Pakistan

Rangers shooting: Two personnel sent on 5-day physical remand

Four others involved in the incident yet to be handed over.

Express June 10, 2011

KARACHI: Two Rangers personnel, involved in the killing of Sarfaraz Shah, were handed over to the police on a five-day physical remand on Friday.

Express 24/7 correspondent, Ahmed Jung reported that Superintendent of Police (SP) Clifton had said that the two men, Muhammad Afzal and Shahid Zafar, had been handed over to the police on Thursday night. They appeared before Judicial Magistrate, Nadeem Badar Kazi at 9:30am today and were sent on a five-day physical remand.

The two Rangers personnel had been over the police after advisor to the PM, Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar had held talks with DG Rangers and other officials in Karachi.

DG Rangers Sindh, Major General Ajaz Chaudhry had earlier said that six of the personnel involved in the incident were detained at Jinnah Courts, headquarters of the Rangers. Four others involved in the incident are yet to be handed over to the police.

Shah was shot at point blank range in a public park in an incident filmed live and broadcast on television on Wednesday. Footage of the incident, filmed by an Awaaz TV cameraman, was broadcast repeatedly on local television stations.

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riaz | 13 years ago | Reply @One messed up country: MOVE TO PAKISTAN AND LIVE THERE!! IF YOU LOVE THERE JUSTICE AND POLICE FORCE SO MUCH---- I DID AND BELIEVE ME DOGS GET TREATED BETTER THAN HUMANS THERE .AND I THANK GOD THAT I AM BORN IN BRITAIN. LONG LIVE BRITAIN.

riaz | 13 years ago | Reply @Natasha Suleman: WELL SAID!!!

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riaz | 13 years ago | Reply Pakistan is a joke country. The way that ranger pointed the gun at that innocent man. If they were that eager 6 against one then they should be given a posting in Taliban country, then they can act hard with some proper hard brothers. God bless Taliban, i bet they would run Pakistan better than whats there right know CLOWNS. Lets find out if there is justice in Pakistan in the forthcoming weeksand months- My answer NO CHANCE, THERE IS NO SUCH WORD AS JUSTICE IN PAKISTAN. Pakistan need house clearing.

Mark | 13 years ago | Reply @One messed up country: When you start to put logic up against that boy's physical actions and general reactions in that tape, you're leaving the reality of the situation and digging into the irrelevant. That's because he was obviously in a panic. You can not be in a panic and be rational/logical at the same time. That's what a panic is. A loss of logic and reason due to unnatural amounts of stress. How much it takes to trigger it depends on the person and circumstances. They're being controlled by the impulsive and erratic. He wasn't given a chance to calm down. There was a constant and escalating threat that kept piling up. I would not be surprised if the person we saw in that tape is not anywhere near the person you would see if it wasn't for them beating the crap out of him, tossing him around and shoving a loaded gun in his face that is in the hands of someone who is a representative of a group that is well known for pulling that trigger.

Mark | 13 years ago | Reply @ruff: Don't talk about what you don't know. I have yet to see a single person actually say something about how the legal system in America works and actually be correct. They all sound just like you. It's funny how you all hate America. Whenever I see negative comments and articles about America the only true thing that can be applied to them is: you guys hate it for reasons that don't even exist. Come on, we're flawed enough for you guys to choose things that are actually true. Stop being lazy. The country all of you describe in the hate talk doesn't even exist anywhere on the planet.

Abdul-Mughis Rana. | 13 years ago | Reply @Amir: @Asadullah: shame on you two appears to be Muslim by name where are your manners gone if you don't care about Islam as is quite apparent!!! Why worry to get to know esp in this manner??

