Ahmadis in Karachi: Pulpit pounding, barricades, prayers but no peace

Published: June 19, 2011
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The minority has been under constant attack even though it keeps a low profile. DESIGN: SAMAD SIDDIQUI

The minority has been under constant attack even though it keeps a low profile. DESIGN: SAMAD SIDDIQUI

KARACHI: 

On a Friday afternoon, there is pin-drop silence around the Ahmadi place of worship in Karachi’s Drigh Road area. Worshippers quietly enter through a side door, watched over by a number of men on patrol and security cameras affixed to the building.

Just down the lane, the imam of Bilal Masjid peppers his sermon with anti-Ahmadi remarks. The strains of his sermon can be heard throughout the neighbourhood, including the men standing guard outside their place of worship.

Friday prayers are under way in both buildings, but only one congregation is allowed to practice its faith openly.

At the crossroads of the mosque and the place of worship is a marker for the ‘Khatm-e-Nabuwwat’ roundabout, a silent but potent public reminder of the power of the religio-political party in Pakistan. “There was a rally here a few months ago,” recalls a resident. “About 2,000 people attended and it was organised by the Tahaffuz Namoos-e-Risalat movement. They reaffirmed their faith in the finality of the Prophethood (peace be upon him), and then decided to rename this roundabout as a memento of the rally. After all, we are all Muslims, this is our faith.”

Sunni Tehreek (ST) flags flutter in the area, whose walls are covered with grafitti, declaring the area to be Sunni Nagar. “These clerics, Sunni Tehreek… they’re all one and the same,” remarks a shopkeeper who has worked near the Ahmadi place of worship for 25 years. He has witnessed the area’s clerics raging against the Ahmadiyya community for placing barricades near their place of worship. There have been incidents of firing in the area as well. Thoughtfully, he says, “The problem is that Muslims have increasingly become intolerant.”

A poster for a June 2 Tahaffuz Namoos-e-Risalat conference is still plastered to the wall of the Ahmadis’ building. A few months ago, activists reportedly barged in and demanded that the Kalima, a verse declaring Muslim faith, be erased from a wall within the place of worship’s premises.

“This centre has been here since before you or I were born,” says the shopkeeper. Another resident said it was at least 40 years old.

Attendance at prayers at Ahmadi places of worship in Karachi has slowly picked up after the 2010 Lahore attacks. “We have stopped women and children from coming to the centres because we fear that they will be targeted first, similar to the Lahore attacks,” says Masood Khan, a senior representative of the Ahmadiyya community. “Praying is also difficult and it gets quite suffocating – we have to close all the windows and doors so that no sound can be heard outside.”

Outside is where a mob — literally and physically —exists. Just like the cleric at Bilal Masjid, mosque speakerphones are regularly used to incite hatred.

While Punjab has been the breeding ground for anti-Ahmadi sentiment, the minority in Sindh faces targeted assassinations, discrimination and blasphemy cases filed on flimsy charges. Reviled due to a decades-old campaign, Ahmadis have nowhere to turn to, not even the state. A lieutenant, who was awarded the Sword of Honour, was forced to leave the navy because his faith meant he would never be promoted. A woman was widowed twice because her husbands were practicing doctors. Flyers are openly distributed, asking people to boycott Ahmadi-run businesses and execute their owners.

“We have brought these incidents … to the police’s notice so many times,” says Khan. “But they do nothing beyond occasionally sending a policeman or two.”

The police also have their own biases. Khan recalls that two officers refused to drink water offered to them by Ahmadis. “The Central Investigation Department has several men in its custody who confessed that they wanted to target Ahmadis and Shias. But they have never been presented in court.”

Even then, Khan says, the police in Karachi are better than those in the Punjab. Khan praises former Sindh home minister Zulfiqar Mirza for proactively listening to their problems. “The police will at least send someone. The security apparatus was concerned after the attacks in Lahore and we discussed measures. But we asked for Rangers to be deployed on Fridays and that has not happened.”

After a lifetime spent in fear, Ahmadis in Karachi who can afford to relocate are packing up their bags. At least 300 to 400 people have reportedly left. The Ahmadiyya community in Karachi is at least 20,000 strong.

Others hail from rural Sindh, especially Sanghar. This district has seen numerous cases of violence and Section 295-C cases (which carries the death penalty) filed by a cleric, Maulana Hamadi. “[He] sits in Sanghar and files cases against people sitting miles away in Rabwah!” exclaims Qaiser Shahzad, a Karachi-based businessman.

In Karachi, Ahmadis living in Mehmoodabad have been gunned down in the past decade, with up to six cases in the last three years alone. One of them included a doctor who chose to work in the poor area. He was killed as he stopped at a speed breaker on his way home. Twenty-five families from Manzoor Colony have emigrated.

“We don’t tell our children that they will face discrimination. We don’t want to poison their minds at a young age,” Khan says. “But at school they are inevitably discriminated against. Our girls come back home and say they don’t want to go to college.”

Ahmadi families prefer sending their children to schools run by Parsis and Christians – also minorities. According to Shahzad, admissions are a no-go once school realise what the family’s faith is.

Intolerance has spread to other areas as well. In Badin, an Ahmadi centre was targeted during an event for women. Incited by a cleric, men besieged the centre for eight hours. It took Zulfiqar Mirza (who was elected as an MPA from Badin) to clamp down. In January, a leaflet threatening an Ahmadi businessman was circulated in Goth Saban Dasti in Badin, which stated: “Such an apostate should be killed and his business should be banned all over Pakistan. We demand that the government of Pakistan take immediate action, otherwise the people will have to do this job on their own.”

Karachi’s business community, according to Khan and Shahzad, is generally accepting of Ahmadis, especially those whose operations have been established for decades. However, Shahzad says in a resigned tone, “You can tell the difference in the way they meet us. They work with us because they have to.”

Discrimination has also swept the armed forces and civil bureaucracy. “From Chaudhry Zafarullah to high-ranking generals, Ahmadis were always represented in the top ranks. But now we barely have a few people at top positions in the civil bureaucracy. In Ziaul Haq’s era, this [discrimination] was implemented — there are no promotions. Ahmadis don’t even clear interviews for government or military jobs now, despite being highly qualified.”

Discrimination, Khan says, is also found among old friends. “I know that they don’t want to dine with me.”

“Look, people believe that we are wajibul qatl [liable to be killed]. This thought is reflected in our assemblies.”

Anti-Ahmadi sentiment and extremism, the men said, has increased in society over the past few years. Laws pertaining to Ahmadis — particularly those introduced in the 1980s — have provided legal backing to the hate being propagated in society. Anti-Ahmadi graffiti routinely appears near places of worship, and the gate of one building was fired on recently in Steel Town. Yet, Khan and Shahzad say, they have learned to live with the ever-present fear. “We are sitting openly,” says Khan. “But someone has to come forward on behalf of the community. We don’t consider ourselves minorities. We are Pakistanis. This is our country.”

Legal exclusion

In 1952, religious parties demanded the removal of Pakistan’s first foreign minister, Sir Chaudhry Zafarullah Khan, who was an Ahmadi. In 1974, after violent demonstrations took place, Jamaat-e-Islami factions demanded that Ahmadis be declared non-Muslims. A constitutional amendment was passed to exclude Ahmadis from Islam. In 1984, amendments were made to ban the usage of Islamic symbols and practices for Ahmadis, such as calling their places of worship a mosque.

Source: International Crisis Group report: ‘The State of Sectarianism in Pakistan’, Jinnah Institute report: ‘A Question of Faith’

A profile

The Sunni Tehreek is a religio-political party that follows the Barelvi school of thought. It has actively campaigned against any amendments to or repeal of the country’s blasphemy laws. ST activists protested against Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer prior to his assassination on June 4 and have supported his assassin Malik Mumtaz Hussain Qadri.

