Two-Nation Theory or TNT?

Published: September 7, 2011
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The writer is a human resource consultant currently based in New York aziz.akhmad@tribune.com.pk

The writer is a human resource consultant currently based in New York [email protected]

Nawaz Sharif kicked off what could have been potentially an interesting and educative debate when he spoke at a meeting of the South Asia Free Media Association (safma) in Lahore a few weeks ago. But unfortunately, the debate was not carried forward and, barring one or two exceptions, was largely ignored by the electronic media.

Essentially what Nawaz Sharif had said was: (a) Since Pakistan is now an independent country, accepted and recognised by India, the Two-Nation Theory or TNT for short, which was used as a tool to achieve Pakistan, has now become irrelevant; (b) India and Pakistan cannot afford to live perpetually in a state of war, engaged in an arms race; (c) Both countries need to open their borders for trade.

Of the few exceptions, Express News carried an interesting discussion on the subject between Marvi Sirmed, a journalist and political commentator, and Zaid Hamid who has become known for his red cap and his speech that drips profusely with rhetoric and religiosity. In fact, it drips so profusely that if one shows a match to it, it would catch fire. In fact, it would be helpful if Zaid Hamid wore the danger symbol of skull and crossbones on his cap. At least people who debate him will be forewarned.

Incidentally, talking of red caps, Ghazi Abdul Rashid of the Lal Masjid also wore a red cap before he died fighting the ‘forces of evil’, and so do his followers today. One wonders since when did the color of Islam change from white or black or green to red? Didn’t we, during the ‘great jihad’, fight anyone or anything that wore red?

Anyway, the debate between Marvi and Zaid Hamid did allow viewers a peek into what was actually underneath the red cap — the mindset. There were two things, basically. One, we need a system modelled after Khilafat-e-Rashida, and not democracy. It is the same objective that was pursued by people like Sufi Mohammad of Swat, Mullah Omar of Kandhar, the Ghazi brothers of Lal Masjid and Bin Laden, and we all know with what results. Obviously, the irony is lost on the red caps and black turbans that the actual Khilafat-e-Rashida did not last for more than 30 years, ending in insurgencies, murder and mayhem, and giving way to dynastic monarchies. The other point Zaid Hamid fiercely argued was that the Two-Nation Theory or TNT was the raison d’etre of Pakistan — it’s foundation. We simply cannot let it go.

This argument on TNT reminds me of an interesting and reasonable explanation of the theory given by an eminent professor of political science, some years ago at the Administrative Staff College, Lahore. He said the TNT could best be compared to scaffolding that is used to raise a building. Once the building is complete, you dismantle the scaffolding and start taking care of the building. Using another analogy, he said that the TNT could also be compared to a midwife whose services are required to deliver a baby. Once the baby is born, you thank the midwife, pay her, give her a gift or two, say goodbye to her and start looking after the newborn. In our case, the professor said we are neither prepared to dismantle the scaffolding or say goodbye to the midwife.

To the above, I may add another analogy. TNT, as you may know, is also an acronym for a highly explosive chemical substance — trinitrotoluene — which is used in explosive devices. Once the device has accomplished its purpose, it is always advisable to safely dispose off the empty shell or canister and not to play with it. It may still contain traces of TNT that could explode in your face.

Published in The Express Tribune, September 8th,  2011.

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  • Post from New York
    Sep 7, 2011 - 11:41PM

    Pakistan was made on the ideology of TNT i.e. Hindus and Muslims can not stay together in undivided India as they have different history, culture and way of life. How wrong this has been proved in the last 60+ years. Muslims and Hindus (& Christians, Sikhs etc) have lived in India peacefully (with very few exceptions) and all have contributed to India’s growth and progress. India would not have been the same place without its Muslims, Sikhs and other religious minorities. India’s strength lies in its diversity.

    Excellent article and the analogies given are really the best part. I think it is high time Pakistan should do away with TNT….let go the history and care for the present and future.
    People like Zaid Hamid will not take the country anywhere.

    The time calls for a CHANGE !!!

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  • Grace
    Sep 7, 2011 - 11:42PM

    People who don’t know much about the history about the lands and people of Pakistan are quick to dismiss the nation. Regardless of what Nawaz Sharif may or may not have said, Pakistan is a separate and soverign nation and the 2 nation theory is an established fact that cannot be changed. As for India, it should be made into 20 or so odd nations since the British are the ones who made it as one.

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  • N
    Sep 8, 2011 - 12:49AM

    TNT – right or wrong, is the basis for Pakistan. Pakistan is here to stay. Nawaz Sharif is right. Time to resolve issues with India and take care of our own. But if we don’t, we will face our TNT soon again, like we did in 1971,with the Baloch, Sindhis and Pashtuns.

    The intensity of our incendiary righteousness and grudge for India can be gauged by the response by Grace (above). Many laal topi wallahs all around. Those who play by TNT shall reap the consequences of TNT.

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  • ammar
    Sep 8, 2011 - 12:54AM

    @newyork: let me tell u one thing..we have seen ghandism of india in babri masjid..we have seen it in mumbai riots…we have seen it whn a muslim cannot perform his religious ritual i-e sacrifice of cow on eid ul adha..! Dont talk abt peace in india we are nt deaf dumb or blind…! We have seen nd seeing india aggression in kashmir..! If india is so secular or so good to muslims why muslims of kashmir are still suffring??
    P.S: i dont knoe the exact date of mumbai carnage where hindus of india burnd christians in thr chuch..!
    P.S.S: plz stop thinking that world is blind..!seeing india aggression in kashmir..! If india is so secular or so good to muslims why muslims of kashmir are still suffring??
    P.S: i dont knoe the exact date of mumbai carnage where hindus of india burnd christians in thr chuch..!
    P.S.S: plz stop thinking that world is blind..!

