Shia killing: TTP claims responsibility for Mansehra attack

Published: August 16, 2012

Passengers were forcefully disembarked, told to produce NICs and gunned down. PHOTO: FILE.

PESHAWAR / DI KHAN: The Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) claimed responsibility of pulling 20 Shia from a bus and killing them at point blank range in Mansehra on Thursday.

In a message, TTP Dara Adam Khel/ Khyber Agency spokesman Muhammad Afridi said that the people killed were Shias who are involved in killing Sunnis against the will of Islam. “We will target them in the future,” he said.

Earlier during the day, gunmen pulled 20 Shias from a bus and shot them dead in the third such incident in six months, officials confirmed.

The incident happened in the northwestern district of Mansehra as the bus was travelling between Rawalpindi and Gilgit.

Officials said it was ambushed in the hills of Babusar Top, around 100 miles (160 kilometres) north of Islamabad, although they differed over details of the incident.

“Ten to 12 people wearing army uniform stopped the bus and forced some people off the bus,” said Khalid Omarzai, administration chief in Mansehra.

“After checking their papers, they opened fire and at least 20 people are reported to have been killed. This is initial information and the final toll may go up. They are all Shias,” he said.

Local police official Shafiq Gul told AFP that the gunmen were masked, but said the victims were pulled from three separate vehicles in the district, which neighbours the Swat valley, a former Taliban stronghold.

“They stopped three vehicles, searched them and picked up people in three batches of five, six and nine and shot them dead. They were all Shias,” he said.

Sectarian violence linked to Gilgit, a popular tourist destination for wealthy Pakistanis and expatriates who live in the country, has increased in recent months.

It is the capital of Gilgit-Baltistan and is popular with mountaineers as a gateway to the Karakoram and Himalayan mountain ranges.

On February 28, gunmen in military fatigues hauled 18 Shiite Muslim men off buses travelling from Rawalpindi to Gilgit in the northern district of Kohistan, shooting them dead in cold blood.

On April 3, a Sunni Muslim mob dragged nine Shia Muslims from buses and also shot them dead in the town of Chilas, about 60 miles south of Gilgit.

Human rights groups have heavily criticised Pakistan for failing to crack down on sectarian violence between the country’s majority Sunni and minority Shiite communities that has killed thousands.

Correction: An earlier version of this article had wrongly reported that the passengers were Sunnis. The error is deeply regretted. The reporter’s copy has been replaced with an AFP copy.

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Reader Comments (215)

  • FJ
    Aug 16, 2012 - 2:36PM

    Sunni? Please check again as we hae reports that they were shias!!!

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  • Aug 16, 2012 - 2:37PM

    Correct the facts. They were all shia

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  • MAD
    Aug 16, 2012 - 2:38PM

    SUnnis gunned down. well this is new? so is it both ways now. did this rather large mess just get more complicated?

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  • Awans
    Aug 16, 2012 - 2:41PM

    A civil war like situation is very evident. Saudi Arabia vs Iran’s proxy war will be fought on Pakistani soil and ultimately other minorities will be endangered in this situation as well.The more you will try to make it Islamic republic the more Islamic thekedaars weather in Shia or Sunnis will come forward. I am not a fan of MQM but Altaf bhai said rightly that in future the only way Pakistan can prosper when we will make it “Republic of Pakistan” and nothing else. A secular Pakistan where Religion will be your personal matter and state will not interfere in it and where Religion and State Affairs will not intermingle then this power struggle of Islamic faction will automatically rot away ultimately.Recommend

  • Yasir Mehmood
    Aug 16, 2012 - 2:42PM

    Shame.Recommend

  • ather khan
    Aug 16, 2012 - 2:42PM

    i was just praising the joint effort of four party ulemas to bring peace to the region. no more peace in gb or in pakistan i guess.

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  • Abbas
    Aug 16, 2012 - 2:43PM

    Plz Correct Ur Information They All Shias.
    Chilas: A Bus Traveling 4rm RWP 2 Astore Has Been Targeted With Heavy Firing By SSP. Fatalities May Be Recorded. The Incident Took Babusar. 21 Shia Muslim Martyred

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  • popsaeed
    Aug 16, 2012 - 2:43PM

    i requested to all political parties to be united forget the past
    and work for the peace of the country and try to make harmony between different communityRecommend

  • Arshad Sakhi
    Aug 16, 2012 - 2:46PM

    it is 100 percent Sunni dominated area where the incident took place. how Sunnis have been killed. Reconfirm the news..

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  • Falcon
    Aug 16, 2012 - 2:50PM

    Really sad. It might be a plot to fan sectarian violence in the region again.

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  • Acorn Guts
    Aug 16, 2012 - 2:52PM

    Such a wonderful show of respect for Ramadan and Humanity in the last few days from our pious ‘muslim’ brothers. I salute the two faced bigotry of our clerics who would raise their voices against Burmese infidelity but have so far just turned away from the acts of their own produce.

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  • Ali Ahsan
    Aug 16, 2012 - 2:56PM

    Wrong information by ET?