Published in The Express Tribune, June 19th, 2011.

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Reader Comments (147)

  • Jun 19, 2011 - 4:20AM

    THNX JAZAKALLAH tribune :) Recommend

  • Jun 19, 2011 - 4:21AM

    thnx tribune :)Recommend

  • AnisAqeel
    Jun 19, 2011 - 4:47AM

    And we preach Islam is a religion of peace but our deeds are barbarian.Recommend

  • Talha
    Jun 19, 2011 - 4:55AM

    The following is from Khaled Ahmed’s article “Who Killed Shahzad Saleem?”

    Later al Qaeda decided that to refill its empty coffers it will abduct only non-Muslims, in particular, Ahmadis’ (p.95).

    I believe its time for minorities to leave this country, things will only get worse from here and onwards.Recommend

  • Talha
    Jun 19, 2011 - 5:03AM

    I remember the tolerant times when Ahmadi’s could pray in the streets too and there wouldn’t be any problems.

    Intolerance and hate sure has increased many fold here.Recommend

  • Humanity
    Jun 19, 2011 - 6:28AM

    Just look around and smell the blood and gore caused by an ideology of hate. Do not expect peace and love to sprout from the seeds of intolerance and hate.

    Shame on JI and its ilks. The destroyers of Pakistan and a curse in the name of religion.Recommend

  • Jun 19, 2011 - 8:41AM

    This is like reading about the early Muslims in Mecca. Salute to Ahmadis in Pakistan who are following the footsteps of the companions of Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) and facing the same persecution. Recommend

  • amjad
    Jun 19, 2011 - 8:45AM

    Extremism and intolerance is now ingrained in Pakistani culture. Religious minorities may have to look at other options for a better future for themselves and their kidsRecommend

  • Ahmad M. Qamar
    Jun 19, 2011 - 9:02AM

    I have only one question: Is prophethood a Divine blessing or curse? A blessing definitely. Then why should someone be so intolerant towards it? Secondly, if the majority of Pakistanis cannot accept Ahmadiyya belief, they certainly are not bound to do so. Neither do Ahmadis force anyone to accept their faith. Hence, so long as Ahmadis are peaceful citizens, they have every right to live in this country with all the civil liberties granted to them by the law. I hope the so- called Muslims of this country have not forgotten the peace accords that the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, signed with the non- Muslim residents of Medina. Not a single non- Muslim was persecuted or killed for their faith. Such tragedies took place only when they were responsible for breaching the agreements and inflicting ruthless cruelties upon the Muslims. No Ahmadi in Pakistan has ever been reported to have been involved in any kind of religious violence against his neighbours. An eye- opener for those who are not biased. Recommend

  • Babar
    Jun 19, 2011 - 9:11AM

    SpeechlessRecommend

  • G.Haider
    Jun 19, 2011 - 10:19AM

    Religious intolerance and extremism has ruptured the very fabric of Pakistani Society.It is unfortunate that a very dynamic and enterprising segment of Pakistani society has been thrown into social de-communication.God bless my country(ameen). Recommend

  • Khalid Rahim
    Jun 19, 2011 - 11:26AM

    If we believe in one God whom we call Allah then we must respect His creations. Otherwise
    we all have our own ”gods” and look down upon each other’s god and creation. Our main problem is the Islamic monk( mullah) who has neither insight nor foresight to the spiritual essence of Koran and other divine books. They beat our politicians hollow in the game of divide and rule. Very soon the Hanafi sect which is majority will also think of leaving for Turkey to let the Salafist enjoy the sun here. Could some scholar tell us in which Sura Allah
    has described the physical, chemical and mental aspects of all the sects that exist in Islam and Allah has given His blessing or wrath to each sect?Recommend

  • Ahmed
    Jun 19, 2011 - 11:37AM

    Time is not far away when these ‘true muslims’ will be served in a severe manner abroad than what they are doing here in land of pure, thinking the world ends ouutside the borders of this religious nation..Recommend

  • Haji Rafiq
    Jun 19, 2011 - 11:58AM

    These militants spoil the beautiful name of Islam worldwide, giving problems to all Muslims. The members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat on the other hand, with their slogan ‘Love for all and hatred for none’ inspire others to study the real Islam.Recommend

  • M M Malik
    Jun 19, 2011 - 1:48PM

    Intolerance is rampart, we have created an environment today; similar to the early days of Islam in Mecca; for Ahmadis. We are overlooking the message of love, peace and tolerance preached by the Holy Prophet (saw).Recommend

  • shy
    Jun 19, 2011 - 3:00PM

    Religion is personal matter.God knows better who is wrong or right?Recommend

  • Ahsan Iftikhar
    Jun 19, 2011 - 3:22PM

    Tribune u certainly rock, i have a firm believe that one day things will get back to the normal and we Ahmadis would live in this country fearlessly..Recommend

  • Jun 19, 2011 - 3:59PM

    Britishers will be resisted, even the brown ones.Recommend

  • Fahad Raza
    Jun 19, 2011 - 4:24PM

    ok what about agakhani’s what about christian its just Ahmadis only. Please talk about minorites as a whole don’t specify or single our anyone which you like….grow up and live according to the law of the land even if its against you…..Recommend

  • AHMED BALOCH
    Jun 19, 2011 - 4:41PM

    all this is happening on the name of ISLAM…and is being done by the so called followers of HADHRAT MUHAMMAD (SAW) THE HOLLIEST MAN THIS WORLD HAVE EVER SEEN…but i strongly believe that this is not ISLAM what is being practice today in Pakistan this is MAUDOODIAT or you call it MUNAFIQAT at its best….untill the people of Pakistan will stand up against this, Pakistan will have no hope for peace and progress….THANX EXPRESS FOR THIS POST….Recommend

  • Moderate
    Jun 19, 2011 - 5:19PM

    Ahmedis are non-Muslims and they should be treated as such. I dont know how it is for people to understand? Non-Muslim minorities have rights in Islam but these crackpot mullahs act like they dont know about them. Recommend

  • Ahmed
    Jun 19, 2011 - 5:21PM

    Keep it up TRIBUNE! hey MULLAH,S if you think that you stand for the truth then fight through arguments ( if u have any ) and not through GUNS, look what you have done to this peacefull religon ( ISLAM ) .Recommend

  • Infidel
    Jun 19, 2011 - 5:28PM

    sigh….. bus kur do…… Punjab has been the breeding ground for anti ahmedia movement… really……. Recommend

  • True Pakistani
    Jun 19, 2011 - 5:35PM

    I don’t think, any thing going bad with people belong to this minority, although they are enjoying better living style here in pakistan. I know many ahmadis people, they are from upper class and enjoying high living standards. My question is that why media giving importance to this minority only when there are other i.e. christians, agha khani, parsi people. why to this one only?
    I meet many ahmadi people who are owner of buildings, car, bungalows and they never get any issue when visiting countries outside pakistan.Recommend

  • True Pakistani
    Jun 19, 2011 - 5:37PM

    A good try of ET to get foreign support. Why these ahmadi people don’t accept them as minorti? Why they dont accept Pakistani law, which NA passed. Recommend

  • Syed Yusuf Hasnain
    Jun 19, 2011 - 6:09PM

    Time waste . These fanatics have destroyed our religion .Recommend

  • safir
    Jun 19, 2011 - 6:53PM

    i dont believe on firqa islam prohibit all the firqa presty but i do believe on khateme nabi
    peace be upon him with out that we r not muslim.Recommend

