Hamza and Shoaib were reportedly trying to resolve a dispute over a girl.
In what started off as peace talks to resolve an alleged love triangle, 17-year-old Hamza Ahmed, was shot dead allegedly by the guard of a student, Shoaib, on Saturday in Khayaban-e-Seher of the Defence Housing Authority.
According to reports, Shoaib, a student at Bay View High, was harassing Hamza’s girlfriend, M*, who goes to the same school. The cousin of the deceased said that both the boys had been fighting for a long time but would settle the matter before things got out of control.
He also alleged that Shoaib used to call and threaten the deceased.
On Saturday, however, they decided to meet each other and settle the matter once and for all, he said.
Hamza was accompanied by two friends and Shoaib arrived with a friend and his guard, Amal, outside the Downtown Café. Hamza’s friends told The Express Tribune that boys were talking calmly initially, but soon after, things got heated. They said that Hamza slapped Shoaib first after which the latter told his guard to kill him. The guard reportedly used his 9mm pistol to shoot Hamza four times, killing him on the spot.
The friends said that Shoaib, his guard and the friend escaped immediately.
After the murder, the police conducted a raid at Shoaib’s house but could not find anyone. They managed, however, to seize the weapon which was used to kill Hamza. The police finally managed to talk to the family who surrendered shortly. The police said that they are still trying to locate the guard.
“I have no idea what happened. I never harassed M and that is why I wanted to resolve the dispute with Hamza,” said Shoaib. “When Hamza slapped me, I walked away but my guard got into a fight with him. They both started having a heated argument and swearing at each other after which I heard firing. Whether my guard shot him by mistake or intentionally, I cannot say for sure.”
Shoaib’s father, Naveed Ahmed, who runs a business of leather goods, said that it was not his son’s fault and only the guard should be held responsible. “I hired security from a private company only a few months ago as I was receiving threats. I only wanted extra security for my family since the law and order situation in the city is so bad.”
Hamza’s father, Talib Suhail Ahmed who is also a businessman, made it clear that he wanted to hold the guard and Shoaib accountable.
“It was an act of terror - even if the guard killed him, they should both be held responsible,” he said. “Shoaib should not be let off the hook by simply putting all the blame on the guard.” He registered an FIR at the police station, naming Amal and Shoaib, as the main suspects.
Investigation
SSP Nasir Aftab said that their main concern was to arrest Shoaib. “We have Shoaib in our custody and also the weapon which was used. We are trying to get the CCTV footage so that we know exactly what happened,” said the official. “We will investigate Shoaib, Hamza and even the girl individually. We will look at their call records and also interrogate them and their acquaintances.
Police have also contacted the private security company for details of the guard.
Published in The Express Tribune, April 28th, 2013.
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@Raja: If you know of a witness, the right and honorable thing to do would be to contact the victim's family or their attorney. They are searching for the truth. You and your friend who is a witness will have swaab for standing up for the truth. In the name of truth and Justice.
@Raja: Who is this eyewitness?
