Youths protest against democracy

Published: February 21, 2011
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The protesters at Liberty roundabout make their demands. PHOTO: EXPRESS/SHAHBAZ MALIK

The protesters at Liberty roundabout make their demands. PHOTO: EXPRESS/SHAHBAZ MALIK

LAHORE: Some 150 youths gathered at the Liberty roundabout on Sunday in a protest organised via social networking site Facebook, to demand that Pakistan scrap its democratic political system and replace it with an “Islamic” system of governance.

It was the third consecutive week that Youth 4 Change had organised a protest “against the democratic system and the American hegemony in Pakistan”. The protesters chanted slogans in support of Islam. They held placards and banners denouncing America and in support of Dr Afia Siddiqui, and in support for the protests in Cairo at Tahrir (Liberty) Square.

The protesters demanded the closure of all US embassies and consulates in Pakistan, an end to the war in Afghanistan, that Raymond Davis to be tried under Islamic law, that Dr Siddiqui be released, and that the armed forces of Pakistan obey Allah and the Holy Prophet (pbuh) and unite the Muslim Ummah under one caliph.

Junaid Khan, an engineering student at the National University of Science and Technology, said the protest was meant to push for change. “In Pakistan, democracy and dictatorship have been tried and failed. Now it is time to bring in an Islamic system. That is the only way for Pakistan to progress,” he said.

Farooq Qazi, who works in advertising, said it was time for Pakistan to stand up to America and protect its sovereignty.

He said that Raymond Davis case was not the core issue between the two countries, but that Pakistan was dependent on the US for aid.

He said that the Islamic system had been shown to work over the last 1,300 years. “Islam provides policies for all kinds of business. It cares for the rich and the poor,” he said.

Qazi added that there were a lot of misconceptions about Islam as a violent religion, but it was actually quite caring. “We should try an Islamic system,” he said.

Published in The Express Tribune, February 21st, 2011.

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Reader Comments (209)

  • Feb 21, 2011 - 12:20PM

    How idiotic are these little boys?? Egyptians and Tunisians fought for the same thing these idiots made a silly facebook page against: DEMOCRACY!

    All those years of Islamiat brainwashing and Zaid Hamid’s ratta of Pak Studies and internet conspiracy theories have raised a band of mediocre hypocritesRecommend

  • Faisal
    Feb 21, 2011 - 12:38PM

    Fully agree, we need a Caliphate, It will make Pakistan a strong country.Recommend

  • Abdullah
    Feb 21, 2011 - 12:58PM

    what exactly is an islamic system? Recommend

  • SomeGuy
    Feb 21, 2011 - 1:32PM

    If the educated youth in our country are so ignorant what hope is there?Recommend

  • Farooq Qazi
    Feb 21, 2011 - 1:33PM

    I would request Mr. Ali Ahsan to be there at the Liberty Roundabout (Soon to be renamed as Tahrir square, and I’m sure you know the meaning of Tahrir as well as Liberty)

    We can discuss about the solutions you can provide. We don’t want to discourage discussion and debate, provided that it’s based on an ideology. Capitalism, Communism, Socialism and Dictatorship are the ideologies that we have tried since the last 63 years. Islam is an Ideology and we have the right to ask for it as per the freedom of speech that is much talked about.

    Secondly, the absence of Islam in the system has had its repercussions and has damaged us. You missed out the banners written in Arabic at Cairo’s Tahrir Square. Which clearly were once mentioned as the fear for the west on a BBC report when a youngster translated it for them. Since then the camera avoided those banners. This is what is knows as a Media Blockade.

    Let’s meet at the Liberty Roundabout on the 6th of March at 3:00 PM and discuss.Recommend

  • Feb 21, 2011 - 2:56PM

    Mashallah :)

    Only Khilafah is the solution for pakistanis and all muslims in this world.
    Mr Ali Ahsan is only from minority which are affected by western culture…Recommend

  • Ali Naqvi
    Feb 21, 2011 - 3:08PM

    Farooq Qazi is right.And i think every Muslim should have desire to adopt Islam as nazam-e-hayat its really nice to see this from educated young Muslims not from mulas…
    Inshallah soon you will see a true Islamic state of Pakistan.Recommend

  • Abdur Rehman
    Feb 21, 2011 - 3:30PM

    I completely support this call and would definitely be there on 6th March at 3 PM. Its time for Islam Recommend

  • Tahsfain
    Feb 21, 2011 - 3:55PM

    @Ali Ahsan:
    Do you have any better solution?Do you know anything about Islamic systems??
    Don’t put arrogant comments if you never bothered to read about Islamic Systems.Islam is the system that threats Capitalism,Communism.We have tried your humane systems of democracy and Dictator ship and look where are we? If you want to debate about compatibility of Islamic system,I’m happy to entertain you. Tashfain@gmail.comRecommend

  • Tahsfain
    Feb 21, 2011 - 3:57PM

    @Abdullah:
    Dear Abdullah the real system of Islam is of CALIPHATE.We have experienced this system for 1400 years in Muslim world and it was abolished by Ata Turk in Turkey during 1924.Just after its abolishment,Muslims started to suffer and still suffering in every corner of world.If you want more discussions PM me at tashfain@gmail.comRecommend

  • Tahsfain
    Feb 21, 2011 - 3:59PM

    @SomeGuy:
    Calling for Islam is ignorant!!!!!!!!! oh I think you are the Phd is disguise and your wonderful Democracy has got us to annihilation.
    Its not We the youth who are ignorant,its the people who think that Islam cant solve the issues and isn’t Compatible in modern world.Recommend

  • Adeel Naeem
    Feb 21, 2011 - 4:00PM

    We are living in fascinating times!

    What could be better then the system brought to us by Rasul SAW?

    What could be better then to struggle for it’s implementation?

    Everyone, everyone of us must keep demanding, keep fighting, keep thundering, keep struggling, keep ploughing, until justice is served!

    No justice, no peace!

    @Ali Ahsen: Give this cause the benefit of doubt – These people call for Islam – your Deen, and My Deen – Our Deen!

    May Allah SWT guide the people of the power, to support the call of these youths! Ameen!Recommend

  • BushraS
    Feb 21, 2011 - 4:08PM

    Seriously. I have numerous questions: Do these young ones even know the kind of divisions there are in Islam? Since every faction within Islam has its own set of rules, what kind of Islamic law do they want in the country? Will the Shias, Sunnis, Barelvis, Deobandis accept one caliphate? Who will step in if the political parties are dismantled and caliphate system is installed? Isn’t caliphate another form of dictatorship?
    I am curious: do they agree with the Taliban-, Saudi- or the Khomeni-style of governance in Pakistan, both of which have been extremely oppressive and have impeded free thought and speech.
    It is good to be idealistic, but when you bring religion to politics, you’re playing with fire. The Taliban should have taught us a lesson by now. Recommend

  • Feb 21, 2011 - 4:11PM

    @Ali Ahsan….Brother yes Khilafat is our solution inshaALLAH
    For you i have written few lines
    Liberty from tyrants
    Liberty from sold giants
    Enough of the slavery
    Its time for bravery
    How many Raymonds you will release
    Khilafah is cure to this disease
    Its call for solution
    Lets connect with Revolution!!!!

    Brother if we are idiots then who are they looting and corrupting Pakistan since 63 years ?
    If our brains are washed then what about the brains who are hijacking the ideology of Pakistan which is La Ilaha Ilalah Muhammad Ur Rasul Lullah
    We do not belong to Zaid Hamid, any religious or political group…we belong to that youth of Pakistan who have promised to lead Pakistan out of this slavery and inshaALLAH towards eternal bliss…This era will witness soon Islam becoming the ideology of whole Ummah and revival of Khilafat in 21st century. Time for you to stand whether with us or on a supposedly safe side of liberals and seculars…Best RegardsRecommend

  • Faraz
    Feb 21, 2011 - 4:12PM

    The way to success is the way of Khilafah,Ensha ALLAH. Pakistan have the opportunity to begin the greater cause for ummah & the solution to the humanity.Recommend

  • Mahmoud
    Feb 21, 2011 - 4:15PM

    Export Quality for Iran. Recommend

  • Feb 21, 2011 - 4:22PM

    Maybe this is the problem with Pakistan’s English medium education system, it doesn’t teach you to recognise cognitive dissonance.Recommend

  • Feb 21, 2011 - 4:25PM

    Wow, they want Pak Army to bring in the Caliphate, MQM wants brave generals to bring in revolution, PPP says Army is on the side of democracy. It must be great to feel so wantedRecommend

  • Nabeel Zuberi
    Feb 21, 2011 - 4:28PM

    This is precisely what America is afraid off; young educated people calling the army to replace the democratic system with the Islamic system (Caliphate), thus ensuring that no corrupt leaders come in power to fulfill the interests of America, rather live united under a caliph who will serve the interests of Islam and Muslims or face true accountability.Recommend

  • Syed Adeel Naqi
    Feb 21, 2011 - 4:31PM

    I support this call for change!

    With love,
    From Saudi Arabia!Recommend

  • Arslan
    Feb 21, 2011 - 4:39PM

    I Fully Agree that KHILAFAH is the system of Islam..We LOVE ISLAM and workers and youth of Lahore who Organised this….Thumbs up for All who gathered there.Recommend

  • Feb 21, 2011 - 4:51PM

    If I maybe so bold to ask: Who will the Khalifa be? How will this person be chosen? What safeguards will there be to ensure that power isn’t abused? How will legislation be passed in this system?

    Also, love this bit, “the armed forces of Pakistan [should] obey Allah and the Holy Prophet (pbuh) and unite the Muslim Ummah under one caliph.” So, basically we want a massive war around the Islamic world? Nice.Recommend

  • Nabeel Zuberi
    Feb 21, 2011 - 4:56PM

    I fully support the call for the Khilafah, and would love to see democracy being replaced by the Islamic system which allows true accountability and looks after the interests of the Muslims as opposed to the interests of AmericaRecommend

  • Junaid Alam
    Feb 21, 2011 - 5:01PM

    For those who don’t understand the “Islamic System of Governance”, here is a very basic rule about it: To contest a governing position, one has to prove with one’s history and track-record that one has been and will be competent and fair in his duties. This means we need a system to allow only able individuals to come forward and not just those who have power and a fake graduation degree.. Now, the adherents of democracy decide for themselves, the system they see now in Pakistan is better or the system that they despise only for being “Islamic”..

    I wonder, such unreasonable secular fanaticism is the vogue these days among even the educated people! Why don’t they reach their own conclusions but borrow the ones that are in fashion..?

    I request all of the advocates of reason and sensibility to think in an unbiased way.. and tell us, which one is a better system.. Khilafah stands the best!Recommend

  • Hadeed
    Feb 21, 2011 - 5:12PM

    This is the youth of Pakistan delivering a message to the apologists for the Western borrowed flawed systems. I like! There is hope in this nation!

    The prophecy of the Prophet (PBUH) for the return of Islam via the Caliphate is an inevitable reality that cannot be stopped or denied. The sooner the people in the corridors of power and activists calling for other sham systems realize this and rally behind the Prophet’s call, the better!

    You have my support! May Allah be with you!Recommend

  • Hadeed
    Feb 21, 2011 - 5:16PM

    This is the youth of Pakistan delivering a message to the apologists for the Western borrowed flawed systems. I like! There is hope in this nation!
    The prophecy of the Prophet (PBUH) for the return of Islam via the Caliphate is an inevitable reality that cannot be stopped or denied. The sooner the people in the corridors of power and activists calling for other sham systems realize this and rally behind the Prophet’s call, the better!
    You have my support! May Allah be with you!Recommend

  • Sarfraz
    Feb 21, 2011 - 5:28PM

    Nice job guys. May Allah reward you all for your stand and give you patience to face the ‘privileges’ that come with this struggle.Recommend

  • Junaid Alam
    Feb 21, 2011 - 5:36PM

    To the question that there are many factions in Islam, people should study Islamic jurisprudence and they will find that there are almost no differences in different schools Islamic fiqh, apart from some very personal kind of matters of a Muslim.

    To the question if it is another form of dictatorship or oppressive: people should keep in mind that Khalifah has no impunity, no exemption from law and no right to even legislate.. he is always open to accountability in its true sense. He has to be, and is bound to be, a guardian of his people.

    To the question of legislation: that is the things that scholars will do with consensus, and according to contemporary interpretations of Qur’an and Sunnah. Remember friends, “Al Hukm u Lillah”.. Allah has already legislated the law; it only is to be interpreted in the light of contemporary issues as they arise.Recommend

  • Farooq Qazi
    Feb 21, 2011 - 5:49PM

    @ BushraS & Kalakawa:

    I understand the concerns and questions that you have raised. Its a common mis perception. And its not our fault. The education system did not let us understand Islam’s true achievements in history and kept it away from our books and the knowledge base. All these questions have an answer. But before getting into the details, one must understand that the call is an obligation upon all Muslims all over the world. From 632 AD to 1923, Islam was the dominant and the recognized super power in the world. Not just by merely a force to reckon with, but with the intellect and the modernism. All the sectarian differences are merely minor differences. Deobands, Brelvis, Shias and Sunnis have all been there for a long period and all pledged their allegiance to the caliph. There was one Ameer of the Ummah and the Muslims were in the forefront in the fields of science and technology, in education, in law and order, in administration, in distribution of wealth and economics, in agriculture. And to an extent that the entire west monarchy used to send their children to our universities to get higher education. What a Muslim must understand is that the presence of an Ameer upon the ummah is an obligation and one has to take it up as an obligation and strive for it. The systems of governance that Islam has clearly jotted down exist and are the most practical solutions to the common and complex problems that we face today. Not just as Muslims but also as Humans. The rights that a woman has in Islam cannot be guaranteed by any other religion or ideology anywhere in the world. The state of minorities in our country is despicable. The rights of minorities have been ripped apart like a dead carcass. And its only the true Islamic system of governance that provides the minorities with their due rights. The rights that around 200000 Jews enjoy in Iran and which is hidden from the media or maybe they just turn away their eyes from it. Systems of Judiciary, Economics, Foreign Policy, Education system and Governance are present in such detail that its just a matter of days to completely implement the so powerful and transparent system that has the highest level of obedience and accountability.

    Salat (Namaz) is an obligation. Its acceptance is Gods will and benevolence and He alone is the forgiving. I dont know if my Namaz is being accepted by God or not. But that does not mean I give up my prayers now does it? I will not let go of my obligations.