    All other news, including shiakilling website is saying that the passengers killed were all SHIA

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  • Arafat
    Aug 16, 2012 - 2:57PM

    sunnis or shias?Recommend

  • imran malik
    Aug 16, 2012 - 2:57PM

    Does this news surprise anyone with all the killings which have been happening of shias of late. Recommend

  • san
    Aug 16, 2012 - 2:57PM

    few months back same technique were used by killing up-to 18 shias..

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  • Ali Wali
    Aug 16, 2012 - 2:58PM

    The modus operandi is known Taliban tactic. They are paid to start sectarian massacres.

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  • Jan
    Aug 16, 2012 - 2:59PM

    They were all Shias. The news is wrong.

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  • hussain
    Aug 16, 2012 - 3:01PM

    @Yasir Mehmood:
    its fake news they were not Sunnis, they belong to shia school of thought

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  • Rana Obaid
    Aug 16, 2012 - 3:14PM

    they are shias we strongly about this attack

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  • ahsan
    Aug 16, 2012 - 3:15PM

    and here we go again .. sunni shia riots.

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  • vasan
    Aug 16, 2012 - 3:21PM

    Islam is a religion of peace. Muslims dont kill muslims

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  • Abdullah
    Aug 16, 2012 - 3:36PM

    Shias claiming those who died were Shia and Sunni claiming those were Sunni. I beg to differ, they were human. Extremism on both end, sigh

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  • HoneyBee
    Aug 16, 2012 - 3:39PM

    sunnis or shias
    what’s wrong with you peoples!!! are they not human beings????

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  • entropy
    Aug 16, 2012 - 3:40PM

    BTW, Naran is not ‘near’ Gilgit. Naran is a Punjabi-speaking area of Hazara in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

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  • xxx
    Aug 16, 2012 - 3:40PM

    All the people killed in the incident are Shias not Sunnis, please make the appropriate corrections.Recommend

  • elementary
    Aug 16, 2012 - 3:42PM

    They were neither sunnis nor shias ,they were human beings–plain, innocent human beings.

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  • Syed Ahmed
    Aug 16, 2012 - 3:42PM

    salam

    it isn’t sunnis
    most reports say it is shias

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  • antony
    Aug 16, 2012 - 3:43PM

    shias or sunnis both read the same holy book or different ? .If same then killing another is it religious or the motivation to kill is something else?

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  • Azim
    Aug 16, 2012 - 3:52PM

    Not much of a difference between such people and those who attach the airbase. Both are extremist, and are enemy of Pakistan and Islam. Do not complain in case we see reaction….

    Sad to see the type of people/ human beings that live in a country called Pakistan….Killers…

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  • Ajaz
    Aug 16, 2012 - 3:53PM

    your regret is not required because it doesnt make any difference whether they were Shia or Sunni the mian thing is they are human being.
    I think the land where least muslims are living is Pakistan……..

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  • AZ khan
    Aug 16, 2012 - 3:54PM

    All the systems of keeping law and order have been ravaged .politics and complacency in Civ Administration and Intelligence Agencies has taken our attention away from our basic responsibilities. Whatever is done cannot be undone but it would certainly matter what is the fate inquiries in this regard and what measures are em-placed to avert these incidents in future.
    Simply a great tragedy

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  • Saleem
    Aug 16, 2012 - 3:59PM

    ET get your facts before you publish them if you want to have any credibility and respect. First sunnis now shias! Are you sure?Recommend

  • Ahmad
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:01PM

    I have no words to describe my anger on this senseless killing of innocent people (shia or sunni, does not matter).
    My prayers are for the victims and their families..
    May Allah grant Pakisatanis the wisdom and religious tolerance,.,,

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  • Nahi Maanta
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:04PM

    Why mention the sect in the headline? How about writing

    > 20 people killed by terrorists

    ?

    Is that difficult?Recommend

  • Habib Younus
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:05PM

    shia muslims were killed not sunnis,your news resources are incorrect.

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  • khurshid
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:14PM

    Meanwhile we learn that in the latest PEW survey about half of the pakistanis surveyed do not consider shias to be muslims/proper muslims. (Interestingly only 20% in war ravaged Afghanistan have the same opinion). With such views being common, why are we surprised at this barbarism in our midst? dont we assert that the country was made for muslims? so as we keep defining and re-defining our muslimhood to suit the salafi/saudi doctrines, the lesser space and security there remains for the banished ones. Hindus, christians, ahmadis and now Shias, welcome to the club.

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  • Ali Madad
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:14PM

    ET, You just succumb to pressure…those killed were mostly shias but NOT all Shia. some are sunnis also got killed here. so your regret is not required because it doesnt make any difference whether they were Shia or Sunni the mian thing is they are human being.
    I think the land where least muslims are living is Pakistan……..Recommend

  • nitish
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:17PM

    So here we go.pakistan always complains about human right voilation in J&k but what is happening in pok.Atleast india is successful in maintaining the identity of kashmiris.Looking at gilgit baltistan( which is integral part of india constitutionally ,five seats in parliament r reserved for GB) it seems that they want to cleanse Shia majority.That is the reason ,india will never give J&K to religious fundamentalist group.But we can do nothing as they always preferred pak over india.