  • ayesha
    Jun 19, 2011 - 7:05PM

    @true pakistani: have you ever asked those Ahmadis how are they?have they ever been discriminated etc?just ask them once.if we do not complaint and accept everything and talk nicely to every one it doesn’t mean we are living a very happy life here.the thing is we can not speak out of fear of being killed by any mullah.this article has stated so many problems but since you do not want to see them you wont.haven’t you ever seen our mosque?have you ever questioned anyone why the kalima written outside is all covered by black clothe?or why we are not allowed to use loud speakers during jumma’s khutba?it is easy to say “no they have a house and a car they do not face any problems” moreover most of Ahmadis do not live in defence etc.most of ppl live in poor areas like myself.and we do face lot of problems.we are not asking much.we just want our country men to at least realize that we have problems.we are not asking anyone to protest for us or anything.at least consider our issues.it is not asking much.is it?Recommend

  • Ezekial
    Jun 19, 2011 - 8:07PM

    True Pakistani

    I suppose you are not aware of Islam. I think you should relocate to Afghanistan.Recommend

  • Ezekial
    Jun 19, 2011 - 8:20PM

    Pakistan’s solution lies in throwing Jamaat i Islami, taliban and other mullahs out of the country, nationalizing madressahs and banning any funds from Arabs to feed these terror factories. A Kemal Attaturk solution is needed before the cancer kills the country completely.Recommend

  • ALI
    Jun 19, 2011 - 11:42PM

    WHAT A DOUBLE JEOPARDY!!!! IS THIS ISLAM PREACHES??Recommend

  • safir
    Jun 20, 2011 - 12:38AM

    mohammad is the last prophet of god in all meaning no doubt in this will be if any body
    have he is out of islam.Recommend

  • amaar
    Jun 20, 2011 - 1:10AM

    I wish Pakistanis could be told that mullahs opposed Jinnah because he got the support of Ahmadis for his Pakistan movement, that Lahore resolution was drafted by an Ahmadi and that Jinnah himself returned from London to lead Mulim League through the persuasion of an Ahmadi. But are they willing to listen?Recommend

  • Arsalan
    Jun 20, 2011 - 1:57AM

    Allah Hafiz Pak istanRecommend

  • Javed
    Jun 20, 2011 - 3:49AM

    @Ezekial:
    True Pakistani should be urgently repatriated to Afghanistan. On second thought, Why should they suffer himRecommend

  • Rashid Khan
    Jun 20, 2011 - 5:27AM

    What was the contribution of mullahs towards the creation of Pakistan? Zilch.
    What is the contibution of mullahs towards the destruction of Pakistan? 100%Recommend

  • Mooed
    Jun 20, 2011 - 5:39AM

    so the love affair of ET with ahmedis continues, every week there are at-least 2-3 articles moaning and crying about ahmedis .Recommend

  • Ahmad M. Qamar
    Jun 20, 2011 - 9:27AM

    @Moise:
    And what about the AMERICANS…..the black ones…!!!!!….wolves in the guise of sheep…!!!….Playing havoc with the ideology of this country…!!!!Recommend

  • Ahmad M. Qamar
    Jun 20, 2011 - 9:30AM

    @safir:
    And what if Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, himself called the Imam Mahdi and the Promised Messiah to be a PROPHET…???..Check with Sahi Muslim, one of the most books of Hadith. Read the hadith concerning the second coming of the Promised Messiah. The Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, called the coming Imam Mahdi a PPROPHET not once but FOUR…I repeat..FOUR..times…Recommend

  • Jun 20, 2011 - 10:15AM

    I said resisted not killed. Stop the propaganda against us.Recommend

  • AD
    Jun 20, 2011 - 10:16AM

    Brilliant Article.I felt like an Ahmadi roaming through Karachi ( Sunni Nagar) streets ,I felt like Ahmadi child and cried for help from Prophet.A country born in the name of religion can’t respect faith of others, I am plain sad and helpless.Recommend

  • Nasir
    Jun 20, 2011 - 12:44PM

    Intolerant attitude and Hatred was sowed deep in our society by the enemies of Pakistan and Islam. It started with targeting Ahmadies, an easy target and now every sect in Islam has been declared “Wajib ul Qatal” (must be murdered) by some “Mullah” or the other.

    Today Pakistan is bleeding from its heart because of this attitude, but the Pakistani people do not understand this planning against them.

    Whatever a person thinks or believes, can be debated upon, discussed, taught, but a persons beliefs religious or otherwise should never be used to preach hatred or violence.Recommend

  • Hassan K Bajwa
    Jun 20, 2011 - 2:58PM

    @ Mooed

    I gather that you support the dicrimination and persecution of ahmadis then yes?? ET is doing nothing other than communicating the truth about the our nation’s treatment of those who believe differently from the state-authorised version of Islam.

    I suppose the ahmadis should be grateful to you and your ilk for “only” discriminating against them and not actually murdering them yes??Recommend

  • Amjad
    Jun 20, 2011 - 5:14PM

    Long awaited, its time for nation to listen to the “facts” related to Ahmadiyya Community who are under continuous biased treatment by country leaderships….!!!Recommend

  • safir
    Jun 20, 2011 - 5:35PM

    @qamar
    yes i know those hadith Recommend

  • safir
    Jun 20, 2011 - 5:53PM

    in 1947 some amaizing things hapend too when brit raj about to depart from india. delegation of sikhs and qadianis went to see last lord mount to ask him give them
    a seprate counties and that was the reason pakistan lost all punjab and kashmir.Recommend

  • Salman
    Jun 20, 2011 - 6:31PM

    Very Good Article. Thx tribune.Recommend

  • safir
    Jun 20, 2011 - 7:01PM

    to express please would u post full message of mine thank u.Recommend

  • Azaz
    Jun 20, 2011 - 8:00PM

    May Allah Ta’ala help Pakistan. It is this notion of extremism introduced by Zia that has led Pakistan to its current state of fundamentalism and intolerant society. I hope the people of Pakistan start realizing what true Islam is instead of blindly following Islam of Zia and mullah……Recommend

  • Ezekial
    Jun 20, 2011 - 8:03PM

    @safir

    “delegation of sikhs and qadianis went to see last lord mount to ask him give them
    a seprate counties and that was the reason pakistan lost all punjab and kashmir.
    Recommend”

    Nonsense. The Ahmadis and their Caliph had to immigrate to Pakistan for safety. Qadian was under Sikh assaults daily. Dozens of Ahmadis were killed by Sikh mobs. Nehru’s Government of India had cut off all communication to and from the this city and they attempted to leave the inhabitants to these Jathas.Recommend

  • asad
    Jun 20, 2011 - 8:25PM

    What is actually the purpose of this article. You are trying to bring a storm in a cup of tea.Islam is a peaceful religion and specially the followers of Sufism like Sunni Tehreek are the most tolerant and moderate sect of Islam. Sunni Tehreek, as always, was the only party to condemn bomb blast in Qadyanees worship place in Lahore. You didn’t had any concrete point to raise. Definately Qadiyanees have some restrictions as per the constitution of Pakistan, as Muslims have restrictions in any other non-Islamic country.
    I am wondering how much were you paid to write this article? Recommend

  • Insomniac
    Jun 20, 2011 - 8:37PM

    @safir:
    All non-sense, come up with the proof buddy. Do you need any proof of Ahmadiyya Muslims’ contribution towards the creation of Pakistan? You should be thankful to Ahmadis who gave you the identity.Recommend

  • jari
    Jun 20, 2011 - 9:06PM

    I really pay tribute to tribune for bringing up these topics to public. As long as mullahs rule in Pakistan there is no end to these atrocities against humans. Considering others as equal humans come after opening eyes to other cultures and religions. Which mullah cannot because is their innate behavior of looking down upon. Visit http://WWW.alislam.org for real Islam Recommend

  • Aleem
    Jun 20, 2011 - 9:13PM

    it feels good to see that someone has enough courage to voice out whats happening in Pakistan and is exposing the religious discrimination in Pakistan which is tarnishing the beauty of our homeland. God help PakistanRecommend

  • Talha
    Jun 20, 2011 - 9:43PM

    @safir

    Stop spreading lies and propaganda.

