Indian military asks govt to consider 'punitive' cross-border strikes

Published: September 19, 2016
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File photo of Indian army on LoC.

File photo of Indian army on LoC.

The Indian military is determined to turn the heat on Pakistan in the aftermath of Uri base attack which claimed the lives of 17 soldiers in Indian-held Kashmir on Sunday, Times of India reported.

The Indian army has reportedly resolved to use concentrated artillery barrages and sniping operations and has formally requested the Modi government to consider “limited but punitive” cross-border strikes to send a message to Pakistan, which it holds responsible for the attack. “Yes, there will be retaliation from the other side but it can be dealt with,” TOI reported a source as saying.

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Some security establishment officials firmly believe that a political decision needs to be taken to send a clear message to Pakistan that “enough is enough”. “How long will we keep on absorbing terror strikes, from 26/11 to Pathankot, without effectively retaliating? Our defensive approach only serves to embolden the Pakistan army-ISI combine further,” a senior official is reported to have said.

Army contingents along the Line of Control (LoC) and forward IAF airbases on the western front have been put on “full alert”, government sources said.

India has long accused Pakistan of supporting ‘militant’ attacks in its northernmost state of Jammu and Kashmir, which they both claim in full but rule only in part. Modi recently raised the stakes in their decades-old feud by expressing support for separatists within Pakistan.

Pakistan denies any role in cross-border terrorism, and has called on the United Nations and the international community to investigate atrocities it alleges have been committed by the security forces in Indian-ruled Kashmir.

Relations between the nuclear-armed neighbors have been on edge since a New-Year attack on an Indian air force base in Punjab, near the border with Pakistan, that killed seven uniformed men.

India has blamed a Pakistan-based group for that attack but, after initial progress, an attempt to conduct a joint investigation has lost momentum.

The two sides have frozen a tentative peace dialogue.

Kashmir has been divided between India and Pakistan since the two gained independence from British rule in 1947. Both claim the Himalayan territory in full.

Indian-held Kashmir has been in the grip of widespread protests against Indian rule for more than two months, sparked by the killing of a popular rebel leader in a gun battle with soldiers on July 8.

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At least 87 civilians have been killed and thousands injured in the deadly protests and clashes, the worst violence to hit the region since 2010.

Several rebel groups have for decades fought Indian soldiers – currently numbering around 500,000 – deployed in the territory, demanding independence for the region or its merger with Pakistan.

Tens of thousands of people, mostly civilians, have died in the fighting.

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Reader Comments (63)

  • LOL
    Sep 19, 2016 - 10:30AM

    so anyone enters highly secure area in a state that has been under curfew for 60+ days passing all laser, electric and mined fencing ??

    go fool someone else India.Recommend

  • Zealot
    Sep 19, 2016 - 10:31AM

    And you think we will let you leave easily? Come you are most welcome to pakistan.Recommend

  • Zee
    Sep 19, 2016 - 10:37AM

    For as long as indian army continue its human rights abuse of Kashmiris and continue its illegal occupation of Kashmir, these incidents will continie to happen.Recommend

  • Mayor
    Sep 19, 2016 - 10:39AM

    1971, 1999 Kargil War should still be fresh for Pakistan. This time all major countries are with us, even China will stay away from this conflict due to their insistence India don’t interfere in South China sea. Expect hard times, we will make a example out of you in the coming days. Recommend

  • Pakistani
    Sep 19, 2016 - 10:42AM

    Make a movie :D, that’s all you got Recommend

  • Abdul
    Sep 19, 2016 - 10:43AM

    seriously???? are they thinking Pakistan is another Afghanistan???Recommend

  • NY
    Sep 19, 2016 - 10:46AM

    As if Pakistan is Myanmar. Recommend

  • Libra
    Sep 19, 2016 - 10:50AM

    India need a good lesson for ever.Recommend

  • vinsin
    Sep 19, 2016 - 10:56AM

    It is Pakistan who is not allowing India to conduct joint investigation in Pakistan as per agreement.
    @Zee:
    India will not allow genocide of Kashmiri Pandits. Right to kill and rape non-Muslims cannot be consider as human rights.Recommend