    The struggle will continue. And it will go on. Its like a train departing a station. It is going to leave. The choice is whether you want to sit on the platform and see it leave for the journey towards the destination or want to jump in on the train to get there.Recommend

  • Pakistani
    Feb 21, 2011 - 6:01PM

    oh well, Caliphate, yeah sure – but just one question, Will it be a Sunni Caliphate, or a Shia Caliphate, or a Deobandi Caliphate, or a Barailwee one?

    Once you decide on that, we can decide on if it will be a Punjabi, Sindhi, Pushto or Balochi one?

    Who exactly you think can be the next Khalifah? Zaid Hamid, ofcourse yeah. Will we have a selection process for the first Khalifah? or will it just rise out of nowhere? who will be the next Khalifah even? son of the first one? we already have that system more or less, don’t we?

    Grrr. early in the morning confusion.

    While the world is fighting for democracy, our youth thinks to go against the wind altogether. Recommend

  • Lakhkar Khan
    Feb 21, 2011 - 6:36PM

    Pakistan, being an ideological state can only be saved through Islamic system. Our hypocritic nature with our ideology has led the nation into the hot waters. Even the Indians say if this was your system, then why did you divided mother india? The so-called democrats have sold the nation. The current system is different from the previous one in a way that this time many people have sold us to the US. Before it was only Musharraf and his lobby.
    All of us know that we are still slaves and need independence. One can understand the severity of situation by just following the Davis example. An American killer who killed two Pakistanis in broad day light, has changed the Foreign minister of our so-called great fortress of Islam and has shaken the countrys politics. Recommend

  • CHICKKEN TIKKA
    Feb 21, 2011 - 7:08PM

    Only one question. what ever mess you want inside Pakistan you can choose. But to unite the ” Muslim Ummah” under one caliphate, who gave you the mandate? Do you think Kuwait or Dubai willing to be one caliphate with Pakistan ? Or Even Saudi or Iraq for that matter? May be Somalia or/ and Algeria may consider this as an option. What about the remaining Ummah? Military option? Pakistan is too small for that.
    Ha Ha Nice dream. Recommend

  • Suleman
    Feb 21, 2011 - 7:22PM

    Pakistani, the current divisions are due to the democratic system that creates a sectarian divide as witnessed throughout the world where ever democracy is implemented from U.K, U.S.A to India. However people of different opinions co-existed throughout the 1400 years including non Muslims. I would recommend that you read authentic Islamic history not the ones propagated by the west and implemented by our corrupt rulers.1400 years of Islam versus 100 odd years of democracy you study for yourself.Recommend

  • Shariq
    Feb 21, 2011 - 7:24PM

    MashAllah, the call for Khilafah is growing louder. I fully support and encourage everyone to own and advocate this call for Khilafah.Recommend

  • Ahmed
    Feb 21, 2011 - 7:27PM

    Khilafat or No Khilafat ? Fundamentalist Vs Liberals ? Eastern Culture Vs Western Culture ? These all differences are more or less comes under the same Umberala Islamist Vs not so Islamist.. If you think closely democracy is not the real issue, In Pakistan people are always divided into two classes one who wants to follow the religion and one who really don’t care. The elite class of our country falls into the second category, and now somewhat middle class is also becoming part of it due to the influence of westernized culture that is so strongly promoted on our media, like a 24 hour injection. Under such a division a movement that focuses on one group of people cannot succeed, but yes these kind of movements can be effective if the goals are common to everyone : Justice, Peace, harmony and sovereignity …Recommend

  • Salman
    Feb 21, 2011 - 7:32PM

    @Pakistani

    If the Khalifah orders electricity, petrol, and gas to be sold at cost, would you mind his sect? If he removes GST and income tax, and taxes the super rich, would you mind if he has a long, short, or no beard at all? If he rids the society of corruption and terrorism, would you mind if he wears a suit & tie or a tucks his shalwaar above his ankles? I bet most of us won’t! Get the point??? If not, let me state that if it REALLY is a Caliphate, then the Khalifah’s beliefs do not really matter, because it’s a system of governance that we’re calling towards. What matters is what is implemented, and how people’s problems are solved. How the Khalifah prays or appears is irrelevant.

    Please don’t connect us with Zaid Hamid – we all know who he is and where his strings are pulled from.Recommend

  • Hadeed Ali
    Feb 21, 2011 - 7:39PM

    I like! This is the youth of Pakistan delivering a message to the apologists for the Western borrowed flawed systems. There is hope in this nation!
    The prophecy of the Prophet (PBUH) for the return of Islam via the Caliphate is an inevitable reality that cannot be stopped or denied. The sooner the people in the corridors of power and activists calling for other sham systems realize this and rally behind the Prophet’s call, the better!
    You have my support! May This is the youth of Pakistan delivering a message to the apologists for the Western borrowed flawed systems. I like! There IS hope for this nation!
    The prophecy of the Prophet (PBUH) for the return of Islam via the Caliphate is an inevitable reality that cannot be stopped or denied. The sooner the people in the corridors of power and activists calling for other sham systems realize this and rally behind the Prophet’s call, the better!
    You have my support! May Allah be with you!Recommend

  • Irfan
    Feb 21, 2011 - 7:48PM

    We definitely support the call for Khilafah and those who are few in number and Allah knows who they represent and ask for more of this democracy plz WAKE UP!!!!Recommend

  • paki
    Feb 21, 2011 - 7:55PM

    khilafat is the main reason of muslims downfall.its not the system of prophet muhammad pbuh.kindly give me reasonable proofs that khilafa is the system introuduced by prophet pbuh.kindly provide name of any recognized university built during khilafat.what good we got from khilafat?
    what good 1200/1300 years of khilafat gives us.
    stop braging guys…….Recommend

  • Feb 21, 2011 - 8:27PM

    I am delighted to see the youth today acting like this…
    1400 years ago Prophet PBUH brought a religion which is a complete code of life.. including the political system too.. Once Allah swt revealed the Ayah that Islam has been revealed completely then its quite obvious that Islam gives complete answers to the questions raised by Pakistani, Kalakawa, Bushra.. Quran states solemnly that The religion Islam is applicable for the entire humanity at any time in any century whether it be the 50th century.. till the World lasts Islam is the complete solution for everyones life.. Atleast as a muslim we should be shameful to act so arrogantly in response of a divine call for Khilafah! We as muslims dont know what our Prophet PBUH gave us.. Its simple like this:
    Do you three people think that the religion which gives you the directions to enter a toilet, to enter a place and all other small matters of life would not give to answers to the big questions you raise? I think its quite unrealistic to think this way..
    So please Youth4change welcome you on all sorts of such questions.. and Alhumdullilah we have satisfying answers for your common questions..
    Join our circle for the answers!Recommend

  • shazeb
    Feb 21, 2011 - 8:35PM

    @ Pakistani, on declaration of hajatul wida it was officialy announced by prophet that the deen the deen completed at that day and he has chosen islam as a code of life for ummah. now as per my knowledge, there was no sunni or shia uptill that day.every one was a muslim.
    means that who so ever talks about the true islam, it means neither shia nor sunni. just muslimRecommend

  • Yasir
    Feb 21, 2011 - 8:45PM

    It will be a Muslim Khilafah. full stop. Khaleefah is elected, accountable and representative.
    By the way the demo is not done by any Zaid Hamid follower. Its by students.

    The world is annihilated by democracy which is nothing but the political face of capitalism..
    Take the example of India (a country with same history as same date of birth). In India where despite
    1) Independant Election commision
    2) Independant supreme Court
    3) Uninterupted democracy
    4) Strong roots of democracy
    5) No group that disown democracy in contrast to many people who do not hold democracy dear
    6) No military general taking over power

    60% of Mumbai lives in slums (the world largest slum), more than 2.17 lac farmers commit suicide between 1998 to 2010 because of loans and 2004 parliment have 143 MLA having corruption, murder, kidnaping cases while 2008 election returning 153 MLA’s with same cases and social condition not better than Pakistan.

    So with the passage of time and “maturing” of democracy, more corrupt people reach parliment (not less) as advocated by democracts. [This is your last remaining arguments for supporting democracy by the way]

    And you are well aware that Europe and US are no different despite the facade of development (direct result of colonalisation and neo colonalisation NOT democracy).

    YasirRecommend

  • ahmed
    Feb 21, 2011 - 9:01PM

    To ALL THOSE WHO SAY DEMOCRACY IS BETTER:

    Democracy isn’t the Islamic way of government.. Get a history review everyone!

    Khilafat was the most successful way of governence and it was vanished from the face of the earth by non-muslim propaganda by naming it unfair autocratic system where people don’t have a say in the government, well actually they do! Only Islamic laws in Quran are kept supreme and are always followed.

    PEOPLE U NEED TO WAKE UP. SINCE THE INDEPENDENCE NAME ONE DEMOCRATIC LEADER WHO ACTUALLY LEAD PAKISTAN AS AN INDEPENDENT ISLAMIC STATE.. THE ANSWER IS NONE! So does that show the current system of governance in Pakistan as a successful one or a failed one? you decide..Recommend

  • zubair
    Feb 21, 2011 - 9:02PM

    i totally agree with PAKISTANI…what do they mean by khlifah ?? if tmrw zardari says that i m changing the name of of my post the president of pakistan will now be called khalifah… and i nominate my son as the next khalifah and so on….
    so they will be happy with that since that will be a khlifah system wont it beRecommend

  • ahmed
    Feb 21, 2011 - 9:04PM

    And Junaid bhai has said the Perfect thing above, to explain the khilafat governence.Recommend

  • saad
    Feb 21, 2011 - 9:06PM

    This is heartening news. We are going forward to Islamic Caliphate .I congratulate these youths. The prophecy of PBUH about Ghazwa-e-Hind will be the next news. I am sure the Pure people of Pakistan will lead muslim ummah.Recommend

  • Junaid Manzoor
    Feb 21, 2011 - 9:12PM

    All those who want khilafat should go to Waziristan. Go there and get a taste of what you want. BTW do read “real” history of your so called Khilafat.Stupid…Recommend

  • Red Sky
    Feb 21, 2011 - 9:15PM

    @Pakistani: Kindly change your nick from Pakistani to Ignorant. You should read the whole structure and procedure of Caliphate. In Pakistan almost 180 million people lives….we are not blind to choose Khalifah or Ameer out of them. @Ali Ahsan: Youth are more educated than the Parliamentarians of today. They are not little boys …they are mature enough than you and other ignorants. Islam is the only solution to save this country and the people of Pakistan. Quran and Sunnah are the supreme law…Law made by the fake degree holders are unacceptable. The only solution for the people of Pakistan is Khilafah System. Democracy is the system of Kuffar given by the western regime. Democracy asa kuffar also declared by Quran and Sunnah, kindly read Quran and Sunnah before commenting n favor of Democracy. Congratulations to those who took the first step and also to the Express Tribune who are the first to published it positively.Recommend

  • Pakistani
    Feb 21, 2011 - 9:36PM

    I don’t say democracy is better, I agree Islam does not have any factions – What I say is, it is impossible to get ‘Pakistani’ muslims under a single khilafat rule. The Prophet SAW did say that Islam is completed, but we kind of mis heard it or something. Our Islam changes every day. Getting a Khilafah at this moment of time, will be more like introducing a guerilla war of some sort. I don’t disagree with the requirement of Khilafa as I think that is the only way to contain the hypocrite Pakistanis – Force the law on them, rather expecting them to follow the law. BUT, to make that happen, the first step would be to make them believe that a shia is as good as a muslim, as a deobandi, or a barelwi – and I don’t see that happening soon.

    Hence, this movement/revolution is just too immature as far as pre requisites are concerned.Recommend

  • Shariq
    Feb 21, 2011 - 9:39PM

    I believe, if youth continue this effort. Soon this debate to ditch democracy, and establishing Khilafah will be talk of the town.Recommend

  • Ahmed Waheed
    Feb 21, 2011 - 9:55PM

    Why must everything be Islamic in Pakistan? We have had enough of it. No we have not tried democracy yet and most people in pakistan do NOT want Islamic system in Pakistan.

    We want to be free. Free to dress and pray the way we want without anyone enforcing their morals on us.Recommend

  • Mutahhir Dogar
    Feb 21, 2011 - 9:58PM

    Farooq Qazi..
    I totally agree with u people..
    and announce that v (100 people) are with you..
    i belong to a magazine .. and v all need change..

    please let me know ur facebook page..

    to be updated..
    thanxRecommend

  • Abdul
    Feb 21, 2011 - 10:03PM

    Reading all those sadly delusional comments, I feel sorry for Pakistan, heading straight to the 7th century.
    Let’s adopt an islamic government and we’ll be there soon enough.
    The modern world is already looking at us with pity because of our primitive, backwards mindsets, they live several centuries ahead of us, in almost all regards…
    We are suffering a huge civilisation lag because of religion, and it’s not going to get better anytime soon with such delusional appreciations of the situation.
    Let’s have a look at the silliest statements issued by pro-khalifah people :
    “Islam is the system that threats Capitalism,Communism.”
    “the ideology of Pakistan which is La Ilaha Ilalah Muhammad Ur Rasul Lullah”
    “unreasonable secular fanaticism”
    “Western borrowed flawed systems”
    “means that who so ever talks about the true islam, it means neither shia nor sunni. just muslim”

    If you don’t understand what is silly in those quotes… it probably means that religion suits you too.Recommend

  • Ghulam Mustafa Mubashar
    Feb 21, 2011 - 10:05PM

    Very simple as a Muslim its obligation on me to drive all the orders from Islam. I have nothing ahead from Islam. If no body is following the truth then too truth remain truth. So either 150 youth are calling for Khilafah or billions the truth is “Islamic System” and its name is “Khilafah”. Now if any body ask whom khilafah then it would “Muslims” Khilafah. When you call for democracy ever its being asked whom democracy? Khilafah is a ruling system not a prayer system in which there are differences. Khilafah is not about Zaid Hamid, Hizbul Tahrir its about Iman.Recommend

  • Sahar
    Feb 21, 2011 - 10:06PM

    @zubair:
    The Khilafah (Caliphate) is a general leadership over all Muslims in the world. Its responsibility is to implement the laws of the Islam system and convey the Islamic Message to the rest of the world.

    The Khilafah ruling system bears no resemblance to any of the governments in the Muslim world today. Although many commentators and historians have tried to interpret the Khilafah within existing political frameworks, it is in fact a unique political system.

