Pakistan

'India will not be of any threat to Pakistan without veto power'

India not able to secure permanent seat at UN Security Council unless backed by China, Russia, said Haroon.

Express November 22, 2010

HYDERABAD: Pakistan's permanent envoy to the UN, Abdullah Hussain Haroon said India will never be able to secure a permanent seat at the UN Security Council unless it is backed by China and Russia.

Speaking to media in Hyderabad, he said India will not be of any threat to Pakistan without veto power.

US President Barack Obama's support of India's right to get a UN Security Council seat has not gone down well in Pakistan.

Haroon has called for "judicious use of resources" to achieve financial stability in Pakistan, cautioning that China and India are the emerging powers in the region.

The envoy said he had almost completed his tenure in the UN and was not interested in continuing in the post. He said he has written to the president that he wants to return to Pakistan.

COMMENTS (29)

Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply @Romm, So, you dont think Zaid Hamid is a nut-job, masquerading as a Security Analyst?

Romm | 13 years ago | Reply WHERE Has Zaid Hamid Come From? Aren't You Too Judgemental??????????????

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Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply @Romm, -> 2 points. 1) I am not forcing you to read my essays, you are well advised to skip them if you deem it necessary. 2) If you find something you can counter, please do, instead of just rubbishing my whole argument. My views are well researched and well-thought. If you have the intellectual capability to challenge my beliefs, please go ahead by quoting the point which you think is untrue. I am merely echoing top Analysts like Ahmed Rashid, Bruce Riedel, etc are saying. Not the Ahmad Qureshi or Zaid Hamid type but real world, harvard-educated-type Analysts.

Romm | 13 years ago | Reply @Anoop U need to Study great Game before Comparing Pakistan With Iran. must study the Geographical aspects and see how far are iranian ports from CARs in comparison with Pakistani Ports. Stop writting long Idiotic Essays and Counter Arguments based on just Verbosity.

Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply @G.Khan, I dont know why you think its a matter of pride that Pakistan is suffering because of war next door. It only goes to show that Pakistani state is vulnerable enough to be affected by wars next door. Pakistan could have been easily opted out of these wars. First war: Pakistan is not the only Majority-Muslim country with which Afghanistan has a border. Pakistan bent over backwards to fund the fight against USSR to primarily please the US(How fitting is it to be double crossing the same super power now). Why did not Iran support the US,like Pakistan? Pakistan wanted US attention which would bring it money and most importantly weapons to fight India. It had nothing to do with Muslim Brotherhood theory, else Iran could have jumped into the frame too. You were either emotionally blind or strategically it made sense to please the US, not the idiotic reason that you pose above. The 2nd war is due to the fact that Pakistan, even after USSR withdrawal, supported the same Armed bunch, who formed the Taliban, during the 1990s. If Musharraf had shown some spine and denied air bases and land routes to the US, Afghanistan war was not possible. But, that would make the US deny Pakistan money and weapons to Pakistan, and that was a big no-no. Even now Pakistan can end the Afghan war in a fortnight. Just close the land routes and take away permission of US planes to fly over Pakistan. But, that cannot happen as Pakistan needs US to fund its ailing economy and give it Military aid(recently US agreed to given Military aid of $2 Billion for 2 years). IMF will not be so forthcoming, then, in giving Pakistan loans. Even EU will shun you at the insistence of US. So, please stop this victim mentality. Pakistan is in the soup right now because of its idiotic policies, not because of any super power. Isn't it strange that Pakistan was US ally and India was USSR ally. We used to, whenever talking to Pakistanis, use the phrase "your ally" when talking about US. Now, Pakistanis use the same phrase with us. India has played its cards superbly, while Pakistan has bumbled. "Even if we can sustain a 4% growth rate in these circumstances , it's a miracle." --> According to your Urdu newspapers and you, India has some 40+ Insurgencies in all its states and apparently Naxalites control 1/3rd of India. In this case if India,according to Urdu Newspapers which is at the brink of breakup, can grow at 10%, then its really pathetic for a nation that is 1/7th of India's size to grow at 4%. Stop giving excuses and look deep. Pakistani economy is in doldrums because of its military. 60% of its budget is devoted to Defence and Debt Servicing. No wonder no development work is happening. Military is practically strangling the Pakistani economy. Obviously, Pakistan cannot get out of its Debts, the only way is for Military to lower its budget but that would require admitting the fact that India is not a threat as much as Taliban are! That is never going to happen. Pakistan will be stuck in a viscous cycle. PS:There were no wars in Pakistan's neighborhood in the 90s but still Pakistan could not grow as much as India did. And, India is surrounded by unstable nations but its smart enough to not let them affect its growth. Get your head out of the sand.

