India orders 'aggressive' response to any Pakistan firing

Published: January 14, 2013

An Indian Border Security Force (BSF) soldiers patrols along the border fence at an outpost along the India-Pakistan border in Suchit-Garh, 36 kms southwest of Jammu on January 11, 2013. PHOTO: REUTERS/FILE

NEW DELHI: The Indian army’s chief of staff on Monday ordered his commanders to give an “aggressive” response to any firing by Pakistani forces along the de facto border in disputed Kashmir.

“We expect our commanders to be aggressive,” General Bikram Singh said ahead of a meeting between Indian and Pakistani commanders to discuss a recent deadly flare-up in the region.

“The orders are very clear: when provoked, I expect my unit commanders should fire back,” he added.

India says one of its soldiers was beheaded and another was killed by the Pakistani army on January 8, an incident that has rocked an already fragile peace process between the two sides.

However Pakistan denies that such an incident took place and says that two of its soldiers have also been killed in the last eight days along the so-called Line of Control, where a ceasefire has been in place since 2003.

Singh said the treatment of the Indian soldiers was “an unpardonable act”.

“We want the Pakistani army to hand over the head of the soldier as soon as possible,” he said at a press conference in New Delhi.

“We want to keep the dialogue process on and also explore the best ways to communicate with Pakistan but the attacks must stop,” Singh added.

Meanwhile the family of the decapitated soldier, Lance Naik Hemraj, has gone on a hunger strike as part of a campaign to ensure that his severed head is returned.

“I want my husband’s complete body. He served the country and deserves respect,” his wife Dharmvati told the Hindi-language Zee TV news channel.

Flag meeting

Pakistani and Indian army officials held a flag meeting in the Poonch sector on Monday, where Pakistan Army officials rejected Indian allegations of ceasefire violations, sources told Express News.

Pakistan Army officials also presented proof to their Indian counterparts of an attack on a Pakistani check post. They said that Indian army officials crossed the LoC on January 6 and attacked Azad Kashmir. On retaliation, they ran off leaving behind their weapons, they added.

The officials presented the guns left behind by Indian soldiers and also gave details of about more than 10 ceasefire violations by India in the month of January.

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Reader Comments (127)

  • Ahmed Shah
    Jan 14, 2013 - 12:34PM

    We must behead more and try to attack more posts.

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  • Queen
    Jan 14, 2013 - 12:36PM

    Don’t worry India, Pakistan will also show an “aggressive” response.

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  • FP
    Jan 14, 2013 - 12:37PM

    Propoganda by Indian Army.

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  • Parvez
    Jan 14, 2013 - 12:40PM

    If a ‘ war situation ‘ is created would it be grounds for postponing the elections ???Recommend

  • KH
    Jan 14, 2013 - 12:41PM

    Which movie did the indian commander see before the meeting

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  • Jan 14, 2013 - 12:44PM

    The least the Pakistanis can do is to return the severed head of a slain soldier. The Pakistanis Army people are beheaded all the time by the Taliban.

    Some were beheaded only few days ago, don’t you want the families of the slain to find some closure?

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  • supersequel
    Jan 14, 2013 - 12:46PM

    Keep talking, no one is listening. Only in your news channel this is a big story, because in Pakistan and elsewhere it isn’t. Ask Shatrughan Sinha, your parliament member, who just visited Pakistan.

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  • Hamaad Haider
    Jan 14, 2013 - 12:50PM

    Cutting heads off is signature Taliban. I doubt army men taught to fight professionally go around cutting heads off for kicks. Weakness of the Pakistani army by their engagement with the Indians is in the interests of the Taliban.

    Saudi and Iran should learn from Pakistan’s mistakes by not funding these barbarians.

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  • rukun
    Jan 14, 2013 - 12:54PM

    george orwell anyone

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  • Khan Bhai
    Jan 14, 2013 - 12:54PM

    Indian Army, ever the reactionary, wants to start a war over a granny crossing a border. What a joke!

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  • Altaf Hussain
    Jan 14, 2013 - 12:59PM

    India c’mon take aggressive actions – best way to cure all problems and differences in Pakistan.

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  • Positive Pakistani
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:00PM

    i commented before as well……it takes just a word or two like these from across the border to make all nationalists, socialists, fundamentalists, extermists, moderates, seperatists and everybody else to ‘unite’ against india…….Don’t forget the ground reality Mr. Singh.