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  • Wasil Arian
    Sep 8, 2011 - 1:05AM

    It is like proverbial blanket what does not let go Pakistan. Unless the true nature of TNT is not exposed it will continue to haunt notwithstanding longvity of time lapse. To ignore it or dismiss it as something insignificant is futile and needs more Marvis to charge it head on.
    TNT in the hands of mentally challanged is proving very harmful.

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  • GW
    Sep 8, 2011 - 1:42AM

    In Pakistan “crazies” get media time the rest que-up for visa to get out

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  • fahim
    Sep 8, 2011 - 2:09AM

    very sensible article. The author should be cautious and we pray for his safety for speaking truth which is different from popular hatemongers.

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  • Naseer
    Sep 8, 2011 - 3:04AM

    Actually the worst part is: we mix religion with national identity. Two nation theory as stated in books and most of the people around us tell : Muslims and Hindus are two separate identities and therefore cannot live together. But my point is, do Muslims of India not consider themselves as part of the Indian Nation? Yes they do! so where’s the authenticity and credibility of what we had been taught all these years? We have to grasp the basic difference between Religion and National Identity.

    The real issue is that we are dealing with NNT (N-Nations Theory) here in Pakistan and turning a blind eye to this solid fact, we are getting worried about 2 nation theory. When will we learn to address our core problems first?

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  • AnisAqeel
    Sep 8, 2011 - 3:30AM

    Only those people advocate TNT these days that fiercely rejected this ideology before 1947 and now they are becoming champions of TNT after it already has failed with the creation of Bangladesh. As a matter of fact TNT was based on secularism for the majority Muslim areas of united India and not what today’s clerics and fundamentalists are preaching. How could these clerics fiercely oppose before the creation of Pakistan if it meant to be based on practice of Islamic jurisprudence?!!!
    Now the Muslim color of red other than white, black or green! Color is a minor change; these clerics have changed the entire Islam in the name of Islam.

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  • Sep 8, 2011 - 7:10AM

    The fact that Pakistan is a sovereign country is history so what is the use of talking about TNT.

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  • ROCK
    Sep 8, 2011 - 8:06AM

    ha ha Zaid hamid. We consider him greatest entertainer where bollywood fails, and cartoons become boring. Please don’t deprive us from entertainment. Real world has become boring, lets see another world through Zaid hamid’s eyes. Sadly in India we can not see his daily show.

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  • Aslam Mahaboob
    Sep 8, 2011 - 10:17AM

    @Grace: ” As for India, it should be made into 20 or so odd nations since the British are the ones who made it as one.” What is your point?

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  • Feroz
    Sep 8, 2011 - 10:27AM

    Pakistan is a reality and on one can change the fact, Indian people accepted the fact and granted recognition. Whether the development model,policy of inclusion and secularism followed by India works better or the homogenization by Religion sought by Pakistan works better only time will tell. In reality minorities as a %age of population is falling rapidly in Pakistan and expanding in India, this tells its own story. Also the promises made to the minority people at independence has been sabotaged by the Constitution of one country and upheld by another. No prizes for guessing which country is suffering more for the stands they took. No offence meant to anyone from any country or Religion.

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  • chandran
    Sep 8, 2011 - 10:54AM

    whenever pakisthan talks about muslims in India they talk only about
    the kashmir muslims as if there is no other muslims living in India and is a pure hindu country. What about the Muhajirs (150 million indian muslims) who supposed to have migrated to pakisthan at the time of our first partions still living with hindus. Only 7 millions have migrated to pakisthan along with Jinnah saab and living in karachi. The present muhajir population in karachi is a thukda of Indian muslim population. They are double edged kinfe now. You can use their population against india and India can use them against pakisthan. Kashmir is not the unfinish chapter of our partion but the muhajir are real unfinished chapter our partion. One day these muslims also goes to pakisthan along with kashmir muslims. Finally kashmir problem will get solved. And india will become hindusthan.

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  • Mansoor Toor
    Sep 8, 2011 - 11:03AM

    @ Writer: I suggest you should start living in democratic India and check out how Muslims are being treated there also add Kashmir region in that and after that write blog again.
    Mansoor

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  • Immymud
    Sep 8, 2011 - 11:17AM

    “TNT could best be compared to scaffolding that is used to raise a building. Once the building is complete, you dismantle the scaffolding and start taking care of the building.”

    Aah Sorry to say sir, but this is not proper definition of “Two Nation Theory” not ‘TNT’, it is the base of the building named Pakistan chosen may of those Muslims who had living with the other communities in united “India” for over a millennium and they had a history with them and after these long relation they decided to support this theory Why? I don’t think that i have to explain this as you already aware of better then me.

    Pakistan Zindabad..

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  • Muhammad Ahsan Khan
    Sep 8, 2011 - 11:20AM

    The origin of TNT is religious. It is based on the assumption that Muslims will not have religious freedom in a Hindu majority India. So, TNT is not the foundation, it is simply a “scaffolding” as the Professor said.

    By folding it, you can remove the physical structure but you can not fold Islam and get rid of religion in state affaires.

    Pakistan will always remain an Islamic Republic under the present Islamic Constitution. The people will be governed under the guidence of Allaah. They will have Islamic Democracy and not the Democracy where people is free to govern itself without Divine Guidence.

    Long Live Islamic Republic!!!

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  • Salman Orangiwala
    Sep 8, 2011 - 11:22AM

    TNT ( 2 nation theory ) has been drowned in the river Ganges ‘ said Premier Indira Gandhi after the fall of Dhaka .

