Let’s get one thing straight...I’m not

Published: October 30, 2011

At first glance, the PQM’s flag looks like that of any political party. It proudly displays the star and crescent against a rainbow-hued spectrum of reds, purples and blues, depicting a Pakistan that is not simply green and white, but capable of embracing all shades of being and behaviour. But this isn’t the flag of a political party and the acronym PQM stands for the Pakistan Queer Movement, not — as some may imagine — the Pakistan Qaumi Mahaz.

The brainchild of 18-year-old Nuwas Manto, the PQM, in its own words, seeks “respect, equality and freedoms for the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) community in Pakistan.”

“It depends on what you think a movement is,” says Manto, when asked to explain what the PQM aspires to achieve. “You won’t see us marching in pink underwear, for instance. What we are working towards is something like the Progressive Writers’ Movement who aspire to bring about a mental state of change through writing.”

Writing is something Nuwas Manto does a lot of, whether in publications like the Pink Pages or through Facebook on the PQM official page where free-spirited individuals, ‘queer’ or not, discuss the nuances of sexuality openly. Extremely well-read for his 18 years, he is fond of citing the poetry of Abu Nuwas, from whom the first part of his alias is derived. A controversial Arab poet, Abu Nuwas (750-810 AD) lived during the reign of Caliph Haroon al Rashid and caused no end of scandal due to his poems celebrating homosexuality. As a nod to his literary tastes, the second part of his alias is a tribute to Saadat Hassan Manto.

Unlike many who struggle when confronted with the possibility that they may be gay, Manto says he never had any doubts or illusions about his sexuality. “I always knew it,” he says. Also, unlike many who hide their tendencies from their family and friends, Manto wasn’t content to live his life in the proverbial closet, and came out to his family about his sexual preferences. While he was lucky enough not to be cast out of the family, the reaction was mixed. “My mother refused to believe me, even though I think she always suspected it. To this day she keeps trying to fix me up with girls in order to ‘cure’ me.”

His brother’s reaction was somewhat different, though he stopped short of actually beating him up. “All my brother said was that homosexuals are paedophiles and that he will never let his kids near me,” reveals Manto, saying that just because he’s gay doesn’t mean he is promiscuous…or a pervert.

These aren’t the only stereotypes that are perpetuated about the gay community, of course. The very word ‘gay’ is used as a derogatory term, liberally used to label men who display what is considered ‘effeminate’ behaviour. Whether or not these men are actually homosexual is irrelevant and, in some circles, displaying emotion or sensitivity is enough to be labelled ‘gay’ or a ‘fag’. And for those who are in fact homosexual, there can be more unpleasant consequences. Xien*, a young gay man who works in the fashion industry, says the least he has to face on a daily basis is “staring, jeering and even unwanted advances. While traveling in public places if people somehow suspect that you’re gay, they choose to make a public display of their disdain. If, god forbid, it’s a bunch of guys, it becomes a competition to prove how masculine they are by putting you down, and even attacking you physically.”  He makes an interesting observation, though: “One would find more men involved in such loony acts whereas the female population may not react if the situation involved them instead. I guess it’s something to do with the male ego, along with a lack of awareness.”

It’s these attitudes that cause people like Xien and Manto to hide their sexuality. With homosexuals and homosexuality very much a taboo topic, even people like Manto, who are at ease with who they are, have to hide their identity behind an alias.

So it’s no wonder that the LGBT community makes great use of a medium where aliases and avatars are the norm: the internet. Back in 2007, a Canadian report on the situation of homosexuals in Pakistan claimed:

“The Internet is reportedly contributing to a sense of growing “solidarity” amongst homosexuals in Pakistan. Online chat rooms are said to provide a “safe and anonymous forum for middle- and upper-class gay men.”

