Today all you need is a pair of eyes and ears. Listen to the lecture the Chinese have just given to Uncle Sam, every word of which is worth weighing carefully. Here are some of my favourite lines from the official comment published in Chinese state controlled media: “China, the largest creditor of the world’s sole superpower, has every right now to demand the US to address its structural debt problems and ensure the safety of China’s dollar assets”. And also this: “To cure its addiction to debts, the US needs to re-establish the common sense principle that one should live within its means”.
After lecturing the superpower to “live within its means,” the commentary goes on to touch two hot buttons. In one line it says that “international supervision over the issue of US dollars should be introduced…” and in another line, it calls for “substantial cuts… to the US gigantic military expenditure and bloated social welfare costs”. This may be the first time the Chinese finger has wagged so clearly and publicly at the superpower, but it’s not the first time these themes have been touched on by the Chinese government. In 2009, for instance, China’s central bank governor called for creating a new reserve currency to replace the dollar. Days later, the Chinese government began a push for far-reaching monetary reforms at a G20 summit in London, with western governments struggling to reckon with the depths of their economic crisis as the backdrop. To get an idea of how far things have come between the US and their Chinese creditors, recall that in the 1990s it was an annual ritual for the Clinton administration to first issue a certification that China was not engaging in human rights violations before renewing America’s most-favoured-nation trade status with the emerging Asian powerhouse. In 1994, Clinton formally dropped the linkage between human rights and trade, arguing that America’s relationship with China was far bigger than “just human rights”, and trade issues would not be subordinated to other issues. With the turn of the century, the next big issue that American politicians picked with the Chinese was the value of the yuan, the Chinese currency, that many American leaders argue has been kept artificially undervalued to promote Chinese products in global markets. By some estimates presented last year, China was spending more than a billion dollars a day to keep its currency from appreciating, thereby ensuring that its products would be the cheapest in the world.
For many years, American leaders tried to make this an issue between the governments of the two countries. The International Monetary Fund has stated as recently as a month ago that the Chinese yuan “remains substantially undervalued” and the US government continued its pressure to get China to allow the yuan to rise as late as January of 2011. But then they folded their hand as the Treasury department released a report saying categorically that China was not a “currency manipulator”. In every stand-off with the Chinese government, America has ultimately folded its hand. Eyes and ears are all you need now to know that the economic strength of the world’s sole superpower has withered before its eyes. For over two decades now, the US has urged other countries to trim wasteful expenditures, to limit government commitments in light of fiscal reality, to be more responsible in running up debt to pay for runaway spending. Today, its largest creditor is telling the US that the time has come for America to heed its own advice. In other words, America needs to undergo the kind of structural adjustment that it has crafted for the rest of the world, that it hoisted upon Russia in the 1990s, Latin America in the 1980s, East Asia following the financial crisis of 1997. Its time for America to swallow some of its own medicine, and discover the awful taste of choosing between what commitments to retain and which ones to dump.
Published in The Express Tribune, August 11th, 2011.
COMMENTS (46)
Comments are moderated and generally will be posted if they are on-topic and not abusive.
For more information, please see our Comments FAQ
I don't see how a "crash" of the US economy should be such a source of excitement and cheer to some people here. We are all inter-connected through trade, capital and labor flows. Pakistan is not India which is still relatively closed and has a very high domestic savings rate. We have an open economy with a narrow production base and which is vulnerable to turmoil and shocks from external exogenous forces. There are no grounds for rejoicing.
Even a "hard-lading" in China caused by over-investment (I think the investment ratio is something like 50% of GDP) would have cascading negative effects on us.
So, put away your biases and pray that the global economy passes through this period of turbulence and does not hit another severe down-draft as in 2008.
i agree with the guy who said china will be the economic sultan and US will still remain an economic power. why we guys of subcontinent clapping on US and china? where is subcontinent itself? we are worst than what we were.
Fact is US economy is much bigger than Chinese. The only near equivalent to that economy at present is the combined European economy. The point is even if the Emperor(US) has no clothes, he can afford to roam the world without it. the General (China) has to salute him. It may give suggestions, but the ultimate decision is with the emperor. Lets say, hypothetically, the US economy crashes, what are its consequences. 1. Can the chinese economy, which is export oriented, survive? In 2008 the companies there had to layout many workers leading to unrest. Plus what would it do of trillions of dollares worth of treasury bonds? They won't be worth anything at all. 2. The Euro will fare worse than dollar. Look at tier -2 eurozone economies - Spain. Italy and Greece. Their cost of borrowing will skyrocket. 3. This kind of econmic chaos has but one result, social chaos - leading to world war III. And you can imagine the consequences. I think the world should make an effort that such a thing does not happen. It may please us in thee short run to see US down, but in the midium run its catastropic. And US knows this and is using this to hilt. In long run nations (specially developing ones) should slowly phase out dollar trade and trade amongnest themselves in localised currency so that in future such a situation does not arise.