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  • Baloch
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:21PM

    This Shia massacre would go unreported in our electronic media, May Allah give their families sabar for the tyranny and pain they must be going through. Recommend

  • Shahab Uddin Ahmed
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:24PM

    The act is barbaric and should be condemned. Pakistan was not created to kill Pakistani’s and fellow Muslims just because they belong to a sect other than theirs. Pakistan was created for the Muslims of the sub-continent where we could preach and worship but today its the other way around Pakistan is becoming amoung the worst counties where no one is allowed to worship weather it be Muslims, Hindu, Christians or who so ever no one is safe here anymore the lives and property all is on stake. I remember Mr. Altaf Hussain the MQM leader was the one who preached to his followers tolerance which bore excellent results in Karachi and we all saw end of sectarianism from Karachi.

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  • Naveed Hunzai
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:25PM

    Well, we must NOT forget that international malicious eyes are on this region so the evil forces are in action here. We must NOT blame Pakistan, Sunni or Shia for any of this. We must all stand united. Pakistan is our home and we must love it and the people living in it.

    regards

    NAVEED HUNZAI

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  • Sunny
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:26PM

    My God !! Please help our country .

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  • Aug 16, 2012 - 4:31PM

    it is important to note that they were shias.

    because some people confuse this shia genocide with sunni-shia or tit-for-tat violence. it is not. it is one sided and focused entirely on shias.

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  • saleem khan
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:35PM

    The terrorists are backed by mafias of madrasa.It is why they do these actions repeatedly in diffrent places.My question is from the transport owners why they do not keep their own security in every bus as well travelling in karwan.The proxy war again is also understandable but the main victim are the shias of GB on many occasions.Since the Govt.has failed to curb the menace the people must make their own way of security arrangement in the jungle Pakistan.Recommend

  • Z.Khan
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:37PM

    @Awans:
    How true your comments are and I fully endorse what Iltaf Hussain said. The only way to save Pakistan to make it Republic of Pakistan.

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  • SYED RIZVI
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:39PM

    you should find out if the mistake was an innocent mistake or was it an intentional move to either to hide or stir something mischievious

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  • The Blogy Civilian
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:40PM

    Its a shame that all of you educated are also using words like SHIA , SUNNIS , where is the word MUSLIMS ………we are doomedRecommend

  • Ali
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:42PM

    It is not extremism on both ends as some would like to call it. It is one sided extremism. Killing of shias!!!

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  • Aug 16, 2012 - 4:42PM

    Dedi Das ??? It should be Gitidas

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  • Atheist
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:46PM

    So much for the Muslim Ummah, when Muslims aren’t even united in one city, one town, one village, one district, one street/neighbourhood even. Everyone in Pakistan has the Zia-ul Haq mindset running in their veins. Theocratic rule has poisoned the mindsets of generations upon generations. If there isn’t a secular change by the Pakistani people for the Pakistani people then I guess we’ll continue to face militancy, intolerance towards minorities and further dictatorships, where there is a complete lack of freedom of speech/expression, the right to choose your leader and unmitigated oppression from one single individual.

    This makes me truly, truly sad that we aren’t the prisoners of a theocratic government, but we are prisoners of our theocratic selves. Intolerance is gestating in every single one of us like a parasite. But people won’t change their minds, they won’t see the harm that this does and yet again, we refuse to speak out and express our anger. Perfect demonstration of the terrorist nation that we’ve become.Recommend

  • jafferyjee
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:48PM

    this is the beginning of civil war and truly Pakistan is at the brink as said by Ahmed Rashid in his latest book

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  • Atheist
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:50PM

    @Naveed Hunzai:

    We must NOT blame Pakistan, Sunni or Shia for any of this.

    OHHHHHH. Of course, let’s blame the people who aren’t responsible. Like the Western forces or the Indian forces that want stability in Pakistan because obviously Pakistan isn’t unstable enough as it is with its own internal violence.

    you are the anti-thesis of what the Pakistan mindset should be. It’s people like you that sit back and ignore that this is happening, point fingers at people who have little or nothing to do with it because you live in this delusionary world that screams ‘we’re perfect’. Which is a blatant lie. Stop lying to yourself.Recommend

  • syra
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:52PM

    The article has been corrected to indicate shias were gunned down but the web link still says Sunnis. Therefore when the article is posted on facebook etc it is posted as 16 sunnis gunned down.

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  • Mard-e-Haq
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:54PM

    @The Blogy Civilian,

    Its a shame that all of you educated are also using words like SHIA , SUNNIS , where is the word MUSLIMS ………we are doomed

    Why don’t you tell that to Sunnis who are subjecting Shia’s to a slow genocide in Pakistan?

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  • Kaspar
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:55PM

    The readers have got it wrong. They are focussed on whether the victims were sunnis or shias. The important thing is that many such senseless massacres have taken place, but the government has failed so far to stop their recurrence. They have failed completely in all fields, including providing security to the common citizen. Yet they think they have a right to another term!
    Senseless killings, on whatever ground, sectarian or ethnic or political, are simply not accepptable. Another issue is whether the law enforcing agencies have succeeded in apprehending and punishing the perpetrators of past such massacres.
    Zardari and Rehman Malik must wake up from their stupor. It is also incumbent on the common people, whether shia or sunni, to stand up and prevent such things happening. One thing, however, should be clear; this is not an equal fight. The vast majority of the people are sunni and the sunnis need to shouilder the responsibility to maintain peace to a greater extent. Shia being in the minority are being killed, alongwith other minorities, just because of their sect/religion. This answers the question of those who object to the mention of the victims’ sect as shias!