Certainly, the anonymity of the internet has allowed many members of the gay community to interact without fear of censure and persecution, and has allowed for the presentation of alternate viewpoints and narratives. From the long-standing Chay magazine, to Mantos’s blog, the Pink Pages, and the PQM’s Facebook site, avenues for the exploration of alternate sexuality have opened up rapidly.  While some sites are lurid forums for organising same-sex liaisons, most are personal blogs and discussion forums. Up until 2009, Jalaludin*, who describes himself as a homosexual banker from Karachi, maintained a blog that was cited in the Times of India and several international publications. In one of his last posts, he writes of how the scrutiny is scaring him off: “The closet door is being banged at very hard. For all the actions where I have come out of the closet to my family and friends does not mean that I am ready to do it officially. Not in Pakistan. I can not. Sorry. So, since this blog has started coming into international media showcasing Pakistani homosexuals, I would have to request you people to at least not try to knock on the closet door.”

Others, like blogger and activist Hadi Husain manage to withstand the online scrutiny and keep the torch burning on their websites and blogs. None of them, however, ever cross the line into ‘real-life’ activism.

But it seems that homosexuality is acceptable so long as it remains on the margins, and firmly within the realm of entertainment. “Bol is a great example of how homosexuality figures in Pakistan,” says society doyen Yousuf Salahuddin. “If you’re rich, you get away with it, but if you’re poor you’re trampled.” Not that the depiction of homosexuals on our screens is a recent phenomenon. Take the classic TV show “Aangan Tehra”, which featured the late Saleem Nasir brilliantly playing the flamboyantly gay, and devastatingly witty, character of Akbar. Not only was he a huge hit (despite his implied sexual preferences), he became a template for hosts of other similar characters in TV, film and stage shows. Cue to the 2000s and we have Ali Saleem’s cross-dressing begum Nawazish, who would interview politicians, celebs and religious leaders alike with his/her innuendo-laden banter. The show was a runway success and, to the best of my knowledge, no one ever burned an effigy of Ali Saleem or issued a fatwa against him. Ironically, even though Salahuddin calls the show “the breakout point for homosexuality in Pakistan,” the fact remains that criticism of Ali Saleem comes not so much from the right, but from some LGBT activists who expected him to speak out forcefully for gay rights.

So long as it’s entertaining, being gay is apparently all right. For the LGBT community itself, keeping the debate online and off-air allows greater control and manages their exposure to a society that is, by and large, intolerant of them. When the debate does hit the mainstream however, the results can be explosive.

Case in point: when the US embassy famously held a function in Islamabad to celebrate Gay Pride on June 26, 2011, many right-wing organisations staged protests. The Jamaat-i-Islami labeled it an act of “social and cultural terrorism against Pakistan,” saying that homosexuals were “neither Muslim, nor Pakistani.” TV talk shows soon followed this hot story, with pundits weighing in on what a terrible crime being gay was. Pakistan’s gay activists responded, but from behind the sheltering anonymity of their avatars. Which gay person in their right mind would out themselves on a nationally broadcast talk show after all?

The blogosphere of course, was buzzing. Manto countered the JI’s statement by saying “Homosexuality was, is and will be an aspect of Pakistani society, just as it has been present in all times and places,” and accused mullahs of practicing “same-sex pedophilia.”

Of course, while it was predictable that the gay community would condemn the religious right for their intolerance, the US embassy also came under fire for ‘outing’ a debate that the community wanted to be able to keep under wraps and under control. Hadi Husain called it “a disaster for the budding underground Pakistani LGBT movement.” Nuwas Manto pointed to the hypocrisy of organising a function in ‘support’ of the LGBT community which left them in the line of fire, and then stopping short of actually offering asylum or any kind of material support apart from “kind words of encouragement.”

Another gay blogger, going by the alias of ‘Tamashbeen’ actually took the outrage as a call to arms. Incensed at a statement made by Mufti Abdul Qawi in which he called homosexuals “worse than animals”, he wrote a blog titled: “Thank you Mufti Sahab, for helping me out of the closet.” Tamashbeen actually came out of the closet to his friends and family — and was surprised at how accepting they were.