  • Thora Bora
    Sep 19, 2016 - 11:07AM

    It is very strange that Pakistan may be willing to file this case in Pakistani court against the rebels. Instead keeping an eye on UN, Pakistan and India should discuss the possible resolution of Kashmir dispute but presenting a new map that is easy to swallow for both nations. Otherwise insurgency will happen time to time, and the ultimate benefit will go to the Arm selling countries, and both the nation can only keep boosting up their military power for centuries with no any action taken. So let us mature stop all these things!!!Recommend

  • Ali
    Sep 19, 2016 - 11:13AM

    Let’s see what India’s got. India forgets our army is made up of 180 million soldiers. With same number of nukes. Here is an example what I mean https://youtu.be/2Yyb1qS_Io0Recommend

  • Pakistani 2
    Sep 19, 2016 - 11:13AM

    hahahahahaa….this is coming form an Army which spent six months monitoring Chinese spy drones, only to find out they were planets; Jupiter and Venus.Recommend

  • Pardesi
    Sep 19, 2016 - 11:14AM

    Guys don’t quote Myanmar as the raids claimed by India were proven to be fraud. Dreamt about rather than actually cartied out. Proof is international press, and the villagers in Myanmar who claim they never heard a bullet fired. Recommend

  • Indian
    Sep 19, 2016 - 11:15AM

    If there is any self respect , please allow Indian defence forces to take a strong action. Anyway our soldiers are getting killed , let them fight.
    If strong action are not taken then I will not vote for BJP in future.Recommend

  • Acorn Guts
    Sep 19, 2016 - 11:16AM

    It will be a very silly thing to. Do some ground recce, do you really want to hold hot coals with your second hand when your misadventures in Kashmir are already giving you bad rep?Recommend

  • Nav
    Sep 19, 2016 - 11:27AM

    In India, Defence forces are divided between defence and home ministry. Military forces are under defence ministry and paramilitary under Home ministry. They have been trained to obey the orders of the civilian government.

    In the previous instances, Indian military wanted to do lot of things, but was stopped by the Civilian government. This time also, I think civilian government will prefer to go with covert operation than going for military option.

    India is Fastest Growing Economy in the world and Receiver of Highest FDI in the world – Year after Year. Just because of incident in one remote area of India, Civilian government may not want to stop India’s dream of becoming Developed country in 20 years with the world leading GDP figures for next 20 years.Recommend

  • Hassan Shah
    Sep 19, 2016 - 11:29AM

    Looks like a Funny indian movie.Recommend

  • Bilal Khan
    Sep 19, 2016 - 11:42AM

    Question that literally begs to be answered…”are we ready to engage in nuclear warfare?”… India should know that Pakistan hasn’t agreed to no-first-use…and that’s for a reason.
    What options does India currently have ? Recognize the age-old Kashmir dispute and heed to people.
    History proves that such attacks have always had strong indigenous support and the Indian occupation and despicable attitude of its politicians have emboldened Kashmiris enough.
    For once India should realize that it is plain wrong on this issue…instead of moving towards annihilation in sub-continent.Recommend

  • Sujeetz
    Sep 19, 2016 - 11:44AM

    @LOL:
    i think u dnt have any idea about this border, it is not possible to grd every part of this border in any pointRecommend

  • Xenia
    Sep 19, 2016 - 11:48AM

    @Nav: Fastest Growing Economy..
    I would like to Point towards 800 million Indians languishing on footpaths.Recommend

  • B
    Sep 19, 2016 - 11:57AM

    @LOL:
    A few months ago, a Pakistani boy mistakenly crossed into India and was shot dead by the Indian forces. His body was handed over to your forces. Were they fools to receive an Indian body?Recommend

  • Nav
    Sep 19, 2016 - 12:00PM

    Using Nuclear weapons is not an option for Pakistan as India also has same weapons. Pakistan is majorly 2 provinces – Punjab and Sindh. If these 2 provinces are destroyed then whole of other provinces cannot sustain the country. India is much bigger and will be able to withstand any nuclear war.Recommend

  • FAZ
    Sep 19, 2016 - 12:01PM

    @Sujeetz:
    Now where I have heard this before and seem to remember Indians making fun out of it??Recommend

  • FAZ
    Sep 19, 2016 - 12:03PM

    So is this about taking action against Pakistani millitary or groups like LeT? In the former case, india thinks Pakistani millitary attacked its base?Recommend

  • waqas
    Sep 19, 2016 - 12:06PM

    Really a big flop to runaway and save their nasty face in front of the world at general assembly, come on india grow up guys this is really a good topic for a crap indian movie. Recommend

  • Nav
    Sep 19, 2016 - 12:09PM

    @Xenia:

    * Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime. *

    Though I doubt the figures you have putup, but tell me how you pull poor out of poverty? not by giving them money every month. You are wrong. Then, government has to support them whole life.