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  • Khalid Javaid
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:58PM

    This is sad and should be highly condemned!!! :(

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  • Faheem
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:00PM

    Please update the link as well. Its still showing sunnis
    http://tribune.com.pk/story/422907/sectarian-attack-16-sunnis-gunned-down-near-gilgit/

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  • umer
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:00PM

    @HoneyBee – it does matter what their faith was. It was solely because of that they were killed. Till we do not eradicate the menace the of religious extremism and become secular, this would continue. Many more innocent, people we know, close to us would continue to die today, tomorrow and going forward.

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  • It Is (still) Economy Stupid
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:01PM

    Press release UN: Effective August 14th 2047 name of a country called Pakistan will be changed to Sunnistan.

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  • A Human
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:04PM

    Surprised to see people getting confused between sunnis or shias. They were HUMAN BEINGS for God sake..

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  • FJ
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:06PM

    People who are blaming ET here for mentioning word ‘Shia’ rather than Human beings need to know that these people are being killed for a reason. What if I say why to say ‘Burmese Muslims’ are being killed why dont you say humans are being killed in Burma??? I hope you all get the point . The important issue here is that this is shia genocide which needs to be highlighted and I must praise ET for mentioning the truth the way it needs to be!!!

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  • Jibran
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:12PM

    @Ali Madad:
    @The Blogy Civilian:
    @Nahi Maanta:

    When the people are killed in the name of religion, by the Wahabi sect which claims to belong to the Sunni school of thought, and justifies the genocide of Shias as part of their beliefs, and it handpicks only the Shias from a crowd to execute them, then this must be reported. You can’t fix a problem without realizing.

    These criminals and scourge of God must be eliminated. Unfortunately, their breeding grounds as well as the judges are ruled by their sympathizers.

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  • Jibran
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:14PM

    @It Is (still) Economy Stupid:

    Year 2060: The name of this country change to Wahibistan.
    Year 2080: The country ceases to exist.

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  • Kaspar
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:15PM

    @Awans:
    It is not a civil war. You have contradicted yourself in the very next breath by calling it a proxy war of Iran and Saudi Arabia. If the name Islamic alone were responsible for these atrocities, then there wouldhave been more of such incidents in the countries you mention, but it is not so.
    The problem is much deeper:-confusion in the minds of both rulers and the ruled, and inability to sift right from wrong. Whether a polity is Islamic or secular, if it lacks an ethical foundation, then you will have the kind of violence that you have in this country!! Both the government and the people, esp. those in the majority, must rise up and do their duty in curbing such inhuman activities. Recommend

  • Jibran
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:18PM

    This is genocide!

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  • Ch. Allah Daad
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:22PM

    Shias cannot fight these “Innocents.” Like Hindus who moved to India,, they should move to Iran.

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  • Raza
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:24PM

    Agreed to call them Muslims Only No SHIA No SUNNI, but would you all agree the killers were not Muslims and TTP is a Non-Muslim Terrorist Organisation?

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  • Mumtaz.Rizvi
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:25PM

    as neither government nor security forces are intrested in safe guarding the minorities after hindus now its time for shias (who are not considered muslim by the hardcore wahabi terrorists groups such as LEJ and SSP) to migrate to safer place where they would not get targetted like this. they better seek refugee in either iran or in iraq. leave pakistan for the likes of taliban and lets see who is next after the shia evacutation from pakistan

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  • Marxist
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:26PM

    “Islamic” Republic of Pakistan, zindabad. This is inevitable now.

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  • Gosh
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:26PM

    @Arafat: what difference does it make? Seem no human right exist in Pakistan.

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  • mr. righty rightist
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:26PM

    This would not have happened if Pakistan occupied Kashmir and Gilgit/Baltistan remained a part of India.

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  • abs
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:28PM

    Now let us see, Muslim rights champions “Mullaas” come out protest against this inhuman act OR like always they would sit at home and assume staying hungry in Ramazan will bring them Almighty’s blessings. All this killing of Shias is on people who fund sectarian hatered day in day out. Recommend

  • Waseem
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:29PM

    shame on these thugs who have committed a crime agaist humanity. no mercy but eliminating them is the only solution. no cases, no courts, only ‘disappearance’of these thugs is the only answer.

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  • Aug 16, 2012 - 5:30PM

    Rehman Malik: Ban double savari in the area, ban shia website and youtube. And also blame it on external hand and call it a conspiracy against pakistan.

    That seems to solve the problem everytime.

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  • raza
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:41PM

    @Nahi Maanta:
    because they were sorted. If it was indescriminate then you could possibly call people. Just like it would have been injustice to call killing in burma as just people. What are you trying to hide from anyway? If you don’t raise your voice for justice then they are going to come after you as well, infact they have already started that. These killers are not humans let alone muslims or sunni.