The general public, though, views homosexuality as a sin and an aberration. And the religious right, especially after the US embassy fiasco, links homosexuality to nefarious ‘foreign agendas’. For those who feel and advocate that homosexuality is an acquired tendency and a western ill that our society has possibly taken on from exposure to international media and its perversions, Zehra* presents a strong rebuttal.  A physicist by education, she grew up in the Gulf in a house full of books and literary magazines, and never had any exposure to either a homosexual friend or gay literature. A tomboy from the start, she realised she was different when her sisters would fawn over boys and she couldn’t see what all the fuss was about. “The first time I heard the term gay was in 1997 when George Michael was found having intercourse in a public toilet and it became a media scandal,” says Zehra.

Unlike Manto who is agnostic, and Xien, who is Christian, Zehra carries a pocket size Quran with her at all times. “I am a very spiritual person interested in all world religions.”

How does one reconcile one’s faith, which seems to have very strict guidelines on sexual relations, with being a homosexual? Ask any average person and he will vehemently start quoting the story of Lot as prime example of how abhorred homosexuality is within Islam and the Abrahamanic religions.  “We definitely need an alternate interpretation of the story of Lot,” says Manto. Warming to his topic he continues, “a God who can forgive a murderer or a rapist can most certainly forgive a person for loving someone.”

“The biggest problem right now is internalised homophobia,” says Zehra. “We have all been brought up to believe that this is wrong and un-natural,” adding that she believes that the story of Lot speaks of a morally corrupt society and of rape and sodomy, not homosexuality. “Sodomy is forced sex, whether it’s with a man or a woman. The Quran, in fact, doesn’t even mention the word ‘homosexual’. It refers to ‘mukhanas’, which is the Arabic word for transsexual,” says Zehra contending that what has given homosexuality a bad image is its association with male gay culture and by extension to partying, sex, drugs and alcohol. “The fundamental difference between gays and lesbians is that we are not loud about it. Our main concern is who we have feelings for. So it’s not about who you are having sex with,” offers Zehra.

For lesbians like Zehra, being gay is a double-whammy, combining the ‘natural disadvantage’ of being a woman in a patriarchal society with the anxiety caused by one’s sexual orientation. Irrespective of social class, education and background, a woman is expected to behave in ways that are dictated, approved and mandated by the male members of the family. These inherent pressures of ‘womanhood’, led to 30-year-old Zehra’s intensely anxious state of being. “This constant pressure to conform, to marry, to become like any other woman and not knowing what is going on inside me, made me perennially depressed and suicidal.”

Of course, whether you’re gay or straight, some unpleasant facts of life remain constant…like discrimination and sexual harassment, for example. “It’s very difficult, in fact near impossible, to be a straight man and be a model,” says Saif*. Despite being the son of a notable media personality, Saif has been refused work because he has not responded to the sexual advances made by gay modelling agents/photographers/choreographers. “Every designer will ask you before he gives you any work whether or not you are gay. So the casting couch definitely exists. I’ve experienced it for two years and so I have given up on modelling,” claims Saif who says he was even advised by a top agency boss to “just do it — you will become a top model.”

Such stories never really make it to the mainstream, except for example in the case of the 2008 murder of Shaikh Amir Hasan in Karachi, where the accused claimed to have been sexually assaulted by the designer. Again, in 2009 a story alleging same-sex sexual harassment in the Pakistan women’s cricket team briefly made the rounds. Pakistani media did obliquely report on the allegations, but it was ESPN Star that carried the full story. Of course, just as all heterosexual males cannot be held accountable for the fact that rape takes place, it isn’t fair or justifiable to blame all homosexuals or homosexuality itself for the existence of a few bad eggs.

Ultimately though, the quest and challenge lying at the heart of the Pakistan Queer Movement and its members is a desire for acceptability. “Trying to fit a size six shoe on a size four foot will always look awkward, shoddy and inappropriate no matter how much you try to frame a person or group of people into a slot that doesn’t involve them the least,” says Xien. A sentiment that even Zehra echoes when she says longingly, “I don’t want to live a life that compromises my identity.”

Published in The Express Tribune, Sunday Magazine, October 30th, 2011.

Correction: The print version of this article was published without a byline. The error is deeply regretted.