    India is Fastest Growing Economy in the world ahead of even China means India is creating more jobs every day. That means, India is pushing more and more people out of poverty into middle class. That means more and more wealth created. If this continues for say 20 years – most of the Indians will be out of poverty with a stable job.

    There will be some people in poverty, but every country including US, Europe has poor people. India also Receiver of Highest FDI in the world (even ahead of China and US), FDI means investments. Investments means industry being setup across India. Industry means more private sector jobs. More youth in jobs means more wealth created every day. that means they have less time to think about some ideology as they will be busy in office 9-5 and tired in the evening to attend any socialistic or religious ideology things. It is only the unemployed have time to do all those things.

    As people get money in their hand they spend on clothes, cinema, food, cars, entertainment, education, leisure etc… This will create more jobs.. So money creates money and Job creates jobs.Recommend

  • Pakistani
    Sep 19, 2016 - 12:22PM

    RAW utilised these FALSE FLAG OPS with great effect, but now they are becoming too obvious.

    Pak forces need to seal the Western border using the same technology the Indians have deployed, to limit RAW / NDS backed terror in Pakistan (bomb attacks in FATA, Quetta, Peshawar etc).

    Sincerely hope India and Pakistan can find a peaceful resolution once the extremist Modi administration has left.

    On a people to peaple level, we need to promote peace between the countries, and I request our Indian neighbours not to be overtaken with jingosim as the situation requires wisdom and compromie on all sides.Recommend

  • LOL
    Sep 19, 2016 - 12:26PM

    @B: you have validated my point by your reply.
    1 unarmed young boy crossed and was shot dead.
    4 highly armed and equipped men crossed and were not shot ??
    Start using your brain for once.Recommend

  • shah
    Sep 19, 2016 - 12:33PM

    @LOL: Internally they knew that fuel transfer is under way, so some patsies were brought in to lob 17 grenades in 3 minutes and set fire to the loading bay.. who knew this was under way, and 7 layer security cordon of the army base was pierced by 3 or 4 idiots ???????? Hindus-tan thinks all are idiots… They dont realize that their own did it to shout all over on terrorism, them Hindus-tanis will kill their own to gain.. Lies cannot stand and it is so glaringly evident.Recommend

  • Haji Atiya
    Sep 19, 2016 - 12:42PM

    @Nav:
    You obviously didn’t factor in our subs patrolling your southern tip, which puts all of southern India, especially your high-tech sector, within a doomsday zone. Best you turn the other cheek and face the reality that the Kashmiris themselves don’t want to be under anyone’s yoke, especially India’s.Recommend

  • Pakistani 2
    Sep 19, 2016 - 12:47PM

    @Mayor:
    Indians are always like, we will do this and do that! blah blah blah……and as usual in the end, nothing happens.Recommend

  • Taxzu
    Sep 19, 2016 - 12:55PM

    I dont think India will attack Pakistan in any way or scale. Reason being following:
    a) It doesnt have that much ability to conduct an attack without getting hurt by any kind of Pakistan response. Any attack will never go unscathed and even losing few soldier will hurt India’s reputation. Only way any kind of attack will be successful if indian doesnt lose any person.
    b.) India will be constantly guessing what pakistan response will be. Pakistan may or may chose to retaliate with tactical nuclear strike. What if Pakistan uses its tactical nuclear weapon the surgical team if its big enough or what if Pakistan captures all the member of surgical team.
    c.) In case the attack is successful Pakistan will have to use nuclear weapon. Nawaz sharif will never come back to power if he chose not to retaliate although army will never allow that. And army will definitely retaliate with nuclear option. If they dont then it will open door to future attacks by India and also the people of pakistan will never forgive army.

    So I dont see anything significant happening. If India decides to go with the flawed doval doctrine it will loose all the moral support and will gain nothing. Recommend

  • Usman
    Sep 19, 2016 - 1:42PM

    Since when did E.T. become a spokesperson for the Indian rhetoric machine?Recommend

  • Cyrus
    Sep 19, 2016 - 1:47PM

    Empty vessels make lot of noise.