One messed up country | 13 years ago | Reply I'm glad you agree with me to an extent, unlike everyone else, who seem to think every person killed unlawfully is innocent. I mean, the kid was wrongly killed - how many of us have thought about what he himself was doing wrong? However, like you said, Rangers are trained shooters, so there was no need for the kid to 'put the rifle's aim down'. Had he stopped arguing about whether he was 'majboor' or not, and lay down, the outcome would have been much different. Many people feel he would have been mentally unstable while surrounded by 6 Rangers. I think of the people who were mentally unstable when this kid pointed that fake gun at their faces. I'm not saying the Rangers dealt with the situation correctly. I'm just saying people in Pakistan are never satisfied. Had this guy been arrested, he'd have been set free in no time like the others. We'd just be back to square one then - except that he'd be more confident, having seen the poor legal system in the country first-hand. As for the emergency shoot on sight that you talk about.. http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=5336&Cat=13&dt=4/16/2011

Mr. Saleem Siddiqi | 13 years ago | Reply @One messed up country: I fully agree with your wite up except when you mentioned that the kid wanted to snatch Ranger's rifle. The video clearely shows that he was not but was trying to put the rifle's aim down so that it may not be fired even by mistake. Rangers are supposed to be sharp shooters and in the presence of 6 fully armed persons like them, it is unlikely that he would dare do that mistake. The crux of the drama should have been ended peacefully if the Rangers would have aimed the kid at his legs as suggested by you. People cannot be just killed in action because they tried to rob someone. There is no such emergency which says SHOOT AT SIGHT is this is so, we must lock our Judiciary (biased or un-biased) and give all the administrative powers to Rangers and Police and declare our Law as LAW OF JUNGLE. I wish Islamic Laws would have been strictly implemented in Pakistan (in letter and spirit) such as in Saudi Arabia where the crime rate is only 0.005% as the culprits know if they will be caught stealing, their hand will be cut. Regards Dr. Saleem Siddiqi Johannesburg - South Africa

Nadtar | 13 years ago | Reply @ one messed up country What I presume from your posts is that " Killing a criminal right away is better than to prosecute him" and we all should be happy that there is one less criminal on streets". The two criminals you pointed out in your posts were muggers who robbed people and muggers deserve death !!! Wow.. Don't you think you are an extremist in your thoughts? How can you be different than Taliban who can kill a person right away on a street without giving him a chance of a fair trial. For your statement "Would you rather have these criminals be arrested, set free in 2 days, and return to mugging and terrorising people? ", my reply is "Yes, we rather have them free than dead". Life is precious and a civil mind can not allow this kinda approach towards criminals and specially for those who are minors and not involved in horrific crimes. Intolerance is taking us nowhere except hell. If we keep promoting intolerance in our society then where we are gonna end up? Instead of condemning the brutality from Rangers you are blaming the deceased for the "toy gun" and "lunging over" etc, seriously how can you justify their horrific actions???? We adore western countries for their peaceful living but we don't love and respect a human life as much as they do. Today we desperately need to respect and care for a human life otherwise nobody will be able to save us.

One messed up country | 13 years ago | Reply @ruff, @Natasha Suleman, @Salman You guys can criticize me all you want, but the fact is, that kid was guilty. Why do you think he had a toy gun on him in a public place? Why is he shouting "Mein majboor tha" if he wasn't trying to mug someone? Why does he resist arrest and pull on the Ranger's weapon? Had the kid been arrested, he'd have been released within 2 days. All of you would go on and on with your rants about the loopholes in the judicial system here then. Now that the kid's been killed after he admits to a crime, you all are criticizing that too. Are you guys EVER happy? Yes, Rangers did not handle the situation properly - someone should have shot him in the leg while he was pulling the weapon, not a good two seconds after that. But even if they got their method wrong, there's one less person who I'm likely to get mugged by in the city. Great! As for questioning how I'd feel if it was my son we were speaking about.. My son wouldn't be roaming the streets with a toy gun in the first place. Even if he was, and was caught by the authorities, he wouldn't resist arrest - which eventually led to the kid's death. Moreover, I do not support the government or the army. I just feel the country is screwed because of people who're never happy with what's going on. I mean, there's a goddamn criminal who's been killed, and everyone's against the Rangers because of the way they killed him. The same was the case with Raymond Davis - two criminals found with stolen mobile phones - not a single one of you is happy that there's two less people there to rob you. Instead, those killers are labelled Shaheeds and their families are treated like heroes. Why? Because it was an American who killed them. Would you rather have these criminals be arrested, set free in 2 days, and return to mugging and terrorising people?