The British say their Empire is temporarily misplaced. The propaganda machine will keep telling the worl that it is still around. The US will never accept that its economic decline has reduced its influence in the world. They will argue anyone to death proving they are superior beyond imagination. It is pointless to tell them otherwise.
I think a dose of realism is severely needed. Read this... China's stagflation
Mr Mirza,I just penned ,to defend you,you are no economic expert,but you have more accum than who have penned than Vinneet orWasilArains.Pl, peple talk from rear,how is 3.5 t will overtake 14.1t in 9 years from 2011 t0 2020?How $3500 will over come $44000,how the Chinese for that matter Indians going to feed 1.5 Billion and 1.25 billion?hungry mouth?Vineet though made 3t to 1t,yet he very well brought forth the strength of USA 's other salient point.You in few word showed why every one is buying such low yeild bonds including Chinese and Japanese,there is no other parallel strong ecnomy anywhere else,it does not mean we have no problem,we have serious problems,but we have the latent resources and will to handle and tackle it,we always did after some blundering and missteps,as I had earlier said in the immortal words of Mark Twain',the news of America demise is greatly exaggerated.You heard it here first,talk to me in 2016.
Dear Khurram Hussain Saheb.I'm no appologist for American reckless spending,I write on finacial matter,under tradersutra.com.if you have time read it,no compulsion.I'm not going to discuss the merit or demerit of Chinese concerns.I have varied intrest,the most avid one is history and power wielding by current and begone days powers.There 3 vital ingredient to super power status,ecnomic,territorial and adequate population.No nation in past or present have that except USA.The final chip for to complete the puzzle is military muscles and willingness to use it.Wars are nothing but the last resort to task, which can not be tackled by any other means.The Chinese and USA are so intertwined now ,it will be impossible for Chinese to undermine USa in a serious way,which will threaten USa 's vital national Intrest',without provoking response from USa,all remedies Chinese have very carefully put worth and you have articulated,is well known to the planners in USa both civilian and miltary,they have contigent plan for each and every one.Chinese know them well.I won't spell them.No country in forseable future will be in postion to go or fight a all out war with USA,where no one takes prisoner,give no quarter and ask for none.I am neither taking Chinese concern lightly nor wants Chinese to put USA in a untenable proverbial 'over the barrel'.It is very serious what we are all facing right now,all over the world.We all have to walk carefully and gingerly,no room for miscalculation.
@TANOLI: " .... Its getting harder to save Titanic. .... "
I know you do not want to know it, but China is another Titanic.
@Vineet: Your feedback is appreciated. Yes I've seen Greenspans comments, and a few days ago, I heard Henry Paulson, fmr Treasury Sec, say the same thing, that the US is fine, the problem is coming from Europe. I think these guys are trying to put a positive spin on things more than floating a serious analysis. The problems that America is dealing with are decades in the making, long running structural deficits in its external trade and fiscal accounts that are finally catching up with them. That's my view and I could write and cite extensively on it. Its also true that America could print its way out of debt, rendering the massive dollar denominated reserves held by central banks across East Asia worthless. But would this restore America's status as the worlds largest economic power? I don't think so. Quite the contrary in fact. In the short term, yes it would erase the debt, hurt the creditors. But it would be the final liquidation of America's credibility as an economic power, and it would create global uncertainty on a massive scale. The countries of East Asia, led by China, would be better poised to recover from this catastrophe than America and Europe, after all they've been through it once before haven't they, a financial crisis that saw their reserves wiped out?
Its getting harder to save Titanic.
India and Pakistan can learn from China and use local economies to grow the national economy.The Chinese use the SEA form of integrated governance, which allows for larger geographic areas. India and Pakistan (LG system) have French variant (Panchayat rural system that due to no ag taxes and no nonfarm based economy, Kolkata system only for urban areas-which also is not structured properly and failed to deliver results like China's.that allows for inclusion of smaller areas (up to county (District/Zila level). But, systems are part of same type of governance form -like different branches of one tree! See: http://cinaportblog.com/facts-you-may-not-know-about-china 5 things you may not know about China See report (which doesn't discuss local structure;but, does discuss economic dynamism): http://219.219.191.244:1980/upload/jinrong/201012/HSBC.pdf
@Sajida: and your point is .... ?
@Saijda Agree. Callcenters se superpowers nahi bantie..