    It was an Ahmadi who presented the case for the Muslims in the boundary commission and he fought valiantly whereby his own opponent complimented him.

    Sir Muhammad Zafarullah Khan, a leading member of the Ahmediyya community, presented the Muslim League case before the Punjab Boundary Commission with sterling competence. The counsel for the Congress Party, Mr Setalvad, could not restrain himself from publicly paying compliments to Zafarullah during the proceedings. In 1947, the Ahmedis were still included in government statistics among Muslims, and that alone had inflated the Muslim percentage of the Gurdaspur district to a bare majority of 51 percent.

    Pakistan and Dehumanization of minorities

    Then Ahmadis fought in Kashmir under the Al-Furqan Batallion.

    Furqan Batallion

    The Jamaat-e-Ahmedia first sent a forty-men group under Mirza Mubarik Ahmad, which was posted at Merajkay, Sialkot; two of them were killed. Later, in June 1948, they sent a battalion, named “Furqan Battalion” which received its training at village Sohan near Sara-i-Alamgir. It was led first by Col. Muhammad Hayat Kaisrani and then by Col. Mubarik Ahmad. It was posted to Baghsar, Bhimber, on 10th July 1948 to see active duty. Five of its men were killed in action. It was disbanded on 15th June, 1950. A special function was held at Sara-i-Alamgir on 17h June, 1950, to mark its disbandment.

    The Commander-in-Chief of the Pakistan army, General Sir Dougles Gracey sent a message, read by Brig. M. K. Sheikh, in which he said:

    “In Kashmir, you were allotted an importantsector and very soon you justified the reliance placed on you and you nobly acquitted yourself in battle against heavy enemy ground and air attacks, without losing a single inch of ground. Your conduct, both individual and collective, and your discipline have been of a very high order.”

    Furqan Force – C-in-C GraceyRecommend

  • Jun 20, 2011 - 10:45PM

    @safir Ch Zafrullah Khan, an Ahmadi Muslim, fought for Pakistan and other Muslim countries all his life at all platforms, including representing Pakistan on boundary commission where he fought Pakistan’s case with 100% honesty and integrity. That is why he was well respected all over the world and no one could point a finger at him. And eventually he became the President of the International Court of Justice at Hague, not to mention President of UN General Assembly.

    If it was some “Qadiani” conspiracy on the boundary commission why would they lose Qadian to India and migrate to Pakistan to suffer and get persecuted? So stop the anti-Ahmadiyya propaganda based on falsehood (if you are truthful). This persecution and anti-Ahmadiyya laws itself are a proof that you have lost all arguments and resorting to violence and force.Recommend

  • safir
    Jun 20, 2011 - 11:48PM

    @ qamar
    there are so many hadiths peace be upon him and his family about kazabs means
    fals prophet hood.u should read those tooRecommend

  • Ezekial
    Jun 21, 2011 - 12:50AM

    @asad

    “Definately Qadiyanees have some restrictions as per the constitution of Pakistan, as Muslims have restrictions in any other non-Islamic country.”

    Nonsense. No Muslim is stopped from becoming the President in India or USA as per law. In fact Zakir Hussain and Abu Kalam were Muslim presidents of India. But in Pakistan, which was founded with the help of Ahmadis, no Ahmadi will be given any place to lead the country.
    You owe your citizenship because of the role of Ahmadis in creating your country. Have you no shame!

    The restrictions on Ahmadis are unconstitutional and a creation of Bhutto’s parliament and Zia’s fundamentalism.Recommend

  • Ezekial
    Jun 21, 2011 - 12:56AM

    @Moeed

    “so the love affair of ET with ahmedis continues, every week there are at-least 2-3 articles moaning and crying about ahmedis .”

    Should ET moan and cry for the likes of you who have no shame?Recommend

  • Jun 21, 2011 - 12:57AM

    If you want to learn some basics about the role of Jama’at Ahmadiyya in the creation of Pakistan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgpe8F_s-vQRecommend

  • Insomniac
    Jun 21, 2011 - 3:03AM

    @safir:
    To learn about Ahmadiyya Muslims contribution for Pakistan pls check it out
    http://m.youtube.com/?dc=organic&source=mog&hl=en#/watch?v=Zgpe8F_s-vQRecommend

  • M.A. Qazi
    Jun 21, 2011 - 3:25AM

    Saba, Thanks for your courage. Recommend

  • Jun 21, 2011 - 5:03AM

    Mr. Asad (and others of the same tolerance level)

    Why are you so hateful? Ahmadis are also citizens of Pakistan. Tribune is simply reporting difficulties citizens of Pakistan face regardless of their religion. What is wrong with that? Tribune does not only write about Ahmadis. It has written many articles about other minorities as well. This is commendable given that very few news agencies brave controversial issues. 267 Ahmadis have lost their lives due to religious intolerance. Why does not that bother you? Refer to ahmadimythbusters.blogspot.com and alislam.org for more information. Recommend

  • Muhammad Zeshan
    Jun 21, 2011 - 9:24AM

    At least some tried to break scilance. Recommend

  • Qamar Suleiman
    Jun 21, 2011 - 9:52AM

    This always comes down in my mind as the responsibility of the state.However unfortunately it is the state that is involved.The question i ask myself is that is it true that Quid’s vision was to create an Islamic state?.I often find out that his efforts were to create a Muslim Majority state NOT an Islamic state.This is what it seems is the root of all the evils.Calling Pakistan an Islamic state had lead to the idea of using Islam for personal gains.Recommend

  • kashan
    Jun 21, 2011 - 10:46AM

    Bravo..!!!Recommend

  • Zafar Iqbal
    Jun 21, 2011 - 11:03AM

    You showed great courage to write the truth about Ahmadiyya community while other power full media groups in Pakistan have no courage to write a single word in their favour. May God give you full reward and protect you from these intolerant peoples.

    Jazak Allah.

    Zafar IqbalRecommend

  • Usman Waraich
    Jun 21, 2011 - 12:27PM

    Islam is a religion of peace and harmony
    Islam denies salvation if one does not allow fellow “HUMANS” their rights.
    Islam belives in HUMANITY” and only then you attain “SPIRITUALITY”.
    Lets first learn to be humble…
    Lets first learn to be human…
    Let religion be what it is – an extremely personal matter…and LET GO !!!!Recommend

  • Imran Khan Kamalzae
    Jun 21, 2011 - 1:13PM

    AoA
    Mohammad (PBUH) is the last prophet of god in all meaning no doubt in this and will be no Prophet will come. It is very said to see that the propaganda against Ahmadi is increasing day by day it has to be stopped in the Independent territory of Pakistan. The youth of this nation has to study the Ahmadi Jamat then have to take decision what is wrong and what is right.Recommend

  • Abdul
    Jun 21, 2011 - 1:16PM

    It is the time to speak out truth. It is no and never situation for Pakistan. We need to accept this truth that Pakistan is an intolerance country due to these fanatics MULLAHS. Thanks Tribune.Recommend