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  • Clear Black Bag
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:01PM

    “NEW DELHI:The Indian army’s chief of staff on Monday ordered his commanders to give an “aggressive” response to any firing by Pakistani forces along the de facto border in disputed Kashmir.”
    Why Indian army is giving Jackal’s threats to Pakistan army by the few fired bullets from the other side of the LoC and why doesn’t take the decisive steps to resolve the Kashmir issue even thru war on LoC?Because 65 years’ old peace talks and negotiations have been badly failed to resolve Kashmir issue.And if India is considering that Pakistan is like a cricket team or is in like the 1965′s and 1971′s conditions militarily then this is India’s the greatest ever misunderstanding and misconception and Indians never live in the past and here I advise you that those who always live in the past and always discuss on the past related issues always make the biggest ever committed mistakes in their lives.So never consider Pakistan like it was in 1965 and 1971 and today’s Pakistan is far far far stronger and best than 1965 and 1971 militarily and if you have any suspects then come on and check your troops’ war’s abilities.We welcome you and are ready to treat you in the same way as you shall treat Pakistan.Never threat Pakistan and take practical steps if you have courage and bravery…

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  • Jan 14, 2013 - 1:02PM

    @Ahmed Shah:
    Taliban killed over 100 people of religious minority.
    And a few weeks ago 7 Pakistani soldiers were beheaded by Taliban militants.
    And few months ago the Pakistani base in Nowshera was attacked by the same militants.
    Now you are saying India is the enemy of Pakistan. Keep it up!
    As long as ur not ready to see the truth yourself nobody can help you.

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  • Iftekhar Khokhar
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:02PM

    “Indians know the consequences of this sort of “adventurism”. Indian stance on this issue is fabricated. PAKISTAN ARMY ZINDABAD.

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  • Alex
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:07PM

    @KH:
    The name of the movie is “1971 the surrender”.

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  • Gratgy
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:09PM

    @Queen
    Don’t worry India, Pakistan will also show an “aggressive” response.

    You mean “aggressive” surrender like last time?

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  • Adnan
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:12PM

    I think Indians are over reacting to over shadow the Rape controversy of Dehli as international media was also highlighting that. otherwise India Knows How severely Pakistan can react to there aggression.

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  • I.kash
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:13PM

    If india is comparing itself with superpower then you should have guts to give answer to pak………but reality is pak hav guts & india is only playing Blame game towards pak……..Recommend

  • Super Star
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:16PM

    @KH

    We are seeing destruction realities not movies daily in Pakistan. We dont have to take any revenge. Your own people are doing that for us daily with the beheading and suicide bombings and the count is increasing. India and the rest of the world have to just sit , watch and enjoy the destruction.

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  • murali
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:17PM

    @Ahmed Shah:

    Thanks for accepting the fact of beheading is your habitual behavior.

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  • H. Khan
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:19PM

    Both sides should exercise restraint
    Wars are just not right.They cause misery

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  • Indian
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:23PM

    India has patience and will not go to war,we value life, hope India will become stronger over time.India has second largest army in the world after china.Our aim is not war we are more interested in building economy and make our citizens rich and happy.India could have gone to war in the past especially during kargil but the nuclear weapons of Pakistan is one of the reasons stopping India to go to war against Pakistan and also war is pointless and useless.We had four wars with Pakistan with no result or solution.War only leads to death,hatred,physical psychological pain and economic drain. Aman ki Asha is the solution for peace and friendship with Pakistan.

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  • o2
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:23PM

    As if Pakistani soldiers are equiped with toy guns? nice media show :) our COAS does not require such media stunts, he will answer directly on LoC ;)

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  • Indian
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:29PM

    @Ahmed Shah: I have no doubt you can count your IQ on the fingers of your hands. Every person killed leaves behind him a wake of sorrow and hurt. Imagine your father or brother or sister being killed brutally. The pain is the same regardless of what passport you hold. Assuming of course, that you are human is the first place. You comment suggests otherwise.

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  • Gautam
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:30PM

    @I.kash:
    it’s not about guts but still India wants to give peace a chance and telling very blutly that no more mincing of words will happen. Army will response hard to any misadventure,
    Hope you understand now!!!

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  • Imran
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:35PM

    I seriously feel like laughing out loud lolzzzzzz at Indian army chief comments

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  • Polpot
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:37PM

    @KH: “Which movie did the indian commander see before the meeting ”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    KARGIL.

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  • SLDUA (Noida)
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:37PM

    @Ahmed Shah:
    and @Queen: Comments of Ahmed Shah and Queen here make it clear that their religion has transformed them into subhumans. Ceasefire violations or cross LOC firings go on between the two armies and soldiers are also killed, there is nothing special about it. But this incident is special because against all International Conventions, the bodies of the soldiers have been mutilated (and this is not the first time Pak army has done it. This is not allowed between the armies. The people or persons who are shamelessly supporting such barbaric act can only be called subhumans.

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  • Sidd(India)
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:37PM

    My Pakistani friends, due to these unabashed jingoism you country is already broken into two parts, don’t expediated the process to break it in multiple parts. First look at your back yeard and fix your own issues(Taliban,Baloochistan,Shia-Sunnin etc), then think about waging a war against India.

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  • Dinesh
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:38PM

    @Ahmed Shah:
    This will affect the ties between two countries and affect your economy very badly.

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  • Hindustani
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:41PM

    If India wants to attack Pakistan by destroying the non-state actor camps is by using “Drones” like America inside Pakistan.

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  • Arthur
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:42PM

    @Ahmed Shah:

    People like you are the reason why Pakistan is staring at complete annihilation.

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  • SLDUA (Noida)
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:43PM

    Pakistan is enslaved by its own army whereas India is a free democracy. Machinery of Democracy grinds slowly but grinds very finely. That is how it did in 1971.