@Vicram Singh "whatever India “makes” by way of out-sourced work is ploughed back into the US economy in some form or the other." Maybe, but not in productive manner. It doesn't trickle down, which is why private debt ballooned. http://www.vanguard.com/boglesite/sp20030611.html Owners Capitalism vs. Managers Capitalism http://www.vanguard.com/boglesite/sp20060208.htm The Battle for the Soul of Capitalism There is another interesting point that was made by an IT specialist in article published in US:i.e.: for jobs lost because of use of IT, US has not made ups with other jobs. India needs to broaden economy. Consider also India is facing ongoing rural failure and needs to provide more nonfarm based jobs. https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wakeupcall.org%2Four_goal%2Ftiumnk-english.pdf The India you may not know
@ KH I apologize for any nit-picking personal or otherwise that offended you but I would rather you take it as healthy criticism. Your article makes it look like China can dictate/influence US to make policy changes due to its leverage of being "largest creditor of the world’s sole superpower" (which you say is your favorite line) What strikes me is that this is not a leverage but a curse that China has brought upon itself (by being extremely greedy and keeping Rmb artificially undervalued for too long) and US will now laugh its way out of debt by simply printing $ and there is nothing anyone can do about it.I am sure you already know what Greenspan just said http://www.cnbc.com/id/44051683/ Moreover lots of countries will support US in this money printing scam (our own PM MMS supported US qualitative easing in last G20 leaving China is fumes and Indians like me perplexed, I mean even we have $T bills as reserve). West on the other hand doesn't need forex reserves as they have a fully convertible currency. Same for Yen. Its us the developing world that will be the sucker here. But the way it looks, China will take the hardest hit. And this is all I have been trying to say all this time. Regards
Here is a simple lesson in economics for all the US haters. China owns US paper which is payable in US Dollars. If china makes to much noise, the US federal reserve will just print more paper dollars and pay the chinese in lieu of the US papers they are holding! Get it! Sure, it will be inflationary for US and bring the value of dollars down, but guess what? The chinese paper wont be worth much either! Also, chinese economy depends largely on export to US/West. The chinese cant do jack!
@ every one
dont turn a a discussion into India vs Pakistan.
@Aqib: Good point. The Yuan is the key here, probably the last frontier in "China's opening to the outside world." Yuan convertibility is a matter of time, but how the Chinese govt goes about it will be important, eg the creation of Yuan pools in places like Singapore thru swaps is part of this process, a sophisticated, measured, deliberate process of opening up the currency. Ultimately allowing the currency to appreciate, and creating markets for the disposal of the output is key to sustaining their growth rates, and we'll see how they go about that task.
@Vineet: there's no need for the personal invective. Believe me I understand how crucial it is for China to maintain dollar stability considering their reserves are held in $$$. This is the main reason why they've weighed in so heavily after the downgrade, and their statement says so, doesn't it? Read the line I call "my favorite" in the piece above: "China, the largest creditor of the world’s sole superpower, has every right now to demand the US to address its structural debt problems and ensure the safety of China’s dollar assets”. Get it? Listen carefully! "...largest creditor of the world's sole superpower....safety of China's dollar assets." What you've said so pungently in your comment is not news to anybody, its right there in the Chinese statement, and my article too. So what's the fuss all about?
But are not the chinese caught between rock and hard place? They invested over 3 trillion in US debt instrument and now they cannot wriggle out. Now its upto the US central bank to take a call. Chinese can only watch from the sidelines. They cannot dump the bonds nor can they afford to see dollar weaken. Poor guys. US has them on the mat.
@shany: But who would buy that debt? Would you buy a piece of paper which has no value? Indeed common sense is not so common dear.
@shany are you trying to say china can convert all $ 1 trillion to euro and get the same value? Remember the small logic of demand and supply, if china starts dumpng USD it will bring the value of USD down and if it sarts buying Euro that will make Euro up. 1 trillion is lots of money dude. No body can predict how things will comeout. China is going to be major economy (actually it already is second largest economy) of the world and US will remain one of the major economic power along with european union. Main point is where will be we (people of sucontinent)
@indians i do not think so call centers make a nation, a super power.
@john your share of exporting talent and hardwork is less than of pak. it is not 1:8 ratio. india is the hub of corruption and match fixing. terrorism on mosques are by india. get a medicine
@Saqib
India's outsourcing industry contributes less than 5% to Indian GDP. India's spectacular growth is because of so many other industries. It's only that the IT sector often gets media attention.
This has to be the best article i have read in recent times. check it out..
http://www.theonion.com/articles/china-agrees-to-erase-portion-of-us-debt-if-americ,20913/
Good article Khurram.