    The Khaleefah (Caliph) is the head of state in the Khilafah. He is not a king or dictator but an elected leader whose authority to rule must be given willingly by the Muslims through a special ruling contact called baya. Without this baya he cannot be the head of state. This is completely opposite to a king or dictator who imposes his authority through coercion and force. The tyrant kings and dictators in the Muslim world are ample examples of this, imprisoning and torturing the Muslims and stealing their wealth and resources.

    This contract of baya stipulates that the Khaleefah must be just and rule the people by sharia. He is not sovereign and cannot legislate laws from his own mind that suit his personal and family interests. Any legislation he wishes to pass must be derived from the Islamic legal sources through a precise and detailed methodology called ijtihad. If the Khaleefah legislates any law contrary to this or commits oppression against his people, the highest and most powerful court in the State – the Unjust Acts Court (mahkamat muzalim) can impeach the Khaleefah and order his removal from office.

    The Khaleefah has been likened by some to a Pope, who is the Spiritual Head of all Muslims, infallible and appointed by God. This is not the case as the Khaleefah is not a priest. His post is an executive post within the Islamic government. He is not infallible and can make mistakes, which is why many checks and balances exist within the Islamic system to ensure he and his government remain accountable.

    The Khaleefah is not appointed by Allah rather he is elected by the Muslims and assumes authority through the contract of baya. The Khilafah is not a theocracy. Its legislation is not restricted to religious and moral codes that neglect the problems of society. Shari’ah is a comprehensive system that legislates on political, social, economic, foreign policy and judicial matters. Economic progress, elimination of poverty and enhancing the people’s standard of living are all goals the Khilafah will aim to achieve. This is completely opposite to the backward, medieval theocracies founded in Europe during the middle ages where the poor were forced to work and live in squalid conditions in return for the promise of heaven. Historically the Khilafah was an immensely wealthy state with a flourishing economy, high standard of living and a world leader in industry and scientific research for centuries.Recommend

  • Ghulam Mustafa Mubashar
    Feb 21, 2011 - 10:07PM

    @Abdullah:
    Open Quran and Hadith books very clearly you would find outRecommend

  • Mutahhir Dogar
    Feb 21, 2011 - 10:21PM

    @ Farooq Qazi:

    whts the link of ur facebook page?Recommend

  • Osama
    Feb 21, 2011 - 10:26PM

    Excellent! Yes we need Caliphate! We need Islam! Big Big No to democracy and dictatorshipsRecommend

  • Mulla Toofhan
    Feb 21, 2011 - 10:41PM

    Before you get all excited about your Khalifa and nizam-e-Islam
    Stand on your own feet. You guys are surviving on donation by the
    American and the West, without there help your very existences is doubtful
    You have a long way to go before you realize your dream
    Talk is always cheapRecommend

  • Reeba
    Feb 21, 2011 - 10:46PM

    So far all types of governments have failed Pakistan. If you think an Islamic government will resurrect Pakistan and restore glory, you are fools. In the current situation, what will happen is the Wahabism will take over and Pakistan will become another Afganistan. You have proved again and again that moderate islamic voices do not have any voice in Pakistan. All intellectualls and talented people will flee Pakistan. Women will become slaves in their own homes. Science and technology will disappear as open minded thinking will no longer be encouraged. You might say an Islamic state is like Utopia. Many years ago, it might have worked. But not with the current situation in Pakistan. If you focus on improving scientific education, remove corruption, any type of govt will work. First work on the basic necessities needed for a government. Then decide which type of govt you would need.Recommend

  • Umair Arif
    Feb 21, 2011 - 10:54PM

    Brainwashed by the American secular influence are those who oppose the call of Islam.. The Khilafah.. Either you are working for Islam or Against it!Recommend

  • S.Haque
    Feb 21, 2011 - 10:57PM

    Delusional bunch calling for a 7th centuary system. Please go and live in Tora bora caves, behead each other, keep concubines, rape young girls and dream about conquring the whole world to implement the barbaric system.No wonder the the whole civilized world considers them a pain!! Recommend

  • ASQ
    Feb 21, 2011 - 11:16PM

    All systems are man made be it monarchy,democracy,khalafat etc.no system is fool proof.it depends how people use the system.we should be realistic and be open minded.democracy and khalafat are almost same and i support democracy for one simple reason and that is one doesn’t need to kill someone to remove them from office because in democracy we have fixed tenure!!Recommend

  • Shaharyar Najam
    Feb 21, 2011 - 11:22PM

    Its heartening to see people calling towards REAL change for once, and not just change of FACES. We Pakistanis in particular, and the Muslim Ummah in general, have been seeing changes of faces for the past 87 years since the abolishment of the Khilafah. It is about time that this mess that the colonials have left behind (Their system and puppet rulers included), be replaced with the system which is a blessing for all humanity. i.e The Khilafah.Recommend

  • abu amir ali
    Feb 22, 2011 - 12:24AM

    Mashallah !!!

    Only Khilafah is the solution for pakistanis and all muslims in this world.
    Recommend

  • abu amir ali
    Feb 22, 2011 - 12:50AM

    Mashallah !!!

    Only Khilafah is the solution for pakistanis and all muslims in this world.
    I”am from Ukraine.Recommend

  • Feb 22, 2011 - 1:17AM

    Love the fact that most comments on this post are IGNORANT of what democracy, secularism, and politics are about! :)

    Lol…Pakistan ney Islami dunya ki naakamiyon ka theka nahin leh rakha!

    Good luck making all non-Pakistani Muslims accept your brand of religiously motivated idiocy!Recommend

  • Moiz
    Feb 22, 2011 - 1:23AM

    @Yasir and India’s $ 1 trillion economy came from where? not from some caliph. how about China? South Korea? Japan anyone? colonialism and neo colonialism? look at Germany. they used to sell money as toys during WWII. last i saw there weren’t any caliphs there. nor were they a colonial power. as for those who were, it’s been 60 years and they’re still the richest. and the richest Muslim states are either democratic, Malaysia, Turkey, or oil-rich, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrian. those with dictators, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, Lebanon or semi-Islamic governments, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Indonesia are collecting in the dustRecommend

  • PakLeaks
    Feb 22, 2011 - 1:38AM

    The Shameful Hizb-ul-tahrir sponsored drama, planned in Punjab University, with a decision to not show any HT colors. Recommend

  • Ahmed B
    Feb 22, 2011 - 1:44AM

    @Yasir,

    “It will be a Muslim Khilafah. full stop. Khaleefah is elected, accountable and representative.”

    That is democracy, is it not? Call the person in power what you will, Caliph, King or President, the legitimacy for the individual in power comes from the people. That many would argue is the essence of democracy, which one after reading your statement could be left confused regarding what the exact difference is in the system you purpose.

    If a Caliphate is established how to do you propose to keep this person accountable?
    I have read many of the individuals explaining how the system would work, but have yet to find someone providing concrete answers. If anything, some of the descriptions seem like either a democratic system or a monarchy/dictatorship with the world muslim/Islam in front of it. Junaid has attempted to make clear how this system would work by stating that a person of integrity would be selected who has had a good track record, but who decides that this person’s track record is good or bad? Most of the clergymen (malvis) in Pakistan can not see eye to eye when it comes matters pertaining to Islam, whose moral/political/religious standards do you purpose to use to decide the person’s track record?

    He further states “To the question if it is another form of dictatorship or oppressive: people should keep in mind that Khalifah has no impunity, no exemption from law and no right to even legislate.. he is always open to accountability in its true sense. He has to be, and is bound to be, a guardian of his people”… but my the question that is raised in my mind is how? How does he rule then when he doesn’t have power to legislate? What roles does he perform in order to guard his people? How is he (again I reiterate) open to accountability? What mechanisms do you have in place to make sure that Caliph does not abuse the powers bestowed upon him? By saying that he is accountable, by saying that he is bound to be a guardian of his people will not make him so. There needs to be a mechanism.

    Past glories are being pointed to as a reason for the adoption of the Caliphate system, but without a proper understanding of the various nuances of the historical past. There were many Leaders/Empires with Islam as the central faith…but none of the empires had a direct link to one another from the Ummayid, Abbasid, Ayyubid to Ottoman and Safavid (who coexisted at the same time and were constantly battling each other) these are just a few. The all encompassing term of “Islamic Empire” where all empires of who had muslim rulers are lumped into one is a term that was created by Historical Orientalist is rather misleading and does a great disservice to understanding the historical narratives of the various muslims from different parts of the world.

    I too feel frustrated with Democracy, but its the best system we have, it gives people the opportunity to represent their interest, to hold their leaders accountable. Although this system is not giving us that. Let us not just give up on it. There is no such thing as a perfect system, but at least within democracy we can exercise our rights to choose our representatives… which is a great power to have. Recommend

  • Mujtaba Abid
    Feb 22, 2011 - 2:13AM

    NO PLEASE NO !!!!!!
    this is totally ridiculous !
    i think the protesters don’t know what the Islamic rule really means in PAKISTAN !
    and i think i am not wrong if i say that the guy who corrupted millions of Rs in the Hajj case was also a religious person !
    Religious law would mean, compulsory beard, compulsory veil, woman can not work anywhere, all in all mullahs would be ruling us, for whom Islam is just about having a beard and prayers.
    Recommend

  • LASer
    Feb 22, 2011 - 2:37AM

    First get rid of Zardari and his companions then try for caliphate! You are trying to live in a dream world. Get up 180 million population has been fooled by Zardari and chalay khilafat bananay! Ghar se bahir nikalna seekho pehlay. 150 log ikhatay kar ke against democracy revolution lana chah rahay hain! Dimagh larao pehlay koi aisa president lao jo yeh sab kuch karna janta ho us ke baad khilafa ka socho!Recommend

  • Nasir
    Feb 22, 2011 - 2:46AM

    Pakistan is a JokeFest Seriously!

    Do you know why there is no caliphate around at this time? It is because it failed! Do not tell me that Angreezon ney kya tha! How were the angreez able to do it? It was because the system was not able to resist pressure and it had failed. If the system had any merit why would it go away? So you want it to be back again so that you have another chapter in your history books about its failure.

    It is one of the most exploitative system that one could ever imagine and no wonder only Pakistanis can imagine it.Recommend

  • Feb 22, 2011 - 2:53AM

    I am dead sure all those supporting the so called Islamic system of governance would also be the ones who adore Qadri for killing Salman taseerRecommend

  • Lubna
    Feb 22, 2011 - 3:11AM

    @ the Khilafat Movement: Sorry guys, but you have lost the plot! This might have escaped your notice but your kind have actually been proven redundant in the recent uprisings in the muslim world!!
    You’d be better off just calling for an end to the sham feudal democracy in Pakistan and replacing the current leadership with true representatives of the people. Please leave ‘Islam’ out of it, enough people have been fooled in the name of religion. Religion is peoples’ personal business, don’t make a mockery of it any more.Recommend

  • Aqeel
    Feb 22, 2011 - 3:37AM

    okey is this the islamic way to call for khalifa ? can some one provesRecommend

  • rangarh
    Feb 22, 2011 - 3:39AM

    What i dont understand here is the assumption that a system will operate on its own in a fair and impartial way. Systems are run by people and are only as good as the ones running them. How do we expect an Islamic system to work when all the people who are running it are going to be the same? Even according to the current laws the life and property of every citizen is supposed to be guaranteed and you are supposed to have impartial judicial systems. These things did not fail because they were un-islamic. They failed because we as a nation have a shallow moral and civic sense of responsibility. The same systems are working in all the first world and they seem to be doing a lot better than us. What is required is honesty first. Just calling something Islamic is not going to reform it on its own. That will only replace one ruler with another. Recommend

  • Giri
    Feb 22, 2011 - 4:37AM

    Pakistanis believe in a utopian dream. Not a single muslim or scholar has a same view of islam, that i came across and every one says he/she is the right. I am an Indian/Hindu and i approve this message.Recommend

  • Saad
    Feb 22, 2011 - 6:30AM

    Again the crazy mullah brigade and all there supporters. The first day a Kalifah is put in power the second day he will be assassinated by the mullah brigade because he was not from their sect (AKA Kafir). Democratic system was never totally established in Pakistan. It will take time but things will get better. This Kalifah non-sense is never going to happen. The mullah needs to find another salman taseer or veena to vilify methinks they are running on empty right now.Recommend

  • Saeed Khan
    Feb 22, 2011 - 6:46AM

    Alhamdulillah. These youth are calling for the deen of Allah. These are not Muslims who pay mere lipservice to Islam but call for its systems to be implemented in state and society. Khilafah is the solution to Pakistan’s social, economic and security problems. Pakistan has stumbled on since creation and today is on the brink of collapse. Well done these youth. I would call on all Pakistani Muslims to study the system of Allah and reject not just the US but also their rotten system. Recommend

  • Imran Hameed HarraL
    Feb 22, 2011 - 6:54AM

    May Allah bless these youth.Recommend

  • Musaib
    Feb 22, 2011 - 6:55AM

    Khilaph is the only way to escape Pakistan.Recommend

  • Avanti
    Feb 22, 2011 - 7:33AM

    I am an Indian, and a Hindu. Can’t decide what is right for Pakistan, but if RSS and Shiv Sena ever decide on a Hindu system, I’ll be the 1st to fight against it. Democracy, regardless of its flaws, has served us well and that’s where the discussion stops for me as far as India is concerned. It gives us an opportunity to throw bad apples out every 5 years.

    From what I’ve seen, Priests, Pujaris, or Fathers, when it comes to money or power, most of them forget their saint-hoods and behave like ordinary mortals. So, I want to keep the real power with the people, not with an individuals or committees however saintly or religious they may be. Recommend

  • Ahmed
    Feb 22, 2011 - 10:13AM

    These so called youth belong to utopian Khalifah dreaming group Hizbut Tehrir.Recommend

  • Feb 22, 2011 - 10:32AM

    I bet 90 percent of them can’t even define ‘Islamic governance’. This is ridiculous!Recommend

  • M Ali Khan
    Feb 22, 2011 - 10:40AM

    This country’s democracy has been IMPROPER and IMMATURE! why? because the FAUJIS have ruled Pakistan for more than 30 years of its 64 year history! Any intervening period in democracy has NEVER been allowed to properly set in. If you dont like the leaders in power now…well DONT VOTE FOR THEM! Wait another 2 years, and vote for someone else then!

    If you boys want Caliphate, my suggestion is grow a beard, stop wearing jeans, and head off to Waziristan! THAT will be the future of this country if some deluded religiously motivated idiot power system takes over!

    Enjoy getting flogged in public, limbs chopped off, beheaded, and having people like the Sipah-e-Sahaba, JUI, JI, Lashkar Taiba, Taliban etc holding the power in a ‘caliphate’ in Pakistan!