“I am sure you all are aware of the recent “incident” which took place in Karachi. There was a dispute between to boys. Now I’m sure all of you think Shoaib Naveed is to be blamed on, but did you ever think why? Because he was at the crime scene? Or was it because his guard murdered an innocent boy? Well, actually it is not his fault. Firstly I would like to say May Hamza’s soul rest in peace. I have known Shoaib Naveed all my life and he was one of the most calm and nice person I’ve ever seen. When I heard people blaming him to be the one to tell the guard to fire, I didn’t think twice, I knew he never told his guard to do anything. The real story is that Hamza had accused Shoaib for harassing his girlfriend when Shoaib had nothing to do with her. So they both decided to talk it out in person. When they arrived all was good until Hamza decided to get physical and slapped Shoaib. Shoaib went in shock as he did not expect that. He moved back. The guard, Amal, had a dispute with Hamza. Nobody knows why they had it and what happened, but what everybody knows is that Hamza was shot. What happened was that the guard argued with Hamza on “personal” bases. The guard, without Shoaib’s command opened fire. Shoaib is a person who would never even think of anything close to what he is being blamed on. The worst Shoaib can do is get into a fight, but this! It is impossible. Shoaib Naveed is innocent and I SPEAK THE TRUTH. The guard is the one who should be punished, not Shoaib. Why do you think the guard is not to be found? He knows he is the culprit. All our lives Shoaib has stood up for all his friends. Now is the time we STAND UP FOR HIM! SHOAIB IS INNOCENT! SPEAK THE TRUTH AND BELIEVE IN THE TRUTH! I, by no means will ever think Shoaib is the core culprit. People always get false information. The day of the incident, I viewed Hamza’s page and it read ‘Hamza was on his way to tuitions when he was shot'.’ People said that Hamza and Shoaib were school mates. They said Shoaib was in Bay View High. ALL FALSE INFORMATION. Now we STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH! WE STAND UP FOR SHOAIB!”@sad - In the Western world folks date, guys have girlfriends and vice-versa but this happens mostly after the guy/gal is independent financially and mature. The guy/gal stays away from their parents, take up jobs (even summer jobs during their education) and start dating.. If at all the above problem, as you say, was due to Western culture, it is due to poor imitation or half-baked adaptions of the Western culture. The guys/gals are not mature, are financially dependent on their parents, stay with their parents (meaning less or zero responsibility) but want to date each other...
Another sad story of DHA Karachi's spoilt teenagers and thier parents who are fully involved in their own self centred social life thereby neglecting thier poor children. What else can you expect. I totally blame the ignorant parents for not giving time to thier children and instead give them all the leisures/luxuries of the world for past times. God save them and give them wisdom.....Sad indeed
“We will investigate Shoaib, HAMZA and even the girl individually. We will look at their call records and also interrogate them and their acquaintances."
Investigate Hamza? It's not always about giving the story first, Tribune. Sometimes you need to keep calm and double check all that you post.
May little Hamza's soul rest in peace, Ameen.
@sad: There is nothing wrong with the culture and the films magazines etc. Parents should tell their children to learn to control anger and just guide them why you people always have to blame western culture?!
poor reporting news..
Please dont blame to western culture school or media.this is wakeup call for parents specially mothers those did not have time to teach values and roots from they belong.Now a days like other matters people take short cuts and like fast food fast track and fast decision...goli..mar..do.what is this?Now a days human treated like a wild animal.Who is giving and introducing ammunition these .youngsters.?please save them. we can do individualy start from our homes.
16-17 year old school children having armed guards? One can well imagine what kind of families they belong to.
So this is what Pakistan has come down to...where young teens roam around with their guards and take lives over girl friend claims... and people take sides to justify both.... Highly impressive...
Surprising how little media coverage is being given to Hamza's murder compared to a similar crime committed by Shahrukh Jatoi just because the killer isn't a Sindhi wadera. But then again, we just love to hate and blame all our ills on Sindhi waderas. Oye, Jaagirdaara!
Whole nation is deteriorating because of media first then by other things
how thick can you people get? Obviously, he's not asking to be killed by saying 'mar goli', he just doesn't think the guard has the guts to actually shoot him. Being a 16 year old kid, possibly with an ego, that is totally understandable. Also, this other kid, Shoaib, said in his interview that he WALKED AWAY after getting slapped which is why he does not know whether the guard shot him intentionally or mistakenly. Since he wasn't on the scene, obviously he would not know whether the guard shot him once or twice or 4 times. Be reasonable, do not be blinded by your anger and pain. One 16-year old lost his life yesterday, now, without any firm evidence, you're destroying the life of another. Inna Lilla hai wa inna ellaihi raji'oon. May you rest in peace Hamza and may you get justice. But not this sick, wrong justice at the expense of an innocent person...