    Ok , so TNT is very much alive and kicking………eh ? So , if you insist ; allow Indian Muslims to freely settle in Paksitan , bring back stranded Bihari Pakistanis from Bangladesh who opted for paksitan only , otherwise , mere talking wont help and TNT will be literally Tri-Nitro-Toluine ..

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  • samandar
    Sep 8, 2011 - 11:30AM

    @ammar. You cannot perform the religious ritual of an animal sacrifice on eid in theUSA or the UK or in Germany either.That does not stop millions of Pakistanis wanting to migrate to those countries.
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  • Alex
    Sep 8, 2011 - 11:30AM

    Hi,

    Two Nation Theory is just one way to manage people in various provinces of Pakistan by showing them a common enemy (Hindus in this case) and keep them distracted so as to manage the central control over them.

    As for sovereignity, no offence to anyone but the way I see it, Pakistan is hardly a sovereign country anymore. In my opinion, Pakistan comprises of an enlarged barrack at the core (Punjab) and vassal provinces around it which pay tributes to the central core (Sindh, Baloch, NWFP). The political establishment is just an eyewash. While some of these provinces are modern (Sindh) some are tribal (Waziristan) and some are separatist (Baloch). The central core has already lost its biggest/most profitable province (East Pakistan) in its unrelenting and in a way futile quest for state of Kashmir.

    Managing so many diverse provinces requires currency, and with dwindling economy PA turned over to America for Aid to arm itself and control the vassal states.But “soon American money will dry up and Pakistan will need a different strategy. One way is what they have done in PoK, ie hand over the vassal state to China for arms/power. This is the truth of Pakistan. Pakistan acts on Chinese “diktats”. Want proof? remember Lal Masjid? recent run of Pasha to Beijing? need I say more?

    Alex

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  • Ali
    Sep 8, 2011 - 11:53AM

    we can’t say that TNT was flopped after the creation of Bangladesh. Was East Pakistan merged in India????? no!!! i totally agree with you if Bangladesh became the part of India but it was never happened, after 71 it came out as a free Muslim state. furthermore, one of my friend raised the question of mixing the religion with politics so i must say that it was Ghandi who dragged religion into politics and i think it was the turning point in Indian history as before this both Muslims and Hindus shared the common interest which was to get rid of foreign rule.

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  • sanity
    Sep 8, 2011 - 12:03PM

    Well said Mansoor Toor. Two nation theory or anything else, we want a border between racist Hindus and us.

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  • Sep 8, 2011 - 12:04PM

    Pakistan is a separate and sovereign nation and the 2 nation theory is an established fact that cannot be changed. Now SAFMA and Marvi Sirmed and so many other ppl who are critisizing Quaid and Allama Iqbal and two nations theory,,,,,y ppl dnt believe in international conspiracies,,,,so many ppl of our ethnic background are on payroll of others,,,and they are doing best,,,,to dismantle us our future generations,,,,a person cannot stand wothout spinal cord…..two nations theory was necessary to Get Pakistan,,,a separate Land of Independence,,,,where we can live freely, INDIAN muslims are not free, they are not treated well,,,,whatevr misery we are in right now its our own fault,,,,but this doesnt mean that QUAID,ALAMA IQBAL or TWO NATION THEORY was rubbish…..GOOD work done by author by picking up articles and topics which can divide us and make us doubt ful,,,i can give u topics BUREAUCRACY In Pakistan, CORRUPTION in Pakistan, MQM role and INDIAN involvment in Pakistan, BALOCHISTAN and INDIAN role, ANP and Pakistan, ZARDARI role in PPPP, is it BHUTTO PPP or ZARDARI PPPP ruling Pakistan right now….if you are such a great writer and analyst then start writing ,,,,, poor ppl in Pakistan are dying bcoz of these above propaganda ppl and groups,,,eradicate them,,,my beautiful PAKISTAN is here to STAY…LISTEN CAREFULLY

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  • MUNIB
    Sep 8, 2011 - 12:49PM

    Two Nation Theory is a funny theory : Its the only theory in the world where a Practical was carried out before the theory could be proved correct and hence the end result being a “Failed State”
    lolz

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  • Sep 8, 2011 - 12:56PM

    @fahim: You think so??? Pay attention carefully to the last two paragraphs, which are unacceptable and indigestible. Salams to you brother.

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  • A J Khan
    Sep 8, 2011 - 12:59PM

    A very simple and thought provoking article. I agee with evry point of Mr Aziz Akhmad. I am happily surprised by what Mr Nawaz Sharif had said about TNT.
    People like Wali Khan, Ghaffar Khan, and scores of vetern leaders have been labeled traitors for such comments. This is a change from the past.
    In our case scaffolding is the establishment and midwives are the Clerics.
    Another fact that has been written [email protected] from New York:is that,” Pakistan was made on the ideology of TNT i.e. Hindus and Muslims can not stay together in undivided India as they have different history, culture and way of life. How wrong this has been proved in the last 60+ years. Muslims and Hindus (& Christians, Sikhs etc) have lived in India peacefully”.
    I will add that TNT proved that Muslims cannot live peacefully with Muslims. See what is happening in Pakistan.

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  • Ranjit
    Sep 8, 2011 - 1:15PM

    The author is simply saying that TNT has served its purpose by creating Pakistan……Pakistan is now a established muslim country and will remain that way forever………

    The key issue is whether Pakistan and India should be permanent hostile neighbors because of TNT…..that is precisely what Zaid Hamid wants……after all, that is how he makes his living……rozi roti ka sawal hai…….if TNT is gone, he will be on the streets looking for a job……..