    Your understanding of Islamic history is a JOKE! You forget how many civil wars, bloodshed, corruption, incompetence etc has been involved in your beloved Caliphate! Look how the Sahaba ended up fighting each other when Hazrat Uthman and Hazrat Ali were in power! the Ummayads vs Abbasid civil war, etc etc etc…lol, the Mughals NEVER accepted a Caliph because they were at odds with the Ottomans and Safavids.

    and dont forget, the Ottomans were pretty much finished by the 18th Century, and their survival was only due to the help of Brits, French, and Germans (Crimean War!) to maintain the Sultan at throne just to stop the Russians from taking over and causing separatist movements to tear Europe and Middle East apart! Recommend

  • Feb 22, 2011 - 10:48AM

    This false conservatism among the so-called ‘educated middle classes’ in Pakistan just shows how deluded they are!

    While the Arab World is fighting for FREEDOM, DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS, and EQUALITY to progress and prosper into the 21st Century….we are fighting for the opposite and trying to go back in time in a bygone era we know NOTHING about and are ignorant of the modern world.

    Wake up!Recommend

  • abdullah
    Feb 22, 2011 - 11:12AM

    these r all dreams which will never cme true…..and than ppl will select nominees for caliph from their provinces

    SINDH ………………………ZARDARI
    PUNJAB……………………..NAWAZ
    BALOCHISTAN……………..RAISANI[[[ and many other nominees including bugti tribe leaders]]]

    KP…………………………….WALI AND THE GROUP
    GB……………………………..SUM1 FROM PPP

    so wats the use of publishing such crap in express tribune

    well those want 2 dream its their right ……….go ahead………….Recommend

  • Truckwala
    Feb 22, 2011 - 11:26AM

    I humbly submit my name for the slot of Caliph.Recommend

  • I. Zubeir
    Feb 22, 2011 - 12:15PM

    Khilafat comes later, first Pakistan needs to prepare for the culmination of at least 1-2 generations that were not fed haram, that pray punctually, that is good to others(Huqooq ul ibada) and that is willing to live simple life without imitating westerners who lack a civilization.

    Once all these are mastered and perfected, the birth of Khilafat will automatically occur, but without sincere efforts it is not going to come by.

    I do not say this to degrade the youth, I value their thoughts along this idea but “we” need to move on beyond thoghts and ideas and act in practical sense only then can we accomplish anything of the sort.

    Best wishes
    May Allah bless you with success in establishing the deen in every household and futher, ameen.Recommend

  • I. Zubeir
    Feb 22, 2011 - 12:16PM

    Talk it cheap its time for action.Recommend

  • Farooq Qazi
    Feb 22, 2011 - 12:30PM

    For all those who have questions and are rational and educated people who truly and sincerely want to understand the system of governance as prescribed by the Qur’an and Sunnah are invited to have an open discussion about this.

    For all those concerned people, who feel the pain of the poor and the oppressed, who really want a change and have a question as to how the Khilafah can address the issues of today can join the discussion sessions. These are open discussion sessions and questioning is encouraged as we believe that one question can erase many doubts in many minds.

    Be it the Economics, Education, Social Reform, Judicial System, Defense & Production Policy, Foreign Policy, Administrative Policy, Land reforms, or Agricultural Reform. All questions have solid answers as per authentic evidences from the Qur’an & Sunnah. And also that its an obligation on the Muslim Ummah to have a Caliph at all times.

    For discussions;

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Pakistan-Intellectuals/348207900409

    http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=138693456191842&index=1

    For all those suggesting that the seekers of the divine truth should go to the tribal belt and the tora bora mountains, I suggest to them that they should apply for US & UK Immigration. I’m sure their applications will be entertained and will not be rejected. Live in the system that is for you.

    Thankyou.Recommend

  • Anoop
    Feb 22, 2011 - 12:41PM

    So what Pakistan is saying by not implementing an Islamic system is that the Islamic system is flawed, but why name yourself an Islamic country then? Why Pakistan in the first place? Recommend

  • Omar ud Deen
    Feb 22, 2011 - 12:43PM

    Whatever system we adopt our fate is going to be based on the type of leadership we bring in. Let’s say for argument purposes we do adopt the system where we have a khalipa. Now who is this Khalifa going to be is the bigger question. If the khalifa is going to be elected to begin with won’t this just be another form of democracy which can’t be over ruled later, if so this could give way to more injustice. Recommend

  • Feb 22, 2011 - 12:44PM

    I think we should not neatly divide those who are against and in favor of democracy or khilafat. In countries like Pakistan (and I’m sure in the Middle East too) democracy is equated with Americanism. And if you look at the last couple of decades it is the concept of democracy which has been exploited by the US for its political gains. See how dictators like Musharraf and Zia used it to live up to the expectations of the US. And the reason why these youths are demonstrating against democracy is that they are convinced the ‘democratically elected’ leaders would be puppets in the hands of the US. Disillusioned with democracy they are able to find an alternative in khilafat, no matter how vague and trimmed by pious imagination. But this is how it is. The concept of democracy has been been exploited by none other than those who vouch for it.
    What the intelligentsia should do is to create alternate models and not just stick to the older ones. Khilafat is not possible any more, democracy is not trusted by the masses, at least in theory. Like Plato’s philosopher-king.Recommend

  • AF
    Feb 22, 2011 - 12:50PM

    All those who think they can bring about any system of government, whether it is Islamic, Christian, democratic, communist or a dictatorship are naive to think that just by bringing about a different system there will be a positive change. No matter how perfect one interpretation of the Islamic system may seem to one person, it will seem imperfect to another. To top it all off, our people are corrupt to the roots. How many of us are honest through and through, fair and just, and capable enough to be leaders while being experts in their fields? How many progressive scholars do we have in our midst, and how many Qadris will be ready to kill them in the name of their own conservative views? We are a corrupt and intolerant people and we will make a travesty of the Islamic system because no matter how good the intentions of the people, sooner or later corruption and religious intolerance will take over and plunge us into a religiously fired civil war.Recommend

  • Azeema
    Feb 22, 2011 - 1:01PM

    this is disconcerting… hope not all youth in Pakistan think like them.Recommend

  • Benish
    Feb 22, 2011 - 1:01PM

    This is height of ignorance…. on the same stage people are calling for Egypt like movements and chanting against ‘democracy’ for which Egyptians are actually fighting for… first get your facts right :)Recommend

  • Angelos
    Feb 22, 2011 - 2:09PM

    It is good to know that youth care for Islam, but the main point is: Who will you put at helm in Caliphate? I am not against Caliphate System, but I dont see it working with all the sectarian thing in our country where the people of different sects dont even offer prayers behinds imam of from other sect. Recommend

  • Maq Air
    Feb 22, 2011 - 3:24PM

    @Ali Ahsan Sb,

    I just want to say lol to You.Recommend

  • Feb 22, 2011 - 3:27PM

    @BushraS:
    my thoughts exactly! these are just a bunch of loonies fantasizing about the bygone era. The true motive for them is power. Their demand for the closure of American Embassies and consulates which means ending diplomatic relationships with the US, just shows how weak their cause is. Recommend

  • PK Expat
    Feb 22, 2011 - 3:27PM

    what is wrong with the youth in Pakistan??? Do they even know what they’re asking for? Classic emotionalism just because they’re upset with the current democratically elected leaders. Well you are a part of democracy, exactly what you would be proposing for this so called “Khilafah”, in which you would be electing an Ameer anyway, so what is the problem with democracy exactly if your governance will be elected by the people. The youth needs to stop acting so emotional and childish and stop demanding things that were suited for the 8th Century. Times have changed, we as Muslims have also evolved. If you want people power, then make the systems that are present in your country work, don’t call for completely outdated and ridiculous changes. People are laughing at this youth movement and how sad it is that they’re trying to compare themselves to the brave people of Egypt. These kids in Pakistan calling for a Khilafa need to educate themselves about the world they live it. They are trying to isolate Islam and are giving it a poor image. They are doing a massive disservice to Islam by making it a laughing stock for other people. These silly kids are dangerously making Islam a mockery. They should be ashamed and punished. Anybody who calls for a Caliphate is a completely deluded individual. You think you will get support the way the world rallied with the Egyptians? Get your facts right, every Egyptian who protested was against the idea of a Caliphate. Even their Muslim Brotherhood is against this outdated concept. You students think you’re being noble and brave by asking for an uneducated change, you will only be ridiculed by everybody else in the world, including over 80% of worldwide Muslims. You guys are deluded, this call for a Khilafa is a ridiculous hard line take of Islam that is alienating these people from society. Have you ever asked the mother of a violent young angry muslim youth who calls for khilafah and death to the kuffar??? Have you ever asked her how she feels? 99 times out of a 100 she will weep and lament want went wrong! You kids need to wake up and learn about the world you live in! Recommend

  • Feb 22, 2011 - 3:37PM

    The Islamic system of Government in its truest form ended when one group of people opinion and choices differed with the other. This happened a few decades after the demise of Prophet Mohammad (SAW), the Muslims back then were better Muslims than us who chose Islam rather than being born Muslim. Compared to the muslims of today, they were uncorruptable and look what happened: sects were created, Sunni and Shiatte and they have been fighting ever since then. How will these young men get past that? whose law will be preferred? most laws maybe the same but what about those laws that are not?

    and ending diplomatic relationships with the US? Ok! US is evil but will ignoring the evil make it go away? thats their ingenious idea?

    These are just a few questions I have for them and if all of these people, infact if not all Muslims can provide a unanimous answer to it, than this will not work.Recommend

  • Hamid Niazi
    Feb 22, 2011 - 3:52PM

    If we really love the Prophet pbuh then surely we should adopt the system that our Creator revealed to him, the KHILAFAH. Just as there is no wahabi, barelwi, shia, hanafi, etc, Economic system similarly the is no wahabi, barelwi, shia, hanafi, etc KHILAFAH.

    This is the only way forward.Recommend

  • Reasoner
    Feb 22, 2011 - 4:11PM

    Can a lady become Khalifah ???Recommend

  • Reasoner
    Feb 22, 2011 - 4:15PM

    Please choose your favorite Khalifah from the following

    1- Hakimullah Mehsood
    2- Gen. Hamid Gul
    3- Imran Khan
    4- Munawwar Hassan
    5- Moulana Fazlur Rehman
    6- Zaid Hamid
    7- Asif Zardari
    8- Nawaz Sharif
    9- Altaf Hussain
    10- Dr. Pervaiz HoodhbhoyRecommend

  • sheeba ishrat
    Feb 22, 2011 - 4:56PM

    yes we need justice . every one wants their rights then why pakistani nation is not. every nation have power to do every thing in their countries and have right to choose their leaders. so wake up pakistani nation wake up . we youth have power lets show our power. we want to release dr afia tell to USA. Recommend

  • Najam
    Feb 22, 2011 - 5:03PM

    what khilafat you are talking about it didnt work first time it wouldnt work now.
    p.s im talking about khilafat after kulfa-e-rashideenRecommend

  • MilesToGo
    Feb 22, 2011 - 5:26PM

    What about sharia?Recommend

  • bilal
    Feb 22, 2011 - 5:47PM

    We have tested democracy and also dictatorship.. former is the rule of “FEW” and later the “one man show”..these both are suppressing us.. i agree with CALIPHATE and islamic systemRecommend

  • Tony Singh
    Feb 22, 2011 - 6:22PM

    Its like blind people discovering a pot of gold(democracy) and not knowing what to do of it. Don’t blame the system if you do not know how to work that system. All other political systems (and specially those based on religion) cannot be better system than democracy.Recommend

  • fahadullah khan
    Feb 22, 2011 - 6:24PM

    islam and khilafat is the only solution for pakistan.democracy and dictatorship brought the nation to these condition.khilafat is the only system that resolve all issues and problem we are facing.if we believe the Allah is most powerful then its our duty to accept and implement Allah system.and i think time has come to do that.because screening has begun.those who want to be the part of it then join the cause and those who are abdicated to western culture,life style and system.They will face Allah anger.so no way to escape and neither one can help you escape.Recommend

  • Syed Khalid (UAE)
    Feb 22, 2011 - 7:06PM

    May Allah Help all those striving for a Islamic System in Pakistan, whatsoever is the name and party.Recommend

  • shafqat
    Feb 22, 2011 - 7:08PM

    The youth here in Hyderabad organised a demo in support of the peoples movement in the middle east, the popular struggle against ANTI-DEMOCRATIC REGIMES INSTALLED BY THE USA…. That event was never reported in the media despite the fact that the demo was organized in front of the press club….NOW I CALL THIS MEDIA BLOCKAED IN PAKISTAN…..Why people think that these jeans wearing youth represent the youth in this country? their dress represents the 21st C, while their minds dwell in the 17th…..

    The cure for the ills of freedom is more freedom….
    Khalifa? Who you think can be the Khalifa here? Try as you may, Sindh, and Balochistan willl never accept such a system ….If Punjab decides for the collctive suicide in the name of a medieval system, its free to do so…provided we are free to decide our fates as we see fit then.

    The Urdu media in the country is biased and pro-reaction…..a large section of it is doing the jihad from the tv…

    Long live peoples struggle for democracy, peace, secularism and social equality
    cheers!Recommend

  • rehman
    Feb 22, 2011 - 7:31PM

    Islam… use it. abuse it. use it to kill. use it for power. use it you must. you want the fascism of the mullah in iran. you want a kingdom (called khilafah) where you want to be king telling people that whatever the government says is Islam. Please stop abusing Islam. Stop these narahs that khilafa will change everything and become a little mature.

    You propagate nothing but violence. For you Islam is about violence because it is about power & you want to involve the Pak-military. You want your own Qadris who start killing people in the name of Khilafah. Its sad that you propagate this violent Islam in the land of the Sufis.

    What ideology you talk of? Islam is not your ideology. Your ideology is Islamism – the powder keg that is at the root of terrorism, killing, extremism, intolerance in this society because you think that they can make fools of people by using Islam. You want Political Islam without understanding that Belief & Politics cant go together as politics involves compromises and there is no compromise in belief. So when you come to power, you’ll declare all those who differ with you Infidels (kafirs). You want Peace of the Dead.Recommend

  • Bangash
    Feb 22, 2011 - 9:35PM

    Caliphate is gone and not coming back. These youths should also elaborate on what exactly “Islamic system” is ? Recommend

  • sietze praamsma
    Feb 22, 2011 - 11:09PM

    Maybe people should try to come up with something new, original! Freedom and equality, for instance.Recommend

  • Pragmatic
    Feb 22, 2011 - 11:09PM

    Lets get our facts right. Islamic rulers did very well till Industrial revolution moved Europeans far ahead of everyone else. So please all was NOT well till Caliphate was in place. The Mughals in the subcontinent lost it in 1700s and so did the Spanish rule of Muslims ended in 1492!!