A shockingly misinformed article. The author should be ashamed; the bias and lack of research is appalling, particularly given the nature of the situation. Shoaib is not in Bay View High, the two individuals were from different schools and Shoaib did not fire himself, as some people have foolishly commented. As confirmed by witnesses, Shoaib had walked behind his car having been struck by Hamzah. Shoaib's guard then fired at Hamzah. I find the guard's actions disgusting and my prayers are with Hamzah's family, however Shoaib should not be victimised. He is not guilty, and for those who disagree, at least have the decency to maintain their opinions with decorum.
@abacus: i completely agree with your opinion and point of view.
Good comment from Tahir. Surely the guard is older than the youth, And should have advised him with wisdom & not follow orders blindly. I find this a strange situation, People hiring bodyguards for there children, Who in turn seem to be using them as lackeys. What sort of society has it become ?
Once again all out efforts will be made by the Govt.& other influential people that the killer boy is not arrested & if he is arrested he is released immediately. This happens only in Pakistan.
Express tribune is such a disappointment because this news story is factually incorrect and you could possibly destroying lives because of this.
Express Tribune needs to ensure correct and impartial reporting. The article about this most unfortunate incident starts with, "according to reports Shoaib, a student at Bay view High..." is erroneous as he was not a student at Bay View High. Please ensure that before a newspaper of ET's stature reports on any story, the facts are verified so that neither misconceptions are created, nor unsubstantiated reports are put out in public domain. My deepest sympathies with Hamza's family!
I know Hamza's family. They are absolutely devastated. Before jumping to conclusions please understand that Hamza's father is a wonderful, simple, unassuming and pious man. They tried their absolute best to raise their children in the best manner possible. I can only imagine what I was like for my parents when I was a teenager. Blaming the parents or the victim or the girlfriend does not change the fact that a life was lost due to cold-blooded murder. Let there be an inquiry and let there be a fair and judicious decision about the alleged perpetrators.
btw, having a girlfriend is less of a crime that killing someone, correct? no? This happens all the time time in cities these days. There are boyfriends and girlfriends and often it is as harmless as puppy-love or college acquaintances, eventually leading to a cup-of-tea with their respective parents. This is certainly not as evil as the butchering of people that goes on in Pakistan, often un-condemned.
To all those saying ...mar goli...from the deceased was fabricated r stupid themselves..i expect a 16 year old to say exactly the same in a situation like this because THEY ARE 16....but i can not imagine a guard to be this stupid unless he was provoked to the extent to being provoked...dont get me wrong because killing is never justified but guard is also a human being and like the rest of us they have ego also. I truly thank shoaibs friends to tell their side also..i wish the news paper would have done this investigation...only one message to all my young friends ...life is very precious...enjoy to the fullest, have boyfriends ..girlfriends...who care but don't hurt any one...i saw hamza's dad on tv but i felt like crying...he is never getting his son back...same son he brought home from the hospital 16 years ago and now he is taking him to the graveyard...its very sad
so many comments for Defence Burger boy why????????
Shame on the parents and this school !
A child lost his life and all people are interested in commenting upon is whether the kid was in Bay View or these are western values and the so called girl friend M! Shame and disgrace to all. Bad journalism devoid of facts and even worse readers.
@Padishah: That a bigger issue for you than the death of a child?? Priorities are in order, aren't they!?
Fault of the affluent and ostentatious parents whose upbringing of their children or lack thereof result in a dysfunctional family. When you have got nannies and Fillipina maids raising your children. this is what happens while the father is away churning money and the mom is blowing all the money on shopping and stately tea parties.
no wadera involved in this incident so i'm guessing there won't be as much fervour with regards to this case as the shahzeb khan one.