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  • Arthur
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:43PM

    @Adnan:

    Do you mean aggressive in the way Pakistani soldiers get blown up by militants everyday?

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  • Ravi
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:44PM

    Hi I.Kash, Lasttime when India gave a reply in 1971 look what happened to Pakistan ? Even during Kargil which was’t full blown war, your primr minister has to run to Washington to arrange truce.

    The reason India donot go behond blaming game is simple; War has devastating effect on the economy whether you loose or win it. And we donot want to Indian economy to go backwards. I know you guys not worried since you have no econimy to speak of.

    Your military donot have balls to come and take kashmir but create mischiefs with help from terrorist groups which u call jihadis. And on top of that talk as if you are superior. Its not your fault. The fault is with your education system which modified every historical facts to favour nation.

    We gave you MFN status, allow your cricketers/Hockey players to come and play in India and in every opertunity invite your artists to come and show their talent. And what do you give in response ? Your hatred…

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  • Indian
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:48PM

    My dear Pakistani friends, please put your own house in order first.
    These type of savage behavior is not going to help anyone.
    Tomorrow it could be you via your militant brothers you have nourished..

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  • Khan of Cape Town
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:48PM

    @KH: Maula Jatt.

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  • o2
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:49PM

    @Gratgy:
    stop living in 1971 lol. Reality-India failed to take back Azad Kashmir since 1947, East Pakistan was always vulnerable as it was 1000′s of miles away from West Pakistan. We got Azad Kashmir & India has not able to capture even 1m of our land in 65 years, even Bangladesh is free. so before you talk have get hold of reality about so called great India.

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  • Ravi
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:52PM

    @I.kash:

    India donot get into war situation for different reason than you think. War affects economy for the winner or the loser. Do’t go and pamper your selves becaus you have nuclear weapons. As you saw in Kargil we do’t care if you ahve them, we still come and hit you. Lasttime you had USA to come to your resuce and arrange truce. This time they will not be there.

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  • SLDUA (Noida)
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:53PM

    @KH:
    Video of operation ‘Geronimo’.

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  • Scared
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:56PM

    I wonder where Pakistan is going to find the money to fight a prolong war. Its financial resources are running on fumes. Seems it is asking for a death wish. Just look at the past wars it has started and lost badly.

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  • Scared
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:57PM

    I wonder where Pakistan is going to find the money to fight a prolong war. Its financial resources are running on fumes. Seems it is asking for a death wish. Just look at the past wars it has started and lost badly.

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  • MC
    Jan 14, 2013 - 1:59PM

    There was a time not long ago when I’d say a vast majority of Indians were in fact for peace with the Pakistanis. Now most are simply sickened by what is perhaps a better knowledge of the mindset of our neighbours. It is not only the fact that scores of incidents like Mumbai and this beheading have happened. But also by our astonishment at the general reaction of the Pakistani public to this type of behaviour. There’s gloating, conspiracy theories, and even more jingoism. Its harder and harder now to accept that its just ‘sections of the population’ or random militant groups that are barbaric.

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  • MC
    Jan 14, 2013 - 2:00PM

    @Positive Pakistani:
    Maybe because you dont really need ‘words from across the border’ to be rabid fundamentalists.

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  • SLDUA (Noida)
    Jan 14, 2013 - 2:07PM

    @Clear Black Bag:
    You say and I agree that Pakistan army is stronger than it was in 1965 and 1971. BUT the same is true for Indian army. I am not for war but some times, war happens even if we don’t want it. Indians are not outwardly aggressive, so, many a times, I repeat, for many a times Pakistan has miscalculated our response on the basis of our civilised reactions. I leave details to you to work out.

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  • Ghaznavi
    Jan 14, 2013 - 2:07PM

    @ Indians

    Indian Armed Forces (army, navy, airforce, paramilitary and BSF) strength is 3 Million
    Indian Police strength is 1.5 Million

    If 4.5 million security people could not stop 10 attackers in Mumbai, how will you defend india??

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  • Paki
    Jan 14, 2013 - 2:08PM

    Instead of bashing each other, both countries should negotiate and try to calm the situation. There is nothing good in this for both countries. Our region is the poorest and most populous and going into war or tension won’t help at all.

    Maybe both the Governments want to take away the attentions of public from their poor governance…

    Peace out :)

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  • brrr
    Jan 14, 2013 - 2:16PM

    @Adnan:
    you cannot do anything, or your options are limited. stop overestimating yourself.Recommend

  • FP
    Jan 14, 2013 - 2:19PM

    @Alex:
    You are wrong, The name of movie is “1965 – Coward Indian Army”

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  • Pakistani
    Jan 14, 2013 - 2:21PM

    This is very very unfortunate that the relationship between India and Pakistan are so fragile that any single event can turn in upside down. After a long and slow process of confidence building measures the two governments were reaching a relationship based on peace, trust and mutual respect, however, once again the top brass of armed forces ignited this new string of rhetoric and the poor people are ready to sleep hungry but ready to buy more toys for their armed forces.