  • moon
    Jun 21, 2011 - 1:17PM

    @Ahmad M. Qamar & other Grieved ones
    My all due feelings and sympathies.
    1. But plz stick to the constitution and Islamic laws for minorities. Don’t refer to any Hadeith, as you are not authority over ilmul-hadith, Shariah or fiqh. All above wordings are perceived as they are taught to bearers. (“Four times…!”) Hope some neutral studies reveal it to such believers that Maseeh will be an UMMTI of MUHAMMAD (S.A.W)…. “La Nabiyyu Ba’adi”…. Nothing to say further in this regard.
    2. Constitutional rights are there. (Btw I hope its not required to reiterate that constitution is nothing but abstract of Shariah.) If few are violating constitution, definitely Administration (Govt.) must ensure its is abide by. Don’t create a stereotypical image of over all society. If Isb. Lhr, Khi, Sanghar, Badin have observed discriminatory acts, local authorities, courts etc must be referred to. If no one is satisfied with locals, go to high court or supreme court. Who stops grieved party from doing so? How many cases have been registered? How many petitions are in place? How many knocks have been given at Distt. Courts, LHC, SHC, SC? If someone doesn’t believe on these courses of actions, means they are just interested in their propaganda rather than pursuing for justice.
    3. Discrimination in postings: Is there any case in any court? Please set some example and get the courts’ verdict regarding top posts. Whatever their directions/clarifications to the Govt. be. Obviously court’s decisions must not be used for any propaganda.
    Hope, no one’s feelings are ignited, work for peace and you will find peace. If someone has concealed intentions, nothing can be done for them except for saying R.I.P…..! :) Recommend

  • Nasir
    Jun 21, 2011 - 2:21PM

    You become intolerant of our Prophet … Expect the same from usRecommend

  • Sahrish
    Jun 21, 2011 - 3:02PM

    @Mooed:
    I am not an Ahmedi. However, if any fraction of my society is being treated unjustly, then standing up for them is my moral and religious duty. Recommend

  • moon
    Jun 21, 2011 - 3:39PM

    Its very unfortunate that ET is only interested in publishing particular propaganda. I’ve submitted comments but remained unheard. Comments were neither infuriating nor supporting any of the extremes (Qadyani/Mullas). Anyways, thanx ET….
    PS: I know this comment will make its way and get published…. Yep, ThanxRecommend

  • safir
    Jun 21, 2011 - 6:13PM

    @ Ezekial
    this was eritten in book name shameful flight by stanley wolpert last shameful years of brit raj in india every thing was going very smoothful no one believe it sikh and
    qadiani lived with other muslims for so long suddenely they wants there own countries quaid azam may allh give him peace and blessing he dont even want a migration from
    both side of border like jaswanth singh mention it in his lattest book mr jinnah but maybe
    god had some thing else in his mind and the history tells us what this is hapend qadiani
    wants a chanab area to kashmir a there home land where qadiani massiah is buried also
    some body name essa khan grave in kashmir u can see in you tube and sikh wants it by
    east punjab to multan a seprat state. any way there r some refrence available in market but this a latest one.Recommend

  • safir
    Jun 21, 2011 - 6:50PM

    @ masood rana & insomniac
    thats i am not its a history please read it a article by mr safder mehmood in jung urdu
    date 6-19-2011 what zaferullah khan was and he did in cration of pakistan.Recommend

  • J Khan
    Jun 21, 2011 - 8:46PM

    Being a Practicing Ahmadi (Lahore Jama’at), I was never scared to pray back in late 80’s and 90’s.But in 2000 and onwards, I faced a lot of criticism when people found out that I’m Ahmadi especially by my neighbours.

    Though I still used to pray at my local mosque but being from a respectable family of Peshawar, I was never told directly to leave mosque but I could read the faces of people around me.

    I moved to London in 2005 and here I can freely practice my religion Islam and people don’t even bother when they find out that I’m Ahmadi ( even Pakistanis who have migrated here or born here).

    I fear for people back in Pakistan, not just Ahmadi’s but from all the sects. Muslim are killing their own brothers. Hatred has overcome us.

    Regarding the article, I think the only people which oppose are mostly illiterate or lack in knowledge. They only believe in what Mullah tells them. They make no effort study and understand others.

    I just ask them one question: How are they are going to defend themselves in front of Allah (SWT) on day of judgement, when they had no (nisf) Half imaan by not keeping cleanliness. Offer prayers just to show off to other people that they are into religion. Read Quran but never understand it and apply into their lives.Recommend

  • Mirza
    Jun 21, 2011 - 10:25PM

    Great job, no doubt. Every single voice for the sake of justice should be highly appreciated. I hope some day with the effort of people like you, Pakistan will see a time of justice, prosperity and progress…once again…great jobRecommend

  • Ishtiaq Ahmed
    Jun 21, 2011 - 10:39PM

    Trust me friends such problems will never go away till we keep professing that Pakistan is an Islamic republic. Pakistan is and will remain a Muslim majority country but it has to be a country for all – irrespective of ones’ religious inclination. Pakistan must not patronize any religion and have no state religion. Otherwise today it is Ahmedi, tomorrow it will be some other group. The spiral of religious violance will never end.Recommend

  • jamal
    Jun 22, 2011 - 9:57AM

    @safir:
    Dear Pls. provide the quotation about the Ahmadies demand for separate country other then Pakistan. Recommend

  • Ahmad M. Qamar
    Jun 22, 2011 - 11:01AM

    @safir:
    Then you do not believe in them, right? The crux of the problem. You have stopped believing in the true teachings of the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. You will never earn respect. By abandoning the hadith, you outrightly abandon and defy Islam. Recommend

  • Tawheed Ahmad Joolfoo
    Jun 22, 2011 - 5:18PM

    How about we raise a fund like “PAKISTAN AHMADI IMMIGRATION FUND“?
    It would have for objective to move them to a country with peaceful places. We could donate online via paypal or other alternative…
    I don’t much about the technical procedure though; hmm, well who thinks like me? Recommend

  • safir
    Jun 22, 2011 - 5:55PM

    @ jamal&qamar
    did not u guys see what refrences i give above in my messages book name shame
    fule flight written by mr stanley wolpert & dr safser mehmood sahab jung urdu article date
    06-19-2011 and qamar i will say moon answerd allready in above message and i dont want
    to a gonnagaar. Maasalam.Recommend

  • safir
    Jun 22, 2011 - 6:02PM

    @ towheed its a good idea close to jews when they occupy land of palestine why not same plase because they are in haifa allready for long time.Recommend

  • safir
    Jun 22, 2011 - 6:33PM

    @ towheed i forgot to massiah most likely will come in belath ul sham so its gonna be
    easy for him to———–Recommend

  • Waseem
    Jun 23, 2011 - 12:23AM

    @Mooed:
    And you cannot listen to the truth coming out of them can you? Get out of the bubble you live in and face the real world. your terrorist mindset will not bring peace to this world. Tolerance was taught by the Holy Prophet pbuh but what would you know about the beautiful teaching of islam. Allah says even the Quran is the guidence for righetous people, not for everyone. So is the teaching of our belove prophet pbuh. They are the guidence for the reightous people not for any fanatic.Recommend

  • Tawheed Ahmad Joolfoo
    Jun 23, 2011 - 11:54AM

    @safir:
    Oy!! Instead of the Jews and Palestine Issue; I would prefer my solution to be related to Muslims migrating from Mecqa to Medina or Abyssinee. I mean it’s heart wrenching for me to even hear about the cruelties done to those Ahmadi in the name of the Holy Prophet (pbuh).