    The main question which everyone is ducking is this: In these modern times should people be free to do what they want or not or should they be bound by Islam. If I believe Islam is superior, I will follow it but that doesn’t give me a right to force others. We need to fight for this right to freedom since it also gives our brothers the right to freely practice Islam in non-Islamic countries.

    Democracy is not the best system there is but it sure gives us the space to debate what is good for us. Caliphate doesn’t. A protest against the Caliphate rule would have resulted in death sentences for all these youth. So the BASIC right of every human being to think and do what is good for them without harming other people needs to be respected. It pains me to see that we are not even debating the right issues. Religion is important but it should improve us as human beings not regress us. Prophet (pbuh) made a giant leap forward which was good for us but why are we not interpreting his teachings keeping the social context in mind.

    Reminds me of what Bernard Shaw said: Islam is the best religion with the worst followers :-(Recommend

  • Waqar
    Feb 22, 2011 - 11:30PM

    I agree to this call… Khilafah is the only solution for Pakistan and the rest of the muslim ummah and humanity!!Recommend

  • Moiz
    Feb 23, 2011 - 12:52AM

    I think Salman Taseer was killed unjustly according to Islam. My friend doesn’t. Will the Caliph cater to both views? he can’t can he. there’s too many different interpretations of Islam. no one man or one group can change thatRecommend

  • Waleed
    Feb 23, 2011 - 1:31AM

    We do not need an “Islamic System.” What our country needs right now is a real, HONEST leader who knows how to actually deal with the problems we face as a country and not flee and when your country is literally knee-deep in problems. The problem is, there is NO one who’s honest anymore. Our youth feels the need to get out of Pakistan as soon as they can.

    We dont need to protest against democracy. We need to UNITE and move forward keeping the country’s interest our priorities rather than our own personal gain.Recommend

  • AAhmed
    Feb 23, 2011 - 1:50AM

    Just more crazy stuff!Recommend

  • Faraz
    Feb 23, 2011 - 4:48AM

    @ Farooq Qazi

    well you seem to take a lot of things at face value. The Capliphate from 632 – 1923. how would you define the Caliphate? would you define it as the passing of the government form father to son that took place after Mua’wiah passed on the Caliphate to Yazid? somehow i have a problem with that. Seems like monarchy to me. After this the rule remained in one family or the other with changes resulting from coups or the fact that there was no direct male heir to the throne. and the changes did not take place just because the next in line wasn’t upto the task of leading the Ummah. and there were times when there were alternate Caliphates runninng in the Muslim world. e.g Caliphate of Cordoba in spain from the roughly 900 CE. and yet at the same time you cannot deny the progress during the time period. how to account for that. I would actually look at the fact that the Muslims at the time were a lot more open to learning at the time then we are today. During those times Baghdad used to be the center of learning and it did not matter whether you were a muslim scholar or not you were welcome there. Plus there was no hesitancy in learning from civilizations of old and building upon them. take the ancient greeks as an example. had muslims not translated arisototle and plato into arabic the so called foundations of philosophy would have been lost. fast forward around 500 years and we had muslims calling for boycotting the english language learning (Sir Syed’s time). so the problem lies in the change in mentality. we are not as open to learning as we were. we want things handed to us in a plate.
    and as for the differences between sects being small. Please argue that with Saudi Arabia and Iran, flagbearers of the sectarianism. we have Saudi Arab calling for sanctions against Iran and Iran bankrolling the Shiaite movement in Pakistan while Saudis funded the Afghan war.

    Anyways i’m going off point. the point is simple. The problems faced by Pakistan or the Ummah in general cannot be solved by a mere change in system of government. what needs to change is attitude more then anything else and that is what we should spend our energies towards.Recommend

  • pmbm
    Feb 23, 2011 - 5:12AM

    A book by Mohammad Asad( born Leopold Wiess) ” The principles of state and government in Islam:” should be useful for this debate. He was an Austrian journalist in middle east, became best scholar on Islam. He also translated The Quran in english.Recommend

  • PK Expat
    Feb 23, 2011 - 5:37AM

    Taking history out of context is the biggest injustice that Muslims commit.

    Khilafa is NOT the way.Recommend

  • Faateh
    Feb 23, 2011 - 11:33AM

    I believe that Khilafah is not the option, rather its the only option we are left with.Recommend

  • Rehan
    Feb 23, 2011 - 11:35AM

    Muslims nation really needs to understand the importance of Khilafat for Muslims all over the world and ultimately needs to stand for it.Recommend

  • Rehan
    Feb 23, 2011 - 11:48AM

    @Farooq Qazi: Nice words to explain.Recommend

  • A person that supports Islamic system butt.........
    Feb 23, 2011 - 11:48AM

    Dear commentators…. Islam is a guidline for life but are we doing the same in our daily lives. I believe; are we not good followers of Islam? No its nt like that, I supprt islamic system and have no affect/effect from the west on me… I support islamic system as being followed in Iran and as in saudia…. but can we do it in pakistan. I guess we shall divide pakistan in 72 parts first. One for wahabis, one for deobandis, one for shias and so on…. and one for liberals and one for minorities too. Because everyone’s definition of islam is different and if you have a right to govern on the basis of ideology, i guess non muslims residing in pakistan shall be given their right proportion tooRecommend

  • IZ
    Feb 23, 2011 - 12:20PM

    I agree that we need Caliphate as long as I get to be Caliph….Recommend

  • Subbu Jois
    Feb 23, 2011 - 12:47PM

    The whole world has been moving towards delinking religion from governance, except for Pak and Iran. Democracy may not be an ideal system, but it offers the choice to the people, not the mullahs. The pursuit of linking religion with governance has failed over the last 2000 years, as history has proved. Democracy will at least the voices of all groups- religious, sects, geographies, linguistics, economic, to be heard. If the people make a bad choice, they get bad results, but THEY chose. Recommend

  • acronymus
    Feb 23, 2011 - 1:12PM

    @salman, and how, pray tell, will the Caliph achieve these exemplary tasks? And what advantages will there be to having a Caliph vs a democratic leader who may achieve the same. you never answered Pakistani’s key question, who will be the caliph?? if you haven’t decided yet, then do so before championing the cause. And yes sir, religious ideology will still be a problem since there is vast disagreement on islamic law between different sects and since religion will be the base, these kinks need to be sorted out first. i dont mind an islamic system, i just don’t think its practical today, i don’t agree that the Caliphate system will justify the teachings of Islam either. The first 4 caliphs were exemplary men, proven to have great character. i don’t see you finding such a man today, or guaranteeing that they will not be tempted. Consultation and shurah have been largely emphasized in islam and in that way, i think democracy agrees with our religion.Recommend

  • islamist
    Feb 23, 2011 - 1:13PM

    agree completely with author.Recommend

  • raihan
    Feb 23, 2011 - 2:08PM

    The debate above is full of rehtoric and smells of Hizb ut Tehrir. During my intercations with Hizb people, never have found them clear on history, geography, economics or politics. Khilafat is not a jadoo ki chaari. Kids you need a system and that system is quite diverse and expansive than the Khilafat you idealise. What you lack is serious body of academic and research based work. Yeah emotionalism sellls, so keeep sellling it. Recommend

  • Hamid Niazi
    Feb 23, 2011 - 2:10PM

    What will be and not be is not mans knowledge. Only our Creator knows and forges the future. Allah SWT & his Messenger have promised the victory and the return of the Khilafah. Our job is to work for it according to the method of the Prophet pbuhRecommend

  • Subbu Jois
    Feb 23, 2011 - 2:41PM

    Pak’s problems are not because of democracy, but the people running the country in the name of democracy. Democracy never told anyone to abuse the system and loot the country. Khalifah will have the same problems as democracy has, because the people on top are the same. Bring in Honest and sincere people and any system will work. Recommend

  • Jumbo Jutt
    Feb 23, 2011 - 4:35PM

    Lol @ khilafat…all of you please tell how many have read history of our 1300 year khilafat? some facts about khilafats are…99% of the rulers were killed by their own sons brother and nephews for the sake of power. there was no system to transfer power. Since khilafat muslims have gone power hunger nd its still evident every where…who ever gets a position doesnt beleive in leaving it except he is being thrown by a stronger army/brother/son. Umaya, Abbas, Osman and even sub continent…i challange you to read history nd prove me wrong and ask these confused illeterate youth based on your beloved 1300 year system (excluding 1st 4 caliphs which is barely 20 odd years) what was our economic system in khilafat? how rulers and govts were elected? wat was the opposition role and accountability process? and in 1300 years how banu umaya era ended how banu abbas and othman empire ended? :) cheers

    Islam gives set of rules and doesnt give a governance system. one of the which gives democratic rights is Amro Hum Benu Shura Hum!Recommend

  • Probyn
    Feb 23, 2011 - 4:36PM

    Dear God! This is IDIOCY of the HIGHEST Order….

    These people claim that they want nothing to do with democracy. YET, are supporting the Egyptians in Tahris Square. How does one do that kind of mental acrobatics.

    The Egyptians were themselves asking for democracy. To a man they wanted democracy.

    They wanted to make their voices heard and count.

    They did NOT ask for any khalifa or a king. EVEN the ikhwan ul Muslimun were asking for and believe in democracy.
    Read the Ikhwans’s Manifesto. It mentions a democractic future for Egypt.

    Democracy is inherently in line with the Quranic injunction from Allah that asks Muslims to settle and decide their affairs after ‘Mutual consultation’.

    So these people are at best misguided and at worst complete idiots.

    HOW can you be anti democracy and STILL support Tahris Square?
    Just a pathetic attempt to hitch their idiotic message to the most grand and courageous act of the egyptian people.
    I showed this to an egyptian friend of mine. He is laughing his head off.
    Sad. Very Sad.Recommend

  • Sadiq
    Feb 23, 2011 - 4:54PM

    To those who are against capitalism.
    As I understand Islamic system of business is not different from that of capitalism where the invester of capital take a lot and leave small enough for his labour so that they can live alive and continue supplying their labour to the capitalist. If I am wrong, please correct me and tell me. Is there any limit or %age of earning profits. Limit under the guidance of Quraan Kareem or Hadis e Mubarak. Please give reference so that I can go through it. Recommend

  • Feb 23, 2011 - 5:36PM

    Can Khilfah be a last straw to save Pakistan from drowning, I have my doubts, Honesty, Principles, truthfullness, hardwork, science, technoolgy, understanding can save Pakistan, Afghanistan, the neighbour had its own share of experiments Monarchy, Democracy, Socialism, Talibanism. I think, Demorcarcy worked best in Afg.

    After so many experiments in last 63years why not try Khilafah, will it work ?Recommend

  • Naeem Ahmed Bajwa
    Feb 23, 2011 - 5:55PM

    Clamouring for such a foolish system of governance, it is unimaginable. But then it is our collective failure that this progeny of Ziaulhaq, was not exposed to liberal and progressive thoughtRecommend

  • Abu Emaan
    Feb 23, 2011 - 7:09PM

    I did a search on Wikipedia on Hizb Ut Tahrir, and they do have a lot of research on the various political systems, Islamic systems (including Economics, Judiciary, Foreign Policy, & Education), and a detailed elaboration of the Khilafat Political structure. They are the biggest Islamic Political Party with people from all schools of thought. This is quite impressive…..I actually support the unification of the entire Muslim Ummah from Morocco to Indonesia. Imagine the emergence of such a nation, and the influence…plus no more travel headache for Pakistani Passport holders.Recommend

  • Rao
    Feb 23, 2011 - 8:17PM

    comments are stinking.Recommend

  • Bangash
    Feb 23, 2011 - 9:33PM

    “From 632 AD to 1923, Islam was the dominant and the recognized super power in the world. Not just by merely a force to reckon with, but with the intellect and the modernism. All the sectarian differences are merely minor differences. Deobands, Brelvis, Shias and Sunnis have all been there for a long period and all pledged their allegiance to the caliph. There was one Ameer of the Ummah and the Muslims were in the forefront in the fields of science and technology, in education, in law and order, in administration, in distribution of wealth and economics, in agriculture. And to an extent that the entire west monarchy used to send their children to our universities to get higher education.”

    The above delusion alone justifies the skepticism that I and other Pakistanis have about this “Khilafat” system. Its supporters need to elaborate what exactly Khilafat and “islamic system” is and how it will work. Declaring your love for Islam is not an answer as Islam is a religion not a political system.Recommend

  • samreen
    Feb 23, 2011 - 10:19PM

    Please tell me about Iran. I think Iran is ruled under Islamic Law. Has there been observed any change since the Rule of Ahmedeen Nijadi?Recommend

  • Azeema
    Feb 24, 2011 - 3:00AM

    @Angelos:
    totally agree with your point!Recommend

  • Grouper
    Feb 24, 2011 - 5:16AM

    This is misinformed, maybe even bordering on the bizarre. The Khilafat created the shia/sunni divide, anybody remember?) and caused wars among muslims that killed thousands (Omar vs. Ayesha). And let’s not kid ourselves when we say it was a time of peace and prosperity – there were plenty of non-muslims killed in conquests from India to Spain. Plus the way it is being defined here, it sounds more like these kids and their online followers a presidential system of government that’d like to call khilafat. And forming a pan-muslim khilafat, that’s just absurd. One exception, I’d be happy with Khilafat if I were the Khalifa!Recommend

  • Grouper
    Feb 24, 2011 - 5:25AM

    @Salman,
    “If the Khalifah orders electricity, petrol, and gas to be sold at cost” he would be instantly lynched. Each one of these commodities are sold BELOW cost in Pakistan today, way below. And that’s exactly why we don’t get enough.Recommend

  • Radial
    Feb 24, 2011 - 5:27AM

    khilafat has been tried and failed. have you forgotten that the turks themselves decided to abolish the system and get rid of their corrupt and ineffective “khalifa” and that it took a secular nationalist like ataturk to save turkey from total defeat at the hands of the western powers? and what became of the various islamic khalifas in other parts of the world besides turkey? if this was such a perfect system, why isn’t it still in existence today? by the early 20th century the so called khalifas were already long gone. and even when they were in power, “khalifa” was just a an excuse for absolute monarchy based in which power was handed down from father to son. the “khalifa” in turkey was just the ottoman emperor. given this track record, i would ask my misguided little zaid hamid followers to reflect on history and reality and perhaps agitate for secular nationalism instead, in which the mullahs are exiled, given the option of renouncing their “mullah-hood” and living lives as ordinary productive citizens, or hung from the nearest tree. look at where turkey is now, and where pakistan is. case closed. Recommend

  • saher
    Feb 24, 2011 - 6:26AM

    khilafah was only there in khulfa-e-rashideen period.. hmm later on we were tangled in the web of various schools of thought… not anti khilafat if it can actually be implemented in spirit.. but y through army????????Recommend

  • Singh
    Feb 24, 2011 - 6:31AM

    LOL

    I read all those comments for & against Khilafat. This news is Joke of day.
    If given a chance to all those who are against America or west to move those country will move without any hitch. Same people you can see in front of these Embassy for visa. If need to they produce any document it required. In 25 years I saw so many young people from Pakistan come to US. They do all sort of work including cleaning toilet to just settle down & pay their bills. After few year they start finding fault in US system but they never agree to go back Pakistan until they get Green card or Citizenship. None of them wanna go back & settle in Pakistan again. Reason corruption & high handedness of state.
    Bottom line if democracy does not work in Pakistan (Which it never had, either Army or feudal rule it from last 63 year.) then dictator ship of Khilafat will never work.
    Vote for right person not party, to taste true democracy.Recommend

  • Feb 24, 2011 - 7:39AM

    angelina jolie for the khalifa!Recommend

  • Ponderer
    Feb 24, 2011 - 9:11AM

    Great idea ! Make Zaid Hamid the leader!!
    We’ll have peace and prosperity for ever.Recommend

  • Umar
    Feb 24, 2011 - 10:23AM

    @paki:
    You must be out of your mind.Khilafah is the most successful method of ruling in world.Europeans used to come to baghdad during khilafah era to learn and to get knowledge.Khilafat made engines concept.concepts of flying,concepts of digital world.