    We have been listening to these jingoistic announcements since 2001. Do you guys even remember what actually happened back in 2002 when you assembled million plus army at our borders?

    You withdrew shamefully without even firing a single shot or crossing the international border while trampling over your own landmines killing hundreds of your soldiers.Recommend

  • Libra
    Sep 19, 2016 - 2:14PM

    @Indian:
    When your 800,000 army personnel couldn’t fight with bare handed Kashmiri citizens. You shouldn’t think about fighting with an army known as the best in the world. Recommend

  • True Pakistani
    Sep 19, 2016 - 2:52PM

    Dear Indians,

    You’re more than welcome here in Pakistan. Please make sure your soldiers pack some wood logs in their rucksacks for us to cremate their bodies. We don’t have enough wood to waste here in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Jalbani Baloch
    Sep 19, 2016 - 3:38PM

    Any misadventure from will be dealt with iron-hands. So, India must not make mistake of crossing the line of control, which is a temporary ceasefire between the two countries, until the issue of Kashmir is resolved as per the aspirations of Kashmiri people. Recommend

  • Jawad
    Sep 19, 2016 - 4:16PM

    India wants to make Pakistan just like IOK where they are killing and raping them for 70 years. Recommend

  • Zealot
    Sep 19, 2016 - 4:40PM

    @Jawad:
    Pakistan love to get wiped out or love to wipe out india from the globe but must not surrender to india this time…..ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!Recommend

  • Libra
    Sep 19, 2016 - 4:51PM

    @Jawad:
    Indians can only have nightmares.Recommend

  • Omer
    Sep 19, 2016 - 5:04PM

    @B:
    So you say “A Pakistani boy mistakenly entered Hindya and got killed” Your forces can kill anything that crosses border but somehow kept sleeping when 4 armed men were heading towards a goddamn army base? You guys are fooling yourselves, fed with hatred for Pakistan you can only blame without investigation and believe me if you ever dare to do an adventure in Pakistan thinking it’s Afghanistan or Bangladesh, we’ll make you forget 1965. Recommend

  • SB
    Sep 19, 2016 - 5:05PM

    Not a bad ideaRecommend

  • Indian
    Sep 19, 2016 - 5:22PM

    @Pakistani:
    We will my dear, but unfortunately you wont be around to watch it post its release.. Recommend

  • kamal
    Sep 19, 2016 - 6:03PM

    We dare you!!!! Enough said. Uniformed enemies we have save for special treatment. Recommend

  • md wahid
    Sep 19, 2016 - 6:16PM

    there is a certain pattern. The unusual surge of attacks on military bases, more and more intrusion reports, kashmir uproar and India suddenly stocking up it’s foreign reserve. Did you guys notice that india crossed $370 billion in foreign reserve some days back. The amount is just staggering. They are preparing for war, because they have made sure that they can afford one. The question is can we, with a foreign reserve worth $23 billion afford one?Recommend

  • JK
    Sep 19, 2016 - 6:50PM

    I am still stuck at the headline that starts with, “Indian Military asks govt”. Should it not be “Indian Military tells govt”? It just goes to show where Indian Military stands.Recommend

  • B
    Sep 19, 2016 - 7:45PM

    @LOL:
    My answer was on the porous borders. As for this attack we were not lucky to detect them.Recommend

  • B
    Sep 19, 2016 - 7:50PM

    @Omer:
    Yes our forces were asleep. Can you say the same about your forces where 60,000+ have died. Even after Zarb-i-Azb, you have weekly bombings.Recommend

  • dave
    Sep 19, 2016 - 7:59PM

    @Libra:
    ‘Best army in the world’. It is over a year and a half since Zarb-i-Azb and still no dent on the rag tag TTP

    @True Pakistani: Keep the wood to yourselves. You need them more every week after the bombings.Recommend

  • Raza
    Sep 19, 2016 - 8:07PM

    @LOL:

    Well said either that or their military are totally inept.