    Marvi Sirmed and this author are saying that India and Pakistan should be normal neighbors with trade and tourism……and that requires moving away from TNT as a governing philosophy…….it does not mean removing borders or removing Islam from Pakistan……it only means that the two countries deal with each other in a civilized way….even if you consider India a kafir country…….if Pakistan can have good relations with a Kafir country like China, why not with India?……after all, every other Islamic country has good relations with India….so Marvi and this author make a lot of sense…..what is there to disagree here?

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  • Abhi
    Sep 8, 2011 - 1:56PM

    @munib
    mostly practicals are carried out to prove or disprove a theory. The problem with the Pakistani experiment is that people are still debating if it passed or failed and I think it will continue for some time.

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  • Nazim
    Sep 8, 2011 - 1:59PM

    ppl talk about TNT on religious ground. I think totally denied anything like TNT. I can give examples from Quran where prophets prayed to God the guide their ‘nation’ = Qaum. Even our own prophet didnt say that we could not live with non-Muslims of Makka or Madina.

    OK…if TNT is true, then what British Muslims should do? what’s about American Muslims? or 3% Muslims in Europe? Should they divide their countries?

    And what’s about Indian Muslims? they don’t fall in TNT category? why one northern Indian Muslims enjoyed TNT? Any Zaid Hamid can answer?

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  • M Ali Khan
    Sep 8, 2011 - 2:14PM

    TNT = racism and religious bigotry

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  • rock
    Sep 8, 2011 - 2:20PM

    Thank God indian muslim rejected two nation theory. India has become peaceful because of secularism.

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  • jagjit
    Sep 8, 2011 - 2:24PM

    i think we should not interfere in Pakistan situation. its there headache. we have our own big problems. i dont know why my brothers are worry about Pakistan. we have to look into our own weakness. They are free state now. its there right what to do in there country. believing on two nation theory is there right. what is our problem. we have to take our govt out of corruption which is highest in whole world. Pakistan corruption is nothing infront of us. we are laeading. anyway i just wanna say that we have to make our country progress. and get aside from other countries problems. we have to sove big issue of Kashmir issue. and recently discoveries of 2000 graves was shameful for whole India.

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  • gp65
    Sep 8, 2011 - 2:31PM

    @ammar:
    “we have seen ghandism of india in babri masjid..we have seen it in mumbai riots…we have seen it when a muslim cannot perform his religious ritual i-e sacrifice of cow on eid ul adha”.

    Babri masjid hapened in 1992 – nearly 19 years back. But even today Pakistan sends soldiers to Bahrain where daily Shia masjids are destroyed.

    Even if a Muslim may hesitate to publicly slaughter goats in deference to his Hindu neighbours, they do not worry that they will be killed in a bomb blast while performing Eid namaaz. Nor do they worry that their ashura procession will be attacked nor are they called Wajab-ul-qatl and kiled in their own homeland nor are they described as Mohajir in a land where not just they but their parents were born, nor are young children celebrating Eid kidnapped by strategic assets of the state.

    And by the way his name was Gandhi and he went on a fast unto death to ensure that Pakistan got their share of treasury and in return got killed for that. SO please take his name wiih some respect.

    In my country NOT ONLY do Hindus and Muslims live in the same country together but many cases in the same home. There are many Muslim men married to Hindu women and many Hindu men married to Muslim women.

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  • rehmat
    Sep 8, 2011 - 2:44PM

    @sanity:
    “Well said Mansoor Toor. Two nation theory or anything else, we want a border between racist Hindus and us.”

    Really? I wonder why Jinnah wanted East Punjab with Hindu majority and West Bengal – also with Hindu majority to be part of Pakistan? At the time of making that demand it did not occur that Hindus and Muslims are 2 nations?

    By the way, you are welcome to your boundary. Not just the Hindus of India but even Muslims of India like myself have no desire to roll back partition and merge with Pakistan.

    This however does not mean we believe in the Two Nation Theory. We can and DO live together in peace and harmony in the same country.

    But it looks like people in Karachi believe in multiple nation theory – because it seems like Sindhis, Mohajirs, Pathans and Balochs have trouble living together peacefully in the same city – let alone a separate country – eh?

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  • rehmat
    Sep 8, 2011 - 2:56PM

    @rock:
    “Thank God indian muslim rejected two nation theory. India has become peaceful because of secularism”.

    Yes my friend. We Indian Muslims too thank Allah that our elders made the right choice. The Pakistanis do not understand that secularism means tolerance. Tolerance to allow each person to pray according to their faith. Whether Shias, Sunnis or Ahmadis, Deobandis or Barelvis, all of us can pray here in peace. And we feel enriched by the culture of our fellow Indians – be they Hindus, Sikhs or Christians and do not feel the need to pretend we are Arabs.

    Incidentally as much as Pakistanis may pretend they have no South Asian identity when they are in Pakistan, the reality changes when it comes to business matters in India. If you see a restaurant or grocery that calls itself Indo-Pak, you can be sure it is Pakistani. On the other hand, all Indian resturants whether owned by a Hindu or Muslim proudly call themselves Indian. No hyphenation with Pakistan is needed.

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  • vickram
    Sep 8, 2011 - 3:22PM

    We Indians thank Jinnah every day for the Two Nation Theory. I think we should have statues of this great man in every city of India just to remind them about the lucky escape they had. (This is the reason BJP leaders in India like Jaswant Singh and Advani constantly praise Jinnah.)

    Imagine undivided India with 500 million Muslim population that derive inspiration from Arabs. India by this would have been subjected to thousands of ‘Kashmir’ type of agitations and the country would have been brutally split into 40 or 50 perpetually fighting smaller nations, like in Africa. Millions of Indians now feel, whew, what a narrow escape !