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  • Abdul Waheed
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:43PM

    Very sad. The confrontation of SC with the political government has paralysed the government administrative machinery. Though this sad incident cannot be directly attributed to confrontation of SC yet finger can be pointed to the confrontation perpetuated by Justice Iftikhar.

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  • Muhammad Ali Thole
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:45PM

    once again a complete failure from pakistani government.completely shameless act.i wonder y pakistani government is not serious abt brutels incidents in kkh..its time time to say LABAIK YA HUSSAIN(A.S)….and fight for the right cause..fight for the sake of humanity..Demolish the plans of YAZIDIS..Recommend

  • TightBanian
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:46PM

    How about writing “20 people killed by terrorists” ?
    @Nahi Maanta: That’s because this wasn’t your classic ‘terrorist’ attack. It was sectarian killing.

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  • Fundar
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:48PM

    Does it matter if it were Sunni, Shias,Hindus or whatever
    It Wrong period

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  • Babloo
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:52PM

    What did Shia leader Mr Jinnah do, when Hindus were killed under similar circumstances reducing them from 20% of population to 1-2% ? Hindus and Sikhs made a grater percentage of population of W Pkaitsan, than Shias do today. What was done to Hindus , can now happen to Shias and that would be an irony for Shia Jinnah, whi did nothing to stop the genocide of Hindus in Pakistan.

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  • RA Somairi
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:54PM

    I doubt if this is a war between Shias and Sunnis. It is only a war of Militant Deobandis against Shias. Have we heard of a similar Shia terrorism in last few years? I haven’t.

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  • Siddique
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:54PM

    @Ali:
    Couldn’t agree more with you Ali. To call these barbarians sunni is a disgrace to Ahle-sunnat. We should kick them out of our fold as in the long run they are not going to spare anyone.

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  • StormShadow
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:55PM

    @A Human: It is important to state the fact that they were shia or sunni. If they were killed for just being human beings, then your label HUMAN BEINGS would have been enough, but sadly facts of the matter are otherwise.

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  • kaalchakra
    Aug 16, 2012 - 5:57PM

    Bloggy, what a tragedy of the highest order…We should be shedding tears when Muslims are killed, not shias or sunnis. Now, who would kill Muslims? Clearly, Americans are getting desperate and Israel is looking for an excuse to imlpicate Iran in something or the other.

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  • Awans
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:00PM

    @entropy: Naran is Hindko speaker region in Majority not exactly Punjabi Speakers but some people mistaken the Hindko as Punjabi language as people of Attock, Taxila, Chakwal, Pindi and Potohar speak almost the same language like Hindko and they call it a Punjabi in Potohar and in Hazara the almost same language is known as Hindko and people of Norther Punjab mistaken Hazara Hindko as Punjabi language sometimes because of its similarity.Recommend

  • Logic Europe
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:02PM

    shame and and disgust ,,some human are worse than animals

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  • Syed
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:02PM

    Abdullah, you are insulting all the innocent victims. Extremists are only on one side. Fear Allah and speak the truth only.

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  • Dani
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:04PM

    That’s sad. Sectarian violence will never end in Pakistan now. Thanks to Zia Recommend

  • Mumtaz.Rizvi
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:06PM

    Hello Shaikh Rasheed and Imran Khan do u still call mullah omar ur true ameer-ul-momineen ,if yes then feeling sorry for you . its hight time for shias to leave pakistan and go to some safer place

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  • Sheraz
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:07PM

    Everyone here who is claiming they were neither shia or sunni, they were humans. I beg to differ. They were all Shias and they were killed because they were all Shias. I also want to point out clearly that It was Sunnis who killed them. Unfortunately this is not the first time that has happened in Pakistan. I just read according to the Pew Survey 50% of sunnis in Pakistan consider Shias to be kaafir. Did Prophet Mohammad (pbuh&p) treated Kafirs like this in His time? Is this how his followers follow His Sunnah? Fear Allah everyone and speak the truth even if it hurts

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  • pakwatan
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:13PM

    @A Human: yes, random humans were pulled out of buses, a completely random process by random killers. Time to open your eyes and wake up, ignorance is fueling the fire of genocide against the Shias and god help Pakistan if they decide to hit back.

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  • Enlightened
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:13PM

    @It Is (still) Economy Stupid:
    The amount of killings taking place daily would make it Kabristan.

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  • mohsin
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:13PM

    brutal and inhuman act of terrorism.

    who so ever they were, at least they were humans. Killing the innocent is one of the strongly disliked and fierce acts in Islam. How the killers call themselves Muslims?

    May their souls rest in peace and heaven.

    This is going to be the game played by international powers in Pakistan.

    May Allah give us hidaya. aameen

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  • naveed
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:16PM

    dear fellows

    mentioning of sect is important to make every one realize about a brutal fact and that is there is no sectarian violence in Pakistan between shias and sunnis but a massacre of shia muslims by the extremist faction of sunnis. So our sunni brothers should realize that there are elements in their community who are doing this heinous crime. Can any one quote the same or proportional number of sunni killings in Pakistan, no you can not because there is no killing of sunnis on this scale by shias they were all killed by TTP SSP LeJ etc.

    So don’t term this massacre sectarian violence, when the shia sect is not engaged in killing of sunnis.