    We have to look at Europe, which realized after killing 50M people in two world wars that war, hatred and animosity would bring more ware, hatred and animosity. The only way to progress, feed the hungry population, build new resources, allow better health and job opportunities is to live with your neighbours with peace and respect.

    Pakistan is going through a perilous period of history due to our fake ego, flawed foreign policy and distorted history. Its high time to invest our resources in doing some thing better in life and not preparing for another war. Same is my advise to all Indians who are doing well at this point but all that can be consumed in no time if you change your focus from peace to wars.

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  • Maddy Khan
    Jan 14, 2013 - 2:22PM

    No matter what happens at the border, citizenz on both sides should not stop peace efforts and must keep the love of humanity alive. We should pressurize on our armies to stop showing aggressivness and do somethig productive for the nation as a whole like building bridges, roads, schools, hospitals with such manpower rather just buying out lethal weapons from THEM!!

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  • Asimov
    Jan 14, 2013 - 2:26PM

    Let’s keep the head

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  • es kumar
    Jan 14, 2013 - 2:36PM

    @Ghaznavi: Read history books… You will find out India defeated pakistan in 3 wars.
    Don’t compare mumbai 26/11 to war situation. Try one more Mumbai and you will know india’s strength.

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  • Yoghurt lover
    Jan 14, 2013 - 2:37PM

    @Ghaznavi who writes “If 4.5 million security people could not stop 10 attackers in Mumbai, how will you defend india??”

    You are a genius aren’t you? What is your IQ by the way?

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  • Hari
    Jan 14, 2013 - 2:38PM

    @Ahmed Shah: That’s what the Taliban is doing with Pak army

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  • Rathore
    Jan 14, 2013 - 2:42PM

    “End times” is coming for Hafeez Saeed likes.

    Send me to LoC now.

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  • Srikant
    Jan 14, 2013 - 2:43PM

    Well said Ravi. Pakistan unfortunately never understands reality and always in denial for all the atrocities they create in India. Even after 60 yrs of Independence they area still a failed state.
    There Image was already teared before the International Community after OSAMA was found in Pakistan killed by American forces who had the guts to venture and do it.Poor pakistani Establishment was a Mute spectator to the whole happening. In spite of all these ,they were in denial. It is not surprising about their denial for LOC happenings now also. No doubt pakistan’s
    military capability compared to 1971 may be very different today but it does not mean for pakistan to underestimate our growth in 40 years .. If they do that’s their biggest mistake.

    A country which was created only for religious fundamentalist cannot understand our country’s
    Magnanimity and the meaning of non violence.

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  • In the name of love
    Jan 14, 2013 - 2:43PM

    i hope indians and pakistanis can rise above issues and strive for peace…there is no doubt that the army who’s been broought up on india centric resentment cant suddenly with a couple of CBM’s can have their mentality changed…it’ll take a while and i hope it happens or else india may have to suffer a lot but paistan wud certainly be wiped out…

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  • Abrar R
    Jan 14, 2013 - 2:47PM

    Its stupid on the bharti generals part I say .. he neds to learn more about Pakistan. Its a nation of warriors with none of the soldiers rusty. Any aggression would be immature from the bhartis. They wont be able to handle the response.

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  • Kamal
    Jan 14, 2013 - 2:50PM

    @Ghaznavi..your knowledge of history is limited..go back to school and learn how India defended itself in past…You have been cut into two parts but still you do’nt know how India defend itself..hats off to your ignorance

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  • Indian
    Jan 14, 2013 - 2:52PM

    @Ghaznavi:

    Accepted, we are weak in strength and lot of corruption inside system but we are more in number.

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  • joy
    Jan 14, 2013 - 2:54PM

    @Ghaznavi…and others who think like him……………………U guys are doomed to live in a blackhole if ur mindset does not change..

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  • Gratgy
    Jan 14, 2013 - 2:58PM

    @Ghaznavi
    If 4.5 million security people could not stop 10 attackers in Mumbai
    Are they still alive??

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  • StopThisBarbarism
    Jan 14, 2013 - 3:00PM

    I was shocked to learn of a soldier getting beheaded. It is disturbing. You can kill the enemy that is the job of a soldier but to kill in such an evil, barbaric and inhuman manner is what is so disturbing. I deeply condemn this act.

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  • foosh
    Jan 14, 2013 - 3:16PM

    War is never the answer. Whoever did what they did, what happened, who caused is interesting but because of few precious life’s lost, we are talking aobut potentially killing millions. Talking of war makes each side sound tough but when people of both countries are poor and fight everyday to sustain their family, this is criminal to talk about war. We must understand we are the same people, lived together for centuries and its been only 65 years or so we have been apart. There is no reason why we cannot solve our problems and live in peace.

    Yes Pakistan has problems but so does India. There are extremist on both sides and prefer there is constant problems between us. Why not as ordinary citizens of both countries we come together and not for once act like sheep. Stand up and say, we will stay the course and work towards peace. Future of both of our generations are at stake. Image peaceful India and Pakistan, what economic power we can become. How much poverty we can eliminate and give opportunities to our people. Please dont think by acting tough we will win. Right now Brits in London are sitting and laughing at us. Think guys (both Indians and Pakistanis).