    Those consenting to immigrate will then get enough money through this fund to go establish themselves, where it’s more peaceful.Recommend

  • Abdul Haq
    Jun 24, 2011 - 12:10AM

    Thanks brother for raising voice against cruelty with the innocent Ahmedies.Recommend

  • Aqueel Ahmad Mirza
    Jun 24, 2011 - 12:37PM

    @Fahad Raza:
    I think this article is on Ahmadiyya persecution. Others can be discussed in articles which would be written for them.Recommend

  • Aqueel Ahmad Mirza
    Jun 24, 2011 - 12:41PM

    @True Pakistani:
    Hey, if you are living in a country and the govt asks you to not to call yourself muslim, would you like it?? Common sense!! Recommend

  • Aqueel Ahmad Mirza
    Jun 24, 2011 - 1:12PM

    @safir:
    Quaid e Azam declared Ch. Zafrullah Khan (An Ahmadi) as lawyer for Boundary commission who fought for Pakistan till end. When british and Hindu did injustice with setting up boundaries, they gave gurdaspur to india in order to give it the path to Kashmir. Ahmadies migrated to Pakistan (Rabwah city) after all this injustice.
    And you know, the only battalion who fought on Kashmir battlefield for Pakistan in 1948 was “Furqan battalion” and they were Ahmadies.Recommend

  • Jun 28, 2011 - 9:10PM

    There are discrimination problems in Pakistan and a radicalisation due to the imposed war on its border.

    This report is more balanced than the usual Ahmadi propaganda of ET. However, it still fails to mention that Ahmadis are found on very senior positions in Pakistan. The ex-police chief of Karachi, Waseem Ahmad, was a Qadiani, and that he went on to become the DG of the FIA, from where he was forced to resign this April for supporting the government against the supreme court (i.e. he was supporting the PPP).

    Similarly, director-level positions in the Revenue Board and NADRA are held by Ahmadis. While they are citisens of Pakistan and we are happy that Pakistan is such a tolerant society, we should also be aware that Ahmadi officials have a documented track record of preferring the oath to their Khalifa over the oath to their office.

    The army has just started investigating officers who belong to other cult-like organisations like Hizb Tahreer, and John F. Kennedy was once famously asked whether his loyalty to the pope would override his loyalty to his office, and he stated with a flat NO.

    Why can we not ask our senior Ahmadi officials to answer the same questions, because how many organisations ask their followers to take an oath to sacrifice their ‘life, money and honour’ for their leader. Yes, honour :)

    Keep up this trend of balanced coverage of Ahmadis.Recommend

  • moon
    Jun 29, 2011 - 12:36PM

    @Akber: Very True. There are considerable examples of “grieved community’s members” holding senior level positions in public as well as private institutions. I personal know many of them in various private sectors including banking, Auto, Oil & Gas, Civil Works etc etc.
    As I refereed in my comments above, mare grievances just add to propaganda, and this era of ours is not 30s & 40s when one could even Nauzbillah propagate about Hazrat Allama Dr. Muhammad Iqbal. People have firm beliefs and assess issues on their merits.
    W.r.t. issue of oath, yep I strongly support this point of yours. But, reservations are there and that too for obvious reasons.Recommend

  • S Minhaj Zafer
    Jul 13, 2011 - 3:14PM

    The Children of FEAR,
    SWALLOWS….. HATE, ANGER & KILLING
    Easily, But finds themselves
    INCAPABLE of….LOVE, PEACE & FORGIVENESS.

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  • Tawheed Ahmad Joolfoo
    Jul 13, 2011 - 4:41PM

    And what’s that supposed to mean!!?? – that we Ahmadi are unable to love, forgive or something?

    Care to clarify?

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  • Ali
    Jul 13, 2011 - 8:08PM

    @ Akber We Ahmadis hold a firm believe that loyalty to our country comes first. My grandfathers fought in Kashmir with furqan force, then again in 65 and 1971 where my Nana was a P.O.W along with my chacha. My father was involved in many army operations in his career including the one in Sindh. Yet you have the audacity to question our loyalty towards this country. Let me remind you that it was in the Ahmadiyya mosque of London where Quaid-e-Azam announced he was returning to India.

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  • Rahman
    Jul 15, 2011 - 7:17AM

    One day Pakistani Martin Niemoller will recite as follow;
    When the Mulla came for the Ahmadis,
    I remained silent; I was not a Ahmadi.

    When they locked up the progressives,
    I remained silent; I was not a progressive.

    When they came for non-Muslims,
    I did not speak out; I was not a non-Muslim.

    When they came for the Shia,
    I remained silent; I wasn’t a Shia.

    When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out.

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  • Tariq Saeed
    Jul 19, 2011 - 12:36PM

    I appreciate Tribune for showing courage and highlighting such hatred-spreading campaigns in the name of Islam. These is no doubt that in Pakistan, Ahmadis are passing through the most difficult time of their lives. No steps from local or national government, no attention to news like this, no steps to condemn such acts at media and most importantly nothing from the so called ‘independent justice’ at all.

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  • Balal
    Jul 19, 2011 - 1:09PM

    A wonderful article and all praise and congrats should go to Sabah. As religion is being used by many to divide society and its results are far more devastating than any one could imagine. I think its very wise for our Journalists to promote and make aware to the masses about the causes and the seeds of religious hatred.

    Ahmadis have been the most suppressed and all limits of barbarism have been crossed both by society and by the government. Still they cry in front of God and abide by all laws, their action are far more superior than any words. Still everyone turns a blind eye to them, they were the first to be religiously legislated against and the rights of practicing a religion taken away. Until this first wrong step by the legislators is reversed, the society cannot go back to a unified one and thus creating the foundations of a nation.

    No matter what we do until we turn this stone and eradicate the wrong doing of the past, we will not be the same nation again.

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  • Taha Noman Khan
    Jul 19, 2011 - 3:46PM

    This has been long awaited. I am amazed how people have kept quiet after the atrocities showed on 28 May 2010 in Lahore at Dar ul Zikr. Few of them showed some sympathies but that was just for the moment. I am thankful to Tribune for showing such courage to publish such articles based on true facts. Keep it up.

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  • Nasar.
    Jul 19, 2011 - 3:56PM

    I appreciate to tribute and particularly the writer who broken the ice. As we all are well aware of situation in our country, which I totally blame to ourselves that what are our ethics, responsibilities, commitments, acts and what we are doing and what we are not doing so. I should say it is a eye opener for all of us after reading this article but for those who are not biased and trust on peaceful life. It is an inherent human responsibility for each of us to try to make a positive difference in the world and off course WE CAN DO as nothing is impossible.

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  • Kamran
    Jul 19, 2011 - 4:10PM

    Thanks Tribune for this great effort of highlighting the basic human issue. Brutal truth that those who actually pray and do good deeds as per actual Islam are not allowed to perform prayers freely. Have faced the same attitude from some people throughout student life and still facing this unbearable attitude in the professional life as well.
    I Love my country, I pray for the long live of Pakistan. I wish the peace and harmony for my country where everyone should have the right to live with the peace of mind and have freedom to live FREE without any restrictions.

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  • Naveed Sabir
    Jul 19, 2011 - 4:32PM

    May Allah protect Pakistan and rest of the world always.

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  • Ali Kalim
    Jul 19, 2011 - 6:56PM

    A very good and daring approach I must say by Saba Imtiaz. We sincerely appreciate the time you and your team spent on this article. Whatever you have observed and written in the article is true and unbiased to its very core. It is not a hyperbole here if I say that your article, has been the highlight of the day and the media should discuss various inputs that you have given in your article on different angles of the subject ‘Human Rights’ or AN AHMADI’s RIGHTS in Pakistan. This is all nothing but your encouragement and we profusely thank you once again for your speech.

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  • Tallal bin Saif
    Jul 19, 2011 - 7:32PM

    Tribune is doing its job bravely. Hats off to the writer and tribune to publish such article.

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  • Danish Zahid
    Jul 19, 2011 - 8:37PM

    Very Good Article. Thx tribune.