    If India want a war (which I doubt since they don’t have the guts), then bring it on.Recommend

  • True
    Sep 19, 2016 - 8:09PM

    @Libra:
    Your best army pleaded for safe passage in Kargil… your own generals prove it.Recommend

  • Wise guy
    Sep 19, 2016 - 9:04PM

    Quite obviously India can’t control its border despite stringent measures and then they blame others. Or they orchestrated themselves. That’s the only possible explanation of what happened in Uri.Recommend

  • Pakistani
    Sep 19, 2016 - 9:51PM

    We are sick of your rhetoric India.You were supposed to attack in 1986,1999,2001 and 2008.Come on now we wait.Recommend

  • Pakistani
    Sep 19, 2016 - 9:56PM

    @md wahid: When you are in a state of war you dont pay your external debt so yes we can afford a war.Recommend

  • Faizan
    Sep 19, 2016 - 10:49PM

    Indian army can’t even fight Kashmiri civilians how are they going to face a battle hardened army? Child killers and rapists can’t fight wars they can just make hollow threats like their leader Modi. Your hindutva philosophy of a greater india will always be a dream…keep dreaming indians because that’s the only thing you are good at.Recommend

  • awais ahmad
    Sep 19, 2016 - 11:53PM

    Waiting for our neighbours to visit us with their old army.Recommend

  • Omer
    Sep 20, 2016 - 10:44AM

    @B:
    First thing Border between India & Pakistan are not at all same as borders between Pak & Afg. At PakAfg we have people flowing and out freely, no fences and just now we have started to place check posts. My question remains, when you guys can catch a freaking pigeon, how come 4 armed fighters managed to infiltrate into your most secured base just days before UN, oh you Indians think people will believe your drama, You killed your own uniformed terrorists so that you can show the world how innocent you are.

    Second Thing: You’ve been mentioning Zarb e Azb a lot and trying to narrate that it failed. You’re clearly ignorant about the facts of Zarb e Azb. I don’t want to brag about it here.

    Third & Last: I was waiting all night for news of Surgical Attacks and Hindutva Bombs falling on Pakistan. When are you guys going to do anything about it? You WON’T not that i am trying to say that you’re cowards, which most probably you are, you will not because your PM and your machinery knows it’s an inside job to weaken the Kashmir struggle in front of UN. Recommend

  • khurram shahzad
    Sep 20, 2016 - 12:29PM

    @Mayor:
    If you mean to warn Pakistan then remember. We are ready. Please come. While crossing border just keep on thing in your mind that there will NO WAY BACK and we are war ready for last 16 years. Recommend

  • khurram shahzad
    Sep 20, 2016 - 12:30PM

    @Indian:
    Go & watch some B-Grade indian movie. Recommend

  • Lakhkar Khan
    Sep 20, 2016 - 9:31PM

    “Indian military asks govt to consider ‘punitive’ cross-border strikes”

    You can come inside Pakistani border with Indian permission but will have no permission to go back. Another words, you will not be leave Pakistan on your own. Recommend

  • Cba
    Sep 21, 2016 - 7:28PM

    I bet India will never attack Pakistan. They know their strength which never allows them to take on Pak. Just rhetoric and blames will keep going. Better to build toilets for half of Indian population. Stop day dreaming. Keep cool.Recommend

  • xenia
    Sep 22, 2016 - 2:03AM

    @Nav:
    India is ahead of China.. USA, Netherlands , Germany….
    You know what is FDI… only indians know that.
    More and more people are coming out of poverty line…
    Now India is planning to build one billion toilets for future generations…
    Moreoover India has the plan to educate people to start eating eggs to have better physiques and ultimately India will have at least five fast bowlers in her National cricket team.. a national dream to come true…
    bla bla bla bla bla………. Recommend

  • true
    Sep 22, 2016 - 3:47AM

    @xenia:
    No need to be xenophobic dear. India is certainly not ahead of China or anything but certainly ahead of you guys otherwise there was no need for the guys having clean toilets, lots of protein in their bodies and high intellect in their minds to line up for medical, work or toursit visas to a country where according to you some 800 million sleep on footpaths (as per your country records or google engine developed in Pakistan) and have no sanitation facilities. If not just google (not the Pakistani version) how many Indians complain about rejection of their Pakistani visa application and vice versa. That should be clear But again it takes courage and itellect to accept things. We ourselves cry about the absence of basic facilities and how to overcome it rather than being rated as dangerous, volatile or international migraine and playing the privileged class card.Recommend

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