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  • observer
    Jan 14, 2013 - 3:17PM

    @Hamaad Haider:

    Cutting heads off is signature Taliban. I doubt army men taught to fight professionally go around cutting heads off for kicks.

    This should clarify the issue for you

    Upon his return Kashmiri continued to conduct operations against India, once reportedly being rewarded personally with Rs 1 lakh (about US$1,164.24) by then Army Chief General Pervez Musharraf for presenting the decapitated head of an Indian army soldier to him.Pictures of Kashmiri with the head of the soldier in his hands were published in some Pakistani newspapers.

    FYI, Ilyas Kashmiri was a member of the SSG and Gen Musharaff was the COAS of Pakistan Army.

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  • Aamir Khan
    Jan 14, 2013 - 3:20PM

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  • Jan 14, 2013 - 3:22PM

    i dont know what some pakistani trollers said or not said but what Indian army said they said and they mean it ,it is upto pakistan to decide what they are going to do or not do,Indian army has made it categorically very clear and world knows what may happen to pakistan if Indian army retaliates.Recommend

  • pranabesh sen
    Jan 14, 2013 - 3:24PM

    *the person who knows the politics are in power in pakisthan now.they wanted to delay the election.
    Don’t. U dare India in the name of nuclear war because India was the master of nuclear power before even pakisthan was born
    Ur country is now totally bankrupt and U guys will be paying interest for the the whole two generations.
    aggression is good
    for the right cause,for wrong cause its stupidity.
    India had bitten pakisthan before and it can do it again
    Pakisthan kept bin laden alive and America shove ur moral into ur pie holes.
    Ur country is nothing but creating problems in the world.
    Everybody knows it and whole world knows it. *

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  • Jan 14, 2013 - 3:30PM

    @Clear Black Bag:
    this jackle threat has broken your country in 1971 why are u forgetting that,as a pakistani it is good you support your army but as a pakistani u should verify yours army’s capability too and when you says those who always live in the past and always discuss on the past related issues always make the biggest ever committed mistakes in their lives then i can advice you leave alone them who make mistake of not thats none of your business focus on capabilities based on facts and your army is thumps down.Recommend

  • Enlightened
    Jan 14, 2013 - 3:30PM

    I want to ask my Pakistani friends one simple question- What should India do when Pakistan despite several commitments to India continues sending militants across its borders ?

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  • Prakash
    Jan 14, 2013 - 3:34PM

    @Ghaznavi:
    If 4.5 million security people could not stop 10 attackers in Mumbai, how will you defend india??
    The efficiency of a security apparatus is not in stopping all attacks, but in reacting when an attack occurs and in preventing further attacks. Kind of like the health of a person is not in never falling sick, but in recovering quickly.
    The Indian security apparatus may not have stopped those 10 attackers, but it has definitely stopped the 100′s waiting after them.
    There are terrorist attacks taking place in Pakistan on daily basis. Karachi is in a mess. Is Pakistan’s security apparatus able to make any deterrence to a terrorist or a hired killer? Can it even dream of taking on India?

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  • Milestogo
    Jan 14, 2013 - 3:46PM

    Beheading is used in Saudi Arabia even today.

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  • mudassar
    Jan 14, 2013 - 3:48PM

    @Ravi:
    You talk of balls with the army, then why India is building it army it is almost double then us but you no that in our case the numbers are always gone against us.
    In 1965 India attacked with 600 tanks, the biggest tank war after world war II, the army could not cross Lahore, but you do not remember that you only remember 1971, when you present fact please present full details.
    Remember nor numbers nor weapons decide the end of war it is always dependent on the circumstances. I my self do not want war but India and people of India to discuss the matters on basis of equality.
    you talk MFN status given by India to Pakistan then go check that how much trade restriction created by Indian government against Pakistan exportable goods.
    If you are allowing the players to play in India see the amount of business given by our players to your country and companies.

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  • observer
    Jan 14, 2013 - 3:55PM

    @Ghaznavi:

    Let me see,

    The same way you defended

    A. Salala

    B. Quetta

    C. Mingora

    D. 21 Levies abducted near Peshawar.

    E. 12 Soldiers abducted and beheaded by the Taliban

    Indians have so much to learn from you.

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  • unbeliever
    Jan 14, 2013 - 3:58PM

    @FP:
    So you still think that you defended your country in 1965.
    Good for you.

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  • unbeliever
    Jan 14, 2013 - 4:05PM

    @o2:
    Update your knowledge of history.
    The kargil and dras sector were also a part of PoK
    Before the 1971 war. After the war india did return you areas around.punjab,
    But not.of PoK.
    So, your claim falls flat there.

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  • Indian Wisdom
    Jan 14, 2013 - 4:18PM

    @o2:
    “East Pakistan was always vulnerable as it was 1000′s of miles away”

    Even Baluchistan is 1000′s of miles away, however here the distance is not physical but mental…………………………….