@Zahra: "Hamza said to the guard “maro goli” to which the guard responded. Shoaib did not say anything. He is a good boy" This is pathetic! thank God you didnt think the gaurd was terminator sent from future to save John Connor (Shoaib)!!
what you have written is wrong and i would like to correct you. Shoaib does not talk to M and he has never threatened hamza or done any such thing i know that because ive known him for four years and he is anything but violent he has never thought of harming a fly let alone klling Hamza . you must be thinking im saying all this because he was my friend well no this is the truth and i was also close to hamza too. hamza had actually threatened shoaib and he had his number and address. Shoaib did not know hamza at all so he told Danyal G about this because he was very close to hamza. shoaib then went with Danyal G to meet Hamza the fight ended and it all became fine. Then after the fight ended Hamza slapped Shoaib but being a kind-hearted person Shoaib still backed off. That is when the guard put Hamza on gun point and hamza screamed provoking the guard he said"maar sakte hoto maaro" the guard then shot him 4 times in the chest. Then Shoaib got scared and obviously ran because that is the only thing which comes to a 16year olds head. the ndanyal G Hassan and Ghazain picked up the body and rusged hamza to southcity to try and save him. The police took these three to custody then however they did do the right thing trying to save Hamza. Since they were only witnesses they were sent home after giving their statements. Shoaib then ran home but the police came and took him to the station to resolve the misunderstanding instead of making it a bigger case. He will be staying at the station till tomorrow he will get his bail when the guard is found.Shoaib is innocent. And this is the 101% truth confirm if you want to get proof from the police. It would mean alot if you printed this in your paper
first they said some washington high school now bay view high. media hungry for news, not verifying facts
The kid in the picture isn't the victim, is he? He hardly looks 12, let alone 17.
@Zahra: Hamza asked himself to be shot? You are implying that he was suicidal. If you know such details, why don't go to the police then?
heights of ignorance on part of parents providing their kids with every thing except good values ,,, such parents should be held responsible what can a poor guards can do when filthy rich people order them ...
Errr.. Is it just me or is there something wrong with a kid telling a grown man to shoot some one to death. And the grown man doing precisely that!!
I mean was the guard a 5 year old??
And he was from a was from a security agency. The kid was not even paying his salary!
Any normal human being would have simply told the kid "What shoot some one simply cause U want me to. Yeah sure".
This incident is another shameful and tragic example of the "morally bankrupt" society that Pakistan has now become. Totally unrecognizable from the country I was born and grew up in the 70's and 80's. What was thr boy doing with a personal guard? I believe no professional security dfirm's gurad would be crazy enough to do this. I believe the boy shot his friend in a rage over the girl and the family is now blaming the guard to protect the boy. What a country and what a society Pakistan has become? Until and unless Pakistanis get their heads out of the sand and stop believing in wold conspiracy theories and blaming the US for all their problems, this country will never prosper and develop.
This is lawlessness not western influence, just for once stop blaming west for your failures. This what happens when you tribalise and politicise every organ of state machinery. Blame your corrupt and coward leaders.
Had the Cheif justice given punishment to Shazaib's murders rather focusing on meddling with Zardari n co (without giving a decision I may add) this just might not have happened.
@Akram Ahmed: The article does not say that HAMZA is from Bayview, it says the girl 'M' is. just thought i'd point that out.
An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind. - Gandhi
The guard should be arrested and tried in a court of law. If he did murder the boy, he should receive capital punishment. Not sure what to make of the other boy but if he gave instructions, he should be penalized strongly as well.
Shoaib should be punished! He and his father should have never hired a guard. I get a feeling that Shoaib is the guilty party and he should have never involved his guard in this debate. These are the people of Pakistan that bring shame to the country with their wealth. What was the point of giving a personal bodyguard to a teenager whose hormones were running high?!
Punishment for the guard and Shoaib. Justice for Hamza.
“We will investigate Shoaib, Hamza and even the girl individually. We will look at their call records and also interrogate them and their acquaintances."
How would the police investigate a dead person? Com'on ET, be more responsible when reporting such incidents.
ah, feudals.....
@Zahra: you need to taken in police custody to help them in their investigation, you seem to know quite a lot! ET please let the authorities know.