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  • Nasir
    Jul 19, 2011 - 9:08PM

    A very good article and a brave effort.Recommend

  • jamal nasir
    Jul 19, 2011 - 10:39PM

    there is something to cheer about at last..not actually the article only but the way writer has expressed his views..ahmadis as we all know them are more peaceful than any other community around..while i say this,i have may 2010 incident to quote when dreams of a number of families were shattered but not a single stone was lifted and thrown..there is always a need to spread such message which actually is the message of each religion..but unfortunately this message is spread by a community declared as non muslim..such is the destiny of our nation and it is been depicted everywhere in the country..may Allah enable our leaders to think about it..however i really appreciate the writer..Allah bless us all..

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  • Ahmad Adnan
    Jul 19, 2011 - 11:57PM

    After a longtime, it had been seen that any newspaper have the ability or try to think about others. Its been a great effort by SABA IMTIAZ to write what actually it was. I heartedly appreciate Tribune for this positive intent.

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  • No Name Plz
    Jul 20, 2011 - 1:44AM

    There was a debate about law and being …. oh no if there is a person who believe that he is true Pakistani should put a long march and a DEHRNAH as well to force the government of Pakistan to declassify the parliament in camera session in which Muslim Law of pakistan was made declaring who is Muslim and who is not. Please ask the government … be brave there was nothing to hide in that. Publish it in the news papers and put the audio tapes on the news channels. Let people know how much justice is there in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Haroon
    Jul 20, 2011 - 12:26PM

    I would like to appreciate this brave effort of tribune, the way tribune has expressed the issues of Ahmadi Jamat. Pakistan is a country where the majority follows the religion Islam. Islam is the religion of peace and it allows all the beliefs to follow their practice independently, whereas in Pakistan it is seen that the people have become very much intolerant and extremist. Ahmadi belief, which has a motto, “Love for all hatred for none”, has proved it at the time, when their mosques were attacked by terrorists, they didn’t show extremism or violence. They peacefully negotiated the issue with the government rather than marching on streets or lighting the public property. Following the religion of Islam, all the Muslims should remember that the prophet Mumammad S.A.W. was the prophet of peace and he practised peace before or after the Fateh of Makkah.

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  • Amer
    Jul 20, 2011 - 1:35PM

    I really appreciate the efforts of tribune for revealing the truth. Now a days in Pakistan it’s really hard to speak/write about actual picture of our society. In daily life we see many incidents around us for intolerance and injustice but we keep quiet and don’t bother to stop or protest it. Only Ahmadi’s are not the target of these extremist it is tough for christens, Hindus, Sikhs and all minorities to live in current Pakistan. For Pakistan all these people did there maximum efforts for rebuilding this country. Government/Civil Society is not planning any concrete measures to keep these peoples as part of Pakistan. And let them live there lives according to there faith. I wish Tribune will keep this courage to speak about truth. thanks.

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  • Zeeshan Ahmad
    Jul 20, 2011 - 3:15PM

    Great and courageous article. Unless we Pakistanis show ZERO tolerance to extremism, the war against terrorism cannot be won. ZERO tolerance requires the Government to act against those illegal provocations and instigation against any sect.

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  • Ali
    Jul 20, 2011 - 4:40PM

    Jammat Ahmadia’s message is simple and straight forward for all world, “Love for all, Hatred for None”. I pray to god that at least every body comprehend this message.

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  • Faateh
    Jul 20, 2011 - 10:41PM

    If only Jinnah was alive today. Would have been shocked to see the state we are in. I don’t think this is about religion or faith anymore. Seems to me that this is some agenda far more materialistic. And with plenty of illiterate people ready to follow the band wagon, a perfect setup. Well written indeed.

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  • Abdul Hayee
    Jul 20, 2011 - 11:03PM

    Islam gives us the best way, in fact far much better than any other ideology,thought or religion but unfortunately the true Islam has simply been vanished away from our country.

    Anyhow Thanx a lot Express Tribune for publishing such a nice article and putting some light on the anti-humanitarian activities being carried out on this land which is none other’s but our home land and such activities should be discouraged for the sake of peace and betterment of humanityin our home land.

    Thankyou very much

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  • Jul 21, 2011 - 12:50AM

    @Fahad Raza:
    At certain times the specification get inevitable especially when the law singles out a group of people and label them as “non-muslims” despite all their claims and proof of those claims about their being Muslim. You’ll never find a Christian saying himself a Muslim or wanting to be called so but all Ahmadis are and claim to be Muslims. And the law of the land is always respected and followed but mind the fact that its a man-made law, not a God-given law that should’nt be questioned at all. The people who made that law were’nt prophets or sages!

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  • Jul 21, 2011 - 12:54AM

    That was an awesome piece. Efforts of Express Tribune to tear apart that filthy layer of intorence in Pakistan’s social fabric is highly appreciated! May the arrive soon when people get weighed by the value of their character rather than the color of their skin or the smell of their faith!

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  • Nasir Zia
    Jul 21, 2011 - 5:12AM

    Great Artical, good on ya mate. After all those attrocities and discreminations, we still not only love Pakistan as being our homeland but pray for it as much we can. When an Ahmadi gets hurt by fellow countrymen they find solace by praying to Allah to whom they truly believe in, and their resolve gets stronger and their belief in Allah gets strength.
    May I suggest for once to my beloved people of Pakistan to atleast trust in Allah, pray to Him. I am pretty sure He is better resourced than human being, to whom He created. Please for God sake for even all other matters of life TRUST IN ALLAH who is the creator.
    In the end I would suggest the writter of this artical to track the Khatme Nabuwat people and write their side of the story as well …….why do they do this all the time and their achievments. Their true faces should be shown to the fellow countrymen. God bless Pakistan.

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  • salmaan
    Jul 21, 2011 - 7:16AM

    @safir:
    “delegation of sikhs and qadianis went to see last lord mount to ask him give them
    a seprate counties…”

    Care to provide any reference?
    I bet you can not.

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  • fraz
    Jul 21, 2011 - 11:17AM

    Can someone guide me to know:
    1. What is the meaning of Islam and what are its fundamental principles?
    2. What was the OSWA of Hazrat Muhammad s.a.w towards minorities and what was Hazoors’ s.a.w intensions against miniorities, if any?
    3. Do we have any single example of snubbing minorities in OSWA?

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  • Dr Imran Ahmed
    Jul 21, 2011 - 11:18AM

    Excellent piece.

    We need to educate Pakistan’s children that intolerance and hate towards different creeds is unacceptable. Bigotry, violence and injustice are not a part of Islam.

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  • Murtza
    Jul 21, 2011 - 11:31AM

    Thanks ET for bringing out the reality. This is MULLAS’ Islam who they teach to so called MUSLIMS of Pakistan. True Islam is here if you have eyes to see them. I just want to say that just look behind and see that before that blasphemy law was employed, Pakistan was flourishing but now look after that when Bhutto and Zia who tried and succeeded to implement that law what has happened to the country? you call your self to be true pakistani or true muslim. Is this what Islam teaches? Recommend

  • Amjad
    Jul 21, 2011 - 12:15PM

    Ahmadi Muslims believe in Muhummad SAW being the messenger of God’s & always live their lives in the light of given motto of Hadrat Mirza Nasir Ahmed Sb.Love for and hatred for none, because this motto teach us the real teaching of Islam & humanity
    Well done Saba .. really appreciate your article….keep it up
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  • Muhammad Ata-Ul-Aleem Siddiqui
    Jul 21, 2011 - 12:46PM

    We are facing hatred from everywhere in Pakistan. But Allah makes some people to express the truths what their eyes can sight. Its a brilliant and courageous effort by the Essay writer as well as the Tribune. Jazakumullah. May Allah enable you to disclose more truths.