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  • GrimmJow
    Jan 14, 2013 - 4:32PM

    @All – I’m really sick on reading some of the comments here. The very first comment is in such a bad taste. Forget about countries, religions, we’re humans first. Can’t really fathom how can one even think on those lines.

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  • shocked (former) pakistani
    Jan 14, 2013 - 4:32PM

    Lets face it- Indian and Pakistani armies have fought four wars and their soldiers are always going to be enemies. These unfortunate events will occur. The people (masses) of both countries should not be inflamed by these incidents. Maturity needs to be shown by the common people and the politicians on both sides. The armies also have to resolve their hard core enmity against each other.

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  • o2
    Jan 14, 2013 - 4:33PM

    @unbeliever: fact remains- not even 1m of land did your army captured lol whereas we have Azad Kashmir & soon rest of the Kashmir will be free from Indian atrocity too ;)
    @Indian Wisdom: Baluchistan will remain intact, there is no void & things will begin to improve now since the Govt was inept & has been removed. Your wisdom is needed more for your own country where maoists are pounding your army/police harder day by day, save your India instead of wasting your time on Pakistani news websites :)

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  • asim
    Jan 14, 2013 - 4:38PM

    Both nations must learn from history No one can ever win they need to win the heart of their masses

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  • Rana
    Jan 14, 2013 - 4:43PM

    We have already been into a state of war from last 12 years (specifically) with a combination of enemies which are far more powerfully equipped with latest weaponry than our lone sick n terrified neighbor. They have applied all of their weapons i.e a sea-full of arsenal, trillions of dollars, drones, suicide squids, global isolation and used all means to destroy us economically, geographically and stamped us as a failed state. Despite of all these odds, we still continue to survive and are amazingly 7 times junior to India according to global hunger index.

    Americans are forced to leave the region after receiving the historical humiliating defeat at Afghanistan leaving their adoptive child insecure, which is now suffering from over-frightened syndrome.

    We need not to deploy hundreds of thousands of troops along Indian border and loc, just a dozen of missiles fitted with nuclear war head are enough to keep coward enemy at bay. We definitely have lesser to lose if forced into war!! War hysteria is never appreciable; however, we are ready to counter any kind of preemptive nonsense.
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  • skoopy
    Jan 14, 2013 - 5:11PM

    Indian trolls everywhere

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  • Indian
    Jan 14, 2013 - 5:17PM

    @Alex:

    Also, Kargil: The Surrender

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  • Indian
    Jan 14, 2013 - 5:19PM

    @Clear Black Bag:

    Then why surrendered so soon at Kargil…………the whole world know what happened at Kargil and how the Pakistan’s history was changed post Kargil………..

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  • unbeliever
    Jan 14, 2013 - 5:21PM

    @mudassar:
    You very well know why india has to maintain a larger army: it’s having neighbour’s on both sides who had gone on a full-fledged war with it.
    So, it is forced to do so.
    Btw, that stuff about crossing lahore was cooked so that the pressure on kashmir front can be released. And, india was successful.
    I am in no awe of indian army. They like any other 3rd world country army
    Are not at all ready to go on a war. And this perhaps will be the innermost wish of hundreds of millions of.poor indians, who will subsequently find their life even more miserable after a war.

    In breif, I want that we should exercise restraint on both sides.
    We are well-off, we would be able to eat even after the war.
    But Ican’t say the same about war-widows and poors on both sides.

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  • murali
    Jan 14, 2013 - 5:24PM

    @Paki:

    Even if our security team is unable to seal such inhuman acts covertly commited your strong non state actors, their whole hearted efforts are being valued.

    But what about your case?

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  • Gautam
    Jan 14, 2013 - 5:31PM

    @Ghaznavi:
    I believe pak army must be over a million and police force must be also around the same strength, can you count how many blasts had happened in pak?? Till yesterday 115 people died in your country, how much your army and police could save?? You bost your army like god, now you know how much capable are they!!!!! Regarding india our police saved manier conspiracy everyday from pak and we are one of the hottestet destination for investment across the globe…now you can understand how much capable our police and army is!!!!

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  • Feroz
    Jan 14, 2013 - 6:09PM

    The situation could change decisively from hereon. Whatever may be the views of the people or Government decapitation of a soldiers body is not something a professional Army can take lying down. Sadly this is not the first time soldiers have behaved like barbarians. They will react at a time and place of their choosing, without any permission from their political masters.

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  • Karim Javed
    Jan 14, 2013 - 6:33PM

    @KH: He has surely watched movie “Border” in which Sunny Deol stands again after hit by a RPG :D

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  • Karim Javed
    Jan 14, 2013 - 6:35PM

    @Gautam: And conspiracies we are facing I pray that no country should have to face them other wise they can’t be on this globe more than 2 years :)

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  • Hamid
    Jan 14, 2013 - 6:44PM

    Pakistan dis integration in 2015 fixed by US india europe iran just wait and watch Raw agentRecommend

  • Jan 14, 2013 - 6:49PM

    Oh and what if Pakistan shows an aggressive response then what?

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  • observer
    Jan 14, 2013 - 7:26PM

    @skoopy:

    Indian trolls everywhere

    Sir Jee,

    The news is about COAS of India, making a statement in India, to Indian journalists.