My 2 cents worth ... China can't effectively challenge the US to get its house in order unless it is willing to step up itself. That would mean above all, stimulating its domestic demand via appreciation of its currency.
I don't think its ready to do that .... yet. So right now, its all bark and no bite.
@saqib..
Atleast we export our talents, hard work and not terrorism...:).. get a life mate..
@all @vaneet especially: if $US values goes down, China anytime can change the value equivalent to Euros or Yuan in near future in any treaty, by some treaty-of-dollor bla bla. If you Indians were so intelligent then why do not you overtake China? Its a common sense of every business.
@Saqib: " ... @Vicram Singh: India’s so-called prosperity is based on the outsourced IT and related work from the USA. If US goes down, India will follow. "
I agree partially with what you have said. All of the outsourced IT work can not be taken back - for the simple reason that the US does not have the man-power to deploy on IT related work. And if the US has to recover, it has to export its way out. Without out-sourcing, US products will not be competitive. And whatever India "makes" by way of out-sourced work is ploughed back into the US economy in some form or the other.
So, even if the US were to "go down", India would still remain a partner. And the last thing we want to do is lecture at this time.
But what I also see happening is both the Chinese and Indian currencies becoming increasingly acceptable along with the US Dollar in Asian markets. Countries such as UAE, Saudi Arabia and Iran will begin accepting Rupee payments in exchange for manufactured goods, processed petroleum products, etc. Additionally, because of rising costs - the Japanese want to move production lines out of Japan and China into India.
@Wasil Arain Thanks for being honest with your opinion. Chinese Forex reserve today is $3.2T and US T bills owned by chinese central bank worth1.2T-1.3T. Chinese gold reserve will be worth less than$100B. So where is the rest I leave it to you to find. (hint: check the sovereign wealth funds portfolios for start) Moreover, let sanity prevail and we both will except that even if its just $1.2T its still equally incredulous and risky. (actually I cant believe you chose to focus on the number rather than focusing on what the number implies)
Your argument on T bills being preferred even after the downgrade is like the one I hear about resilience of we Mumbaikar's after every terrorist attack when we move on with our lives. Question is do we have any other choice?? moreover only one out of 3 rating agencies has done the downgrade till now. Please have a look at Chinese rating agency Dagong and how they rate the US debt and you will be surprised.
Apart form everything else you wrote, China will be the topmost economic power by 2020 surpasssing USA, I am not that confident but even if that does not happen there is no doubt that China will be close. China will have to move on from export oriented economy and focus on meaningful domestic spending (not over expansive high speed rail or ghost infrastructure which will never be sold at current prices). Whatever it is my previous reply was not out of hate (lol at your bigotry comment) as you see it but rather trying to call spade a spade and not shout from rooftops about "downfall of US" and "obvious rise of China" as you and the author makes which is quite incorrect an opinion from my point of view.
And yes objectivity is good when backed by facts, objectivity created out of thin air to suit our opinion is worth less than my doodhwala's chappal.
Regards
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/must-read-ubs-andy-lees-why-us-economy-doomed-if-nothing-changes Must Read: UBS' Andy Lees On Why The US Economy Is, All Else Equal, Doomed
@Vicram Singh: India's so-called prosperity is based on the outsourced IT and related work from the USA. If US goes down, India will follow.
China is a master in posturing but decides foreign policies based on its economic interests. This is the same reason that China wants to maintain a cordial relationship with India, a large trading partner. China and America are in a deathly embrace with China loaning money to the Americans who in turn continue to buy Chinese goods. If the dollar sinks so do the Chinese who own over $ 3 trillion of American dollar assets. If exports dry up due to economic turmoil in developed markets China will have to cosy up to other large emerging countries like India, Indonesia, Russia and Brazil where growth is strong. There is nothing China can give Pakistan except verbal platitudes, which it is generous with. Pakistan understands it is facing isolation but the foreign trips of its rulers is yielding anything but Cash. Chinese cannot afford a stagnant economy as it will result in social upheaval opening up a pandora's box.
Keep dreaming! In today’s and yesterday’s treasury auction, all US securities have been sold at the record low interest. That means the world including Chinese still think that the US is the safest place in the world to keep their money, even though the return is so low that it is less than the inflation rate. That means the Chinese and Japanese are giving their money to the US only for safekeeping and not for interest. I am no expert on economics but name a country who can sell their debt at such a low rate? The sheer poverty and backwardness in China would take at least half a century to come close to the European standards let alone the US. Compare the per capita income of the US and China and see the difference!