    Thanks to the Two Nation Theory, the Muslims with radical bent of mind, potential jihadis…all those people migrated to Pakistan. And Muslims with moderate outlook, those muslims who believed that they can live together with Hindus (like they have done for thousands of years) preferred to stay back.

    Now the results are there for all to see. Because Radical muslims (consumed wit the hatred of Hindustan) migrated to Pakistan, the entire society is now feeling the residue effects that philosophy of hatred and radicalization.This is not so with Indian Muslims. The reason is Two Nation Theory.

    It is said that in Pakistan the yardstick for patriotism is how much hatred he has for the evil India. This is also due to Two Nation Theory.

    As an Indian, I feel thankful to Jinnah for saving India, by taking those radical millions along with him to Pakistan. And I request present Pakistanis to continue strengthening the Two Nation Theory. This will help India become more prosperous!Recommend

  • sashi
    Sep 8, 2011 - 4:10PM

    @Grace:
    Pakistan’s raison d’être is ‘Two Nation Theory’. The very fact that millions of muslim lives in India always challenges this theory. So only when India is balkanised, the theory is proved beyond doubt. The very existence of a secular india forever challenges this theory. If india should go into 20 different entities, by the same logic pakistan would be doing the same too.Therefore learn to be tolerant, secular and peace loving. TNT was just a slogan given by some politicans to rally people behind them. Pakistan needs to get over it and try and build itself into strong nation by serving all its citizens.

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  • BruteForce
    Sep 8, 2011 - 4:11PM

    Well, if an Indian points out the flaws of the 2 nation theory, like Nehru and countless other Indians who came after him, then he is labeled naive and incorrect. When, after 65 years, a Pakistani says this then silence!

    Batting for Indian Muslims is a good thing. Batting for ONLY Indian Muslims, saying they should get their own nation, is not a good thing. That creates space for people who claim they know Islam a lot better to rule over you. That is what happened to Jinnah and Pakistan.

    Every Hindu and Muslim is a Human first. To say that they just cant live together is going against nature. Its just not true. Pakistan is a Country which was born with such a unnatural philosophy. Recommend

  • Muhammad Ahsan Khan
    Sep 8, 2011 - 4:42PM

    Excuse me to come back to this discussion.

    In my opinion the ” interesting discussion on the subject between Marvi Sirmed, a journalist and political commentator, and Zaid Hamid …” is not a subject that should have been discussed any more.

    It is true that the secular leader Mr. Jinnah used the religion of Islam through TMT to create an extra Islamic State. Once Pakistan was establised (August, 1947) this theory (TNT) automatically became “caduc” (dead). It has never been used ever since.

    Actually, we have been using only One Nation Theory. (ONT). On the basis of one religion we kept Bangladesh (East Pakistan) attached to us. We are closer to far flung Muslim States than our neighbors India and Sri Lanka non-Iaslmic States. In every sphere of our life we follow the teachings of Islam.

    First we belong to one Nation which is called Ummah and our Regional and Geographic Identity comes after.

    The ONT is an integral part of every Pakistani (non-believers included).

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  • Babloo
    Sep 8, 2011 - 5:09PM

    Pakistn foreign office may claim a noble prize for “two-nation-theory”.
    Meanwhile, India today has as many Muslims as India, Pakistan, Bangladesh put together in 1947 before partition.
    Pakistan seems to be struck with the theory and its negative implications for any democratic, secular state.

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  • Sep 8, 2011 - 5:42PM

    @AnisAqeel:
    I am sincerely impressed by the force of your argument and the analysis of TNT. Thanks.

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  • Dr Asad Sadick
    Sep 8, 2011 - 5:48PM

    The Two Nation Theory was buried the day Bangla Desh came into being, and you surely do not have to be a scholar of political science to understand that. We can, however, still talk about TNT meaning Three Nation Theory. Come of age Pakistan. Think of providing potable water, electricity and other basics to your people than indulge in highly academic excercises. Pakistan, Bangla Desh and India Zindabad!

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  • Mariam b
    Sep 8, 2011 - 5:50PM

    Religion and politics are both tools of oppression with different names

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  • Ali tanoli
    Sep 8, 2011 - 5:58PM

    @ G W
    More indians particular sikhs and gujrathi are biggest illegal entery via mexico, texas border
    recently so please dont blame us its india where people want to leave the silent discrimination.
    @ writer ;
    you are good only left in this world every body else is bad because u got chance get away
    from subcontinent mess and problems.
    @Babloo;
    We know india where every body is equal hindus brahmins dont wanna give equal rights to its own so called low caste peoples how this bunnya raj gonna give to other minority.

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  • narayana murthy
    Sep 8, 2011 - 6:22PM

    @Ammar who says “let me tell u one thing..we have seen ghandism of india in babri masjid..we have seen it in mumbai riots…”

    All this ghandism is still nothing compared to what is going on in balochistan, what is going on in Fata, what is going on in Karachi and can you even compare anything with 1971?!!!! And mind you, that this ghandism is happening in the land of the pure, where SUNNI are killing SUNNI.

    “we have seen it whn a muslim cannot perform his religious ritual i-e sacrifice of cow on eid ul adha..!”

    That should take the cake. Can you quote, which verse of Quran says that you have to sacrifice a cow on EID?!!!

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  • Cosmo
    Sep 8, 2011 - 6:25PM

    @ammar:
    Exactly my point, we don’t say World is blind, we just Pakistan has no eyes to see and heart to feel the reality!!Recommend

  • narayana murthy
    Sep 8, 2011 - 6:59PM

    @Ali Tanoli who says “We know india where every body is equal hindus brahmins dont wanna give equal rights to its own so called low caste peoples how this bunnya raj gonna give to other minority.”

    I am a Brahman. I am marrying someone, who’s caste I don’t know. I have not asked. She’s not a Brahman, that I know.