    Trolling-Anyone?

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  • From USA
    Jan 14, 2013 - 7:27PM

    I think India should keep that in mind that nation get united when India try to mess up with PAK.

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  • jagjit sidhoo.
    Jan 14, 2013 - 7:35PM

    @Paki: Ditto

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  • abhi
    Jan 14, 2013 - 7:39PM

    @o2
    So you accept that siachen was never a pakistani controlled teriroty. At least one issue is solved now.

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  • unbeliever
    Jan 14, 2013 - 7:58PM

    @o2:
    Well you seem to have some problem with reading comprehension.
    Let me say it again that kargil and drass were snatched from you in 1971.
    And that’s some 1000 km sq.

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  • Arthur
    Jan 14, 2013 - 8:06PM

    @From USA:

    Says the man who ran off to America at the first possible opportunity.

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  • 1984
    Jan 14, 2013 - 8:55PM

    @Ghaznavi:
    If 4.5 million security people could not stop 10 attackers in Mumbai, how will you defend india??

    Launching a surprise attack at unarmed and untrained civilians and killing them in cold blood….
    and You’re Proud of that???

    Looks like bravery has a different meaning in your dictionary

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  • Wellwisher
    Jan 14, 2013 - 9:06PM

    @Paki:
    What do you think about 1,00,000 Pakistan Army men surrendering to Indian Army in 1971?

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  • Adnan
    Jan 14, 2013 - 9:29PM

    @Sidd(India):
    This is also been fueled by your agencies with other non state actors, so don’t worry Pakistan has the guts and is doing. But come out of the dream of attacking Pakistan.

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  • balram vishwakarma
    Jan 14, 2013 - 9:30PM

    @FP:
    aah, i saw that movie!!!!! we call it “innocence of muslims”…

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  • Vikas
    Jan 14, 2013 - 10:02PM

    @o2:
    Dear, you are wrong. We captured 800 sq mile in 1965 which was not returned back and Kargil came to us in 1971. Google it and you will find it.

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  • Indian Wisdom
    Jan 14, 2013 - 10:18PM

    @o2:
    “Your wisdom is needed more for your own country where maoists are pounding your army/police harder day by day, save your India “

    Funny, this is exactly and precisely what I am doing right now, working for development of tribal(s) in Naxal (maoists) affected aregions of India, and am associated with an UN agency to contribute towards the development of my beloved country!!!
    But this can not stop someone from giving moral support for some justified cause….

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  • gp65 .
    Jan 14, 2013 - 10:24PM

    @Parvez: “If a ‘ war situation ‘ is created would it be grounds for postponing the elections ???”

    No war situation is being created. The words of Indian COAS are very clear “If provoked”, they should take an aggressive stand. He has also said that this was a tactical issue and will be handled tactically.

    The purpose of tis speech is to compensate for the lack of response from our political class. Pakistani leadership is under the mistaken impression that the nuclear umbrella has given them a license to needle India and there will be no response. As a responsible nuclear power they know that India will not threaten the use of nuclear arms as Pakistani leadership routinely does.

    But it seems people have forgotten that Kargill happened after 1998 and Pakistan had to declare unilateral ceasefire and run.

    India has never started a war and never will. But she will defend herself and will not allow itself to be bullied just because our PM is keen to visit his birthplace and wants peace at any cost.

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  • ziphyr
    Jan 14, 2013 - 10:36PM

    @Clear Black Bag:
    So it is better than it was in Kargil????

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  • janaan
    Jan 14, 2013 - 11:53PM

    are you sure we pak army did it. thats indian line, not pakistan stance@BruteForce:

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  • gp65 .
    Jan 15, 2013 - 12:35AM

    @mudassar: You have been taught false history about 1965. India did not start the war, Pakistan did. Even your own Air Chief (retired) Asghar Khan admits that. Pakistan did not win 1965 there was a UN brokered ceasefire. At the time of ceasefire, India controlled far greater Pakistani territory than reverse even though Pakistan had an advantage since it started the war. In any case, Pakistan’s objective of starting the war (of getting Kashmir) was not met and India’s objective (of defending its terrirtory) was met and thus it is India that won the war. There is a 3rd war and much more recent that you seem to forget. Kargill. Pakistan attacked but had to run to US and eventually declared unilateral ceasefire. Vajpayee refused the ceasefire and said that war would not stop until every inch of Indian land was cleared of Pakistani soldiers.

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  • gp65 .
    Jan 15, 2013 - 12:42AM

    @Feroz: “decapitation of a soldiers body is not something a professional Army can take lying down.”

    True statement if you are referring to the Indian army, not true for all armies – that is why they are surprised ta the anger this incident has provoked

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  • Babloo
    Jan 15, 2013 - 12:54AM

    The consequences of aggressive Indian action would be same as they were when the last time India acted aggressively. 1971.

