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Samjhauta probe: India refuses to share confession

India says Samjhauta Express probe is still in its preliminary stages, Pakistan's demand is premature.

Kamran Yousaf January 11, 2011

ISLAMABAD:

India on Tuesday refused to hand over the Samjhauta Express bombings suspect’s confession to Pakistan, saying that the probe is still not complete and that Pakistan’s demand is premature.

According to a news report on the site NDTV.com, India refused to share the details because the investigations are at a preliminary stage. The Indian Ministry of Home Affairs asked the Ministry of External Affairs to tell Pakistan that India cannot share the information.

Updated from print edition (below)

Samjhauta Express bombings: Pakistan summons Indian diplomat

Pakistan has urged India to share the findings of investigations into the Samjhauta train blasts at the earliest, after latest disclosures that suggest Hindu extremist outfits were behind the February 2007 terrorist incident.

A jailed Hindu extremist leader recently confessed his involvement in several terrorist incidents including Samjhauta train bombings that killed 68 people, most of whom were Pakistani nationals.

A top Indian diplomat was summoned at the Foreign Office on Monday to convey Pakistan’s concerns on the involvement of Hindu extremist organisations in killing Pakistani nationals.

The Acting High Commissioner of India GV Srinivas was conveyed Pakistan’s renewed demand seeking the findings of investigations conducted by the Indian authorities into the Pakistan-India friendship train service.

“His attention was drawn to the recent reports in the media on the investigations into the Samjhauta Express blasts of February 2007,” said a Foreign Office statement.

Media reports say Swami Aseemanand, a leader of Hindu extremist outfit Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), confessed before a judicial magistrate that he and his fellow RSS activists were involved in blasts on Samjhauta Express, at mosques in Malegaon in Maharashtra state and Andhra Pradesh’s state capital, Hyderabad, and a Muslim shrine in Ajmer in Rajasthan.

RSS shares close ties with India’s main opposition Bharatiya Janata Party. Aseemanand was arrested by authorities in November last year.

In his confession he reportedly said the bombings were in retaliation to Muslim militants attacking Hindu temples. “I told everyone that a bomb must be responded with a bomb,” Aseemanand exhorted.

“Pakistan is awaiting the progress made by the Government of India in the investigations into the Samjhauta Express blasts,” said Foreign Office spokesperson Abdul Basit.

Another official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said Pakistan would raise the issue at the foreign-secretary level talks scheduled to take place in the first week of February in Bhutan.

“The foreign secretary will certainly take up this issue with his Indian counterpart, as Pakistan believes the masterminds of the Samjhauta train bombings must be brought to justice,” the official added.

In February 2007, bomb blasts tore through two carriages of the Samjhauta Express as it travelled past Panipat towards Amritsar on its way to the Pakistani border.

Published in The Express Tribune, January 11th, 2011.

COMMENTS (59)

Mohsin | 13 years ago | Reply @Anoop: Dear Anoop now in Pakistan the Judiciary is not sparing anyone, the Govt., the military, the Moulvis (recently the Haj Minister who belongs to a religious family) all are grabbed and sent to jail if proven guilty. Now how can Hafiz Saeed remain free under this situation? If anyone brings any proof against him, Insha Allah our Judiciary will send him Jail also and no one in Pakistan will object. Please make sure that justice will take place in Pakistan and same is expected in India also. By the way we did not see Justice from Indian courts in the BABRI MASJID case Bye

Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply @M Bilal, "Yes when it comes to Kashmiri and Indian Muslims, it becomes essential as the bonding is very strong with them." --> So? Uighur Muslims might not have Cultural linkages with people in Lahore or Karachi but they certainly have linkages in border areas,especially FATA. So, ideally you and your Government should take up the matter with China too. So, please dont give me that lame reason. When Pakistani Islamist Terror group LeT attacked Mumbai, 40 Muslims died. If you care about Indian Muslims so much then lock up UNSC blacklisted, Interpol Red Corner Notice target Hafiz Saeed. Terrorist on 26th November couldn't tell the difference between Hindu and Muslim could they. "Religion my dear gives you reason of life." --> The only thing you need is a sense of Humanity. Not having Religion doesn't mean you are an atheist. The important thing here is being Spiritual not Religious. Spirituality has no bounds and helps you acquire wisdom, Religion draws a circle around you and asks you to stay in that Circle. And, some greatest people are Atheists, and they have found reason to live and enjoy life. I daresay, Religion makes no sense if you think about it. How are you and I different? We are from the same species. "Nepal too just recently has switched itself to democratic form of government" --> Come on. You know the flaw in this argument. Hindu Culture doesn't interfere into the the matter of the State. But, not Islam. Hindu Scriptures are mere guidelines not Commandments. A Nepalis have voted in the Maoists who are by Principle- Atheists as all communist inspired groups are. Can that ever happen in Pakistan, whose very Constitution says Islam is the main Religion and all that? "The Islam is full of tolerance and peace, " --> Islam that you know and practice is very different to what the Taliban understand of it. The only justification for this dichotomy is maybe due to the massive scope of misinterpretation and sometimes violent misinterpretation depending on the Individual and Society. I hope we dont discuss Religion anymore. What is the point in discussing something that is so not normal and has given rise to conflict in and among Men?