    Which era do you live in.

    I will give you a good analogy. Compare India’s today’s caste-ism to USA’s racism in the 80s. It’s dying in the cities, not dead yet completely. It is going to take some more time in the villages. But it will go away.

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  • Naveed
    Sep 8, 2011 - 7:05PM

    @almost everyone above :)

    Regardless of what we (Pakistanis) have made of our country and whether the theory has worked or not – it saddens me to see that not many understand the concept of two nation theory and I’m not sure as to why the writer of the article has played oblivious to it as well. Please let me explain the theory and you all continue with your little skirmishes.

    Kindly understand that the idea of two nations was never limited to Hindu/Muslim rituals, slaughtering of cows or other trivial matters. Qauid e Azam and Allama Iqbal’s speeches, letters and writings, along with those of several other Pakistan movement personalities clearly explain that “nations are defined and united by ideology and not geography“. In order to create an Islamic welfare state, it was necessary to have a separate country so that an integrated economic, political and social system of Islam could be experimented and/or practiced i.e. Muslim Umma, or Muslims were one nation and everyone else, the other – and let me emphasize that Muslims who didn’t believe in the idea of a separate Islamic state were among “the others” and not a part of “the Umma”. (Please dont consider this an apostasy fatwa, I’m just explaining the concept). It’s a pity that no one understands nowadays that the idea was picked up directly from Quran, resulting in a ‘migration to Madina‘ of 20th century.

    Hindu Muslim co-existence in a secular society was never a problem – our religious elite of 30s and 40s very much opposed the idea of Pakistan, based on the very concept that Muslims are allowed to perform their ‘personal rituals’ and the government will also allow ‘personal Muslim laws’ and – that’s all about Islam. They failed to see Islam as a practical social system.

    Mulla ko jo hai hind main sajday ki ijazat
    Nadan ye samajhta hai k Islam hai Azad

    Yes, we have failed to implement the theory but that doesn’t render the theory redundant or a failure.

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  • Sanjeev
    Sep 8, 2011 - 7:08PM

    The author has a simple point to make – The reason for animosity between the two countries should not exist as TNT achieved its objective (India & Pakistan).

    If people still sucumb to it, there could be more division of the country.

    The question is where would be the impact of the negative energy that generates through TNT?

    If 60 yrs history offer us some clue, Pakistan needs to be a worried lot as it has not been able to coalsec the different prism of culture in a accomodating National purview. Time is still on Pakistan side it can mend the things….and work towards its betterment.

    Hatred cant be a permanent reason to unite people, so the more hatred society generates…the more chances of the society fails and sadly Pakistan is moving through these phase.

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  • jp
    Sep 8, 2011 - 7:18PM

    Two nation theory became three nation…..And with the hard work of all lal topees & mulla brigades it is deemed to become 5 or 6 nation theory soon.

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  • Ali tanoli
    Sep 8, 2011 - 7:20PM

    @ Vikram
    Mr jaswanth singh former indian minister is respected old man and he have seen what happend in 1947 partition time and background of all those killing he is sindhi and migrated
    to rajesthan not too far from he lived with muslims in his own word how communitirs lived
    together and respect each other believes in one hand muslim dont cut cows in front of hindus and same way hindus dont eat pork so please dont say its all we are the one
    who cause this mess of partition and also he explaine very well about role of congress
    in making pakistan. mr jinnah was very indian nationalist like any other leader of india.

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  • WASHTIA
    Sep 8, 2011 - 7:41PM

    A theory essentially is not a fact but an attempt to explain and answer some vexed question. It is a tentative explanation of a reality. The veracity and validity of a theory can be ascertained and established empirically. Any theory , as philosopher Cohen tells us which can not be falsified is not a theory at all. Judging by this criteria TNT is theory and have been proved wrong. It failed to unite the Muslim of subcontinent and rather divided them in three countries. Indian secularism has proved more unifying in the sense that it found unity in diversity. Are we prepared to extend Pakistani citizenship to the Indian Muslims? TNT’s spatial limitation make it a suspect as it treats the Muslims of subcontinent a nation. By the way apart from religion it was the British colonialism that was the common factor among the Muslims of subcontinent Iran was not subjugated by British and hence outside the pale of TNT. Why Saudi Arabia is not a part Pakistan? TNT can not explain it. To sum up TNT is a fervent myth and it has nothing to do with reality. The sooner we accept it the more better off and secure we would be.

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  • swapnil
    Sep 8, 2011 - 8:02PM

    For those of you who thinks india is not safe for muslims or is worse than pakistan to live in. To those, i just want to put the words of actor feroz khan:

    *Feroz was heard saying “We have a Muslim President and Sikh Prime Minister in India, but in Pakistan Muslims kill Muslims.” He also went onto state that Indian films were so powerful that even the Pakistan government was unable to suppress them for long.*

    After this musrraf(then president of pakistan) revoked his visa.

    For those who thinks hindus and muslims can’t live together please come to chandni chowk for once and it will surely change your mind.

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  • Babloo
    Sep 8, 2011 - 8:59PM

    The biggest challenge to 2-nation theory is the 160 million Muslims living in India.
    If 2-nation theory was right, should they be living in India ?
    If 2-nation theory were right, should there be Bangladesh today ?
    If 2-nation theory was right, how come India had many ( atleast 4 Indian Muslim presidents ) and Muslims taking prominent part in national social, political and economic life ?
    However partition is a fact of history and no one, wishes to undo it. Partition may have been a blessing for India of today.