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Reader Comments (55)

  • Straight Fire
    Oct 30, 2011 - 1:10PM

    And everybody knows their ultimate fate … Either hanging on public squares or getting burnt alive, and unfortunately they don’t have other choices but …


  • alias andrea rich
    Oct 30, 2011 - 1:31PM

    Hi. First off, ET is awesome for publishing this article. Before the flaming begins, I’d just like to commend this article for being fairly comprehensive.

    Kudos to the author for writing it. We need as many voices from the LGBTQ community as possible.

    p.s. I’m definitely voting for the PQM.


  • Mohsin Sayeed
    Oct 30, 2011 - 1:54PM

    Very good story, Hani. Timely, courageous and ground-breaking. We need more discussion and dialogue on subjects like homosexuality to dispel myths about it and counter deeply ingrained homophoia. Congratulations to the editor of the magazine for publishing this bold story in these times where raising voice for the discriminated and repressed is a bigger sin than killing people on the name of religion, nationality and honour.
    Hope Tribune will continue to publish stories like these and play its due role in paving way for an equal, just, free society in Pakistan where no individual will be discriminated against and persecuted for his/her political beliefs, sexuality, caste or religion.


  • Nimran
    Oct 30, 2011 - 1:59PM

    I am all for Homosexuality.

    Its about time express tribune also do a piece on incest, bestiality and necrophilia.Its a matter of personal choice, isn’t it?Recommend

  • eyeroll
    Oct 30, 2011 - 2:04PM

    So atleast everyone agrees on one thing which is these people keep their identity covered. Great! Now lets keep it that way!


  • Aamir
    Oct 30, 2011 - 2:14PM

    We need to educate these misguided people. There is no concept of homosexuality in Islam and one of the reasons for anger of Allah on nations (Read Quran). May Allah save us from disaster and show us the right path. Our so called liberal media is dragging Pakistan to something worse in the name of freedon. I also urge homosexuals to read and understand what is right and what is wrong.


  • Err
    Oct 30, 2011 - 2:14PM

    All those saying Quran needs a radical alternative interpretation to make homosexuality acceptable (the only way poss would be to read NO as YES) is like those advocating alcohol drinking despite literal verses in the Quran absolutely forbidding it. People stop being intellectually dishonest, whatever your personal preferences dont try to forceably come up with religious justifications out of the air. If God wanted to make this permissible, He would have explicitly said so, just everything else has been explicitly laid out. I have more respect for someone who is honest enough to say they dont want to practice certain than someone who lies to themselves and others about non-existent religious explanation. If your feeling insecure, then obviously there is a good reason behind it.


  • Oct 30, 2011 - 2:25PM

    This is what happens when a person distances himself away from the true faith.


  • Sarah
    Oct 30, 2011 - 2:48PM

    I dont know what is wrong with people. I was shocked to read this article. So now we are going to accept gays and lesbians? It feels like we’re a western country. People are so pretentious these days. They’ll do just about anything to follow the west. No one has morals anymore! Pakistan is a MUSLIM country and ISLAM does not allow gays and lesbians. You stupid people, Allah made two genders, male and female to merge. You dont need to mix and match and try to find variety just because you’re so desperate you’ll accept just about anyone. Dont try to be all western by becoming too liberal!! People should know the difference between becoming narrow-minded and ebcoming too liberal. I encourage and respect freedom of speech but this i will never accept. I am not a servant and follower of the west!Recommend

  • Mj
    Oct 30, 2011 - 2:58PM

    Live and let live, as long as your rights are not being infringed upon. Freedom and equality for all regardless of race, gender, nationality, sexuality, and religious beliefs.


  • Eymaad
    Oct 30, 2011 - 3:40PM

    @Nimran, you are right man, after all its all about personal interests and choices…


  • Ehhh?/
    Oct 30, 2011 - 3:42PM

    Even if a person is inclined to the same sex, he is required to curb his desires just as in the case where a person is inclined to a woman who is Haraam for him. He is required to control his desires and abstain.