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  • imran malik
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:17PM

    I ask my shia brothers to take help from other shias, minorities ,india and iran. We cannot keep quite forever.

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  • Ali
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:19PM

    @syra:
    You can double-click on the title on facebook before posting and change it.

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  • Rifiq Khan, Lahore
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:20PM

    strong textMuslims Killing Muslims!

    Where does it say in the Koran that it is ok to do so?

    Why is it that those bigoted politicians, Mullahs and their supporters will not condemn such atrocities? I guess they speak up and arouse public anger only when a drone mistakenly kills innocent Muslims.

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  • Ashamed of being a muslim
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:23PM

    Ok now that we have killed shias, lets cry over ‘muslims’ being slaughtered in Burma… I dare the Turkish president’s wife to come and cry for this massacre too..

    P.s. I am sunni!

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  • Rana tayyeb
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:24PM

    Chief Justice will take the Suo moto , all Govt heads will condem it and that’t it. This state is Madrasa state. We are living in the same Arab barbaric time (may be worse than that) before Hadhrat Muhammad PBUH, who came here to make them Human and Human being was reach on the heighest reach on HIS time but now in Pakistan they gradually went back. Happy Independece day, Happy Ramdhan and Happy Lailatul Qadar(if these people call themself muslim which they arent then they must read the Quran where stated that in that holy month fight is forbidden). Now these people will attend the Durood Mahfil will cry there and everybody will say, how pious they are.

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  • FJ
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:26PM

    @A Human: Could you please tell the reason why ‘some’ human beings were shot dead and ‘some’ were spared?

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  • Akshay
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:27PM

    Hindus and Sikhs are migrating to India, now Shias and Ahmadis will migrate to Iran and Pakistan will become 100% Sunni Republic.

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  • Abdullah
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:28PM

    Some factor and Actors of Sectarian Violence in Pakistan. It begin After 1979. The Zia who fought For USA in Afghanistan. The USA presence in Afghanistan ,And the Emergence of Fanatic Iranian Govt. Which consider itself the Solo custodian of SHIAS Every where in the world.Recommend

  • Mard-e-Haq
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:28PM

    @ It Is (still) Economy Stupid,

    Press release UN: Effective August 14th 2047 name of a country called Pakistan will be changed to Sunnistan.

    No, it won’t. By 2047, they would declare Ismailis non-Muslims, then Shias, then Sunni Barelvis. The new entity will be called Deobandistan or Talibanistan.

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  • zaheer
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:29PM

    In morning you were reporting Sunnis and now saying Shias why you are mentioning the sect. they were innocent humans it is not enough

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  • ali
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:31PM

    going by this we will loose our diversity……………..hindus and sikhs already gone……….ahmedis going to UK slowly……………hazaras going to Australia…………….

    Mind u diversity is beautiful…………a garden cannot be beautiful with only one flower…………..

    Please i request everyone not to blame this on foreign hand………….we must admit that there is something faulty within us………….Admitting wrong is 1st step in solving it………..

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  • ali
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:35PM

    @Nahi Maanta:
    Why are u afraid to face the truth?????????then we should then also report the same way about rohiya Muslims………hypocraite

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  • vickram
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:37PM

    The day is not far off when all Shia muslims of Pakistan will be on the Wagah border !!

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  • Indian
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:37PM

    Oh! More purification under process……

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  • Tipu
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:40PM

    Tell us when are you going to launch wazirastan like operation i Chilas – otherwise enough is enough.

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  • Aman
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:44PM

    Muslim killing Muslim. Demise of two nation theory.

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  • nomi
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:45PM

    @ Awans

    Do you really believe Pakistan can ever be a republic only?

    The moment one says this, educated Pakistanis in particular converge to label one a traitor. Surprisingly, many of them who say this are themselves living in secular countries.

    The point is it is impossible.

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  • FireCracker
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:46PM

    Wake up people.

    This is not sectarian killing, it’s Shia genocide. It would have been sectarian killings if there were Sunnis being killed in the same manner by Shia terrorists.

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  • Aug 16, 2012 - 6:49PM

    How did the AFP Reporter, “Mansehra administration chief Khalid Omarzai”, or “local police official Shafiq Gul” find out very quickly that all “20″ dead Pakistanis were “Shias”, and not “Sunnis”, Muslims, or Non-Muslims?

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  • Anirudh
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:51PM

    I am from India , its really a sad news. I hope you guys can live in peace and also let other live in peace.Enough of bloodshed and playing double games.

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  • Naseer
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:52PM

    The gunmen were in the military uniforms…

    By looking at the number incidents, no arrest and the bold behavior of the terrorists, I firmly believe that the terrorists have access to not just the military uniforms but a lot more in our armed forces.

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  • Faiz
    Aug 16, 2012 - 6:52PM

    This is another sad incident along with so many happening in our homeland. Just a question for all and the people who report this news.

    Why not we say muslims were killed by these gunmen? Why the emphasis is so much on shia…..why we differentiate all that? We can’t change any thing until we came out of this.