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  • Haidar
    Sep 8, 2011 - 9:13PM

    Exactly my thoughts on this subject matter. We need to have a debate as our generation is in a severe identity crisis. And we need to move on from TNT as there is nothing but disaster and fight if we continue on this path. And my religion is that of peace!
    Remember that all you critics. That given Pakisan was created in the name of Islam – it should be the nation of “peace”.

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  • Salim Baig
    Sep 8, 2011 - 9:44PM

    I think we Pakistanis should forget about TNT.We have our country though not what it was
    at the time of Partition in 1947 because East Pakistan became Bangla Desh in 1971.
    We should learn from history and take care of the remainig Pakistan. We may call our
    country an Islamic Republic but our actions are hardly in conformity with the spirit of Islam.
    We live in a country with a huge majority of muslims.
    Let us not be bogged down with history and learn to move out of the hatred mode.

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  • Babloo
    Sep 8, 2011 - 9:44PM

    Well instead of 2-nation theory, in reality there are only 2 theories about nations .

    One nation theory ( on which India is based )
    or
    Multiple (2,3,4,5,6,7,…. ) nation theory.
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  • Nasrullah Khan
    Sep 8, 2011 - 10:10PM

    I hear several readers say that muslims in India are treated badly. This is not true. I have lived in Pakistan, India and Saudia. Worst treatment is in Saudia. In India and Pakistan the treatment is the same.

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  • Subhash
    Sep 8, 2011 - 10:33PM

    @Muhammad Ahsan Khan:
    Long Live Islamic Republic!!! Even I am curious as to how long is this LONG will actually be.

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  • Grace
    Sep 8, 2011 - 11:05PM

    @swapnil: Whether Indian Muslims are happy or not in India does not matter to most Pakistanis like me. So what if India has some figure head Tamil Muslim as its president! I see Pakistan as a different nation with a different destiny. Indian Muslims destiny is linked to their fellow Indians- whether Hindu, Christian and Bhudddist. I wish them well and I don’t care if they mix in with all the other Indians. In Pakistan our destiny is our own only and is our responsibility. Half of our country has nothing to do with South Asia anyway. Yes all Muslim nations have challenges, Pakistan included but never doubt our love for our own freedom and the right to make our own destiny. I suggest those who deny the Pakistani nation her due are ignoring the rich history and uniqueness of the Pakistani nation.

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  • Ali Tanoli
    Sep 8, 2011 - 11:13PM

    @ Swapnil
    i think the big reason for seprate nation was economy stupit and muslim fear they will not
    get oppurtunites under hindu rules.

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  • Ali Tanoli
    Sep 8, 2011 - 11:42PM

    @ Babloo
    Mr Jinnah was against the migration on both side of the border.
    2;he does not want to divide punjab.
    3;he want a bangal in whole.
    4;he was asking a loose fedral sys where some seats will be reserved for muslims because we were in less margin congress opposed it.
    5;then sikhs (the sixth pray) stand up for there country and all the bloodshed start it.
    finally i believe there is still a time we can live free peace fully it happend and there is
    no way back just to tolerate each other may allah bless india pakistan bangladesh kashmir.
    amen.

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  • rehmat
    Sep 9, 2011 - 12:33AM

    @Naveed:
    In order to create an Islamic welfare state, it was necessary to have a separate country so that an integrated economic, political and social system of Islam could be experimented and/or practiced i.e. Muslim Umma, or Muslims were one nation and everyone else, the other
    @muhammad Ahsan Khan
    “Actually, we have been using only One Nation Theory. (ONT). On the basis of one religion we kept Bangladesh (East Pakistan) attached to us. We are closer to far flung Muslim States than our neighbors India and Sri Lanka non-Iaslmic States. In every sphere of our life we follow the teachings of Islam.

    First we belong to one Nation which is called Ummah and our Regional and Geographic Identity comes after.

    The ONT is an integral part of every Pakistani (non-believers included)”

    So if Muslim ummah is the teaching of Quran,
    – why is it that Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain Qatar etc. do not treat Pakistani Muslims as citizens?
    – Why is it that Iraq attacked Iran?
    – Why did Saudi Arabia want to have Iran bombed – so thatit’s nuclear capability was destroyed?
    – Why areMuslims killing each other in Karachi?

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  • Bipul Rajput
    Sep 9, 2011 - 3:11AM

    @Ali Tanoli:

    i think the big reason for seprate nation was economy stupit and muslim fear they will not
    get oppurtunites under hindu rules.

    Muslims supposedly ruled us Hindus for a 1000 years and when our turn to rule via democracy finally came, Muslims wanted to change the rules of the game !!

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  • Naveed
    Sep 9, 2011 - 7:39AM

    @Rehmat

    Thanks Rehmat for your questions. As I tried to mention in my earlier comment, we never saw the implementation of the two nation theory and the ideology at the roots of Pakistan’s existence. Similarly, it is important to understand that Saudia, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan or any other Muslim country for that matter, is not practicing Islam in its true spirit. At present, Muslims appear to be the biggest threat to Islam.
    I have to give you the example of Isreal, quite ironically, which was founded on similar ideology and has been hugely successful. Therefore, I dont agree that the two nation theory (or one nation theory as some call it) is a failure because of the current plight of Pakistan or other so called Islamic countries.
    The ideology was the most successful one when implemented by the prophet (PBUH) and his companions – in the shape of an integrated economic, social and political system of common welfare.
    Hope this clarifies.
    Best wishes,
    Naveed.