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Daubic | 13 years ago | Reply Sara, you were talking about the percentage of minority communities in your society. Did you know when India and Pakistan got independence what is the percentage of minority community in Pakistan and India against the percentage right now in these two countries. You would be amazed to know that the minority community had shrunk considerably in your great country. How can you feel sorry for the Muslims and Christians (the so called minority community in India). Actually speaking they had grown in % over these years. Can you explain why is this? You talked about attacks on Masjid, churches. Good to hear. Let me ask you. Whatever you quote are old facts and as time passes, People in India are getting more matured and educated and don't think involve in these kind of activities. I accept these incident happened in the past and think what is the percentage of these incident happening in out country during the present scenario? In a country of 1.1 Billion you can pointing out 10 incidents, but in a country of 170 million, I can point out 10000 incidents including the one that happened yesterday. Who are HYPOCRITES? You mean Indians? We Indians never give under respect for our fellow Indians from different religion and different belief system. In fact even when we confront among the friends about few facts we try to explain the beauty of our religion and also hear the beauty of their religion and their belief systems. We admire the religions and belief systems of our fellow Indians. Is this called Hypocrisy? Or you people don't mind killing your minister(s) including your ex-prime ministers just because they are moderate. Just because one of judges are moderate and promised to do justice to your people, you know what happened to their kin and kith. When the whole world condemn the killing of your minister, there is growth in support for the killer Hero inside your own society. How will you call this. An Imam and his son were prosecuted to life imprisonment only because, they had torn the posters featuring the Muhammad the PROPHET. Is the life of two persons inferior to those posters in Pakistan?

Ahmer Ali | 13 years ago | Reply Assalam-o-Allaikum Warahmatullah.In now on this attitude of Indian leaders our leaders don't wake up from the dreams of carelessness then when?Indian leaders are insincere and dishonest to resolve Samjhota Express issue then how much more they shall sincere and honest to resolve the Kashmir issue through fake peace talks?And the most important thing our leaders are ignoring,id est,how much more Indian leaders are sincere and honest for their citizens even suspected and culprits people are not handing over to Pakistan.Our corrupt leaders must learn the lesson from this India's attitude.Whereas Indian leaders' most important concern were 26/11 Mumbai attacks and on this issue Indian leaders were crying and on Samjhota Express issue they've their own reservations.One thing is proven by this Indian leaders' attitude that if Pakistani leaders obey Indian leaders' commandments and show positive response the Indian leaders are honest and sincere with Pakistan and while opposing Indian leaders always show cold shoulders even on core and burning issues with Pakistan.

M Bilal | 13 years ago | Reply Anoop, I am a very regular follower of Indian news sites and therefore know what is being cooked there. To your utter surprise, the way this Saffron terrorism phenomenon is blown in Indian media is very significant. In fact I really get surprised when see such low light thrown at this Saffron terrorism issue in Pakistani media. I never follow just one side of story so your observation that we see and hear only what Pakistani media and officials say is quite imaginary. The vote bank politics is exactly what you ignorant people call when any thing bitter but true comes out going against Hindus. It is just by reading the stories in TOI and Hindustan Times that we have realized how fatal the Saffron terrorism people actually are. We the general public always raise our voice against injustice to Muslims anywhere because every Muslim is brother to another going by the basics of Islam, but you cannot expect Pakistani government to poke its nose in internal matters of every country. Leave aside China, the government officials also didn’t raise voice against suppressing of basic rights of Muslims in Iraq, Sudan, and Chechnya. Yes when it comes to Kashmiri and Indian Muslims, it becomes essential as the bonding is very strong with them. Religion my dear gives you reason of life. It is quite absurd to feel that one has come in this world to live the life the way one wants to. Religion tells you do’s and don’t’s of your life. Code of conduct may be good to certain extent but presence of religion is also vital in ones life. I wonder don’t you feel that gap in your lives without any religion? Talking about democracy, my friend the only Hindu nation in the world i.e. Nepal too just recently has switched itself to democratic form of government, so how come you say only Muslim countries lack democracy. The Islam is full of tolerance and peace, but the only scenario when Islam permits being intolerant is when any thing against our beloved Prophet PBUH is said or when the things are made so difficult that following the basic principles of Islam becomes impossible.

Rajat | 13 years ago | Reply A lot of you guys have a lot of time on your hands.... If this much effort were put on economic development in our respective country, we would have been developed countries a long time ago..

Dr+Dev+Mishra | 13 years ago | Reply Lot of heat and dust about hindu terrorism, lets get real. If someone goes to an airport, a railway station, disco or a shopping center with his family in the last 10 years, anywhere in the world- India, USA, UK or Pakistan, who of the following is more likely to rain him with bullets or a suicide bomb- a bania loan shark from a village in India who oppresses dalits a christian hell bent on conversions a jewish settler in Hebron a chinese illegal migrant or a young muslim male of Pakistani origin? Who do you think, ppl? If you were in charge of airport security in New York or Mumbai, who are you looking for- Swedish grannies or young muslim men? Lets crush terrorism worldwide, but let us be clear of the biggest danger of them all.

Dr+Dev+Mishra | 13 years ago | Reply A very heated debate so far. Can I very politely make a few points from an Indian / UK perspective. The alleged saffron/ hindu attacks are from 2007 onwards. Prior to that, we in India had got used to Islamist attacks almost on a yearly basis- they were ghastly, murderous and indiscriminate- Kargil 1999, Kandahar hijack 2000, Parliament 2001, Akshardham temple, Mumbai stock exchange, Diwali blasts, Jaipur 2008, Mumbai- Kasab 2008 etc etc), even- heavens forbid- an international science convention in Bangalore when a professor was shot on stage. I have not mentioned the systematic ethnic cleansing of 400,000 hindus and sikhs from Kashmir from 1989 onwards. So, evil though the saffron/ hindutva attacks are, one must recognise that they are reactionary. And while all Indians say- go after Sadhvi Pragya and Col Purohit ruthlessly if they are guilty- it would be a cretin who did not realise that the primary phenomenon is far more dangerous and must be fought on a war footing. Comparing Islamic with hindu terrorism- The former is now the most feared entity all over the world with bombs/ attacks going off in USA, UK, Spain, Bali, Sharm el Shaikh, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Uganda, Sweden etc etc. RSS inspired terror is not even 0.001% as compared to this, so ppl, pl do not lose your sense of perspective. My best wishes to all in Pak, we all hope you overcome the dark forces of fundamentalism in your country. I visited in the eightees and fondly remember the warm welcome offered to me. Dr Dev Mishra, India and UK

Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply @M Bilal, My point was that Pakistani groups are justifiably the first suspects in any Terror related incidents in any of its neighbours. I realize that no sane Paksitani cannot claim that there is no Terror in Pakistan. But, the disturbing trend is that they blame India, US and Israel for this, never the actual people who do this and the people who created them- The Army. "kept the relationship between the two countries strained. " --> I dont how Saffron Terror can affect relations with Pakistan. Do Pakistanis feel they have to stand up to all Muslims all over the world? If so, I would like to ask you why no Pakistani government or leader worth of note has said a word about the brutalities in Xinjiang,China? Is it because China gives lots of aid and cheap arms to Pakistan? If so then its sheer hypocrisy. "The recent statement of Mr. Digvijay singh about fears that Mr. Karkarey had expressed just before the incident of 26/11" --> A congress guy hinting BJP has links with Terrorists. That is really fresh. If you have followed Digvijay Singh you will follow a trend of appeasing the Minorities by creating a stir. We call it Vote Bank Politics. Kavita Karkare, Hemant Karkare's wife herself has said whatever Digvijay said is for political reasons and not rooted in reality. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Kavita-Karkare-rubbishes-Digvijays-claim/articleshow/7082773.cms "his death in very early stage of 26/11 incident" --> So are you saying Hindu outfits somehow convinced LeT to attack India and target a Hospital, where Karkare and 2 others happened to be, and kill Karkare? Because there are a long line of witnesses who testified that they saw Ajmal Kasab and his associate firing at the Vehicle in which the 3 Super Cops were present. And, as we know Ajmal Kasab is a Pakistani and a LeT member, your own Pakistani government has said so. Do you see the absurdity of this line of thinking? And, the 3 Super Cops were killed well into 26/11. Hindu Terror groups are toothless. They cant even perform a single operation in a whole year, forget organizing a mammoth operation like 26/11. "interrogative agencies should start working on to find out real culprits." --> India's Investigative agencies are proved that they dont hesitate to tackle all kinds of Terror. There is no reason why they would not have pursued this theory if there were any clues. This is precisely the kind of misinformation that your Media and your Establishment are feeding you. Pakistan is a nation of dangerous levels of "head in the sand" syndrome. "the question still remains why has it not spread the way other religions have spread in the history of mankind? " --> First of all Hinduism is NOT a Religion like Islam and Christianity are. Its a culture. The 4 sacred Texts of the Hindu Culture do not speak in terms of a Religion, they speak in terms of Man and Humanity. Get my point? It would be absurd for Hindu Culture followers to spread as man made thing as a Religion when it itself is not a Religion. That is why nobody protested against or killed A.R.Rahman when he converted to Sufi version of Islam(which is essentially Hinduism in a different name), because of the belief that there are no Religions. That is unthinkable in Pakistan is you convert from Islam to other Religion. Hindu Culture is inherently tolerant and even extends that tolerance to Animals. As a result India is the largest Vegetarian country in the world. Hinduism is a relatively new term to signify the people of Indian Sub-Continent before the Mughals came. Hinduism did inspire new Religions like Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism, who combined have greater following than even Islam or Christianity. "Islam became so much of a success as a religion" --> If you say so. Considering there is so much bigotry, intolerance and no Democracy in Islamc Countries, I dont know how you came to that conclusion. Apart from Turkey, whose system rejects Religion, what percentage of them are real Democracies? As I said there is no such thing as Religion. So, follow the secular way and you will succeed. The result of doing the opposite is right in front of your eyes.

M Bilal | 13 years ago | Reply Anoop, who by the way said that there are no terrorism issues in Pakistan, my friend we ourselves are the biggest victim of terrorist activities going on in AF Pak border region. But that doesn’t give license to any one to point fingers at Pakistan every time some terrorist activities take place in their countries that too without any material proofs. The point here under discussion though is Saffron terrorism in India which not only killed many innocent Muslims and off course some innocent Hindus as well but also kept the relationship between the two countries strained. Just wait and watch you will found some links between 26/11 and Saffron terrorism as well. The recent statement of Mr. Digvijay singh about fears that Mr. Karkarey had expressed just before the incident of 26/11 and his death in very early stage of 26/11 incident are few of the clues that your interrogative agencies should start working on to find out real culprits. Hope you are getting my point.

Mohammad Mansoor Ali Ansari | 13 years ago | Reply Remembering Samjhauta Express Massacre on 18th February 2011, Karachi Press Club See Facebook for more details

Avanti | 13 years ago | Reply Pakistan is a living proof that home grown terrorism doesn't work. I am so glad that Indian politicians are smart enough to realize that and taking action on it. "You did this and we did that" is a totally absurd argument. India is doing what is right. A terrorist Hindu will be as bad as a terrorist Muslim (thanks to Pakistan for making us aware of that). So let us hope the police gets the culprits who killed the innocent Pakistanis and locks them up.

