be as good as they claim. While our product is good but we dont have name.Pakistan just need to improve selling skills.
We have had enough of this. its high time we make our own 5th generation Aircraft. China J-20 will not be reliable. We i.e Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh should do the JV. We will be happy to share technology with our brothers. Its high time the Ummah makes something on its own. InshALLAH
Happy to see comments of indians. They are so jealous :)
He said that the producer, Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, was not able to keep pace with the requirements of the air force.
Strange - you are not able to meet your own air force requirements and yet you are trying to sell it on the market - at a discount! Who are these guys trying to fool?
Good start !!! welldone
I think ALL the comments above are mis-guided. Obviously these people know nothing about the J-17. It is a superb aircraft with modern avionics and armaments -- at par with or better than the higher priced western fighter aircraft.
Please Google it or look it up on Wikipedia. This is no slouch and I am sure the PAF has already simulated aerial dog-fights with it's F-16s. I don;t think the F-16s are knocking them out of the skies. Far from it.
@Khurram Dastageer: ha ha ha gud 1
Hmmm....
This is top of the line fourth generation aircraft.
Will Pakistan offer credit??
I have read that arms sales normally come wrapped with loan package.
“You can buy three of our aircraft for one F-16,”
Yes, but wait, one F-16 is enough for shooting down half a dozen JF17s!
thats hot
Sell the aircraft to India!!!
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One F-16, the current model can easily shoot down three of the JF-17. The much hyped Chinese aircraft hoopla is a psyco warfare. They yet have to graduate from cheap textiles and dollar store items. All this stolen technology from Russia & US can only produce a very expensive second best.
The Gulf states where this aircraft is being pitched have more money and enough sense not to buy the second best even if it is half price.
Since its a joint venture as told, is pakistan by itself authorized to make the sales pitches??????
does the radar work atleast in this aircraft??
But they can buy six from China for 20% discount!
“You can buy three of our aircraft for one F-16,” . Yep -- but who wants to buy a high maintenance sophisticated plane that is made in Pakistan? Most are going to buy the F-16a given the choice.