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  • Giri
    Sep 9, 2011 - 9:37AM

    @Grace-With that logic i think we can make few more pieces of pakistan. One Bangladesh getting itself liberated was not enough, now you want the baloch and others to also separate. Thats thinking much like an indian. Good one….;)

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  • Giri
    Sep 9, 2011 - 9:58AM

    @sanity : “racist hindus and us“. Mate are you sure you are not racist. Han……. Wake up and save your country before some mullah issues a fatwa that every sane man in pakistan is a blasphemy and therefore be exterminated. And then we indians will not have anybody to blame..Recommend

  • Abhi
    Sep 9, 2011 - 11:38AM

    @Naveed
    It is not just muslim remained in India who were “other” most of the native muslim of Sindh, Punjab and NWFP were also not interested in being part of so called ummah.
    Your philosophy is sounding very similar to Israel’s philosophy. Except it doesn’t have any religious basis.

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  • Mahadevan
    Sep 9, 2011 - 1:05PM

    @ammar: You are doing a good job of chronologically listing the incidents against minorities(read Muslims/Christians) in India. But Pakistan as a state is based on a theory that refuses the mere existence of other faiths. Which is worse? A nation that has sane events against minorities or a nation that denies the very existence of them?

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  • Sep 9, 2011 - 1:14PM

    @Nazim:
    Dear Sir very solidly reasoned comment. It has given me a new view. Thanks.

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  • Sep 9, 2011 - 1:23PM

    @rehmat:
    An excellent comment. It truly imbibes with grace and logic the facts as ground realities. I 200% agree and resound the views expressed.

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  • Muhammad Ahsan Khan
    Sep 9, 2011 - 8:48PM

    @Rehmat

    Dear Rehmat,

    In my ONT post I have expressed the feeling, attitude and behavior of Pakistani Muslims and not the response of Arabs or other Muslims towards the Muslims of Pakistan. The fact is that because of Islam we have a slave mentality towards any Arab.

    Why a Pakistani Muslim (PM) goes to Saudi Arabia (Mecca) where he is mistreated?

    Why a PM brings something as a sacred gift whereas an Arab spits on the soil of Pakistan?

    Why a PM considers that an Arab water (zamzam) is more sacred than the water of any Pakistani river.

    Why a PM gives his under age girl (a child) to any Arab Al-Quaida member.

    The answer to these question is:

    “Because of slave (ONT) mentality of the people of Pakistan.”

    This is also the answer to your questions.

    The present situation of Pakistan will continue and will become even worse because of the use of ONT in the system of the government.Recommend

  • sahib
    Sep 10, 2011 - 5:06AM

    well, stop living in 1940s/50s. TNT, divide & rule are all mean strategies to solve something the way you want. normal persons dont get anything out of fights/ wars due to religion, Politicians, so called leaders, hifi military officers do gain out of it.

    we have so much poverty, unemployment, sick people, education problems etc.why dont we focus on these things? i would be happier working on these issues rather than going to mosque/temple or chruch.

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  • FactCheck
    Sep 10, 2011 - 3:50PM

    @Grace:

    and you claim to know history? How sad? From where did you learn that the British was the one’s that united India, a Pakistani text? A British version of Indian history. Suppose you believe you are Arab heritage and heriditary and the Mughals were Arabs.

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  • FactCheck
    Sep 10, 2011 - 3:57PM

    @Feroz:
    @Grace:

    and you claim to know history? How sad? From where did you learn that the British was the one’s that united India, a Pakistani text? A British version of Indian history. Suppose you believe you are Arab heritage and heriditary and the Mughals were Arabs.

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  • FactCheck
    Sep 10, 2011 - 3:58PM

    @Feroz:

    Time has already told. Look around, listen and watch.

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  • observer
    Sep 10, 2011 - 4:41PM

    @Ali Tanoli

    Mr Jinnah was against the migration on both side of the border.
    2;he does not want to divide punjab.
    3;he want a bangal in whole.

    OK,so Mr Jinnah wanted the whole of Punjab and Bengal. And Mr Jinnah wanted all of India to lord over.
    Sadly, it was not in the hands of his benefactors, the British, to give.

    finally i believe there is still a time we can live free peace fully

    So, who or what is stopping you.

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  • Kallu Mama
    Sep 10, 2011 - 5:58PM

    @ammar:

    Hi Ammar you are asking a question

    “If india is so secular or so good to muslims why muslims of kashmir are still suffring??”

    In the same vien please also tell me “If Pakistan is so islamic or so good to muslims why muslims are being killed by muslims say Ahmadi, Shias, Hazaras, Balochs, the earstwhile bengali muslims?? “

    I think my quesion replies your orignal question ; you are your worst enemy or in other words the enemy is within, please dont blame India for your woes

    The writer very aptly gave allegory of “midwife and scaffolding” which now is not needed, the edifice called Pakistan is standing tall, please dont weaken by still keeping the scaffolding around it.

    India certainly acknowledges status of Pakistan and wish you a peaceful coexistence.

    Please do not doubt your own existence , it is hillarious and at same time sad that Pakistan is still debating its birth, its ideology even after 65 years, please get over it , and start looking at your real problems which like us Indians are same ( poverty, lack of opportunity, jobs etc),

    Our PM has time and again said we want a Paistan which is sure of itself and which is at peace with itself

    Thanks and best of Luck

    Kallu Mama
    Hy’bad, india

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  • malik
    Sep 10, 2011 - 7:07PM

    @Ali Tanoli:

    you say the reason for partition for muslims feared not getting opportunities under hindu rule.

    If you go to a mosque, you don’t know for sure if you will be back. Ask karachi residents, they don’t know if they will be back, or only their body bags will return. Ask a Christian or a lowly hindu, whether he gets opportunities at all. Ask him if they are happy with our Blasphemy law which treats all as equal.

    Hope you are happy with the opportunities we get these under muslim rule ! Equal opportunities to get killed in the road !

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  • islooboy
    Sep 26, 2011 - 9:20AM

    any body visited muzafarabad lately be sure to visit ambore

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