M Bilal | 13 years ago | Reply Hey Sid kay, no matter how much you people try to enforce upon others the concept that Hinduism was there since way before birth of many other religions, the question still remains why has it not spread the way other religions have spread in the history of mankind? You would definitely not acknowledge but indeed the fact is that the reason why Islam became so much of a success as a religion in this part of world was actually the cast system and injustice in Hinduism, that off course still is the essence of your religion. For your kind info, the death punishment is just upon saying any thing against our beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) that too when proved. We do encourage freedom of speech but within certain parameters. No one is given right to derogate other religion or religious personalities.

Sid Kay | 13 years ago | Reply Sara, It seems that your knowledge of history is a weak as your reasoning. Hinduism is and has been the indigenous religion of the Indian subcontinent since 3500 BC. Islam was not even in existence till late 8th century AD. The question of muslim invaders ruling India since 712 AD does not even arise. They started arriving in sporadic hordes 11th century AD and were done with the demise of the Mughal empire around 1707 AD. Islam was never evangelised in the subcontinent, but initiated through brute force as an instrument of subjugation and many of the socially deprived hindus succumbed to it. The vast majority did not as they were strong enough resist and retaliate. Hence, India is still overwhelmingly Hindu. It does not matter what Islam states, what matters is how it is practised and the motives behind it. You may like to call yourself a "muslim" and equate yourself with other practioners, but as I said before it is not your indigenous religion. The Arabs, who the originators of the religion determine your status - which essentially remains that of a subservient follower. As per your claim that ISLAM SAYS: ” LA IKRAAH FI DEEN” - “there is no compulsion in religion”, I do not know what the religion says, but try renouncing islam and you would face the most hostile persecution possible. In fact, renouncing Islam in Pakistan is punishable by death by law. So much for freedom of religion and no compulsions.

Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply @Sara, "Now plz tell me if u have any MUSLIM Chief Justice of INDIAN SUPREME COURT." --> Sorry to barge in. Not just 1 but 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChiefJusticeof_India Not only Muslims, you will find all of India's Religions being represented in that List. Lovely thought isn't it. Not only Chief Justices, Muslims have held all Constitutional Positions. ALL! Look at India's 2 biggest passions. Muslims in Film Industry(not just Bollywood) are over-represented in comparison to their demographic size and enjoy crazy Stardom(Shahrukh Khan, Aamir, Salman.. You must know them). Same in Cricket. "Tiger" Pataudi, Azharuddin, Zaheer Khan, Irfan Pathan, his brother Yousuf Pathan have played for India and 2 of them have been India captains. There was only one non-Muslim guy and he also turned in Pakistan Cricket team. Indian Muslims are similar in numbers to the Pakistani Muslims, but tell me how many have joined Al Qaeda? Indian Muslims are infinitely far better Muslims than Pakistanis can EVER be. Indian Muslims are progressive, Pakistani ones are just the opposite.

Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply @M Bilal, "Hey Anoop just recently you had Viransi blast " --> I never said there were no Terror incidences, I said there were no Hindutva Terror Incidences. You guys were so sure of yourself that Hindus are as violent as Paksitani Muslims(Mind you I said Pakistani Muslims specifically). But, that is not the case at all. The Hindu population is almost 8 times that of Pakistani Muslim population, consequently the number of Terror Incidences must also be 8 times as high.Its not. But, the numbers speak for themselves. "Pakistani organization as of now. " --> Buddy, with the History of Pakistani State supporting Terrorist organizations it is not that surprising. All of Pakistan's neighbours complain of Terror from within Pakistan, and yes, including China. 1) Iran complains of Jundullah being supported by elements from the Military. 2) Afghanistan's very existence has been threatened due to Pakistani support of Terror groups. 3) China says Uighur Muslims find safe haven in Pakistan. Here goes one report from Dawn:"The extremism that has been witnessed among Uighurs since the 1980s — when Chinese borders opened and Uighurs went on Haj or began travelling to places like Pakistan and Afghanistan" http://news.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/16-effects-of-uighur-unrest-hs-06 So, India has some justification in blaming Pakistan. You guys are the epicenter of not just for the region but for the WORLD! "Go read the comments in Times of India or Hindustan Times news sites and you will realize what actually the rubbish is." --> I read major publications from many different countries. I know many sides of a story. Talking about media show me one report where a major publication in India has published "fake news" like Pakistani Newspapers did with the recent "Fake Leaks" fiasco?

Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply @john, What a pathetic display. Check Google? Show me one independent study from UN or IMF or WB or some other neutral agency which claims that there are as many Terror groups. The funny thing is instead of listing out names, you list out numbers? Haha. And, I and everyone have to believe you on your word. If you cant back up what you say then stop making a fool of yourself.

Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply @Parvez+Mahmud, --> You cannot push anything under the rug in a Democracy. China being authoritarian can push the Uighur Muslims issue under the rug but that cannot happen in India. Interestingly, there is so much talk about Muslim apathy in Kafir India but no one talks about the plight of Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang in China. Why such hypocrisy? Does it have to do anything with China giving Pakistan tonnes of money and cheap arms? Before talking about Kashmir, hope you can just reflecting on your hypocrisy. http://news.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/16-effects-of-uighur-unrest-hs-06 I being an Indian deeply care about my fellow citizens in Kashmir and show my pleasure/displease through the power of vote. What do you guys do? Democracy is a sham in Pakistan, anyway. Your Civilian leadership is toothless.