G.Khan | 13 years ago | Reply @Anoop We understand these MACROECONOMIC's drivers... What you do not understand that Pakistan is the only country along with Afghanistan whose frontiers had been threatened by two Super Powers and their military might; Superpower's military might that humanity had not seen so far. Pakistan had no choice to fight to defend its existance and is still doing it , this time against The USA. You have been buffered by Pakistan from these invasions. We had to face them. We did not invite these invaders. They came themselves. I hope at least you know this much about hsitory. Being in a war like situation for 20 years ( 10 with Soviets and 10 now with The USA) is not fun. How many nations can stand such hardships? On top of that What was left from US terrorism in the region , that space was filled by Your Intelligence agtencies including RAW who are causing severe Law & Order Situation in Pakistan by Training BLA terrorists in Afghanistan and sending them to Pakistan for killing and suicide missions. On this very Newpaper two such RAW agents have been apprehended , One in Hangu near tribal Areas and other in Lahore couple of days ago who was pretending as retired pakistani Colonel. Even if we can sustain a 4% growth rate in these circumstances , it's a miracle. We appreciate your growth rate. Go have fun. We have no problem with that. But learn to draw correct sample when you make a comparasion, else all the analysis go down the drain.

Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply @Romm, I am not surprised that you are questioning statistics drawn by a neutral International agency. "Has growth rate of say 15 percent brought down the number of ppl living on Footpaths and dying due to cold?" --> It has! Do you have data that it has not? Abject poverty in India has decreased in the last 20 years. The number of people below poverty line has decreased in the last 20 years. The literacy rate has increased tremendously in the last 20 years. Poor, especially the middle class, people like me, who started in the lower-middle class category, are fuelling this tremendous Indian growth. This coming decade India will replicate the kind of sociological and economical transformation that happened in China during the 1990s. Poverty is certainly a big problem in India but we are dealing with it. Its not a walk in the park to reduce it overnight. India is the 2nd fastest growing country in the World! What more do you want us to do! We are going to become the fastest growing in the next 3-5 years. The next time you talk about poor in India, keep in mind that India is working on its problems, even though the magnitude is enormous, while Pakistan which did have a better economy than India's till the 1990s is barely growing at all! Do you know every year Pakistan has to grow at 6% to just to generate enough jobs to satisfy the people coming out into the job market that year? At what rate is Pakistan growing now? 4%. Only at 2/3rd of the rate it is supposed to. If you take the average growth rate of Pakistan since the 1990s you can clearly see that while the population growth has averaged around a dismal 2.5%, Economic growth is hovering at 4%. Every year Pakistan doesn't meet its mark, about 3 to 4 Million people in Pakistan go into poverty. Next year too Pakistan will be growing at 4%, so in the 2 years Pakistan will have pushed about 8 Million into poverty. The bottom line is while India is bringing people out of poverty, Pakistan is pushing them into it. P.S. What ever statistics I've quoted above, I can back it up.

Romm | 13 years ago | Reply Again same Question?????????????? Did it make any difference to people living on Footpaths? Pls don't talk Statistics, talk sense! Has growth rate of say 15 percent brought down the number of ppl living on Footpaths and dying due to cold? We obviously can't compare ourselves with u because like u, we neither have Economic growth nor Homeless ppl.

Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply @Romm, I urge you to cancel your prescription of Urdu Newspapers which have filled you with incorrect statistics. Lets see what institutions like WB say about India and compare it with your country. http://data.worldbank.org/country/india India's poverty rate- 28.6% http://data.worldbank.org/country/pakistan Pakistan's - 32.6% India is growing at nearly 10%, while Pakistan is growing at less then half that rate- 4%. So, my man, we are doing just fine thank you very much. You say India's growth is for 1% of the population but you base your figures on mere fancy not reality. Oh, I forgot to mention. With a population growth rate of 2.5%, Pakistan's real growth rate reduces to just 1.5%. You have bigger things to worry about than worrying about India.

Romm | 13 years ago | Reply @Anoop If Purchasing power Parity in india was 4th highest in World, has it made any good to its citizens when millions are living on Footpaths and Starving to Death. Only 1 percent of indian population has benefited from this so-called economic Growth. Will permanent seat in UNSC replace Cycle Rickshaws with Mercedes Taxis in India. Instead of False Glorification of Economic Growth. Indians should come out utopia and talk sense.

Romm | 13 years ago | Reply @Anoop Its funny reading drawing comparison between India and Russia. 1. Russians being a revolutionary nation give Birth to Balshovics and leaders like Lenin, Stalin , and countless more . Can u name a single indie Politician of such Stature. 2. They repulsed, world War German onslaught. They once Again have emerged as world player despite Dis-integration in 80s, whereas India has always been Invaded by outsiders. Think Rationally and then Decide..

Romm | 13 years ago | Reply @Gunjan How fragile and Vulnerable India is? We want to let u live in peace but if U STOP talking and acting against Pakistan. In India, even if a push Biker falls down due to Slippery road, Pakistan is Blamed for that. Now indian establishment has made state policy of isolating pakistan by Mourning about Bombay attacks, whenever any foreign head. It speaks nothing but indian helplessness, despite so called economic growth, but speaks Psychological Deprivation.

sharjeel khan | 13 years ago | Reply @Anoop its gdp per capita which really matters( it tells about generall level of average person, not the whole economy) and ,unfortunately, india and pakistan have almost same rankings in this regard despite india boasting double digit growth and shining india http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ListofcountriesbyGDP(PPP)per_capita

G.Khan | 13 years ago | Reply @Anoop It's not Sharjeel who has been brained washed. It is you and like you others who are completely brained washed. All you can see it 9% growth and think with that everyone should immediately fall on the ground and start singing hymns in your praise, and put his forehead on the ground for you. This is this arrogance that makes you disrespect nations and their people. This arrogance with unknown sources, forces you to seek a place in a global security set up to screw the world even more. Because nothing good can be expected of you. By the time you will reach US's GDP, the UNSC will not even exist. LOL. You can sit alone their and exercise your POWER ( Quote:" Why India needs UNSC seat? Because of power and influence.") what will it look like sitting alone there, do tell us around half century later. We would be glad to listen to you. I can assure you the Soviet Model that you followed ceased to exist after their defeat in Afghanistan and soon you will see the American influence waning after Afghan war. The only Rising Power is China you like it or not. They are universally respected where as you are not. And that is very important to be influential. UNSC was invented to divide the world into two blocks, Communist and Capitalist, and to rule the world through fears of nuclear war between two big powers. Only these two supposedly held the big arsenal of nuclear arsenal. Today, more states are equipped and if they ever fought a nuclear war, size of a state would not matter. UNSC will become obsolete soon as multi-polar world is emerging. If you are doing it just on the basis of Power and Power hunger, you will be badly disappointed. World History has not created Bigger Powers than Soviet and US. They were both UNSC members and had influence on the globe, yet they were both defeated by the hand of a nation which was last on the world growth rate, Afghanistan. Did their influence worked for them there? Did their growth rate matter any more? LOL. You think yours will work perhaps? Therefore, the future World will not need you through SC to decide their faith. They will decide it on their own. Future world will be multi-polar. Economic power through trade and commerce will be more important. Then their influence or liking will also depend on how world countries like them and perceive them. That will determine their enhanced global role. If people like more China than yourself than you can not force anyone to like you more. Two countries tried that in Afghanistan through Military means and both failed regardless of their HIGH GROWTH RATE & Military Might. You want to try that example? Be my guest!!! LOL

Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply @G.Khan, UNSC seat for India is inevitable but its not going to happen this decade or the next. When India outgrows USA's GDP by then it would be foolish to keep a humongous democratic economy with 1/6th of the World's population out of UNSC. Why India needs UNSC seat? Because of power and influence. The USSR example with League of Nations is right in front of us. @sharjeel khan, Your Urdu Media brainwashed mind might have missed it but India already has the 4th largest GDP in PPP terms. Is it that hard to climb 2 places with a population 4 times that of the US? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ListofcountriesbyGDP_%28PPP%29 FYI, just to put things in perspective the difference in might of India and Pakistan, Pakistan is in the 27th place(Source: the above link). It can never get even into G20 on its own strength.

gunjan | 13 years ago | Reply @Romm If you allow us to live in peace, we will be happy to read about Pakistan once a year.

gunjan | 13 years ago | Reply Your forefathers took a part of India away from it just becase they chose to follow another belief. Prove us that it was worth! Do not think of India. Focus on your country's growth.

sharjeel khan | 13 years ago | Reply @Anoop and when do you see that glorious day of india becoming 2nd largest economy comming?????? not atleast in 21 st century

Tony Singh | 13 years ago | Reply Hypothetically, say we have a permanent seat in UN,with veto power, what then? What purpose does that power serve? Judging by the way the P5 has used it, has not amounted to much. If UNSc vetos a resolution, then we have" coalation of the willing"( Iraq war). It annuls everything. I wish our leader show more of their leadership role domistically rather than internationally. We have miles to go. We should avoid this egoistic high and instead concentrate on our education and other social problems. If we achieve those, the world will come to us.

Romm | 13 years ago | Reply @Daubic If india is not concerned about pakistan, why are they Mourning the sale of F-16s to Pakistan? Indians are pakistan Centric and will continue to do so, due to thousands of years of Deprivation.

G.Khan | 13 years ago | Reply @Anoop Why are you getting so impatient to be on the UNSC permanent member seat? What's there? What is there that you can not achieve from where You are ?

G. Din | 13 years ago | Reply US Congress has passed a unanimous resolution asking the international community to expedite induction of India into the Security Council.

Anoop | 13 years ago | Reply The day India's GDP outstrips the US, the UNSC seat is on. Russia was kicked out of League of Nation but was INVITED to be int he UN. Why? Only a fool would ignore a Super Power when passing a resolution. India only has to pass a law that any UNSC resolution has to clear its parliament for India to follow it, UNSC will be redundant when it becomes the 2nd largest economy in the world..

Ronit | 13 years ago | Reply Russia is already backing India....i know more abt UN than this guy...sweet!!

Nesh | 13 years ago | Reply Pakistanis should forget about India and concentrate on Pakistan instead. It is not pre1947, it is 2010. Indians are not in the mood of to influence or belittle Pakistan, India is more focused to improve its ranking internationally and to increase its engagement with the world community. Bottom line, Pakistan shouldn't be worried about India unless Pakistan play nasty tactics (i.e terrorism and Kashmir) against India. If both could work to find the solution for 'K' and terrorism then there will be a new friendship in the region which will be good for the world at large. -Peace-

Rehan | 13 years ago | Reply Zomg! Just don't understand why is Pakistan always skeptical of India. It should concentrate more on its growth and development rather than keep worrying about India. Shucks!

Atif Khan | 13 years ago | Reply I didnt know Pakistanis would be an Indian mouthpiece.

SK | 13 years ago | Reply Just the headline tells me that Pakistani govt has already assured Indians of its support for permanent seat behind the scenes, now OUR people in UN are trying to make us understand.

Daubic | 13 years ago | Reply There is no need for external threat to Pakistan. I don't know why leaders in Pakistan are always behind India for everything. If India got Nuclear Deal, they cry foul. if India is becoming powerful, they cry foul. If somebody supports India for UNSC seat, they cry foul. Pakistanis should understand that instead of crying foul, you should think about how to become stable financially without begging for your daily wages and expenses.

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