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  • erudite
    Aug 16, 2012 - 7:03PM

    ET did not include my prior comment. May I ask “HONOURABLE CJ” to kindly take suomouto action and file a case in this context… But I know he will not, DUAL POLICIES

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  • Hunzai
    Aug 16, 2012 - 7:08PM

    i totally agree with Atheist,,.. why we not condemn this as humanity we look everything through the glass of faith, and religious perspective which destroy humanity on earth .. please out frm this viscosity of religion and create brotherhood on the basis of humanity ..

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  • Yasir Mehmood
    Aug 16, 2012 - 7:12PM

    @hussain What differnce it makes?. Still sad for the 20 people who cannot make for Eid.

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  • Ali Wali
    Aug 16, 2012 - 7:20PM

    45 million Pakistani Shia can not migrate to Iran, the Evil which is sponsored by desert Snakes needs to be tackled.

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  • Logic Europe
    Aug 16, 2012 - 7:22PM

    Sunnis should leav pakistan and migrate to Saudi Arabia

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  • poleturtle
    Aug 16, 2012 - 7:27PM

    Wow ! Muslims against Muslims in their Holy month and 2 days after their Independence Day. Well done people, keep it up. So much for the Minority Rights, the Human Rights and the Islamic Republic. Recommend

  • Khan's TIGER
    Aug 16, 2012 - 7:27PM

    Anyone who believes on One God and Prophet Muhammad PBUH is his last Prophet is Muslim. We all came into this world as Humans, than religion and identity. May Allah destroy these people killing everyone in the name of God.

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  • bingo
    Aug 16, 2012 - 7:32PM

    @Nahi Maanta… because the people killed were not “people” – they are “Shia People”. I mean, the attackers didn’t kill people at random. They picked out Shias and killed them.. so the title you are reading

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  • Usman Khan
    Aug 16, 2012 - 7:32PM

    How many more lives have to be wasted before something is done. Why are all the so called cleric of Islam silent on these killings? Is there anyone in this God foresaken country who can stand up for Mazlooms of this country? It seems like independence of Pakistan was only for the Zalims. Minorities are threaten, kidnaped, and killed in the open day light politions busy with blam game, law and order busy protecting the rich of the country and there is not a single so called Muslim Scalor who can raise his voice against the injustice against minorites. Religion of Islam which was suppose to be the blessing of Allah for the mankind these psychotic mullahs have turned it into a curse for mankind. Most peaceful and tolerant religion of Islam, from their mouth sounds like the most intolerante and hateful religion of the world. Kill Shia, kill Ahmadi, terrorise Hindus and christians but worry not Jiska koi nahi, uska toh khuda hota hai. If the ppl of Pakistan don’t standup agianst this psychotic minorities injustice and Zulam they are equally responsible…. than its only a matter of time before be-awaaz Lathee of Allah does its job…

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  • Farhan Khan
    Aug 16, 2012 - 7:35PM

    If I ever become a President of Pakistan, I will reverse all the Policies of President Zia. Creation of Bengladesh harmed us less than this loss by the state’s policies of 80′s.

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  • Nasir
    Aug 16, 2012 - 7:37PM

    Horrid and unacceptable, Pakistan must stop the mullahs – may the departed souls rest in peace and may Allah give their families strength
    The only way forward for Pakistan is Love for all and Hatred for None

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  • Aftab Kenneth Wilson
    Aug 16, 2012 - 7:40PM

    Only religion in the world which claims on daily basis that Islam is a Religion of peace. Now please prove it ……..and don’t blame others for your own acts.

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  • citizen
    Aug 16, 2012 - 7:44PM

    Dear CJP sou moto maybe

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  • SAD
    Aug 16, 2012 - 7:52PM

    No respect for others, no respect for human lives….Just hate….true followers of Abu Jahal.Recommend

  • Peace
    Aug 16, 2012 - 7:53PM

    Will India also give visa to Shias? Please…

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  • kokokoo
    Aug 16, 2012 - 7:58PM

    Reporting the shia’s butchered as Sunnis !
    Very irresponsible copy and news editing, Express Tribune !!!!!

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  • Aug 16, 2012 - 8:01PM

    Please dont kill them. send them to India.
    regards

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  • Muhammad
    Aug 16, 2012 - 8:09PM

    What to say i mean thanks to GREAT Zia Ul Haq we will be cutting the crop he planted in late 70′s , still i see no post on social website about killing in Parachinar and Bahrian but yea i do see post muslim killing in Burma. Third incident in 6month . Really feeling down very sad day . We do not need US to invade us we are good enought to kill each other in the name of God or sectarian or ethinic or any other excuse. Enjoy ur day eid is coming who care let Taliban kill everything and believe you me when they done killing shia muslim they start killing others cuz this is in their blood to kill

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  • Jeffmahagaonvi
    Aug 16, 2012 - 8:09PM

    Is it possible to divide the country in two, Sunni Pakistan & Shia Pakistan.
    Love all-Hate none

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  • Hasan
    Aug 16, 2012 - 8:19PM

    Poor reporting by ET. Express Group moving from bad to worse.

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  • Sid
    Aug 16, 2012 - 8:21PM

    A lot of people are crying out, why are they being identified as shia and not Human beings. But it begs to be asked, why then when muslims are killed in riots do you not say “human beings” were killed? Why then is there a great fervor of Islamic brotherhood.