Sara | 13 years ago | Reply Now plz tell me if u have any MUSLIM Chief Justice of INDIAN SUPREME COURT. Having a female PRESIDENT, give some high place to a non Hindu, INDIAN TECTS for giving a soft picture of her to the world. Sorry to say, attacks on CHURCHES, MASAJID, Mumbai blasts, Gujrat incident, Mali Gaon, Samjhota Express, Kashimir Issue, other States striving for independance from INDIA and many more, all this happens in INDIA. not in PAKISTAN. we only have a issue in our one province, and evidences are there that INDIA is behind it. I think PAKISTAN is waiting for RT time to present those evidences in front of whole WORLD. At least we accept what we are. we are not HYPOCRITES.

Sara | 13 years ago | Reply @ Daubic Thanx the question u raised. If u'll not ask how will u know? For ur very kind information Pakistan is not a secular country. Its an Islamic States. Its a different matter that Islam is not implemented as it should be. { u said we dont have any HINDU supreme court judge, bla bla bla} M proud to tell u, even though Pakistan is Islamic state, we had Chief Justice of SUPREME COURT of Pakistan, JUSTICS DURAAB PATEL. and in recent years, MUSHARRAF era, we had CHIEF JUSTICS OF SUPREME COURT OF PAKISTAN, JUSTICS RANA BHAGWAN DAAS ( he is a hindu) And right now he is the CHAIRMAN of (the most important and tough), FEDERAL PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISION And in few days i'll be in front of him for my Interview :) and for minority representation their RATIO is also important. In pakistan minorities are only 3%. We have separate job quotta for them. We dont threaten any non Muslim to purchase property at any value able place { AS I HAPPENED WITH SHABANA AZMI, IMRAN HASHMI } We are MUSLIMS. not HYPOCRITES. MY STANCE WAS VERY CORRECT.

Malik | 13 years ago | Reply @Anoop.....before 9/11, Pakistanis didn't have a clue of what on earth suicide bombings were. The radical change in that, and the quick transfer of militant culture spreading from Afghanistan to Pakistan is not something to cheer about. If terror can spread so quickly across the region from Afghanistan to once-peaceful Pakistan, it means that India's days are also numbered. You keep saying there are 'zero' attacks in India - same thing also applied to Pakistan a few years ago if you have a good memory. Looking at the current rate, if militancy overtakes Pakistan like its neighbour, it may as well then pass on to India (especially via Jammu & Kashmir) and in future, you guys might be talking about Indian Taliban - lets hope we dont reach that end and Pakistan suceeds of course

M Bilal | 13 years ago | Reply Hey Anoop just recently you had Viransi blast that I m sure will turn out to be a cowardly act of some saffron terrorist organization, though as always its currently blamed at some Pakistani organization as of now. Leave aside our Urdu newspapers, you people are even not ready to accept the truth disclosed in your very own English news papers. Go read the comments in Times of India or Hindustan Times news sites and you will realize what actually the rubbish is.

ashok sai | 13 years ago | Reply @ john http://keralaclick.com/blog/2009/04/21/list-of-organizations-declared-as-terrorist-organizations-in-india/ As per the above link, there are 36 organization declared terrorist out of which 10 are from Pakistani origin, of the remaining, only maoist and SIMI are active now. Prove me if am wrong with terror act done by that group with reference. So, what Anoop said is absolutely correct, it is not enough if you show some tables and ask us to google, you must provide terrorist organization with the last terror act done by them. Also those two organization i mentioned only maoist are quite in numbers but they dont use suicide bombers, blow up worship places, flog a woman in public and more importantly they dont sent their man to another country to kill scores of people. Also you told that John is your original name, assuming you to be a christian, do you have balls to appreciate Pope's comments on Pakistan blasphemy laws in your neighbourhood ?

Daubic | 13 years ago | Reply Sara, I really appreciate your definition for Secularism. Here is the examples of who is really secular. India had PM / President / CM / District Collector / High Court Judges / Supreme Court Judges / Business tycoons / Cine Artist / Music Directors / Head of Scientists / Engineers / Scientists etc..... from the minority Muslim and christian community. In India, religion is not looked after for every thing like you do in Pakistan. If you have the potential you can be whatever you want to. Religion is not a matter of concern. Can your secular Pakistan, have a Hindu supreme court judge / President / PM not in the last 70 years but at-least in the next 5000 years. Do you think it would happen. No, because if that happens it is an blasphemy sin committed by that person as per your standards. Talking about tolerance, I can go to Mosque being a Muslim and can come back alive without targeted, I can tear the wall posters that any religious or political or regional party posted in my wall without getting screwed up under the Blasphemy laws. Besides having 10's of religions, 100's of languages, 1000's of castes, 10000's of different cultures within India, we don't kill each other every week or every day as you do.

john | 13 years ago | Reply @Anoop This is not my westeren name and ur own newspapers have mentioned that u av got 174 terror org google it out and u will cme 2 know Y r u denying every thing google it out by mentonig 174 terror org in india there is an artcle on thaindians.com as well U av asked 4 20 i will give u much more than that Mizoaram =2 Arnuchal pardesh =1 Jammu and kashmir =32 Punjab =12 Manipur =40 Tripur =30 Nahurnd =3 Meghalaya =4 u wanted the names all r present there google it out and u will get the fact And its gud u will cme 2 know what u ppl r in2 V r not here for denial start accepting dont consider urself 2 b so clean Waiting 4 ur response

Raj | 13 years ago | Reply Pakistan was created for the Muslims of the sub continent, all the Muslims of India should migrate to Pakistan. Then probably peace would return to both the countries.

Parvez+Mahmud | 13 years ago | Reply Anoop Don't push state terror n Kashmir under the rug. Indian armed forces are fully complicit in terror.

Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply @M Bilal, "find out ways of tackling saffron terrorism in your own backyard." --> tell me one incident of Hindu Terror in India in 2010. Just one. Now, tell me who is to be worried about home grown Terror in their countries, you or me? What 'truth' are you talking about? The 'truth' which comes in your Urdu Newspapers?

Parvez+Mahmud | 13 years ago | Reply Hindus are very sensitive people, they get hurt very easy. That is the reason they can not tolerate minorities. Be like Cameron, Sarkozy who know how to be sensitive. Zardari should come to Dilli and denounce Paki terror and break bread with BJP in Srinagar. That is the road to Indian peace, you know what I mean.

Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply @Sara, BJP is a party less radical than PML-N. BJP is more liberal than even the most liberal parties in Pakistan.

Sara | 13 years ago | Reply It seems INDIANS are badly captured by NARCISM.

Sara | 13 years ago | Reply Indian actor's visit always welcomed in PAKISTAN and not even a single bad incident happened.(even though people say Pakistan is a extremist state) But what happened with SHAKEEL SADIQQI? Again SECULAR INDIA.

Hrithic+Roshan | 13 years ago | Reply The speed at which Pakistan is heading down the destructive path the demise of this country will happen sooner than later.

Sara | 13 years ago | Reply How much PAKISTANIs are moderate, only one thing will show: Pakistanis never gave MAJORITY VOTE to Religious parties in GENERAL ELECTIONS. JAMAT E ISLAMI, OR MMA. They never gat majority, hardly 7, 10 seats in National Assembly.Always a moderate government was there. But in SECULAR INDIA, BJP was in power, and for whom BJP works, Indians can better describe this.

Sara | 13 years ago | Reply @ Sid kay Yes all people in subcontinent were not MUSLIMS from the day 1st. But there's very wrong IMPRESSION among HINDUS that ISLAM spread over TALWAAR, or imposed on others. ISLAM SAYS: " LA IKRAAH FI DEEN" "there is no compulsion in religion" Muslims rules over india from 712 (Arrival of MUHAMMAD BIN QASIM) TO 1857. ABOUT 1000 years. Why there all HINDUS, SIKH, CHRISTIANS still in INDIA? Thats sure that all those were not converted to their original religion in 1857. If ISLAM was imposed, there should not be a single non muslim in subcontinent. MUSLIMS ruled over SPAIN, christians are still there.and were even under muslim rule.

M Bilal | 13 years ago | Reply Hey Anoop dude, seems you have already made up your mind that any facts that would be going against India or would be showing ugly face of India, you are are gonna call them rubbish. Only thing that I can suggest you and many other crazy Indians like you is to get out of this Pakistan phobia as soon as possible and find out ways of tackling saffron terrorism in your own backyard. I have seen how people are senselessly commenting on your own news sites about some conspiracy by congress against Hindus in form of Saffron terrorism phenomenon. You guys are indeed such losers always found crying and never ever acknowledge the truth in first go.

tahir islam | 13 years ago | Reply @Anoop M. Thanks Anoop. I was disappointed reading all these comments and I thought I am the only one who has this opinion. "Why you both Indians and Pakistanis relish scoring points over each other . I am sure there will be plenty of quotes/misquotes flooding these pages now . Grow up please and encourage each other for good causes." But I am glade to know that I am not alone at least there is Anoop M in India who has similar opinion like tahir in Pakistan. The People of the subcontinent have been suffering for many years. Let's stop all the misfortunes. Let's be courageous and bold. Let 's tolerate each other and work for common well being.

Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply @Sara, "In 2006 Growth rate of Pakistan was 6% and indian finance minister gave briefing to Manmohan Sing, that same growth rate of pakistan is going to give a real challenge in future." --> Pure rubbish.

Sid Kay | 13 years ago | Reply I have a simple observation to all Pakistanis. I continually hear you invoking islam and muslim as being your identity. You give the impression that somehow all people practising islam are one homogenous group and that they would endorse your views or actions just for that reason. However, islam cannot be your primary identity, since it is neither unique to you nor is it your indigenous religion (an essential requirement of ones primary identity). Your ancestors were forcibly converted into the religion by muslim invaders to the indian subcontinent and used religion as an instrument of subjugating people. Therefore, practising islam make you as much muslim, as speaking English makes you an Englishman. What it makes you is subservient to the real "Mussalmans", the Arabs, who determine how Islam is practiced and preached. That may be the reason why interpretation and the practice of islam in Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan has reached a such radical stage. Converts continually trying to prove their allegiance and thereby in effect making the subjugation absolute.

Sara | 13 years ago | Reply We have enemies in our own. Only 5 years, and Pakistan can give Challenge to any State in the World. Problem is TRAITORS. In 2006 Growth rate of Pakistan was 6% and indian finance minister gave briefing to Manmohan Sing, that same growth rate of pakistan is going to give a real challenge in future. Thanx to PPP. This challenge is no more for India.

GG | 13 years ago | Reply i guess the best choice for the world would be to leave pakistan to its own fate. US should just pull out of AfPak region and let their army and terrorists sort it out among themselves. The only thing US and the rest of the world should do is stop providing any more funds (bheekh) to pakistan and stop all modes of international transportation except humanitarian. This will leave them but two choices either resolve their own mess or keep falling to the abyss of irrelevence to the rest of the humanity. simple and effective.

Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply @ABCDEFG, --> 2 points. 1) "Stop ranting on about Mumbai attacks when Saffron terror has been eloquently exposed" It was exposed 3 years ago and dealt with then and there. 2) As a result, there were no Hindu Terror Incidents in India in 2010. Since, we have walked the talk, I am in a position to advice you not the other way around. You come from a country which is intolerant, violent and where 3000+ people get killed every year(2009 figures).