    Where do you live ???We have seen alot of Democracy and it is over.Democracy has failed badly.There is no place of Democracy in islam.Recommend

  • Jumbo Jutt
    Feb 24, 2011 - 10:23AM

    @ abu eman

    Hizb has nothing…no structure wat so ever…jst ask simple question from them how would u change the system. step 1,2,3 and then how ur new govt will work and election process

    @ Farooq

    u really need to study history from an unbaised approach.

    “From 632 AD to 1923, Islam was the dominant and the recognized super power in the world. Not just by merely a force to reckon with, but with the intellect and the modernism. All the sectarian differences are merely minor differences. Deobands, Brelvis, Shias and Sunnis have all been there for a long period and all pledged their allegiance to the caliph”

    Shia imams all murdered, sunni rulers all murdered…engraiz kai phupar nain kia tha?

    o kaka this division started right after Prophet death and may i ask why Imam Hussain was assasinated?

    after that when did abbasis pledged their alldiance to caliph?

    Lawrance of arrabia was helped by jews or arabs? to finish Otman empire

    yarr arabs humain monh tuk lagatay nahin and u chant unification unification..Recommend

  • Women Voice
    Feb 24, 2011 - 12:48PM

    I am just interested to know can women be chosen as a Khalifa???If not then how Khilafat can be a better system than democracy which guarantees equal rights to women.There are a dozen of female head of states and head of governments across the world.The Islamic will argue that since women MENSTRUATE so that they cannot be head of state….how ridiculous explanation.Recommend

  • Feb 24, 2011 - 1:08PM

    Dear All!
    Let me clarify you politics is and always has been about power it doesn’t matter whoever is engaged may it be a dictator democrat whatever you call him/her but the lust for power is always there when you become a leader. The world has tried many systems communism, dictatorship, democracy blah blah blah but every form of government has failed and I don’t think any Islamic leader would be any better maybe in the start he’ll do something but after sometime he’ll start enjoying his powers and he’ll order fatwas to kill xyz he has said blasphemous words and that would only be based on his personal grudges.How will you stop that? Democracy in Scandanavian countries has proved that it is the best. China’s communism is not bad at all Saudia’s Kingship is going good. On the other hand democracy in Pakistan has failed, Dictatorship in Egypt has failed, Kingship in Nepal has failed. It is not the matter of system but the people itself. Honestly I have no hope for any kind of system in Pakistan but clearly democracy is the best option if allowed to flourish. Recommend

  • Dr. ABHISHEK
    Feb 24, 2011 - 1:52PM

    When the whole Arab world is fighting for democracy, the Pakistani intellectual minds are fighting to remove it.. I applaud.. :)).. what a joke..
    Democracy is the only system where the leader is responsible for his citizens so that to keep hold on power.. In Abraham lincon’s words “Democracy is a system for the people, to the people, by the people”.. So if there is a problem in this system, the problem is there within you..

    SURPRISINGLY EVERYONE WANTS TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM, BUT TRUTH IS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE THE CHANGE, YOU WISH TO SEE IN THE WORLD”.. But who will be willing to dirty his hands in cleaning the house, everyone wants to impose it on others. and so you people want it to be done by your CALIPHATE and the ISLAMIC system.. today you can educate people to elect the best people to run the government, BUT NO, CAUSE IT TAKE HARD EFFORTS..

    I have few questions?? who will be these new people running this new Islamic system?? Who will be the next CALIPHATE?? Are they all coming from JANNAT?? who is going to guarantee that they will not be having all those weaknesses, which your today’s leaders have?? does by reading a holy book or by being orthodox with one religious view gives guarantee the peace, prosperity or moreover the food for hungry and shelter.. I Guess NO.. If it were so, the PAKISTAN wouldhave turned up into the land of pures in true sense.. instead of being a threat and a joke to world, it would have become an example for the world to follow..

    what if your CALIPHATE or his successor held the same weaknesses your politicians have today?.. you will be in a great danger than.. after few years you can throw Zardari from power.. But in Case of CALIPHATE………????

    I am not much interested in you internal matters, but i want to answer Yasir as he said that indian democracy is a failed system.. Mr. Yasir, There is no perfect system in this world, We, the Citizens of that country has to make it perfect. neither the figure of 3 trillion$ economy is an illusion nor the growth rate of 8.5%. you must recall the 60,000 crore rs. waiver to farmers by indian government just few years back. I am living in mumbai and working in an Multi National Company because i got proper education, The MNC came to do it’s business in india as it was not fearing about the smooth running of it’s business in india.. that was possible because of the Democracy.. now i feel my obligations towards my country and this system and i go to teach Science and maths into these slums with my friends 2 hours each day.. We the youth are willing and working to make it a better system to live.Your figures are right but please do some R&D on how much the things have changed positively with india. and believe me even with all our problems we are moving towards a very brighter future. We are strong enough to defend our borders now. we are not into the rosy dreams of ruling the worlds. we are not fighting to change the system.. We are fighting for happiness, peace and raising of the life style of the poorest citizens of our country.. Recommend

  • LOL
    Feb 24, 2011 - 2:24PM

    So basically while the entire Arab world is moving forward, Pakistani youths want to move backward. Recommend

  • Abdullah
    Feb 24, 2011 - 3:12PM

    Democracy doesn’t apply to Pakistan.

    All the votes are either bought

    OR

    they are secured by the braadree system

    OR

    the people are not literate, educated and informed enough to make a decision that is in their favor and the favor of the country.

    In light of the pearls of wisdom I’ve spewed above, I conclude that democracy as a system of choosing governors is going to fail as it always has.

    What we need is a benevolent sincere dictator with Allah’s fear and the love for his people in his heart.

    Whether we get that through the Khilafat or through any other system, I really don’t care.

    Now for some logic.

    Khilafat is a system of governance designed for a Muslim country. It can only work over those who accept it. Where a country has citizens who are unaware of the system, that system (first of all, will not be accepted) will not work. So for Khilafat, as a system of governance, to work in Pakistan, 90% of the Pakistanis need to be aware of the system and generally speaking, people just don’t read up on political governance systems. So for Pakistanis to be aware of Khilafat they will need to be more aware and more truer Muslims. When we have a proper Muslim population and not just Muslims who are selectively following the tenets of Islam, then we will be ready for a governance mechanism built for Muslims.

    Till then, I vote for a dictator who has an expiry date and a heart of gold. :DRecommend

  • Abdullah
    Feb 24, 2011 - 3:16PM

    @LOL

    how exactly is democracy moving forward? It’s just movement. Neither forward nor backward. Only time will tell whether democracy as a form of Governance will work for the Arab states. But democracy to work needs the following:

    — an informed and educated public
    — a strong and independent media
    — a non-apathetic public
    — strong laws.

    We have none of that, even the so-called independent media is not that independent. Dig deep enough and you will find that these news channels and news papers have allegiances with different political parties. Recommend

  • J.Oberoi
    Feb 24, 2011 - 4:44PM

    @Yasir said: “60% of Mumbai lives in slums”
    Really? Have you been to Mumbai? Have long will the likes of you and Zaid Hamid keep spinning yarns? If the purpose is to show that Pakistan is more advanced than India, it is your opinion. But let us stick to facts. Lies never got anyone anywhere.Recommend

  • Feb 24, 2011 - 5:23PM

    @Dr. Abhishek: Sadly I have to agree with what you have said nad its so true India has progressed because of democracy and we have not succeeded because of the breaks of martial law but the situation is not so gloomy I would like to inform you that i also work for a MNC and there are a lot of International companies working in Pakistan and if 2 or 3 governments complete their term then there is a lot of hope.Recommend

  • sherry
    Feb 24, 2011 - 5:37PM

    ok with the khalifah thing…but how are we supposed to choose the khalifa…and who will be the authority to choose him…and how can he be sacked if he comes out to be corrupt too…like would he continue being a khalifah until he dies?,…and who takes over after his death? like ok…if you demand a system..plz provide the details of it…we are ignorant english mediums we know nothing about it…you may be right but plz enlighten us too…mayb we agree to wat u say!Recommend

  • Tashfain
    Feb 24, 2011 - 6:52PM

    @Dr.Abeshak,Ali saggu,
    I dont think India has done any progress.And Democracy has failed everywhere in the world.Khilafat is not only the slogans,it is the complete system of Islam.We have complete systems that are extracted from Islam and will lead us to the highest states once we ised to be due to its competency and credibility.Dr. Abeshak i think if you remain fair,You have to admit that Sub continent was far better under the rule of Islam.Even it wasn’t true Islam but still it was better than todays Democracy.

    Islam is not a religion,it is the system that threats Capitalism/Communism.

    This call is getting stronger.We in Pakistan are listening it now oftenly.Things will change soon.InshALLAH.

    Democracy cant give us any rights.there are natural flaws in the system of Democracy.
    Recommend

  • Shariq
    Feb 24, 2011 - 10:16PM

    An interesting quote, for everyone. It shows the significance of Khilafah.

    “We must put an end to anything which brings about any Islamic unity between the sons of the Muslims. As we have already succeeded in finishing off the Khilafah, so we must ensure that there will never arise again unity for the Muslims, whether it be intellectual or cultural unity”

    The British Foreign Minister addressing the British Prime Minister shortly before World War II.
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  • PK Expat
    Feb 25, 2011 - 12:20AM

    @Tashfain: These natural flaws you identify are not flaws in the “system of democracy” but instead, in the inadequate way that the elected leaders have performed. Leadership has been an issue in Pakistan, like it has in several countries. This does not mean that the “system of democracy” is incorrect. The ameer that you would elect under your under-researched khilafa movement would also be elected by the people, hence democratically. So, doesn’t that pose a contradiction for you and all your friends who you hope to rally together on the streets of major cities in Pakistan. How will you be able to protest and make any credible statement when even the very BASIC concept that you are arguing against, i.e. “democracy” is an inherent part of the “khilafa” you plan to establish. Therefore, I feel by the time you actually make the effort to go out on the streets and find like-minded pro-khilafa youth on the streets, how will you look each other in the eyes knowing that your very basic premise is clearly incorrect. I’m sorry, but the entire world, anyone with intellect, a majority of Pakistanis, and countries that have it worse than us, will sit back and have a great laugh at your expense. I request you and your friends to not go forward with major structural flaws in your very basic argument. Recommend

  • PK Expat
    Feb 25, 2011 - 12:23AM

    and I’m sorry, but India has progressed significantly under the banner of democracy. There is no need to get emotional, as I’m noticing in many anti-Indian posts by several Pakistanis. The Indians have succeeded very well, and like any country, of course have problems, but overall are heading in the right direction. We should look up to them and engage, seek advice, develop friendships, and encourage cultural exchange instead of bad-mouthing them. We will get nowhere if we act like petulant children. A vast majority of Indians will be more than happy to be involved in an open-minded, friendly exchange of ideas, music, learning, literature, sport etc with us. Recommend

  • Sadiq
    Feb 25, 2011 - 12:28AM

    Dear Tashfain
    You are against Capitalism and Democracy given by Capitalism. You say Khalafat is a complete system of Islam. But we dont see that muslims under all Khalafats adopted the same system of economics i.e. Capitalism. The same way of earning “Profit”, making more capital. Do you have any alternative business/economic system. Any Islamic sayings about profit earnins? Recommend

  • Feb 25, 2011 - 12:35AM

    @Jumbo Jutt:
    simply love u jumbo.i am trained in law and political science so i know what is real attraction of so called khilafat but alas all these ve studied history with an impartial view.Recommend

  • xplorer
    Feb 25, 2011 - 3:07AM

    Will some one guide me about the process of electing a KHALIFA?What sort of powers would he have? If we make our laws islamic and then elect our govt. by our votes (sort of MUSHAWARAT) can the system not be termed as Islamic….. ?Recommend

  • Jumbo Jutt
    Feb 25, 2011 - 10:30AM

    lol thanks malik shb

    see there r 2 ways to choose a leader.