    The fact is you are a bunch of hypocrites, who will keep segregating. First get all the Non Muslims, then the next level, get Shia, Ahmadis (or maybe they will go with the non muslims) then probably further segregation.

    Islam may have been conceived as a religion of peace, it certainly is not an embodiment of a religion of peace, atleast not in the subcontinent.

    Do realize that your own ancestors were probably converted with utter brutality and disdain.

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  • SHG
    Aug 16, 2012 - 8:24PM

    shame on ET for reporting wrong version earlier. the country cannot brave these type of typo errors. though it might be taken as bad intention.

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  • QASIM
    Aug 16, 2012 - 8:26PM

    Very sad.It was ZAB bhutoo a shia leader who introduced faith based treatment of the citizens.

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  • observer
    Aug 16, 2012 - 8:33PM

    @Nahi Maanta

    Why mention the sect in the headline? How about writing
    > 20 people killed by terrorists
    ?
    Is that difficult?

    And how about writing in the Constitution all Pakistanis are equal?

    Is that difficult?

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  • bala
    Aug 16, 2012 - 8:52PM

    Shia Genocide is happening in the name of Sunni Pakistanis, Mullahs and extremist are powerful because common Pakistanis support them. So all Sunni Pakistanis have blood in their hands…every time you see the mirror — remember that!
    I wish GB was with India…this would not have happened!

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  • Mai Tau Maanta
    Aug 16, 2012 - 8:53PM

    I agree with Nahi Maanta. . This is not the time for finger pointing. There is enough blame to go around. Some people have been killed. In Pakistan, what really kills is poverty. Rich of every community are safe. The poor are killed. The rich would not be taking the bus. They would be flying high. So sad Pakistan has not eradicated poverty yet. Let’s focus on that. Other problems will automatically go away.

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  • FC
    Aug 16, 2012 - 9:01PM

    Whatever school of thought they belonged to, its just horrible, plain horrible

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  • Manto
    Aug 16, 2012 - 9:22PM

    The truth is that right from the inception of Pakistan, religious parties, supported by a right-wing, nationalistic establishment, sought to put an extremist ideology at the heart of the new state. Zia was a product of this ethos. When he declared Pakistan to be the laboratory of Islam, he meant it, and began experimenting like a mad scientist in search of the secret of transmuting base metal into gold. We are still suffering from his demented tinkering.

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  • Raj - USA
    Aug 16, 2012 - 9:27PM

    **Many are suggesting that Shia or Sunni should not be mentioned and those killed should be referred as Muslims or Humans. It would be the best if those killed are simply mentioned as KAUFERS. After all is it not what they actually are?

    On another note, Altaf Hussein should seriously think of coming back to Pakistan. He has been issuing sensible statements from London but it appears only his physical presence in Pakistan can change the situation. The Judiciary and Army should work things out with Altaf Hussein and assure him of complete protection in Pakistan. **

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  • razzmazz
    Aug 16, 2012 - 9:28PM

    @Naveed Hunzai:
    yes, blame India-Israel-USA for this…I wonder do you blame these countries even when child cries in Pakistan?

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  • wajih
    Aug 16, 2012 - 9:31PM

    May Allah save us from these savages who kill people and spread bloodshed in the country. They attack people, they attack military installations, they want to create anarchy in the country. It is time to fight the mindset creating such savages.

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  • Indian
    Aug 16, 2012 - 9:34PM

    @Aman:
    Muslim killing Muslim. Demise of two nation theory.
    The demise happened in 1971 dude… This is just cremation underway….

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  • Feroz
    Aug 16, 2012 - 9:35PM

    The Mullah’s have destroyed what was supposed to be paradise and made it Hell on Earth. Now it is time for some strong measures from the people – simply refuse to go to the Mosque. Allah is within everybody and around us. Until the Mullah’s come out categorically and say that every one who claims to believe in Allah and calls himself a Muslim is a Muslim irrespective of which denomination of Islam he follows. Nobody needs to go to the Mosque because the Almighty resides in every home, let this be the beginning of a new dawn. Also let every Muslim renounce the Gun because the Gun is oppressor and Allah is only the protector. Gandhi and Badsha Khan are revered by millions if not billions because they believed that God Almighty is out protector and that violence cannot solve a single human problem. Sadly Gandhi was murdered by a Hindu fanatic even though life long he refused to differentiate people across gender, caste, religion or race and Abdul Gaffar Khan who spent 30 precious years of his life in jail fighting for freedom was not even recognized as a citizen by his country — such is our pathetic human race.

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  • Vikram
    Aug 16, 2012 - 9:37PM

    @Falcon:
    This is how pundits and Sikhs were forced to leave some cities in Kashmir. In one instance LeT terrorists wearing Indian army uniform killed 35 Sikhs before President Clinton’s visit to India. Paki media blamed Indian army for the attack. Attack made other Sikh families to leave the area and aslo caused a temporary divide between Sikhs and Indian army.

    Same type of techniques will be used against Shias and Ahmadis.

    Things could get lot worse after NATO/US troops leave. Lot of Jihadis will need work, prize of suicide bombers may go down. Sunnis may use this opportunity to get rid of Shias and Ahmadis.

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