    Allah Ta’ala has also stated in several places of the Quran that He has created men and women so that they may be mates for each other (in marriage). The inception of marriage for mankind on Earth was to maintain the human race through procreation. Therefore, it is absolutely clear that homosexuality is strictly prohibited.Recommend

  • Ehhh?/
    Oct 30, 2011 - 3:43PM

    To be honest , I dont have any problem with living people live the way they want. But I can certainly not accept something that is just wrong.
    So if you want to live a homosexual life, thats your prerogative. Dont promote it in a Muslim country so we can accept that its right!


  • Leila Rage
    Oct 30, 2011 - 4:30PM

    @Sarah: Its not about being a servant of the west. If we keep shunning gays and lesbians and killing anyone who admits to being homosexual, do you think homosexuality will end? No, it’ll just be swept out of the public sight like all our other ills. (Not that i’m condoning it)


  • Leila Rage
    Oct 30, 2011 - 4:35PM

    and being a tomboy as a child does not necessarily mean someone will become gay.


  • Paras Vikmani
    Oct 30, 2011 - 5:14PM

    Homosexuals deserve their rights.
    Its like live and let live.


  • Mirza Abeer
    Oct 30, 2011 - 5:36PM

    That was certainly interesting to read but remember no matter how you portray it, homosexuality is still and always will be wrong. Still kudos to Tribune for the article.


  • sadaf imran
    Oct 30, 2011 - 6:01PM

    i am a pakistani, i have lived here my entire life. i am also pro lgbtq rights. pakistan might be an islamic country but all of us, regardless of where we stand/what we believe have an equal claim to this place. so you can think this is the worst thing ever or the first step in the right direction, but either way both those opinions can be held by pakistanis who stand equally in their country.

    all the more power to the brave author of this article, i respect express tribune for providing platforms for all types of voices, some that i agree with and some that i dont, but they are all important nonetheless, and should all be given a time to be heard. Recommend

  • Oct 30, 2011 - 6:24PM

    I respect humanity and thus I respect and support homosexuals as well. Why is it that the society is such a hypocrite standstill state? I am free to choose my life partner but why is it that if somebody is gay he isn’t allowed to make his own choices? I know of cases where parents ruined lives of other women by getting married inorder to cure their son whom happens to be gay. Is it a disease of mind? No not at all, it is just a simple state of making choices and preferences and we should support these people because they being gay don’t make them less human, they are equally as human as we are, they also have emotions, feelings and life and we should not separate them from us just because of their preferences. My best friend, whom I confide each and every minute detail of my life after my family is gay, and I happen to be very comfortable being with him and talking to him and not even for a second in my life I felt insecure in his presence.


  • SH
    Oct 30, 2011 - 7:09PM

    The greatest wrong is to to hurt someone. Then comes, killing, raping, lying, backstabbing, cheating, undermining the intelligent, promoting mediocrity and all the rest. A brilliant article. It did not try to draw any firm conclusion.


  • feetxxxl
    Oct 30, 2011 - 7:51PM

    sadly, after having convinced u.s. society and christian believers that being gay is absolutely equal to being heterosexual and is of god, it appears that thirdworld countries have elictited a backlash that is more brutal than anything that has ever existed in the past.

  • Pakistani
    Oct 30, 2011 - 8:58PM

    Good for you, now can express please move to real issues confronting Pakistanis, Recommend

  • Qamar Khan
    Oct 30, 2011 - 10:01PM

    Dont understand why religious people get so irked about gays/lesbian rights, they are not causing any harm to u religious people! u guys are the same who demands respect and rights as a muslim but u yourself dont grants right to non-muslims or gays/lesbian..Pakisatn is definetly a big mistake! A country based on theocracy only means rights to a particular religious group! All muslim are enjoying a lots of freedom and rights in kafir countries, but muslims are not giving rights to non-muslims! and then they weeps when people considers them as non-tolerance!

    why dont people understand, not every pakistani is a muslim?! and yes i am not a gay, i am straight and no i am not from india, born in Karachi, but due to rise of extremism and intolerance against minorities/women/non-muslims, i didn’t want to stay in Pakistan anymore!