@sad: This is not a reflection of Western values. This is a reflection of the jungle ka qanoon this country and in particular this city has. Don't blame the West for everything, kids are taught to be responsible in most Western countries and they don't have armed guards and guns (US is not the only Western country). Don't try to use personal tragedies for your ideological delusions and misinformation.
to all those blaming the west for influencing our teenagers please how often do you hear such stories from the west? The issue is clear - such things happen but we choose to ignore them under the carpet of islamism. Another example, alcohol. We choose to believe people dont drink, but black label seems to be the national drink of Pakistan. Consequently when accidents happen due to drunk driving we blame the west - we dont think of accepting that these issues happen and we should accept it and deal accordingly. Solution? Accept that your teenage son/daughter is going to date/drink and teach them to behave accordingly!!!
"Whether my guard shot him by mistake or intentionally, I cannot say for sure.”
the gaurd shot him 4 times bacha.....mom dad say kaho koi or kahani seekhain apko
I know Shoaib. He is a gentle boy and just came 1st in his class. Please just report and don't write a story with an angle. Shoaib had not been harassing M, they were just friends who by the way were in the same class so talking to your class mate is inevitable, no.. Hamza said to the guard "maro goli" to which the guard responded. Shoaib did not say anything. He is a good boy.
LISTEN TO THE MUSIC OF THE WIND IN PAKISTAN For Hamza Ahmend//
Plant a tree for Hamza Ahmed in each area where he walked and talked and where he listened to the wind in Pakistan. Write a song for Hamza Ahmed about everything that was dear to him--his family, his friends, the music of the wind in Pakistan.//
Reach out to all the young Hamza Ahmeds in your midst, and encourage them to listen to their hearts, to the music of the wind in Pakistan. Above all, remember that one day we all will have to leave and nothing will remain but the music of the wind in Pakistan.//
Therefore, live each day with joy, with care, and listen to your inner voice. Listen to the music of the wind in Pakistan. Hidden deep inside you may find more than the sound of sadness, the sound of fury. Deep inside, you may find yourself.//
KHODA HAFEZ, Hamza Ahmed. May the wind of Pakistan accompany you on your journey into timelessness.//
Dr. Henrik Eger Philadelphia, USA
Please correct following sentence
“We will investigate Shoaib, Hamza and even the girl individually"
Whether he shot him intentionally, or by mistake...FOUR times?
and again the tribune is reporting false things
Parents of such age group children should know what their children are upto?
Had the parents of Shoaib and Hamza as well as of the girl knew as what was going on among them, they would have intervene into children affairs to make them understand as how to tackle the problem.
I would say that it was the ignorance of the parents of all the three they parents could not ascertain timely as what wrong was going among them due to which took one precious human life of Hamza.
The parents of Hamza would ever miss their son while on the other hand the parents of Shoaib and the girl would also regret the incident.
.nevertheless, unless Security Guard is not arrested, it would be premature to say anything as who asked the Security Guard to open fire on Hamza.
To heck with this nation
First of all, get your facts right. One boy was from one school, and the other one from a different one. Witnesses have already testified that Shoaib did not order his guard to open, nor did he ever send threats to Hamza. This is a piece by an uninformed person and should not have been written at all, as the case is under investigation. Instead, pray for Hamza, Shoaib, and their families as both families are going through terrible times.
what a behavior the youngsters have nowdays. killing each other óver girlfriend issues. totally western culture influence. what do we expect. ´The media, magazines, films, billboards etc. All these thing are directing the youth to destruction. sad reality of our country.
Why only take Hamzas side of the story why not shoiabs friend??? and where are the locals around?????????? AND HES NOT IN BAY VIEW HIGH. MEDIA EXPOSED.
Parents of both kids should also be charged for raising their kids in such a manner. These parents provide everything but do not teach their kids about anger control. In similar circumstance every parent should be ready to receive a call from hospital or a police station.
This guy is not 17??? And he has a girlfriend?? Go figure??
Eyewitnesses saw the little boy shooting this kid on his back jjust as he was getting into his car. Guard did not shoot anyone. sad