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  • Muhammad Ata-Ul-Aleem Siddiqui
    Jul 21, 2011 - 12:55PM

    This is absolutely a brilliant and courageous effort by both writer and Tribune to publish a report on such critical issues. Nowadays, Pakistan is badly hurt by such So Called Religious parties. And the laws made against Ahmadies, spread hatred all over the Pakistan. Pakistani people should realize that Islam does not say what these parties declares. People should recite Quran and Hadeeth to know the truth and the real teachings of Islam. Islam wants peace in the world but in Pakistan, Islam is producing hatred. Is it justified?? Definitely not. Lets pray and put our efforts to know our religion. May Allah enable us to do so. At the end, I want to thank Tribune and the writer to raise the voice of innpcent Ahmadies at such level. Jazakumullah.

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  • muzafar
    Jul 21, 2011 - 2:04PM

    Very Good Article. Thx tribune.

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  • Kashif Munir
    Jul 21, 2011 - 3:30PM

    Islam is a religion of peace. Islam preaches love and tolerance.
    Molvis preach hatred and barbaric acts in the name of Islam. Doesn’t a reformer required?

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  • shoaib asad
    Jul 21, 2011 - 3:48PM

    thnx tribune…

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  • Muddasar Rasheed
    Jul 21, 2011 - 4:04PM

    AOA,
    May Allah bless on this nation, give them eyes of real islam and May this nattion follow the foot marks of Holly Prophit PBUH. He teaches us tolerance and forgivness.

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  • zubair ahmad
    Jul 21, 2011 - 11:18PM

    Exceptional work ET,Pakistan fiercely needs bold people who can speak the truth.

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  • Bilal Ahmed
    Jul 21, 2011 - 11:41PM

    Brilliant! Jazakallah

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  • Basharat
    Jul 22, 2011 - 1:19PM

    I don’t find a single evidence in the life of Hazrat Muhammad (P.B.U.H) when he ordered to kill anyone just because of his faith, unless in a battle when someone attacks Muslims then it is allowed to defend yourself.

    But here the situation is much worst. We being Ahmadi Muslims do believe in the Last Shariah of Hazart Muhammad (P.B.U.H) and lend our lives exactly according to that BUT still are being killed, tortured and continuously discriminated in all parts of society just because we follow the true Islam.

    Now look at the life of these Mullas who are so called defenders of Islam, can you find any single of them following true Islam in their lives. The answer is a Big NO.

    The choice is yours, everyone has to answer to Allah for his own deeds. Think yourself don’t blindly follow your Mullah.

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  • Aqm Haider
    Jul 22, 2011 - 6:43PM

    This article is definitely thought provoking and it makes me wonder.
    It makes me wonder how easily we forget our foundation and the basis on which this country was formed. After reading the above article it is debatable whether the people even remember “Mohammad Ali Jinnah” leave aside his teachings. In his address as President of the Constituent Assembly he said;
    “You are free; you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or any other place of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State.”
    It really does make me wonder as a Citizen of this country whether Mr. Jinnah did mean anything to this country. I have not seen him or the people of his time, but his name is all over the history, and it makes me wonder how his teachings fit in the equation of letting only a ‘section’ of the public practice it’s faith freely.
    The Ahmadies do not demand that others should believe or accept their teachings but, that they should also be duly respected and identified as a ‘citizen’ of this country. A citizen no more or less than the others.
    This however, is not possible until and unless the government repeals the Second Amendment to the Constitution of Pakistan passed in 1974 and 298 B and C of the Pakistan Penal Code. These provisions are clearly incompatible with Article 20 of the Constitution which is freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institutions. Not to mention that these additions to the penal code were brought about in the dictatorial period of Zia-ul-Haq, where to call for democratic arrangement was itself subject to questioning.
    I hope the people of the country soon realize how it is to live in a country, in a homeland you belong to but still cannot call it ‘yours’. O ye. Remember, that all men are born equal and shall die equal!

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  • Yasir
    Jul 22, 2011 - 7:54PM

    As far as I remember, loud speakers were banned to use for such sermons, in which element of religous hatred is found…. Loud speakers are supposed to use for Azaam purpose only. Surpringly, on one hand, same is used for a noble cause, azaan…. on the other hand, used for hate… are they humans??? in shape of mullahs… should they be called humans?

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  • Haroon
    Jul 22, 2011 - 8:40PM

    I would like to appreciate this brave effort of tribune, the way tribune has expressed the issues of Ahmadi Jamat. Pakistan is a country where the majority follows the religion Islam. Islam is the religion of peace and it allows all the beliefs to follow their practice independently, whereas in Pakistan it is seen that the people have become very much intolerant and extremist. Ahmadi belief, which has a motto, “Love for all hatred for none”, has proved it at the time, when their mosques were attacked by terrorists, they didn’t show extremism or violence. They peacefully negotiated the issue with the government rather than marching on streets or lighting the public property. Following the religion of Islam, all the Muslims should remember that the prophet Mumammad S.A.W. was the prophet of peace and he practiced peace before or after the Fateh of Makkah.

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  • Ata Ul Awwal
    Jul 23, 2011 - 12:24PM

    Jazak Allah Saba Imtiaz,
    You have done a daring job by writing and highlighting such an important issue in Pakistan by which we as a nation suffering and passing from the worst phase of this era. Keep doing such gallant jobs by using your pen. May Allah bless you and Tribune by publishing such an intrepid article.

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  • Muhammad Iqbal
    Jul 23, 2011 - 4:19PM

    TRUTH speaks itself, just we have to accept that

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  • maghfoor
    Jul 24, 2011 - 8:52PM

    THNX JAZAKALLAH tribune :)

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  • maghfoor
    Jul 24, 2011 - 8:54PM

    jazakallahRecommend

  • Nasir Ahmad
    Jul 25, 2011 - 9:21AM

    I dont know why Mullah is spreading hatred among people??? Are they here to spread love and peace or to spread hate and unreset…. I can’t find any example like this in the whole life of Muhammad PBUH..Why they are more concerend about deciding Ahmad’s relegion instead of making their own reglegious belives strong????

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  • ijaz
    Jul 25, 2011 - 4:46PM

    its nice to know that some people have the courage to condemn the wrong against Ahmadies.

    Ahmadies played very important role in the struggle for achieving Pakistan: its
    just lack of knowledge to say that Ahmadies were not in favor of Pakistan . Ahmadi in Army also played crucial role in war against india. Due to bias against us non-ahmadies do not give us any credit. But we are true Pakistanies and we will never stay back when our country need us in any trouble; just like Humanity First our organization helped victims of last year floods and many other social works carried out during any time in an year.

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  • Jamshaid Bajwa
    Jul 26, 2011 - 1:18PM

    Thanks to TRIBUNE

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  • Khurram
    Jul 28, 2011 - 12:29PM

    First of all thanks for hi-lighting the true facts which are faced by Jamaat Ahmadiyya in Pakistan. Due to this continued hatred, without knowing and reading the truth of Jamaat Ahmadiyya, Our Country is suffering from Many diseases like Terrorism, Racism etc. Following the Mullah’s teachings of hatred and killing without knowing a single line of Quran e Pak is becoming a part of beliefs of common people. And due to this fact It is indeed a curse by Allah on whole society that people are killing each other without knowing who is he and what was his mistake.

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  • Abdul Sittar Shad
    Jul 28, 2011 - 6:49PM

    Salam Saba

    May Allah Ta’ala help Pakistan. It is this notion of extremism introduced by Zia that has led Pakistan to its current state of fundamentalism and intolerant society. I hope the people of Pakistan start realizing what true Islam is instead of blindly following Islam of Zia and mullah…… Real Fact.
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  • Ahmad
    Jul 28, 2011 - 10:44PM

    GOD bless you. Love for all, hatred for none.

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  • Waqas Sandhu
    Jul 28, 2011 - 10:53PM

    Harsh but true picture of our current society. Thanks tribune for this beautifull piece of writing.

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