  • nasir
    Oct 30, 2011 - 11:10PM

    let me guess. the next issue of Tribune magazine would be on Heejras and their plight in Pakistan? I think ET is running out of ideas now. Nothing new in this article. I slept half way through it. And guess what, I’m someone who is gay and living in this country who is saying this.


  • Zaidi
    Oct 30, 2011 - 11:34PM

    It’s unnatural and a sin.
    U may hide from ur family and friends but can’t hide from Almighty Allah.
    It’s not a right, it’s a crime!


  • Nasir
    Oct 30, 2011 - 11:35PM

    Do whatever you like in the name of freedom but do not say right to the wrong.


  • Zaidi
    Oct 30, 2011 - 11:41PM

    completely agree


  • Cristhian Mathew
    Oct 31, 2011 - 1:27AM

    I took benzos AS PRESCRIBED by doctor. Became very ill and decided to withdraw without any help from doctor. Took 4 years for me to return to my “old” self. I NEVER abused these drugs. Benzos almost destroyed my life and definitely robbed me of 6 years. Doctors and psych doctors had these out like candy!!!

    This article also is offensive to me as it only points to patients/people deliberately abusing these drugs. There is another side to this story!!!



  • PakistaniCanadian
    Oct 31, 2011 - 8:53AM


    The problem with your logic is that even though incest, bestiality, and necrophilia are all about ‘personal choice’, there is a distinct lack of consent from the other party in all three categories. That means in these encounters, one party is the victim of rape. If consent were lacking in a homosexual encounter, it would also just be rape. However, nobody is advocating that as far as I can tell from reading this article.


  • Taha Ceen Tayyab
    Oct 31, 2011 - 10:35AM

    Ok well bestiality does not involve rape of an animal neccesarily it can be just as willing and there are cases where it has happened.
    Incest involves having sexual relations with relatives that are other wise generally considered as out of bounds for sexual encounters. OKAY??? So there has been incidences where Brother-sister, Mother-son relations were reported with consent from both partners. There is a couple (brother-sister) in germany currently facing trial for incest with 4 children out of that relationship. So please get your facts straight!!!


  • Baqar
    Oct 31, 2011 - 10:48AM

    What I fail to understand is why ET is so eager on promoting LGBT issues….Freedom of speech is one thing but your agenda looks like promoting this anti-nature practice

  • eman pasha
    Oct 31, 2011 - 11:34AM

    Its is ‘wrong’ in Islam, yes. but please understand that not everyone prescribes to Islam in this country, and many people have interpretations that vary from yours. And believe it or not, there are non muslims here, atheists even. What is wrong to you might not be wrong to everyone, you cant generalize like that, we all dont think the same AND THAT IS OKAY.


  • CI
    Oct 31, 2011 - 12:05PM

    It wasnt Saleem Zia, it was Saleem Nasir!


  • Abdul Rehman Gilani
    Oct 31, 2011 - 12:27PM

    To all the mentally deluded people supporting gays,

    You can do what you want, but no need to profess your perverse ideals on the majority of the Muslims, who are not gays. The punishment for publicly professing such acts and justifying it, should be death as it comes under the crime of fasaad fil ardh.Recommend

  • Baqar
    Oct 31, 2011 - 12:41PM

    Yes everybody has the right to do watever one deems fit for himself…but the majority of this country doesnot approve homosexuality infact people are disgusted with very thought of it, in short they despise it… So my advice to brave gays, lesbian, Bi, crossdressers etc. please stay in the closet we dont need yet another petty issue to trigger violent protests. I am requesting because you people tend to be more sensitive than the others, therfore please stay in the closet for the sake of this country and soceity. Our soceity is already shattered it cant take the torpedo you are looking to fire by coming out openly.


  • Kenny Q
    Oct 31, 2011 - 12:52PM

    Let’s get one thing straight. Being homosexual is forbidden in Islam and that’s why we cannot promote it in a Muslim country. People are entitled to make their own choices but that does not mean we allow them to change the culture of our country. Let the homosexuals do what they want but if they think the day will come when it is easy for them to come out in the open or for the society to accept them, then they are mistaken.