ABCDEFG | 13 years ago | Reply @Anoop.....after reading this article, here's what every Indian should do: Stop ranting on about Mumbai attacks when Saffron terror has been eloquently exposed

Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply @G.Khan, "There is a difference that there is no evidence of Hafiz Saeed's involvement in Mumbai incident. No arrest can be made without a clear evidence of such involvement. He was arrested and was released due to insufficient evidence." --> The same evidence was deemed sufficient by Interpol and UNSC. Even countries like US and EU thought there was enough evidence. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Interpol-issues-Red-Corner-notice-against-Hafiz-Saeed/articleshow/4934172.cms http://www.pakpoint.com/hafiz-saeed-to-challenge-un-in-icj-over-unsc-sanctions/1721/ But, Justice System works in a different way in Pakistan, I suppose. The rest is just mumbo-jumbo from Urdu Newspapers. If India is tolerant towards Terror then tell me why no incidents of Terror happened in 2010? Can you even for a week imagine a Terror free Pakistan? The relative calm is due to the actions of the Indian Police and the determination of the Indian State to get rid of Terror from Indian Soil. That can NEVER happen in Pakistan.

Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply @tarek, "So far no evidence has been provided to link Hafiz Saeed with Mumbai attacks." --> That is absolute rubbish and a canard. If there was no evidence then why did UNSC blacklist hm and his organization as Terrorist organization after Mumbai attacks? Why did Interpol issued red-corner notice against him? India prepared those dossiers for a reason. They sent it to all the Countries and also all major forums. UNSC and Interpol took action based on those very evidence that Pakistan denies. I guess Pakistanis have a different take on justice compared to these neutral organizations. Even the US has termed them Terror Organizations. http://www.pakpoint.com/hafiz-saeed-to-challenge-un-in-icj-over-unsc-sanctions/1721/ http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Interpol-issues-Red-Corner-notice-against-Hafiz-Saeed/articleshow/4934172.cms "So far only Swami Aseemanand has been arrested" --> If you are ignorant it is not my fault. I guess you dont even read your Urdu Papers. They are screaming for about 2 years that Col.Purohit and Pragya Thakur,etc are guilty. Where is their current location? Jail "Why isn't the entire leadership of RSS under custody?" --> What does RSS have to do with this? They are a Right-Wing Organization with lower base then say Islamist parties in Pakistan. There were no Terror Incidents in India in 2010 by Hindutva Forces. Comparably there were one a day in Pakistan during the same time. I think more than India, Pakistan has to lock up all the radicals it can find. But, I think in order to do that some Military men also have to go in. That can never happen in Pakistan where the Military is all-powerful. "For almost three years, India kept on harping the LET was involved in those bombings." --> Again!, its not my fault that you are ignorant and dont read the papers. 2007 was the year Samjhota Blasts took place. How can it be that for 3 years that India was blaming LeT when it arrested the leaders of the group in early 2008 and late 2007? Next time get your facts straight and come. India took action without waiting for Pakistan. As a result of that quick action, 2010 was a Hindu Terror free year. Can you imagine Terror free Pakistan for even a week?

Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply @john, "stop denying it u r nation has got 174 terrorist org" --> Name atleast 20. And, point out the Terror Incidences from Last year by these organizations. I challenge you. Its funny how Pakistanis take on Western names and think they can fool others. And, also how they arrive at mind-boggling figures and numbers without any back up.

M Bilal | 13 years ago | Reply Mr. MJ Akber, keep an eye on every Hindu as well, living in your neighborhood in India. You don't know who might turn out to be a saffron terrorist later on. Pakistan do not need to scream out any louder to disclose saffron terrorism phenomenon in India, your own media and investigation agencies are doing the duty with utmost excellence :)

Anoop M | 13 years ago | Reply Here we go again . Why you both Indians and Pakistanis relish scoring points over each other . I am sure there will be plenty of quotes/misquotes flooding these pages now . Grow up please and encourage each other for good causes .

M Bilal | 13 years ago | Reply So why were crying babies Indians crying out foul about the lack of progress in 26/11 trial when they themselves have just gone through the preliminary stage of investigation in the attacks that were carried out long back? Go get the investigation into 26/11 thoroughly done again and you will find out saffron terror people involved in that as well.

M J Akbar | 13 years ago | Reply Pakistan is screaming hard to convey the world that India is a terrorist state.But all the countries know what is going inside pakistan.Even rouge countries like Iran blames Pakistan for providing safe haven to terrorists.What kind of proof they need??Leave them in their way..But keep an eye on them.

ashok sai | 13 years ago | Reply @ G.Khan Tell me one terror act done by Hindu extremists in 2010. Show, when is the last violent clash occured between hindus and muslims in India. If Mumbai is a inside act of India, why didnt your leaders had guds to say it ? When the whole world is saying that it was the act of pakistani terrorists, do you give me a statement given by your leaders (Hafeez Sayeed !) denying it. "Even SIKHS took their revenge by teaching Indira a good Lesson that STATES do not attack people’s religious sites no matter what happens. She paid the price of operation Blue star with life." Remember Lal Masjid, i think you dont want to. Can I ask you one question, What do you think about the trial of your hero Mumtaz Qadri ?