Zulfi | 13 years ago | Reply I feel really sorry for the guy who got shot but I am also surprised at the CJP ordering the replacement of DG rangers and IG Sindh. Does that mean if a junior judge in a civil or session court does a criminal act, we should start demanding that Chief Justice of Supreme court must resign. And I can point out hundred of cases where miscarriage of justice has been done in Pakistan but CJP never resigned over any of this case. How the hell you are going to blame DG Rangers and IG Sindh for that. If any thing blame, the interior minister and the Sindh provincial government who at first place invited rangers to come and help control law and order situation.

Tariq | 13 years ago | Reply That is absolute nonsense, no one whould have shot this person anywhere, who are you working for the government.@One messed up country:

Tariq | 13 years ago | Reply OMG, I saw the vidio. This is incredible. When is Pakistani public going to fight for their rights against this occupying force of so called security forces

Salman | 13 years ago | Reply @Natasha Suleman: I agree...One messed up...is messed up himself...!! How could one justify the point blank close range shooting of an unarmed man? They were 5-6 of those rangers, and they could'nt overpower him physicaly? what a ridiculous idea..!! What lies at the bottom of all these apologists is that there should be no criticism of people in Wardi...even if they are found committing crimes in broad-day light...its that security paradigm that justifies everything in this country...!! ab qalam maiN lahoo hay siyahee nahee khol utra tumhara to zahir hua PAISHA WAR QATILO, TUM SIPAHEE NAHEE.....(Ahmed Faraz)

Salman | 13 years ago | Reply @One messed up country: you are such a liar...SHAME ON YOU.....the video clearly shows that OTHER 6 RANGERS were encouraging the shooter to "kill & shoot"....they were saying "Maar....maar....maar iss ko..." So, please have some respect for your self. Also, even if Rangers could not control him before shooting, then what was keeping them from taking him to the hospital after he was soooooo badly injured and bleeding.??? they were all standing there watching him begging to be taken to the hospital?? I am sorry to be harsh, but its people like you who justify any act of brutality comitted by people in uniform. Which Pakistan these People Uniform want to save? A Pakistan without any living soul? They kill people in the name of saving the country and they dont want anyone to criticize them because they are the saviours of the country? But can there be a country without people???? What if it was your son who was murdered like this?

ruff | 13 years ago | Reply @ one messed up country and Uza, this isnt he USA where you shoot someone for holding down the weapons barrell. Firstly he wasnt lunging, secondly hear the audio. Stop watching cheap tv stations. The audio tells us that shoot orders were given first after which the boy held the barrell down and said dont shoot me and begged. Even in other countries where criminals are shot they are given an order first. when was it said "on the ground" or "get in the van" or even "hands up". He was disarmed. They shouldve kicked or beaten him up like they beat everyone on the roads and shoved him in the van. People like you who justify our forces no matter what make us sick.

M | 13 years ago | Reply ..Show their faces!!!!!!

waqas | 13 years ago | Reply No sane person will support this heinous act of rangers, but have you dug the complete story? The murderer was looting with a gun , however it was a toy gun but who can have the courage to ask a mugger about the originality of his weapon ? (So the increasing trend in young generation of easy money should be addressed by the media and the government). He was caught because he tried to robe a police family (hi profile, i assume). So that’s why the Rangers came quickly at the location and furious too , because he (the murderer) to loot a police official , who is not a common person. So authorities should heed the matter in its true ambit, so that we can avoid such dismal incidents in future.

Danish Kamal | 13 years ago | Reply These should hanged and set an example for the rest of the ranger and army.

Uza Syed | 13 years ago | Reply @One messed up country: Agree!

MAD | 13 years ago | Reply @naveed: When was the last time a target killer was shot?

Shakir Lakhani | 13 years ago | Reply Not only the Rangers, but civilians working for the army/navy/air force behave as if they're above the law. It's time to show them that we pay their salaries and they should respect the common man. Even if the man was a criminal, there was no justification for killing him. He should have been arrested and sent to jail.