@Vineet, From where have you got this figure of 3 T American treasury bond being held by China. As reported by media day in and day out it is around 1 T only. The bulk of the bonds is held domestically by Social Security administration etc. Do you know that even after the down grading to AA+ from AAA the bonds market has gained as money from other investments is being diverted to this.
Please temper your dislike for China and come around to accept that China is going to be topmost economic power by 2020 surpasssing USA, while India will be going ahead in a far away position. Cast off the bitterness of the past and wish the ecnomic giant of Asia well. As an Asian have good feelings as India also needs China for the rapid ecnomic development,
The world is forging ahead, these ups and downs are trivial as the atmosphere of co-operation is improving day by day and the time when bigottery will be replaced by objectivety is just around the corner.
A desperate wish but not coming true soon :-)
Dear author, instead of copy pasting some technical terms from Wikipedia, please just think about what is going on for a minute. China has $3T worth of US debt. The moment rating changed from AAA to AA+, value of US debt was reduced and $3T of debt that US owes to China was magically worth significantly less. Another round of qualitative easing by US Fed and $ value will crash and the high sounding $3T of China will be worthless as no one (except may be taller than mountain friend if it can) will buy US debt anymore and there will be no way for Chinese to sell it. Qualitative easing will cause inflation in US which means difficult times for US citizens so buying Chinese goods on credit will end. Moreover if Chinese try to trade in RMB (to stop the extra surplus from piling up) they need to make Rmb free and that means end of era of undervalued currency advantage for Chinese exports (not that world will agree to trade in Rmb, only Iran agreed till now, that too basically due to $ sanctions by US).
This will be a Triple shock for China as its 3T surplus wiped off due to $ inflation, to end $ control on its trade China will have to free RMB which will lead to high export costs and further low demand for its exports, and finally low demand for Chinese junk as $ value plummets due to excessive printing of $ by Fed in the name of qualitative easing.
Also I am not the one for schadenfreude but if Real state bubble collapses in China anytime soon (which it will as soon local provinces will start defaulting to local banks in China as no one is buying housing in all those tall apartments in many of the Chinese ghost cities) as the Chinese say ... may we live to see those interesting times.
Vineet
the jewish community wont let go US anywhere + the number of billioanire's? cannot they give 25% of their money to homeland? i have listened americans love their country v mch
America with 300 million population has five time more GDP than China with one and a half billion population. If America reduces its imports it will china be impacted most adversely. It does not mean that America has no problems, but it has self. correcting tools built in within the system. China is rightly worried being the top byersof American treasury bonds, but very well aware of the strengts American system. It is not going any where else knowing that this is the safest place to keep its extra funds. The global economy already linked is intertwining day by day and a customer who keeps deposit in an instution must be wary, keeping on eye on it and give it a piece of mind whenever required.
US debt problem is a bigger problem for China than it is for US. Author should consider taking a basic course in economy and his bearings right.
This is not an argument favoring Americans living beyond their means, they should try to put their house in order.
If the dollar loses value, the so called Chinese surplus could be wiped out in matter of days in terms of value. The other challenge for countries like China is that there are no other viable alternatives to US dollars - there are candidates like Yen, Euros but each currency has its own problem and in the end the choice is about lesser of all the evils, which in this case is US dollar!
So much for dragon talks!
The US is beyond repair. Its decline is not on a glide path but in a free fall. Its leaders are a refelction of the electorate. The people cannot and do not want to make compromises on entiitlement spending of which they are ALL the beneficiaries - rich and poor alike. These entitlements are legal obligations - that fact alone besides the politics, makes it impossible to make the required cuts. Taxes will go up and the size of the DOD will be reduced. But it will not make any difference. Unless entitlements are cut or eliminated, the US will march into the sunset at a faster rate than its people, friends and enemies are willing to acknowledge.
What this means is that there are vast opportunities for new players to assert themselves locally and globally both militarily and politically. The US will be reduced to defending its core interests only. We will never see another assertion of its will like in Iraq. Turkey, Iran and Pakistan will challenge it more and more. A lot of life, still left in the Eagle, but its wings are heavy with debt, its claws badly mauled and its mind sown with doubt. The new beckons us - what role will we play?
" ... Here are some of my favourite lines from the official comment published in Chinese state controlled media: “China, the largest creditor of the world’s sole superpower, has every right now to demand the US to address its structural debt problems and ensure the safety of China’s dollar assets”. And also this: “To cure its addiction to debts, the US needs to re-establish the common sense principle that one should live within its means”. ... "
Personal opinion - the Chinese have built up their prosperity and trade-balance based ON Americans living beyond their means. It is a bit pretentious to lecture the Americans on fiscal responsibility - and still depend on exports to the US.
Confucius say - "too much favorable trade balance impoverish buyer".