    1 people select their leader
    2 the powerfull slaps the weak ones and say i am ur leader

    other than democracy where we have witnessed that even in Pakistan Moanas Elahi with the most beefed up campaign lost his seat simply coze he couldnt win peoples hearts.. i know their r baradris. votes are being bought but let this system go for 20 odd years i bet these things will fade out like they did in all other developed countries.

    for those who support khilafat or watever. these all system beleive in autocaracy and discatorship..there is no where…nooooooo where written or hinted that khilafat is a muslims system..simply pre modern world specialy before world war countries were big just like russia before it broke off..so were muslims were in 1 state…oper sai lai ker nechai tuk sub nain gurdanain marin aik dosray ki… unification of these countries i doubt would happen even in next 50 years plus since arabs still think them selves superior i doubt they would let we kami kameenz mingle in themselves….that reminds me of HIzb famous dailogue kai jub iraq ya palastine main kuch hota hai tou pakistan main log ehtajaj kertay hain coze muslims ka dil dukhta hai :p…nd i ask them jub pakistan main kuch hota hai tou baki muslim countries main they dont even care coze sirf hum hi hain jinhain dady jan or punjabi main mama bunai ka shock hai…

    Hizb was created by MI6 and thats for to weaken pak army…nd thats wat they are doing…their vision is to penetrate army and bring a revolte…these sensless think that would be inqilab rather that would be the last nail in our countries coffin!Recommend

  • Tashfain
    Feb 25, 2011 - 10:37AM

    @Sadiq
    brother there is no khilafat right now in World.and yes khilafat does have a very unique economic system from Islam with evidence from Islam.prophet(SAW) said,”The Muslims are partners in three, water, pastures and fire.”(Ahmed, ibn Maja).This means natural resources cant be sold on profits,only the cost of extraction to supply. Islam doesn’t allow interest. Islam doesn’t allow backing of currency on Dollar. Islam doesn’t allow taxation. Islam has given firm law to end landlord system.there are numerous laws I quoted few.Islamic economics is extremely stable .no stock exc crash,no inflation,no speculation,no credit.

    @xplorer
    Electing a khalifah is different than democratic system.At first there will be no election campaigns in khilafat.no specific agendas.No faces without history of piousness.There is a difference.

    @axhar malik
    I have read khilafat’s courts of qazi and laws that are in shariah.they can solve cases within a day.My family is fighting a case of our own land for 40 years in your man made courts.still we have no solution beside all evidences.Recommend

  • A Muslim
    Feb 25, 2011 - 10:52AM

    Dear All

    It is so heartening to read so mmany comments from our young generation. Zara nam ho to…….!

    However one must understand that even Khilafat no one is above law. But the process of selection of Khalifa has to be defined and not only defined but clearly defined. You see in essence no system is only as goos or as bad as the people who run it. I totally agree with the people who say that none of our leaders have honestly discharged their obligations/duties towards their nation/country. But please remember that unless we have an education system which encourages and provides equal opportunities to all, our dream of establishing a true egalitarian Islamic government. How will we select the government and what all is to be seen in a person choosen to be a khalifa. We have Iranian example in front of us where the Clergy has the final say and then the western example of democracy. Gentlemen please remember that those western countries have by and large a very fair system of governanace and they really look after the interest of theri people. Why should yhey look after our interest when we are ready to sacrifice those for personal gains. It is only education and education only which will give the sagacity (of course with Allah SWT’s help) to select our rulers worthy to rule this great nation to its rightful place in commity of nations. Only slogan without real homework will only change face not the system. The recent change in Tunisia and Egypt are a case in point. There only new faces have come, the rotton system remains the same.
    We also need to evolve a concensus over our education system which will give us the true leadership in return. Blaming western countries for taking undueadvantage of us will lead us to nowhere. That is the law of nature, survival of the fittest! Not for nothing has ALLAH SWT ordered us to KEEP READY YOUR STRENGTH.
    So my dear dearest young leaders work towards bringing good quality education in our country, shun double standards and work towards the glory of our religion and our country. Recommend

  • Mukhalif
    Feb 25, 2011 - 12:24PM

    I vote for Zardari to be the next Khalifa !! Please press the ‘Recommend’ button if you agree.Recommend

  • Dr. ABHISHEK
    Feb 25, 2011 - 12:24PM

    @Ali Saggu: I am happy if the situations are good and being improved their in Pakistan. But the news posted here, and the divide into your Nation’s Ideology over Salman Taseer’s Murder, the Every day Bomb blasts, many losing lives daily, Insurgency in Balochistan etc. made me think that pakistan is going through a very critical time and moreover the government has no control on these. I wish that sooner or later Pakistan will overcome all it’s problems but what i mean to say here is that in these times the youth there should realize it’s obligations and instead of falling into the dilemma of Insecurity, fear, Historical myths created by people like zaid hamid, they should tend to connect with those of their people fighting for their daily Breads. I don’t want to sound philosophical but a plant cannot grow if you keep it close in a box, it will die and dry soon. To live, to blossom it needs sunlight, fresh air. in the same way if we tried to close our today’s generations mind or our minds as our earlier generations did, we are not going to evolve, we are not reaching anywhere. But somehow in it’s aftermaths the Demons like Taliban will generate.We need to learn and connect with evolution in the world, in the science. We need to logically understand our religion and should also respect other’s (even if we are disagree with them).Those Killed Innocents in Mumbai or karachi in the name of religion are all same. they are the product of that same close box Mindset. I read Holy Gita, Holy Koran and Holy Bibale deeply, but found no excuse for these sins in any of them. This is not the time to fight for a new system, but it’s a time Humanity should figure out the Angels within it and should take a firm stand against the Demons.Recommend

  • Dr. ABHISHEK
    Feb 25, 2011 - 1:05PM

    @ Tashfain: i Doubt your knowledge about India, about Democracy and even about ISLAMIC system and would suggest you to do some study on these, and use your consciousness and intelligence before arriving at any early conclusion just by listening or reading something exaggerating from here and there. To understand this you need to come out of the little biased knowledge about India. I have traveled all across India, have many Muslim, Sikh and christian friends and learn every day by meeting several people of different ideology and psychology. Neither India is a failed state nor Democracy is a failed system. Every system is basically to keep it’s people happy, secure and progressive and India have all in it’s secular democracy. People are all same in this world, few good, few bad everywhere across the globe. The perfection of a democratic system is a direct image of the level of perfection of it’s people. i am not perfect. i have not overcome my all weaknesses. can You claim of being a perfect human being?? As we are not perfect so is our Democratic system is not perfect. But the beauty of this system is that it’s the Only system in the world which provides an opportunity to move it’s people towards perfection. The more you win your weeknesses and help others do the same, the more better your system becomes.

    “Dr. Abeshak i think if you remain fair,You have to admit that Sub continent was far better under the rule of Islam.Even it wasn’t true Islam but still it was better than todays Democracy.”
    I am 100% fair and so 100% disagree with you, i don’t know what kind of history you have read. i have a lot to say on this issue but i doubt your ability to digest that. The only thing you need to understand is that my dear friend the world is not same as it was thousands years back, try to create a vision for a pakistan of 20 years ahead instead of being in the false gloomy picture of history. Use your mind.

    “Islam is not a religion,it is the system that threats Capitalism/Communism.”.. so by adopting this system you are going to become a threat to not only the whole world but also to your dear and only friend China… How foolish is this to even think that any country could prosperous, grow or even exist in today’s time when the world is so dependent to each other.. Recommend

  • Zain
    Feb 25, 2011 - 1:07PM

    Well the idea of a Khilafat is all well and good. But After the first four Rashiudin Caliphs look at the history of the Caliphate.

    If you read history then it is loaded with war between the various dynasties of the Fatmids, Ummayads and Safavids, all who tried to establish their dominance in the region through violent means.

    Apart from that who will these pro khilafat youths nominate? Deobandis, Barelvis and Shia’s all will send their people to the forefront? Who should be Caliph? Someone mentioned that the difference between sects is minor. Unfortunately it is not, I want to believe as much as the next person that we can unite under a single person but be honest with yourself, will a Sunni accept a Shia leader and vice versa.

    The caliphs were selected through a democratic system where the people voted for them, we have a democratic system in place along with an Islamic system as stated in the constitution. My suggestion is read the constitution before this call for khilafat, our constitution has never been better than it is at this moment.

    The only reason this call for Khilafat is being made is not because of some religious fervor, it is because people are tired of the corruption and lack of development in the country. If you go to Iran and Saudi Arabia, where a system close to Khilafat exists you will see how opressed the people are. What is happening in Bahrain, Libya and all these countries is because people are tired of rulers being there because of some sort of right. They want to choose their leaders.

    The beauty of a democratic system is that you can vote for somebody else next time around, the thing here in Pakistan is, that people don’t vote and then sit at home and complain about how corrupt it all is. Go out and vote and choose the correct person.

    It isn’t American democracy which is the enemy or foreign policy, it is our willingness to sit back and take it.

    This is for all the people on this forum,

    If Khilafat was implented through your efforts, name one person right now, who is pious enough on all fronts religous and worldly and possesses enough knowledge to lead you? Which Ayatullah, Mufti or Maulana will you nominate?

    There are no leaders who have the leadership of the first four Caliphs, nor even that of Jinnah or Gandhi to move entire nations.

    Democracy is not shirk nor is it a western game to control the world. It allows us to chose the best leader, it is unfortunately our fate that Pakistan has not been blessed with the best leaders.Recommend

  • Tashfain
    Feb 25, 2011 - 1:43PM

    @Dr.Abheshak.

    Dear Doc you have said many things but without the knowledge of real issues.My friend I would love to discuss with you on these issue in detail.its okay if we don’t have the same religion,but as a humans we can come to some conclusion about what is better for humanity.

    As far a India is concerned i remain to my opinion.And my opinion of change and happiness is different than yours but we can discuss what is best for humanity.If you are a sincere person do come in contact with me ….it (tashfain@gmail.com)

    We’ll discuss why CALIPHATE is better than Democracy and why there is no place of Democracy is betterment and prosperity of humanity.Recommend

  • Tashfain
    Feb 25, 2011 - 1:58PM

    @Jumbo Jatt
    Oh really hizb is M16 creation.thank you for your intelligence.Hizb is not working for autocracy,it is working for Khilafat e rashida.if you dont know about khilafat e rashida go on and read.its the prophecy of prophet(SAW) that whenever the khilafat will come it will come as a khilafat e rashida(on the method of prophet hood) so believe in prophet(SAW) prophecy.
    Plus as a Muslim I and you are confined in a duty of establishing islam and all this Democracy and Dictatorship is all about personal interest.There is no Shariah in it nor a shariah can come up with these systems.
    You know what have you experienced.i would recommend you to learn Arabic and than read the books of contemporary Scholars like Imam tamimi,Imam Shafi,Imam ahmed bin hanbal and thousand others and learn what they said about the khilafat.
    prophet(SAW) and All the rightly guided khalifah’s (1st 4) implemented the khilafat as there top most priority and from them it is known as an establishment of state is must.You can name it with hundred names i.e imamia,Sultaniiya,Khilafat etc but we use this name because it is used by prophet(SAW),sahaba,Tabi,Taba tabain,and scholars for 1000 years.
    Plus in Hizb there are people from very educated and well established families so another argument of illiterate or acknowledgeable is out of question.Hizb has scholars and even Mujtahids in there ranks.Recommend

  • Jumbo Jutt
    Feb 25, 2011 - 5:38PM

    lol tashfain

    u didnt give single answer to my questions

    ya gime a simple reason of so mch support of uk govt to hizb..thats ur strongest presense is in uk ?

    Dont u say that to bring change army should make a coup? jst teme steps how to bring change to present scenario

    and ur statement regarding our duty to establish islam begins from home so 1st get ur and ourselves rite.

    now thats the most easiest way to ignore logical reason by asking learn arabic nd read bla bla bla…kaka what ever names u refered were ijtahadist…not the last word…yarr one simple thing prove me wrong that quran or hadith say this is the govt system u have to follow? coze wat i understand it only gives set of rules.

    o yarr wats this term implemented khilafat…khilafat is govt under one ruler..thats it ..its a state.. and rest wat sorta people in hizb is very mch evident over here…sensless baseless arguments simply buying youth sentiments with words like sharia, khilafat, jihad, one ummah one khaifa!Recommend

  • Feb 25, 2011 - 5:51PM

    On my road to evolution, I was thinking and roaming in streets of Lahore, Pakistan and the scenes of partition movement in 1947 were infront of my eyes, when 50 Lacs of Muslims gave there life to make Pakistan on the ideology of two nation theory that Hindus and Muslims cannot live together in a single state. I was shocked to see at out bill boards where the pictures of girls singing and modelling were displayed, where the peoples were thinking of there own bread and butter of daily lives. Yes, I was shocked to see that we do not even know that why our ancestors gave that great massive sacrifice for this piece of land which we all called ” Pak Land” PAKISTAN. There were lots of questions appearing in my mind and piercing the heart that for this we have taken Pakistan? If yes, it would be better that not to opt for such a massive bloodshed and we can live peacefully in Subcontinent without this partition as our bread and butter and our modern visions can be more successful in a secular state rather then in an ideological state.

    Please read this article and answer my questions about ideology of Pakistan:
    http://pakrevolutionist.blogspot.com/2011/02/pakistan-on-road-to-evolution.html
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  • Feb 25, 2011 - 7:16PM

    @Ali Ahsan:
    Sir ji u forgot that tunisian revolution also started from just a page
    giving this statement does not mean i support them but being a Pakistani i respect them for their initiative atleast they are raising their voice against wrong!!Recommend

  • Feb 25, 2011 - 7:20PM

    @Ponderer:
    Y not Dr.A.Q Khan isn’t he a hero ofcourse better than zaid hamidRecommend

  • Sadiq
    Feb 26, 2011 - 1:09AM

    From : Sadiq
    To: Tashfain
    You wrote ,”The Muslims are partners in three, water, pastures and fire.”(Ahmed, ibn Maja).This means natural resources cant be sold on profits,only the cost of extraction to supply.”
    I know, till that time they didnt know about other ntural resources so they didnt talk about those like Oil, Gas, Iron, etc. However that is good for the peoples of that country but now a days big companies are getting controll over these natural resources under the name of free economy. Rulars of countries are stealing money against sale of these natural resources to make them wealthiest.
    About the products other than natural resources, you mean, can be sold on profit. But how much profit? While replying, keep in mind the justice with the buyer/consumer.
    My dear this greedy system of making profit is also allowed in Islam like in Capitalism. Peoples having wealth had played with Khilafat system and later abolished it. Capitalist system was given by the Capitalists for the Capitalists. So you are not against the Democracy or Capitalism but you are Pro Dictorship in a Capitalist Society. I suggest you and your friends to find the cause/reason which deviated muslims from Islam. That cause/reason is obveiosly more powerful than any faith or law of the society. Recommend

  • Aubree Munar
    Feb 26, 2011 - 4:40AM

    Indeed. Peaceful protests are a cornerstone of (ironically enough) DEMOCRACY, kids! @SomeGuy: Recommend

  • Feb 26, 2011 - 11:28AM

    wah ji wah. kya baat hai. jo islam main shoora aur jamiat ki baat karte hain, woh bhi to bolain na g.Recommend

  • Tashfain
    Feb 26, 2011 - 8:16PM

    @Sadiq

    Well if you are saying that Islam does have only this rule than you are mistaken my brother.Islam has a lot of rule to safe the interest of buyer as well as seller.The point should be whether the people have the purchase power or not so brother Islam makes it sure that people get the power of purchase.