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  • sabi
    Jan 15, 2013 - 3:01AM

    If the news of beheading by Pakistanin soldiers is true then it shows taliban have penetrated in Pakistani army.Tension can be defused by conducting enquiry by Pakistan army and if news turn out to be true then there is no harm in saying apology.If Pakistan army wants to keep its immage of a professional army then it must do every effort to keep its good immage of a responsible army.Regular army vs regular army have some set rule to follow and Pakistan army is expected to follow rules of engagements.

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  • Asma
    Jan 15, 2013 - 3:59AM

    @Alex:
    Keep living in past and keep on day dreaming just like your army, (so called) Mr.Alex!

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  • mohd
    Jan 15, 2013 - 7:28AM

    Nobody need war we indian only need that our government should stop contact with pakistan, ban any pak national on indian soil any one for actors,medical patient cricket teams stop visa to pakistanis .tum tumhara mulk main khush raha hum hamare mulk main khush rahe

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  • Khan Baba
    Jan 15, 2013 - 8:20AM

    @observer: Indians have so much to learn from you.

    Yah I Know what Indian army learned. It learned really good lesson from Chinese in 1962. China and India were same size countries. Saw what happened? A Humiliating defeat for the Hindu regime and after which Hindu regime never even thought of going near the Chinese Borders. I agree with you, That’s what the Hindu Regime then learned. Thats a good learning.

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  • Ganesh
    Jan 15, 2013 - 9:58AM

    @Ahmed Shah: We must behead more and try to attack more posts

    Do it and better attack India with your army and airforce….hahaha!Remember you are very martial than poor Indian soldiers!!!!!!!

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  • Cosmo
    Jan 15, 2013 - 10:08AM

    @Clear Black Bag:
    What a load of garbage all that!!

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  • observer
    Jan 15, 2013 - 10:31AM

    @Khan Baba:

    China and India were same size countries

    Same Size????

    For your kind information the area of China is 9.60 million sq kms, for India it is 3.29 million sq kms. In 1950 Chinese population stood at 563 million and Indian population was 350 million.

    But then facts are not your strong suit.

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  • Feroz
    Jan 15, 2013 - 10:39AM

    @Khan Baba:
    Communal individuals like you have brought infamy not only to your country but also tarnished Islam in every way possible. Are you able to see the direction in which you have taken the country or do need binoculars for it ? Yes as per your definition India has Hindu regime, like the US has Christian regime, Sri Lanka a Buddhist regime and China an atheist regime. Thank you now we can see the picture clearly, not sure whether you can though.

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  • Jan 15, 2013 - 10:43AM

    @janaan:

    So like all conspiracy theories, like 9/11 and 26/11, we Indians cut the head of our soldiers just to make the poor Pakistanis look bad?

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  • Clear Black Bag
    Jan 15, 2013 - 11:48AM

    @Vectra:
    Then why don’t you come before Pakistan army openly and never forget it that your foreign minister Salman Khursheed strongly reacted on Indian army’s chief this statement “NEW DELHI: The Indian army’s chief of staff on Monday ordered his commanders to give an “aggressive” response to any firing by Pakistani forces along the de facto border in disputed Kashmir.” and said yesterday that we shall have to be pay the heavy price and we don’t want to effect peace process with Pakistan.In other words or indirectly these Indian FM’s words are slap on the Indian army chief’s face.First make understandings and unity between Indian military and civil leadership and then talk to Pakistan….

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  • Ghaznavi
    Jan 15, 2013 - 12:59PM

    @ Indians

    Its really funny. All these Indian trolls do is try to drag us Pakistanis down to their miserable and pathetic level and then beat us with experience. As all you people say, Pakistan is a ‘failed state’ so when you compare India with us, that means you feel that India is also a failed state.

    If you Indians had some guts as your extra long tongues, you would be walking the talk, and not only talking the talk. We have listened to your hollow threats for long. You can not even take and inch of Pakistan territory. So keep barking while we laugh at you.

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  • jagjit sidhoo.
    Jan 15, 2013 - 1:58PM

    @Ghaznavi:”You can not even take and inch of Pakistan territory”, remember there was a place called East Pakistan it was more than a few inches .

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  • Enlightened
    Jan 15, 2013 - 10:45PM

    @Ghaznavi:
    Let me make very clear to you my friend that India is not interested in taking an inch of Pakistan territory and have never crossed the LoC or IB for the past six decades but during the same period Pakistan in 1965, 1999 ie Kargil crossed the same and committed aggression. Pakistan during the past four decades have been sending militants across the LoC however India never reciprocated the same but still offered a hand of friendship to its neighbour. . India had so far patiently borne all of above and refrained from taking any hard measures which was taken as our weakness. Time has come to put an end to cross-border terrorism and teach Pakistan a good lesson.

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  • Clear Black Bag
    Jan 16, 2013 - 10:07AM

    @Enlightened:
    Pakistan also has been patiently showing patience and tolerance on Indian army’s aggression and LoC’s violation and yes you are absolutely rightful because the exact and accurate time has come to stop cross-border terrorism by teaching the august lessons to Indian army troops in any means and manifestations because India and Indian forces are not the angels and also don’t have angelic feelings about/for Pakistan and never forget it that LoC is never an International Border (I.B)….

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