WikiLeaks: A bleak vision of Pak-India relations

This is true nothing else pak always think with army mind but not with political mind
Pak prefer to talk with dissidant Indian leaders such as Gillani before going to talk with Indian
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@ Anoop You mean all the trouble being created by Pakistan If so, than how? Recommend

@akhtar,

Blame is shared by India too. But, India has not used non-State actors against any country.

Pakistan and India have to understand the internal dynamics which prevent each other from acting on Kashmir to each other’s satisfaction.Recommend

“Call me a cynic,” Sinha sighed, “but even if India were to lop off Kashmir and hand it on a platter to Pakistan, they would still find a reason to make trouble for us.”

Absolute truth.Otherwise how will the pakistan army and leaders will hide the truth that people across the border share so much in common with them except religion.There has to be some issue which divides them permanently so as to justify the need for pakistan.Recommend

@Aun,
YK Sinha is absolutely correct. Kashmir is a mere pretext, Pak can not live in peace when it sees India rising.
Regards your united India lament, India is quite happy that Pak is separated. There is no one in India that wants Pak back.Recommend

I do not understand as why Pakistan would like to have cordial relations with India when Pakistan can survive on the world map without having bilateral relations with India?

India is a pain in the neck. Just today, it was revealed by Rahul Ghandi that Hindu Extremists are more dangerous than Muslims.

So why Pakistan, time and again, is giving its hand to India and what for?

Every body in the world knows that it was India which created Bangladesh on the world map. Just yesterday, people of Pakistan watched the real story of fall of Dacca on various TV Channels.

The best course of action would be that Pakistan should broke all ties with India and ask its Ambassador to leave Pakistan in 24 hours, close down its Embassy from Islamabad once and for all.

If Pakistan can live without Israel, we can also live with India.

As regards to relatives of the people are concerned on both sides of line of border, I think that it is the third generation after the independence, and no body knows who is whose relative?

If we will keep diplomatic relations and enhance ties with India, there is a possibility that a new Bangladesh may emergy on the world map, from the remaining Pakistan.Recommend

@CYNICS … Unfortunately, to date India hasnt accepted Pakistan as a reality and therefore Kashmir, then East Pakistan, and now meddling in Baluchistan and FATA. India is a master mind of activities that eventually get exposed. The same WIKILEAKS even mentioned that the dossier on Mumbai Attacks produced is rediculous, and sooner or later it will be exposed just like how the train to pakistan incident got exposed.

Kashmir on a platter??? I bet the day, when Indians are drunk enough to do so, and Indians know very well that Kashmir issue is resolved, then they have nothing to bully Pakistan with. Recommend

@Truth: first of all, i would appreciate if you choose a more appropriate name for truth can never come from such a biased voice. Pakistanis have no issue with a “rising” india-at least pakistanis like me certainly don’t loose their sleep over India’s fiscal growth. So, it’s a huge misconception in your mind that we Pakistanis have some sort of a complex with regards to India’s progress. Actually, to be honest, I am really happy that we have an emerging super power in our neighborhood.So, please don’t view Pakistanis with such a myopic view.
It’s amazing that an individual can speak on behalf of a billion people!You misunderstood the point i was trying to make.I was talking about Indians lamenting the events of partition. Of course, the hatred that you nurture in your hearts (now) will assure that your wish is granted.

Let me make one last comment: I like a lot of Indians and I really hope that your country continues to develop the way it has.

p.s. i might be traveling to India for world cup so please pardon me if I have misbehaved :)

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I really hope ET clears this one

call me a cynic but India and Pakistan can never be friends, its a simple fact. Correct me if i am wrong but wasn’t Pakistan created out of mistrust and hate between the two communities/countries…I laugh when people(mostly in Pakistan) say, “we wish India give Kashmir to Pakistan and then we will live like US and Canada”…are u serious?….if we can live like US and Canada then how the hell does it matter who has Kashmir…we are cursed with hatred and we will have to find the option of living with a lower degree of it.

@Aun
Seriously Pakistan needs anti India rant more than vice versa….India still has an exclusive identity(Hindu or Indic culture with secularism), what identity does Pakistan have?….”muslim culture”? there are more than 50 muslim countries in the world, a Balochistan or a Pakhtoonkhwa doesn’t have to live with Pakistan to be a “MUSLIM COUNTRY”….India can live without hating Pakistan, the other way cannot happen…India doesn’t need Pakistan as a “reason to allocate hefty budgets for your military..”….you can check the figures on the GDP percentage basis pakistan is already spending more than India…and let me tell u one more thing as muslim myself…Pakistan doesn’t really give a damn abt muslims, China is one of the biggest oppressors of muslims in the world, you BFFRecommend

@Faraz
India does not have the huge military spending you talk of. As a percentage of GDP India spends far less on military than Pakistan. Being a larger country India’s defence requirements are also more. If India’s military was geared only for Pakistan we could make do with 1/10th the spending. Fact is Pakistan is no match and you are welcome to bankrupt yourselves trying to match wits with India with the size of your economy. Agar Pakistan apni chadar se bahar pair pasar raha hai, usme galti India ki nahi hai. India will keep increasing because we have bigger fish to fry. Recommend

@sharjeel khan: you are asking with what intentions does the Indian government meet with the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama has always talked about peace and never promoted violence. He and his fellow Tibetans have a refugee status in India. As a man of peace, not only India but the heads of all major Western governments meet him, except of course China and the countries that depend on Chinese financial aid.