  • Aman
    Oct 31, 2011 - 1:00PM

    Good work :) Keep it up……..


  • Unreasonable patriot
    Oct 31, 2011 - 1:34PM

    @Abdul Rehman Gilani: Of course its fasaad fil ardh! After all, being gay is contagious right? We can’t allow this infection of our puritanical society by overtly gay people. Let those who like little boys rape them in privacy of their own agricultural lands and let images of lesbians float freely in the confines of our perverse minds. But out in the open, no, no. Lest we treat them like human beings, with rights.


  • sara rauf
    Oct 31, 2011 - 3:46PM

    those who support it better get educated about it bec its just a state of mind..hazrat loot(A.S) key qoom pay zalzaloon ka azab aya tha bec they were engaged in such activites..and if u look around ALLAH is bewaring us that get ur act together..”jiss tarhan is nay baqey qoomay khatam key hamay bhi kar sakta hay “.so open ur eyes..
    There are many reasons why it is forbidden in Islam. Homosexuality is dangerous for the health of the individuals and for the society. It is a main cause of one of the most harmful and fatal diseases. It is disgraceful for both men and women. It degrades a person. Islam teaches that men should be men and women should be women. Homosexuality deprives a man of his manhood and a woman of her womanhood. It is the most un-natural way of life. Homosexuality leads to the destruction of family life.”


  • feetxxxl
    Oct 31, 2011 - 4:02PM

    what i find interesting is your need to demonize homosexuality in order to rail against it by characterizing it with claims of pedophelia, etc., and not be able to speak the truth. that homosexuals have never been found wanting in any sector of society compared to heterosexuals. they are not less a father, friend ,doctor, soldier, spouse, counselor , teacher, lawyer, brother, neighbor,etc. would you say the same of murders, adulters, and thieves.

    that homosexuals bond in the same way as heterosexuals out of mutual love, devotion, affection,trust, respect for shared comitted life together.

    heterosexuals have been known to express sexual intimacy in the same way, and given the numbers of heterosexuals to homosexuals there are more heterosexuals that homosexuals doing it. but there is no witch hunt about these heterosexuals. rather it is a common understanding that what ever happens in the marriage bed is no one else’s business.Recommend

  • Oct 31, 2011 - 4:54PM

    @Unreasonable Patriot: I would like to add here, that not only in agricultural lands but Molvis raping young boys within the four walls of a madressah a place where the beginning of spirituality begins for any person, and it is also right for those people who would not obey the law of the land because it is man made and not mentioned in the Quran and Sunnah because they only want to observe what the Quran and Sunnah says, but just remember that the Quran also says that do not blood shed, foster brotherhood and spread the message of peace i.e. ISLAM


  • Moiz Kazmi
    Oct 31, 2011 - 5:26PM

    More power to you Hani. Thank you for supporting PQM! Cheers x


  • feetxxxl
    Oct 31, 2011 - 5:47PM

    does the koran support justice and advocate speaking the truth?


  • A.
    Oct 31, 2011 - 6:21PM

    You can’t just accept facets of Islam that work in your favour and discard the one’s that don’t. If you consider yourself a muslim, then you have to agree that whatever is in that book, with its set limitations of right and wrong, are what they are. You drink, but you cannot in anyway say that it is allowed in Islam. The same way, you may be a homosexual, but don’t try to force the idea that it is right and allowed. The story of Hazrat Lut is enough of an indicator; God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and John or Eve and Jane.
    The same way, I believe people need to stop treating homosexuals as criminals. What they do is between them and their God. So let them be.


  • feetxxxl
    Oct 31, 2011 - 7:14PM

    in the bible the word justice is spoken 144 times, speaking the truth is paramount, and false witness opposes the spirit of christ.


  • feetxxxl
    Oct 31, 2011 - 7:32PM

    “God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and John” of course he created adam and eve for procreation of the species, but you are confusing proceation with sexual orientation. to say that procreation is not as important as providing a nurturing environment overlooks the fact that gays have opened their homes for rejected and abandoned children of heterosexual unions.

    surely the koran is a book of reason. if being gay is a sin? what is it that it violates?

    in the bible it says that a man will leave his parents and bond with the opposite sex, but there is no word “only” in the passage to qualify that this is the only human bonding that is of god. to add this is to write ones own law.