    Secondly the reason of Muslims deviated from Islam is only due to abolishment of Khilafat.Don’t go for the history written by Orientals rather go for the stats.Islam is the system must be established.Individuals can have Muslim views but they cant carry the authority Islam wants for shariah.

    All money that our rulers are making is because they are allowed to legislate. Islam doesn’t allow man to legislate.

    regarding profit making yeah Islam do allow profit making but it has set some rules that stop oppression and makes it sure that wealth distributes evenly.You can allowed to make as much money as you can in Islam but you must remain in the fold of sharia h.best example is Uthman r.a. he was the wealthiest man of Medina still he earned his money through Islamic laws.Islam doesn’t mean that you cant have Ferrari but it means that the money that you have to buy Ferrari must be hilal.Recommend

  • human being
    Feb 27, 2011 - 1:01AM

    what gave u islamic system????? slavery to kings, even caliphs were killed , the persons u called sahaba were fighting with one anothers ,what islam u r talking ? the kings with battalians ov beautiful maids ….kaneez.. plz let us live with the islam given by beloved Prophet (SAW) plz dont play dirty in the name ov islam…. we r Allahmdullila lading wht islam says, lets b democrats as Prophet (SAW) was , HE gave respect to every 1 opinion , always consulted companions , was a paragon ov human rights.. and this iz what modern world call democracy ,so islam iz democracyRecommend

  • Raheel
    Feb 27, 2011 - 12:10PM

    I think system and human are in double loop, weakness of human character , can’t be compensated by a strong system and vice versa….

    Besides rightly guided caliph …from 661/662 AD the so called Kkhilafah was nothing but dynastic monarchies, and struggle of powers among different tribes and their decedents i.e. Abbasia, Ummyah, Fatamids, and then Ottoman…we know it for a FACT that most of political Islam literature was written under these monarchies….Recommend

  • Imran
    Feb 27, 2011 - 9:03PM

    Total bakwas. The islamic ummah concept is a myth, except for first 30 yrs muslims were never one united country but various countries with thier own rulers. The muslims of spain, of khwarzm and of India were never under any central Islamic figure. Also, all our caliphs were hereditary : either the person seized power by force or he got it because his father was caliph. If Islam had given a system of governance how come no muslim country in the world is asking for ‘islamic system’. After khulfa i rashdeen all caliphs were absolute rulers and practically kings. Islam only gives u basic principles, eg one basic rule is that a government cant be called islamic if it does not have the approval of the people. And thats what democracy is. If u want Islamic governance, vote for good honest men. This slogan is just our munafiq religious parties attempt to seize power through backdoor by fooling people in the name of islam.Recommend

  • We do need khilafat as it is the system of government loved by Allah and his messenger. However, the question arise is that whether we can have the caliphate of Khulfaye-Rashideen at this stage?Recommend

  • Sadiq
    Feb 27, 2011 - 10:17PM

    Author: Sadiq
    Comment
    @ Tashfain
    According to your statement “Islam has a lot of rule to safe the interest of buyer as well as seller”. We are allowed to make as much money as we can under the fold of Islamic Shariah. We can buy Ferrari with “hilal” money. Best example given by you about Hazrat Uthman r.a. that he was the wealthiest man of Madina and he earned his money through Islamic laws.
    As I know about the profit, it is derived under the simple equation “Sales – Purchase = Profit”. If you want “make as much as you can” profit you will have to sale on much higher prices than purchases. This sale is to be made to the buyers of your society and you are not doing justice to the buyer. Do you mean that this is Hilal and under the Islamic Shariah Rules? This is a fair mean because Hazrat Uthman also made his money like this? If it is so, you should accept that this economic system is a capitalist one. It can’t be called Islamic because the rulars were or will be called “Khalifah”.
    My dear, all other structures of the society base on the prevailing economic system. If economics of the society change it will change way of ruling the society too like it did in past. When capitalism defeated feudalism the capitalists changed their ruling stile from Kings, Ameers, Shahs, so called Khalifas to Presidents, Prime Ministers and Ministers. They call it Democracy but I don’t because that is a dictatorship of the Rich for the Rich over the poor against the poor. RegardsRecommend

  • s. moosa
    Feb 27, 2011 - 11:53PM

    @Dr. Abdul Qadeer:
    if u r really dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, I want to tell u sir, this is the time we need u badly to let the western minded people know that there happens to be a renaissence for every civilization,
    We had a rich Islamic culture and civilization which is long forgotten by our fore fathers, it has finally knocking our door steps, people of Arab are not idiots, they have realized the truth and are transforming.
    Time does not wait for anyone, we should also realise that its time to change the system, and the best system the history has witnessed is the Islamic system of peace and tranquility, and it demands the rule of Khilafat. This is our only destiny.Recommend

  • s. moosa
    Feb 28, 2011 - 12:18AM

    @Mukhalif:
    Mr. I simply doubt your state of mind. How Insane of you to say thisRecommend

  • Raqib Ali
    Feb 28, 2011 - 6:40AM

    Hizb ut Tehrir is a Mafia. They work on ‘forwarded’ emails to comment and recomment their own point of view. They shut up their opponents with loud voices and call it reasoning.

    It is an open secret that 99% of readers of papers like ET believe in democracy and not in Khilafa. Who is commenting and recommending such comments? A CULT that is using a few followers & multiple computers to promote themselves. If they are so big, how come they only bring a handful of people in their protests???Recommend

  • Another Paki
    Feb 28, 2011 - 3:26PM

    Just one question to all those who said Khilafa is good for Pakistan :-P… Can Pakistan and Khilaafa co exist?
    And for all those who think only they have the authority to talk about Khilafa.. other people can learn and observe things as well. And for God sake.. stop including yourselves with those others who are protesting against current rulers and current set of politicians. Not all are protesting in favour of Khilafa. And they have got nothing to do with HT or any other Banned group.Recommend

  • Subbu Jois
    Feb 28, 2011 - 3:39PM

    Dont you people get it? It is not a democratic system that is at fault. It is the leaders. You will only get the leader you deserve in a democratic system. If you vote sincere leaders, you will get a sincere governance. Khilafah system went down burdened by its own conflicts and misuse by rulers. If democracy is not working in Pak, it is because of the poor leadership, not the system. The System has been corrupted by the leaders to suit their own needs and goals, at the cost of the common man. Throw out such leaders and replace them with honest leaders, the system will work! Recommend

  • Tashfain
    Feb 28, 2011 - 5:30PM

    I think Express should give more coverage to Hizb ut tahrir.Looking at the comments it seems that they are really presenting an alternative solution that’s why people are so much anxious.

    @Sadiq..
    Well bro this is a long discussion and cant be done in comments.If you need to know what econommic system does Hizb have,do contact me.I have given my email ID.

    I’ll just say that a society builds up on the number of systems.This is not all about economics.In Capitalism yes it is the money that rules the lives and makes the society but in Islam the roots of society is entirely on the different basis.This is an issue.If you see Islam with the same society that is today,you’ll see Islam full of flaws however If you take Shariah a building definition of a new society where all values and ethics are different than a capitalist’s you’ll get a real flavour.

    and you have read alot of history from Orientals bro.you should try ibn khateer,at Tabari,As sayuti. They are our fathers,read them if you want to know about history of khilafat.

    Asalamo alaikumRecommend

  • Pakistan
    Mar 1, 2011 - 12:01AM

    Since the inception of Pakistan, Islam has been misused. Now it is the time for us to separate Religion and Politics. Region is a personal matter between God and the individual. Please dont mess with Islam. You can not bring Khilafat in Pakistan because there are a thousand kind of Muslims in Pakistan. You can not implement rule of one sect to all of them. Keep your religion to your own goodness dont implement it on me.
    If you want to do something for Pakistan, fight against corruption and help build a civilized and humane society. Recommend

  • Pakistan
    Mar 1, 2011 - 12:56AM

    How about the Fazal ur Rehman as the khalif of Pakistan..Recommend

  • Another Paki
    Mar 1, 2011 - 11:34AM

    @Tashfain:
    Why am i getting this idea that only this banned group HT is responsible for choosing Khalifa.
    And if you are talking about Khalifa then how come its from Pakistan? Where is your so called system to choose khalifa?
    Do you think Saudi’s will accept a Nigerian muslim as khalifaa?
    Try to minimize the differences between umat first then bring khilafat. Protesting for khilafat wont make it happen until you do what is needed for khilafat.
    Full fill the prerequisites and then shout for Khilafat.
    Otherwise help those who are protesting against current rulers/politicians.Recommend

  • Farooq Qazi
    Mar 1, 2011 - 2:24PM

    @ Beenish,

    “”This is height of ignorance…. on the same stage people are calling for Egypt like movements and chanting against ‘democracy’ for which Egyptians are actually fighting for… first get your facts right :) “”

    First of all, please stop relying on the western media that is propagating their ideology. Don’t forget all those being targeted by the peoples movements were the western planted stooges.
    If you know the google maps application “Latitude” browse to Egypt and look for the bubble marks across the map of Libya as well as Egypt. People take democracy as a joke there and do not want democracy.

    BBC report: The west does not fear the Muslim Brotherhood if it decides to become part of a democratic system. What it fears the largest banner in tehrir square in arabic, “Al-Khilafah Al Taajul Farooz”

    http://avideditor.wordpress.com/2011/02/12/egypt-59-want-democracy-%E2%80%93-95-want-greater-role-for-islam/

    Watch this video clip from Youtube… and you will see the Hadith coming true.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtiKorMw9zg

    @ my Brothers & Sisters concerned about HT:

    The following link is from a HT website… Even thou I’m not part of HT, I still am the part of an Ideology. All those who deny the Qur’an and the word of Prophet (pbuh) should know that they soon will realize and InshAllah will come back to their deen of Huq. Please go through it and do not confuse Elections with Democracy. Elections and the people’s say is always there in the Khilafah. Understand the system before you denounce it.

    http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/the-khilafah/structure

    The Prophet (pbuh) never separated religion from politics nor did the Khulfa-e-Rashidoon. I agree that down the line it became a hereditary thing and sons after sons became caliphs.Which is wrong as per fiqh… But so is the problem of Namaz… How many muslims pray with their own belief. Now we cannot say that it is different so we will not perform an obligation now. We pray because its an obligation.

    Caliphs in the past made mistakes, they were also humans. Caliphs for tomorrow might also make mistakes, coz they will also be humans. The system cannot be flawless and i have firm belief that the people make it work.

    People with the modern sci-tech age will be holding their leader with more accountability. Unlike the people in the past who did not have means of emails and media for the know how, we will be far better equipped to make OUR system work rather than that of the romans. And do bear in mind the prophecy in the Qur’an in Surah Rum about the conquest. Neither can we deny the Hadith for which I have shared the youtube link.

    Dont close your mind, that is not what Islam asks you to do. Islam encourages questions and provides answers for these.
    Dont think you’re going to go back in the stoneage, that is just spread around to make sure you fear your own deen and stay away from it.
    Dont think women will not have their right to go to work or their right to pursue higher education, Islam encourages a learned mother more than the illiterate one.

    I am not part of HT because I am learning and still have unanswered questions. I’m not completely convinced with their methodology, but I am not closing the door and I am trying to learn it. No one is asking you to join HT, as the call of Huq is superior than a group or a party.

    For all those who want to learn and who want to sincerely understand the system with all the logics and rationale, they can contact me and we can arrange discussion session at my place. We can learn from each other.

    For all those secular people, please do understand and just read the Qur’an on your own. God has promised it to be the divine book that is written for your ease to understand. And He has taken its responsibility. He is the protector of the Book of Huq. And He promises us that if we seek His advice, He will answer in our Hearts. So please dont close the door on the deen as its going to be closing the door on yourself and not the deen.

    Anyone interested can contact me on faruq.qazi@gmail.com and I will InshAllah get back to you.

    JazakAllah KhairRecommend

  • shah g
    Mar 2, 2011 - 8:41AM

    How fool we are? We want Army to bring in Caliphate and kick out “American PUPPETS.” Come on, man Zardari in co is in power just for the last three years. And all of us should know that its our armymen who are dealing with America not civil ministers. So, civil people have no authrotiry in security related and US related issues. WHO DO YOU THINK IS AMERICAN PUPPETS NOW? AND WHAT KIND OF CALIPHATE CAN OUR ARMY GIFT US?Recommend

  • Saad Durrani
    Mar 2, 2011 - 5:15PM

    Fine! Bring Caliphate! Pray tell who will become the Caliph. Caliphate (being wrongly interpreted) will only bring destruction in its most potent forms ever.Recommend

  • Abdul Qadir
    Mar 4, 2011 - 6:41PM

    Nawaz sahib is the perfect candidate for the KhilafatRecommend

  • Meera Ghani
    Mar 9, 2011 - 9:16PM

    Study history and know your religion. Caliphate was a system not prescribed in the Qur’an or by the Prophet (pbuh). It was put in place after his death. If you study the Qur’an it promotes a democratic system where the State is accountable to the people and is not theocratic. Islam does not prescribe any form of clergy and strictly prohibits talqid (you know what that is dont you?). In present day and age no Caliphate will be different to the dictatorships and theocratic totalitarian states we see around us. The very systems the Arabs are trying to fight. You want a revolution, how about revolting against the rampant extremism and lawlessness that is forcing us into silence and soon oblivion. Recommend

  • KR
    Mar 14, 2011 - 9:58AM

    I would love for some religious scholar to explain to me and to the rest of the nation that if we are so deeply religious people and strictly follow all the rules why is it that we are one of the most corrupt nation in the world, why can’t an average person can get a fair treatment from local police, why do we have shortage of electricity and even drinking water probably because the same people that are going around preaching religion are the same one that don’t pay their taxes or steal electricity and water. Till we find a way to elima

    There is more Islam in Pakistan but true Muslims are very hard to find and that’s the reality.

    Till we find a way to curb corruption we will always be a great nation of beggar, always looking to foreign for aidRecommend

  • Humayun
    Mar 19, 2011 - 8:55PM

    Confused Nation.Recommend

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