The whole world was talking to Mujibur Rahman, including Pakistan’s dearest friend: China. On Mujibur Rahman you need to read unbiased history to determine what happened.

Regarding Vellupalai Parbhakaran. he was declared a terrorist by India and India was trying to get him to stop violence and make peace with the Sri Lankan government. Recommend

@aun.. again ignorance on part of general pakistani.. Indian leaders and public are more than happy that pakistan is a seperate state and moved long back. the book that you are talking about is written by i would say some one who was born during independence days and more a reflection of india pak during those times.. but clearly we indians have moved on.. the govt is thinking more about india and not really worrying whats happening in pakistan (untill we are attacked by terrorsits).
the question asked by your friend i think had nothing to do with mindset.. it was simply why you guys got seperated with India.. if I were you i would tell him to read history books.. because many led by Mr. Jinnah did not believe or think they could live in harmony in a country where majority were hindus. Honestly friend in the hindsight we are happy pakistan is a seperate country.
In the same way in kashmir.. only in Kashmir.. small group with similar feelings cant live with majority of hindus.. it has more to do with religion.. a section of people cant live with others. and if you talk of human rights issues in india and kashmir.. then i will talk issues in pakistan and debate will not end… so i would rather not go there. and yes indian defence budget is not just about pakistan… Recommend

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Indians don’t talk about good relations. Give them five minutes and they will start saying that Pakistan should not have been created and if we unite, we can become super power.

First Indian should accept us a separate country. No ifs and buts. Respect our choice first and then everything else.Recommend

Mr. Syed A Mateen this blogger agrees with you in totality. Talk, talk and nothing but talk is the ideology and doctrine imposed on us by America. Our leaders are indoctrinated by USA, that the threat perception is reduced by talking.

India has adopted an intransigent attitude like that of Israel which comes up with some excuse for not doing something practical on the Palestinian state and stopping building settlements on Palestinian land.

We can only live in peace, if this USA troublemaker gets out of the region and the Indians stop behaving like ‘angraiz.‘ Talk positively on Kashmir and act because it remains the undecided remnant of partition.

Salams and best wishes. Recommend

To all Pakistani friends, let me clear one point to you. The lower citizens of out country who are fighting with poverty, wont even know, what is Pakistan and What’s happening there?.

It is the middle-class people who are uplifing our economy and the country, worried about Pakistan. Our middle class people are feeling much more (huge) relieved with the fact that Pakistan was cut-off from us 63 years ago. All (the middle class) we are saying to Pakistan is, ‘don’t disturb us’ and if you cannot tolerate our rise in the global world just close your eyes.

@ G.Khan

I think I have replied you regarding out relationship with neighbouring countries. I think you are running out of ideas, pity.

Regarding Rahul’s statement, its not Pakistan facing threat from Hindus, its our country which he thinks faces. So we know how to handle our inside threats and what about he is saying ‘than the LET’, that means LET is also a threat to our country. So you first try to educate your people about your government using state actors (ISI and LET are the same) against India.

Last, atleast Rahul is worried about India, not like someone in Pakistan saying ‘let them fire the drone, we will act like opposing it in assembly’, shame on your leaders.

Regards and Jai Ho.Recommend

In order to keep the existence of Pakistan Army even if Kashmir issue is resolved PK Army will come up with something else. India Pakistan can never ever live in Peace. India should build a boundary wall separating India & Pakistan & no contact with each other since its just wastage of time & efforts. Recommend

@S.Jayete, it is baffling that you bring China into the equation, the countries that benefit the most with an India Pakistan conflict are not the Chinese, the largest defence suppliers to these two countries are the U.S.A and Israel so it is in their self-interest to fan the animosity. As far as the Chinese being Godless is concerned, did you give the same advice to your government when the USSR was their biggest ally…… China is and will continue to be a true friend of Pakistan and not a fair weather one as we have experienced with other countries.. A perfect solution would be total co-operation between India & Pakistan, minimal defence budget and the billions saved utilised to alleviate poverty but fear the possibility of such a scenario is impossible due to vested interests on both sides of our borders. Another issue which one should address is terrorists in both our countries and not just bearded ones, at long last Wikileaks has proved what one has been saying for a long while that they exist in both countries, acknowledge this fact and we might work together to rid both our countries of this menace.Recommend

@ Anonymous, not surprised you do not use your name as your remark deserves to be anonymous- was not equating the two countries- we are miles apart, one is an emerging superpower with the worlds largest population of people living below the poverty level and the other is also getting poorer by the day. If we both do not stop our idiotic defence spending and start using our budget for the progress of our nations, we can forget the hope of our children and grandchildren living without the appaling poverty so apparent today. Recommend

To my Pakistani pals, surely you don’t believe Indians are still sore about the partition, do you ? Its been more than 60 years !! Most of the people who saw partition aren’t even alive. And India is better off without Pakistan. Although, I agree politicians in India never get enough of Pakistan bashing, they obviously need to mature. There is a section of the society who can’t stand the sight of Pakistan, but really most of us just don’t give a damn about Pakistan. BTW, I wish well for Pakistan. Hope she prospers and keeps her to herself.Recommend

comonnnnnnnnn guys calm dwnnnnnnn.Recommend