  • Hindu Indian
    Oct 31, 2011 - 10:38PM

    Hi, First of all, Homosexuality has nothing to do with the West, except the fact that “they” understand that some humans like people from the same sex. And even if it is western wats wrong with it? Isnt computer western, internet western, dont we(Indians and Pakistanis) accept technology?


  • Abdul Rehman Gilani
    Nov 1, 2011 - 10:56AM

    @Unreasonable patriot:

    two wrongs do not prove a right, nice try with the mockery though. But No one sane is gonna buy the perverse ideology of the homos.


  • Baqar
    Nov 1, 2011 - 1:49PM

    @Hindu Indian
    So you mean to say we should treat homosexuality as new technology!!!! If you think so then good for you…. As a Pakistani i can only say that although we are a soceity of many vices but we dont justify vices as virtues… Today if we accept homos who knows tmw other sick minds stand up for accepting incest, beastality etc.


  • The Messenger
    Nov 1, 2011 - 2:47PM

    I Think the biggest Hypocrite anyone can be is when they refer to someone as pure and forgiving as God (which ever Name or Form we may refer to as) getting “Angry” and “Punishing” one of its own Children because those Children are following what comes to them Naturally. We are not talking about Situational Homosexuality here which is extremely prevalent in Muslim Societies caused by the segregation of sexes, we are talking about Natural Homosexuality which is as Natural as one being blonde, red-haired, dark skinned or blue eyed. “God” never wanted all Humans to be same because “God” alone knows and “God” alone sees the beauty of its Creation … If God dsnt want something … that thing just would not exist …. if that Exists it is because God wishes it to …. after all God is All Powerful isnt it ? When one forces vested Social interests under the propaganda of “God”‘s will one Goes against the very Will of God.Even if it is so called “against” “God’s” “Will”… If you expect “God” to give forgive and give Paradise to people who kill other Gods Children in Gods name, I dont see any reason why God would “not forgive” their Children who choose just to Love someone a bit differently from its other Children.


  • alex
    Nov 1, 2011 - 4:39PM

    A very poorly written and inadequately researched article. Secondly, the word queer is more derogatory than the word gay and its foolish PQM opted for that.Recommend

  • feetxxxl
    Nov 1, 2011 - 8:40PM

    according to the bible that which is of god is that which of his spirit. in other words do homosexuals live of the same spirit in their lives as do heterosexuals.

    the answer is of course

    .rather than a legal issue its a spirit issue.

    homosexuals live the fullness of god’s love in their lives and marriages in the same way as do heterosexuals.


  • khurram kaleem
    Nov 2, 2011 - 1:44AM

    Like eating Haram(e.g monkey meat) is a cause of major viruses in the world in the same manner homosexuality is haram and creates viruses and diseases for human life.if you have any doubt you can do research.

    Homosexuality is bad for human race as well as its not found in animals or living creation as well.So its illogical behaviour and needs pshyco treatment.its nothing related to freedom of expression


  • Kashif Nadeem
    Nov 2, 2011 - 3:35PM

    Come on ….. where you people are going? Do not forget to withstand for what you do. Do not be in doubt to be accountable one day….close to come. For which i say…from where did you come? towards Whom and where would you go, then you’ll answer all your deviations to One Alpha & Omega.


  • M.S.Ibraheem
    Nov 3, 2011 - 2:03PM

    My God.When I read the title on the cover I thought it was some kind of joke .
    Where is this liberal media dragging us to ?Hasnt our accepting and promoting Westernism destroyed us already ?
    This is the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for God’s sake.How can we even think about something so …….wrong .Have we Muslims and peoples of the books forgotten the tale of the Prophet Lot ?The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah ?
    Disgusting ,to say the least .Where is this liberalism and adoption of western rhetoric leading us except destruction ?


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