ashok sai | 13 years ago | Reply @ Waqas Dont worry, here it is, IMF sees India GDP growth at 8.8% in 2010-11. http://www.hindustantimes.com/IMF-sees-India-GDP-growth-at-8-8-in-2010-11/Article1-647145.aspx#

john | 13 years ago | Reply he confessed all this himself otherwise indians would never want him 2 .bcoz he had support from the terrorist org BJP which sit in the parliament of so called a secular india...this is really shamefull ..hemant karkare death is yet 2 b solved by the indians in a proper way...the worst is that there police and politicians are also involved in this dirty act ...what a cheap act from a cheap country from an indian u can only expect such things @anoop stop denying it u r nation has got 174 terrorist org which r busy killing hindus muslims christian....and all these government supported terrorist org r killing and raping christian nuns and killing them go provide them justice...hanging few ppl and puting them behind the bar will not help y dnt ur gov catch the top leader of these terrorist org ..is u r gov too weak or is involved with them or u have got so many ppl who support thes terrorist

Manoj | 13 years ago | Reply Citizen of Pakistan was killed in the blast, hence Pakistan has every right to know the progress of the investigation and in my opinion Govt. of India should pro-actively provide all the relevant information to Govt. of Pakistan. It is heartening to note that all the accused of the blast are in Jail, some of them for the last three years and all the court including supreme Court of India has denied them the bail. Also yesterday's declaration by RSS chief Mr. Mohan Bhagwat, calling upon all the radicals to leave the organization, shows that root of secularism in the country is strong, so strong that even the so called communal outfit like RSS is averse to Radicalization of majority society. For all my friends in India I wish to submit that although all types of communalism and violence is wrong but majority communalism is more dangerous, because it can easily be passed on to ignorant majority as nationalism. Let us not fall in such trap. India has solved many problem by having rational debate in the country, like Tamil language problem, Punjab religious problem, Mizo ethnic problem just to name a few. Let us maintain this spirit of respecting all shades of opinion, which enriches our culture. Our culture is a plural culture and let us once again be proud to claim unity in diversity.

satyram | 13 years ago | Reply Yeah, now Pakistan will use this so called "Saffron terror" excuse quiet often now. Thanks to Congress and we should appreciate congressi leaders that how vigorous and hard efforts they are making to prove their bossess sonia and rahul correct.

tarek | 13 years ago | Reply @anoop Seven people are arrested and undergoing trial in Pakistan which includes Lakhvi who was the alleged master mind. So far no evidence has been provided to link Hafiz Saeed with Mumbai attacks. . So far only Swami Aseemanand has been arrested. Why isn't the entire leadership of RSS under custody? . Many extremists in Pakistan consider Mumbai attacks as a retaliation for the Samjhauta Express bombing. For almost three years, India kept on harping the LET was involved in those bombings.

G.Khan | 13 years ago | Reply @Anoop They are not in POLICE CUSTODY rather they are in PROTECTIVE CUSTODY. I hope you understand the difference. There is a difference that there is no evidence of Hafiz Saeed's involvement in Mumbai incident. No arrest can be made without a clear evidence of such involvement. He was arrested and was released due to insufficient evidence. Establish the evidence instead of entire India singing the same "Geet" , work on trial able evidence. He did not confess but your sawmy did. And mark my words Swami is not alone. This whole RSS organization along with BJP is in it 100 percent under the Leadership of L.K.ADVANI. Muslims are not going to forget or forgive Babri Masjid. You will have its aftermath. T hats for sure. We are not Sikhs that you do operation Blue-star and they will sit in peace after that. Even SIKHS took their revenge by teaching Indira a good Lesson that STATES do not attack people's religious sites no matter what happens. She paid the price of operation Blue star with life. Therefore,Stop this Mumbai song because it is not going to create a feeling of guilt anyway and if you really want to find the real culprits , you must look inside your own country first and you will find them as you have found SAWMY. Find out the REAL KILLERS of HEMANT KARKARE and you will have the MUMBAI ATTACK PLANNERS. We both know it and You or your GOVT must stop this mantra now because it has started looking ridiculous now. Rather talking all this , You must talk about the on going State Terror operations by Indian army in Kashmir. This whole Mumbai drama was to take world's attention away from Kashmir. It s not going to succeed. The real face of Indian State Terror machinery must be exposed in Kashmir. 90,000 Kashmirs are killed or disappeared since 1980's. Who is going to answer this ACT OF STATE TERRORISM? This is the REAL TERROR not MAMBAI Attack. What is the real motivation behind HINDU TERROR GROUPS. Are not Hindus in majority in India? Against who they are formed? What is the ideology? What's their Mission? Why do they Put Bombs in minorities worshiping places and blame them on minorities? What is the Link between Col. Prohit ( an army Colonel ) and RSS. IAre Indain army and RSS towing the same line when it comes to minorities? What is behind this whole philosophy? Why do they do that? Has anybody tried to find out answers about the insecurity of this majority Hindu Terror group? Don't they have the Agenda of AKHAND BHARAT? What justifies then a Full fledges 20 years old Military terror operation against Kashmiris and not against ( Biggest threat to indian security according to PM of India) Naxalites? Why not?

Waqas | 13 years ago | Reply As usual!! India upto its games. Dragging its feet in everything from Kashmir to the investigation of samjhota killers... But i guess all of this is justified according to my friend Anoop as "India is growing by 9%" I put it in there for you Anoop, u missed it in this comment ;-)

Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply All the culprits are in jail and one of them recently confessed.. Now, where is the question of reviving the investigation? The investigation is ongoing and people are in Jail, unlike Hafiz Saeed, leader of LeT, a group responsible for Mumbai attacks. This is just a tactic to not act on Terrorists on Pakistani soil. Well, India is doing its bit, without any prompting and Pakistan is playing games.

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