Natasha Suleman | 13 years ago | Reply At comment no. 2. You yourself are one messed up citizen Sir/Ma'am. A messed up human being I'd say.

Adeel | 13 years ago | Reply @One messed up country: yes but then he should have been taken to the hospital as soon as possible...this is normal practice everywhere in the world too!

chotay-Mahraj | 13 years ago | Reply @ one messed Excused me ! he was unarmed and the time he was shot he didnt even has that toy gun in his hand ....when Rangers asked him to sit on the ground he was supposed to obey and thats where he wnet wrong.

Chilli | 13 years ago | Reply Why cover their faces when we watched them on screen hundreds of time. Let them face the people they deserve severe punishment.

naveed | 13 years ago | Reply when 5 innocent men women (1 of them pregant) chechen pilgrims were brutally killed by Police and FC no body raised voice, no one person arrested

naveed | 13 years ago | Reply the point is rangers were given shoot at sight order to serious law breakers few months ago to control street crimes and target killing.. at one point to control crime, Rudy Giuliani mayor of NY also ordered same ,,,

Zarmeena Ikram Babar | 13 years ago | Reply @ sanity stop misleading people please !!!!!

Bilal | 13 years ago | Reply I dont know why they hide their faces?? these type of officials and security persons are also terrorist they should be punished in front of public.

adnan | 13 years ago | Reply if i was the amoung the rangers i would have shot thiss guy when he first lunged at the rifle in the hand of the rangers they moved back and he kept commng at them then one guy shoved him and the other shot him which was slow and shows a lack of profectionalisim may be they hasitated because they saw a young boy or cause they thuoght he was not the enemy what they did wroung was that after shouting him thay should have arranged to get him to a hospital. what remains to be seen is when did thay call for an ambulance and howlong did that take.

Amir | 13 years ago | Reply Why faces are hidden of the culprits.

Faraz | 13 years ago | Reply I agree with Sanity. beneath the cover may be anybody. they shot the teenager in broad daylight, regardless of their faces being shown on National Television, and they should be taken into courts the same way. In addition to what Mr. Asadullah said, I suggest the mullah's / molvi's should come up and shed some light on this, in the light of Islam.

Ali | 13 years ago | Reply Molvis have nothing to gain from this so they will be dormant. They will come out when there is america involved so they can gain a political advantage....by the way haven't we seen these kinds of remands earlier?

Dr. Saleem Siddiqi | 13 years ago | Reply There is one Association in Karachi SPCA (Society for prevention Cruelty to Animals). Blood has become thin and no value of life whatsoever. Time has come that we must form an Association called SPCH (Society for prevention Cruelty to Humans) to tackle such and all similar issues. Thanks to Tribune and Awaz TV for capturing such gruosome moments which should be enough to hang such criminal in our Rangers / Police. Regards Dr. Saleem Siddiqi Johannesburg South Africa

WAQAS | 13 years ago | Reply Not good act of Pak rangers Shame on ur recent activites

Mustafa Kamal | 13 years ago | Reply Osama, PNS Mehran, Quettea shooting, Saleem Shahzad Murder, Karachi Rangers Killing and many more to expect when your leaders of every institution are...............

Hahahah | 13 years ago | Reply Another drama...who know .....who is behind cover.....covering their faces doesn't mean...they are the true culprits.....they must be without cover..so that the nation see the justice as they did in front of road/public. drama, drama, drama.....makeing the so called nation stupied...hahaha

Asadullah | 13 years ago | Reply where are the molvi's on this

SamosaPlate | 13 years ago | Reply Rangers handed over to Police, what kind of news are appearing now? This is going to be like teeth-less Bear vs Bloodhound dogs

One messed up country | 13 years ago | Reply A 19 year old carries a toy gun around town, uses it to loot people, admits to it by saying "mein majboor tha", and when caught, lunges at a Rangers' gun. So, what's wrong with that again? He'd get shot in pretty much any other country if he attempted to grab a policeman's weapon..

sanity | 13 years ago | Reply The face is hidden...who knows its the real persons underneath?

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